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On June 01 2010 18:54 flamewheel wrote: I instantly love you because of your profile :3 Sorry Bill, no. Too pro. I thought about posting a link to your profile in my public profile because I'm also a HUGE fan of Yulsic ^^. Yuri in general lolol. | ||
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On June 02 2010 10:45 flamewheel wrote: We're looking at Wednesday, Jun 02 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) to start this game. Tonight clues will be written, and I'll send out role PMs sometime soon. Did it start =o? ^^ | ||
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On June 03 2010 05:04 LunarDestiny wrote: I finally learn: You got to make a excel sheet when playing mafia games or you will be totally lost. low-tech Word ftw. =D. | ||
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On June 03 2010 07:39 Iaaan wrote: I saw this and I was like, How did I miss sign ups? But then I realized it just poped up out of nowhere O:! Have fun guys, remember not to be too polite/forgiving, everyone is a liar and should be treated as such! yea it was in the S&G forum just got moved over. On topic: I have an idea to differentiate between the inactive ppl and the newbies too scared to post. First of all, if you're new, don't be afraid to post. Just give your honest opinion, and things will work out from there. But, if you have no idea what to say, at least post a few times so that the rest of us know you're alive/there. ^^. So on to my idea: everyone should post something at some point during the first day (preferably early). It's relatively long (two days real time right?) so try to get it in by the first real day I guess. But, if you look at past games / games played before, you'll notice that a lot of inactives are targets of lynches. If you're town, and want town to win like you should, don't get lynched because of this! If we lynch you and you flip town, that's a lost opportunity at potentially hitting a mafia (with our random day 1 lynch lolol). So maybe just start off with an introduction of yourselves, and your favorite ice cream flavor, sc unit, SNSD member (keke), or whatever you want. Just make sure you get a post in =] so that we can hit the REAL inactives. ***Of course, if you would like to contribute actual analysis and useful information, that would be greattt :D. Example post: Hey guys, sup, I go by DarthThienAn. Just started playing TL Mafia a couple months ago (flamewheel's last game), but it's been a good place to pass the time and get rid of some boredom ^^. Favorite ice cream: cookies n cream Favorite SC unit: Dark Templar for the obvious reasons (standard build vs terran/protoss lol) Favorite SNSD member: Yuriiii <3. She was my facebook pic / desktop for awhile haha. I also like Seohyun and Jessica  . And for all the Yoona fans out there, Yuri >>> Yoona, especially now with that gross short hair.lol. | ||
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On June 03 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote: Hmm, first thing first. Should we role claim or not... nah, this ain't Ace's game. Roleclaim = easy target for mafia. There's absolutely no reason to roleclaim at this point, unless someone blue is going to get lynched - then they roleclaim, and we just switch to some other random dude. I've never played with mayor/pardoner/bodyguards/clues, but Bodyguards especially should NEVER roleclaim (honestly). If they're about to get lynched... that's a bad situation, but just defend yourselves appropriately. If you claim bodyguard, mafia will target you that night anyway. They can stack kills as well sooo. With 30 people, I feel like there could easily be 2 of every blue role. Which gives town a pretty good shot as long we don't fail hardcore =D. No third party to mess things up either. But yeah, blue roles should only roleclaim if they have a definite read on a mafia member (or two), and think it's worth it. Roleclaiming for no reason = either really stupid or scummy, in my eyes. | ||
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On June 03 2010 09:59 bumatlarge wrote: Lynching inactives can be a double edged, as mafia will refrain from posting in fear of being noticed, but people with townie roles wont take it as seriously, which was a HUGE problem in that 100+ person game with ace as mayor. Oh vey, but i think with only 30 people and month long timespan or so, we'd probably be best off if the clues arent enough to point any fingers. Well, since mafia don't want to help the town, their posts will usually be either really short, or else absolutely random crap, which crap logic. ^^ | ||
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On June 03 2010 09:53 MooCow wrote: Probably more interesting to play with people that are participating in the game rather than kill the people that are participating. E: Never played the game either, first time trying. Don't edit posts! =]. On June 03 2010 11:17 LunarDestiny wrote: Who is going to be the new mayor? No black (mafia) dude please. lol way to be racist =p. I'm Asian though so I don't care. -- Another possible clue: "Making his way down to the city center, he gazed at the buildings as he passed, the shopping mall that had just been built, the school he went to when he was a kid, just farther down the way a series of small stores and restaurants. " I haven't really looked at people's profiles, other than pictures, so I'm not sure if that's relevant or not =D. LOL at Inc being pro at dodging assassinations. +1 to zeks' pulling of clues. | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: Going afk for a while. But I want to leave what might be a clue: Flamewheel, the cute... some people were joking that That was like me and Korynne haha. I guess that could be a clue toward me, but tbh, I think it's just flamewheel embracing his new name. I don't remember if anyone was joking with us. I'm not sure why flamewheel and Qatol both died for no reason though. Why is flamewheel is red? Also, 5 assassinations attempts failed. 1 succeeded --- there are 6 mafia, not much to gather from that. The thrown knife, printer, and speeding car are definitely clues though. | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:27 zeks wrote: Although I've pulled out some clues please don't base your suspicion SOLELY off the clues. From past experiences I know clues from the first day or two aren't reliable when choosing candidates to lynch. It's much safer to have a stack of clues and piecing them together later. I think if we see an inactive who connects with a clue, that would make a much better lynch target than a random inactive =] | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:29 flamewheel wrote: Actually I'm pretty sure I go around TL calling people cute. It's spread into some sort of lulzy meme. Okay now seriously off the night. you're so cute. :3 (I only use that face for you flamewheel. lol) | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:41 MooCow wrote: My bad on the edit I thought it was safe to do before the actual game started. Looking at Zeks suspicions and browsing through the profiles, 3 ppl kinda fits 29_deconduo ( water and an Irish poem that might mean something?!) 7_onihunter ( 5 [five attempts] years swimming yea? i'm sure he knows how to float in a town fountain 4_crate ( I think he's the only one that mentions anything about a car in his profile ) @deconduo - I wish I knew what that poem meant -_-. @oni - pretty good call, a bit of a stretch, but with the kind of clues that are given, it's as fair as anything else. @crate - if you google what's his profile, it's actually about the probability of surprising events, and how we're surprised at things that might be more common than we think. But I'm not sure if the mods would have taken that effort (I personally was like, what's ARW 357?? and found out that way) to google it, so a good call, I think. On June 03 2010 11:38 jiabung wrote: just some random ideas. poison in coffee cup >>> TheGilaBoy (gila monster is the only venomous lizard in the US) burning hot ink >>> YellowInk @Gila - lol. nice job knowing what a gila is XD. @Yellowink - definitely a solid call. On June 03 2010 11:50 3 Lions wrote: I think this points to MooCow, because looking at his profile pic we see + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/8_MooCow.jpg) a picture also associated with the band Disturbed http://www.google.com/images?q=disturbed&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi Not sure though, could be a false lead as this is kinda vague. Wow, really nice catch. On June 03 2010 11:48 Thegilaboy wrote: All of the following ideas are in connection with the drowning in the fountain: LaXerCannon has the quote "just keep swimming" which applies to the drowning in the fountain. TyranoS_Nivek and MooCow both have the same public profile except for the last sentence, and in both of them it mentions treading water for 3 days. May apply to the drowning in the fountain. deconduo has a picture of a boat in his profile; a weaker connection to the drowning than the above mentioned users onihunter has been swimming for 5 years, connects to the drowning LOL at those two having the same thing. We have something like 4 people connected to the fountain - is it possible that flamewheel hinted to multiple mafia with one clue? That'd be prettttty sick. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/14_zeks.jpg (Shikamaru = Naruto character, ninja = throws knives, etc.) http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/18_TyranoS_NiveK.jpg http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/1_TheGilaboy.jpg | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:00 YellowInk wrote: Good evening, everyone. Tapping in for start of game. I see people are already very active about the clues. I've never seen mafia run with clues before, so this should be interesting. As already noted, there was a splash of hot ink and my name is YellowInk. Let me assure you all that I'm definitely pro town. Of course this only bears the weight of my word at this moment, but it should become clear in the coming days. I don't begrudge anyone for having me on their starting lists as potential red. I see that detectives can determine if clue X points at player Y an unlimited number of times, so a DT could check that if it becomes necessary in the future. Since I'm quite sure that this hot ink doesn't point towards me, such a check cleans me - even better than a role check since the godfather role masks roles. That being said, I'm wary of the application of clues. Use them as evidence. Use them to pressure people into talking. Use them to make a list that you can come back to in the future. They won't prove anything on their own without a DT check though. Lets get to work with the profile digging. Well, the thing about DT checks is that though they are 'unlimited' they are actually limited by time - 1 use per night obviously - so the DT won't get as many checks as you expect. We want to use our DTs wisely. Hopefully, with this setup and this many players, we'll have 2 of each major role though (medic, cop). | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:11 DCLXVI wrote: I suppose this thread may help quite a bit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118395 Understanding everyone's profiles will take a while I see. @ DarthThienAn how do you connect TheGilaBoy to a knife throw? his quotation? pics yo. It's the same for TyranoS's. A bit of a stretch, but I mean, the clues aren't meant to be like "OH A SITH CAME AND KILLED THE CUTEY FLAMEY." lol. + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2010 12:04 zeks wrote: Although flame hasn't said anything I'm pretty sure my assumption that mods pick each of the players roles is correct. In that case I present to you my conjecture: This mafia game was meant to welcome new players to mafia. However, with the large amount of new players, the game runs the risk of having too many inactives (we've had problems like that in the past). If I were a mod I'd definitely make sure I would have a couple proven active vets as mafia just to make sure that 1. Mafia is active and talking to each other 2. Mafia isn't made up of a bunch of complete newbies and end up getting destroyed Anyways the point of this is to take notice of the vets (theres only a couple) and what they do from this point forward. You can bet that one (or a couple of them) are the masterminds behind mafia controlling all the newbies and thats what will make the mafia dangerous. Actually, a lot of mods go random with their roles and setups... I know Ace and Caller did in their past few games. Can't speak for flamewheeel though, never asked. On that note, I think it's likely that a "vet" is mafia, just because of the numbers. We have ~8-10 returning mafia players, so I mean, 6/30 are mafia, pretty good odds that there are vets in the mafia circle. | ||
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What a cool thread! (the name thread) never saw this before lol. Anyone we know in there? (I just posted) | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:18 YellowInk wrote: Have you looked at my profile? There's nothing else in the entire opening flavor even close to linking to me, so if there's a clue pointing my way, it's the hot ink. If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3. Contrast this to anyone else who could run for mayor. There would be no way to even get close to cleaning them. If a mafia ends up winning this election, immune to rolechecks and no way to even try to investigate them, it can be absolutely devastating. Also, the DT can't use rolecheck 3 days in a row, but they can rolecheck consecutive nights. Your misquote of the rules makes me suspicious as to whether this was intentionally misleading or simply an error. I surely hope the real DTs read their roles carefully. I mean, to be fair, all your profile is is you repeating YellowInk over and over. So if the mods were to make a clue, it would be related to... well, YellowInk, not something like swimming or whatever. Until you prove what else the printer explosion could be pointing to, you're definitely suspicious as mafia. Why would we elect you as mayor, if you're suspected to be mafia? ... "If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3." Maybe that's what you want. Trade a mafia for a cop and take the mayor spot/protection away? On June 03 2010 13:23 zeks wrote: They can rolecheck consecutive nights now? I bolded the parts you were talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong. Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer: 1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check") 2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check") 3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check") X can be no larger than one sentence. Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. You may not use more than 2 Role Checks in a row. Clue checks have unlimited uses. My point is that you can turn negative from that clue check with the printer ink, but you can still be positive from another clue check down the road. Role checks are not Clue Checks. So... yeah. 2 role checks consecutively, max. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:29 MooCow wrote: I agree with Onihunter on this one, I too can't see why you would get hung earlier. Was going to say the same thing also at most people have only 1-3 things linking them to the day 1 clues and some of them are a bit of a stretch. So I assume any info the DT's find are told to everyone in this thread about clues etc? I believe only DT's know what they find. They can of course post their findings but that requires a roleclaim. | ||
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To whoever asked the question about Day 1 Lynch - "Mayor You won the election! You have to PM me before the end of Day 1 with the name of the player you would like lynched on Day 1 if you win. You can't choose the Pardoner as the Day 1 lynch victim. Your votes count as three votes instead of one. You cannot be Role Checked by a DT." so no, no votes toward day 1 lynch. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:46 YellowInk wrote: I will match this, of course. :D I have a love of games. You won't see me disappearing either. I have to say that I am glad to see so many people enthusiastic in here. It's good to see a lively start. Sounds good to me. I'm not sure why everyone's railing on your plan. It makes sense to me. I mean, combined with a promise of activity =p. On June 03 2010 13:48 MTF wrote: Haha, back from work to see the thread has already grown by four whole pages! Good to see activity. However, don't run away with the clues just yet, people. It is extremely easy to point the finger at any given person with such a limited pool of information. Go ahead and collect which words/sentences you think are relevant, write them down somewhere you can find them again, and then wait. We aren't going to catch anybody by the clues in Day 1 (supposing there even are any in said post). We need to find consistency over several days, first. Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to say that I am not going to be running for Mayor/Pardoner. I will, however, be watching all of you who choose to do so very closely.  Good luck to all, excepting the Mafia brethren. By the way, + Show Spoiler + ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup Decafchicken is clearly Mafia. Yeah the activity level is great. It might be that we have 30 players in this game, but hey, I'm not complaining. +1 on this post, minus the spoiler. Everyone read it twice. It's a good starting point, especially with directing the day 1 lynch, but we don't want to get TOO carried away. | ||
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On June 03 2010 14:01 YellowInk wrote: If I were red, a smart cop would not make such a 1 for 1 trade. They would build up their circle first. This is also why they might look elsewhere rather than clean me right away. They would probably rolecheck someone night 1, then maybe clue check me on night 2 or 3 and then either pass on the info to their people, or if they found other mafia, roleclaim and name multiple reds in a single blow. Also, if I were red, I would be much more likely to survive longer if I had deflected or otherwise laid low (though not too low - contributing to discussion appropriately). This would keep the mafia KP higher for longer. By putting myself up for mayor I'm much more likely to get investigated by one or more of the DTs in the early game. And since I am pro town, they'll then be able to trust me with all of the knowledge they dig up and we'll be able to plan from there. They won't be able to do this with other mayors - unless they just trust and hope for the best. This is why I make an excellent mayoral candidate. Personally, I think a cop would just straight up role check you, or someone else linked to clues. No reason to "save" your rolechecks, since you might die at any point, unless you have a very strong cluecheck. And I mean, the whole, "if you were red" part proves my point doesn't it o.O. A cop would be forced to out you at some point and in the process out themselves. Mafia WANT the 1 for 1 trade, even if it potentially cuts back their kp, it keeps the rest of the crew alive longer. | ||
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On June 03 2010 14:20 YellowInk wrote: From what I've read of your posting style so far, Darth, I think you're town. However this last post makes me wonder a bit. I just pointed out how if I get elected mayor and I am red, the cop will *not* need to 1 for 1 trade with me as you indicated. The cop will still get probably at least 2 red kills or have an otherwise effective inner circle. I'm not sure what else I can add to the argument, I'd just suggest you give the DT's strategy in such a position a little more thought. No, I understand that. And yeah, that's what a smart cop will do. But at the same time - assuming you are red and become mayor and get clue checked at some point in the first few nights - finding mafia is a shot in the dark for cops. They'd have to wait until they have a second person, or enough innocent names, to roleclaim + trade. That might be too late into the game to work. We also don't want our cops (assuming we have more than 1) double checking you when they could be checking other ppl =[. What I just remembered is that we have medics, which makes this gambit of yours a little more in your favor - but that also requires roleclaiming that we don't want, at least not until we lynch some mafia to cut down their kp a bit. And, I think a lot of us, like me, are EDT time, and will be sleeping, so, don't expect too much when you wake up ^^. | ||
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On June 03 2010 17:52 LunarDestiny wrote: Finished my term project. Now people are running elections... I will give my support to you Darth because you are pretty knowledgeable and was screwed pretty bad last game. I'll admit it was pretty funny. lol. LD <3 I appreciate the support. You're cute. hahaha. On June 03 2010 22:17 zeks wrote: Hi Town, I’m running for office! I’ve played mafia a couple of times on TL, 2 years ago and just getting back into it. I’ve been chosen town for all of the times I’ve played – actually for those who remember I always got medic. I will be extremely active for this game thus I would love to have a “role” and be involved in the major conversations of this game. I acknowledge the fact that people have drawn clues to me – and that my misreading on the DT role makes me somewhat suspicious. I implore you that everything I do is for the greater benefit of the town. PRELIMINARY PLAN: The plan that I have is pretty much a rip-off of plans used in past mafia games. With all the finger-pointing going on already, I want to stress that we shouldn’t look too deep into day 1 clues. It provides us with leads and brings people into the spotlight, but what is happening now is that we’re having animosity and confusion in the town. We need trust. Detectives: Now that I’ve understood that you can use consecutive role checks, I still think you should use them as quickly (or wisely) as possible. In fact, all our DTs should be role checking someone tonight. Assuming we have 2 DTs: Detective #1 (if you’re numbered somewhere between #1 - #15): do a role-check on someone from #1-#15 Detective #2 (if you’re numbered somewhere between #16-#30): do a role-check on someone from #16-#30 If you check a red, awesome! Keep that in your list, and if he posts keep track of his behavior as well. If you check a green/blue, you can make the decision whether to start the inner circle with that person. The reason I say that is the green/blue could be the Miller or the Godfather – assuming 2 millers and 1 Godfather, there is a small chance you could be checking one of them. Again, track that person’s behavior and see if there are any strong clues pointing to them…then you can decide whether to engage that person or not to start the inner circle. Medics: Honestly I don’t have a good plan with them, I’d say protect our best clue analyzers for now until we start verifying everyone. The detectives are the key to winning this game quickly and safely, so we want to make sure they at least use up all their rolechecks – thus they’d have to be alive by night 4 (if I’m not mistaken). Also I previous mentioned that we should have someone compile all the clues / accusations…if someone would love to step up that’d be great. FIRST LYNCH If elected mayor, I will lynch whoever the town sees fit; I know there’s no formal voting for tonight since the mayor gets the lynch call – but I will do a tally myself and everyone can vote for who they think should be lynched tonight. If elected pardoner, I would hope that the new mayor will also do a vote for the first lynch. In that case I promise not to pardon the first lynch. I will also make sure in the future to stop nonsense bandwagons. Well that’s all I have to say for now, I probably missed a couple things and there’s probably a couple flaws in my plan, but I am happy to answer all your questions the best I can. The important thing is more discussion so we can try to close these loopholes and come up with a very good strategy. Millers come back as RED to DTs.. but you are absolutely right about the GF. Up to the DTs whether they take that 1 in 10 or however many risk though. On June 04 2010 00:34 Zyrre wrote: So much to read, I like it bumatlarge's list of potentially implicated mafias looks good, couldnt find any more suspects. So far its zeks, Darth and YellowInk for mayor right? And the voting takes place and the end of day1? Yup. Voting takes place during day 1, and ends at the end of day 1. ^^ On June 04 2010 04:41 sputnik.theory wrote: A question to people with more experience with the whole election dynamic: is it common for mafia to run for office? If so, I'd really like to see more candidates as even if we don't elect a mafia mayor it'd be easy for us to get a scum pardoner and that almost seems worse. I definitely agree with this - I've never played with the mayor+election system so I don't know if it's common but we definitely need more than 3 candidates -_-. On June 04 2010 04:41 LunarDestiny wrote: Also, I oppose the DT linking scheme and I don't encourage Dts to purposing target the same townie to form a link. The reason is dts only get a grand total of 3 rolecheck in the entire game. You are wasting 2 out of the 6 available rolecheck just to form a link between themselves which is not worth it. Also, information sharing has limited usage and it's most important usage is to avoid overlapping in rolechecks in the future (which is you purposing form a link together, you already waste 2 rolecheck) so using 2 role checks to avoid future overlapping in role check is stupid. Then there is overlapping in clue checks. As the game progress on, there would be SO many clues available, and the probability of overlapping in clue check is so small that you don't need to take much consideration out of it. If dts happened to target the same person, then do it. Agreed - From being a DT in the past, it is relatively easy to form a circle as the only DT. There is no reason for the DTs to be linked together - if they are at some point, then great, but there's no reason to orchestrate it. Each of the town circles that they create can be equally effective. Here's my mindset as a DT - check night 1. pro town read + pro town poster = PM, etc. last game, I added a pro-town poster without even checking him, and it went a long way for me and Radfield. BrownBear was (every night) vigilante, so in our circle, we had a DT, half of the game's KP, and a random power (Radfield) every night. Maybe I was just lucky, but to honestly, DTs are very powerful/instrumental in forming town circles. On June 04 2010 04:46 LunarDestiny wrote: Yellow Ink, if you are pro town, then you are doing the absolute wrong thing. You had cause so much confusion which kind of hint you are mafia. If you are pro town, then calm down. For the first election of mayor, I want the mayor to target the inactive but I don't want Yellow Ink since he is acting so suspicious and IF he happens to be a mafia, he would target an pro town inactive. I think the point that a lot of people are making, YellowInk, is that you're talking way too much to seem innocent. I'm not sure I agree with this judgment, since the line is very thin between "too much as mafia" and "too much as town." A lot of people find YellowInk suspicious, but his logic, again, isn't bad. The DT check can happen / be revealed later in the game. On June 04 2010 04:56 Thegilaboy wrote: Holy cow this game is a lot more intensive than I imagined! Exciting none the less though. As it stands, I feel uncomfortable with voting in YellowInk not because of the clue that links to him, but his overeager attitude of getting in office. Just seems a bit off to me right now, only time will tell. Like Lunar said, mayor should take out inactives. But you cast for Darth so quickly, and that seems strange to me. Maybe it's because this is my first time playing mafia and I don't understand all the subtle things going on, but it seems too early on to be casting votes when we haven't heard from everyone, as well as given candidates enough time to say their piece. People haven't really been casting votes, last time I checked =p. It was only LD who's voted (not for himself). On June 04 2010 05:08 YellowInk wrote: LunarDestiny, I'm not looking for a mud slinging contest here. Everyone is suspect. I am. You are. Darth is. Zeks is. Noone is clear. This being said, your contributions to the thread are left wanting. There is some good information, but both here and in your previous posts, I wonder how much you really understand what's going on. To preface, I'm not so suspicious of LunarDestiny as I am of Zeks because his false information appears to be constant misunderstanding of how the game is played rather than supplying information that is inaccurate. This does not make him a good candidate for mayor. This just means he plays a decent game. He could be just as red as the next guy - and since we have no good way to figure out if he is, this is a bad thing. This is also the very platform on which I am running for mayor. You can't run for mayor after being cleaned since the mayoral elections are on day 1. This game would be VERY different if DTs were able to do investigating before the elections. I invite everyone to read through my posts and think about if you would do that if you were mafia aligned and see if it fits. Then read through my posts and think about if you would do that if you were town aligned and see if it fits. The truth should become clear. Using people as your mouthpiece is a strategy to protect the person who is actually speaking. However, I would warn each and every townie here that just because someone is telling you that they are the DT does not mean that they are! Perhaps on day 3 Mafia player A PMs Townie player B and tells them they know player B is townie and found that player C is mafia on night 1. Then when player B speaks up and says player C is mafia, player C gets hung, then player B gets hit by the mafia that night (3KP can still beat 2 medics) so that the mafia is never revealed. This is just one of many examples possible - the point is that using a mouthpiece like this is challenging and unreliable. It's important that people understand the whole story with respect to risks and rewards in these situations. This is all a fine way of thinking about it. I agree with using rolechecks in the early game. I just didn't want people to follow Zeks' advice to necessarily blow through all your rolechecks ASAP. Good mafia players often are active and present intelligent thought in the game as well. It's not the end of the world if you do cover a mafia. I would tend towards protecting those who you tend to believe are town over those who are merely active and intelligent. Use your own judgement - and adding in a bit of a random factor (between various people you are thinking about protecting) can help make it difficult for mafia to predict who medics might protect. Good advice. I encourage research into your role outside this thread as well. Honestly, I have a pro-town read on YellowInk. I agree with him on zeks - "misreading" rules and "poor" logic are exactly the kinds of things that mafia do. They present arguments that sound all fine and dandy, make you think they are pro-town, when they're really just spouting crap. Think before you post guys, so that you don't mislead us >_>. Mafia are already doing that - mafia are always on guard about what they say. The same is true for most blue roles, and the ones most likely to spout nonsense are either reckless townies or conniving mafia. HOWEVER. Yellow, I'm not sure why you disagree with crate's whole medic analysis. It made sense to me. There shouldn't be a situation where a mafia gets hit AND the medic saves the mafia - after all, the vigi should be following what the thread says. And actually, I find that activity doesn't vary with role. I've been about the same amount of active in every game that I've been in except the first one where i was just like "O_O what is going on". If you look at that game, Incognito had the town under his thumb because they were so desperate for leadership. When he turned up as mafia at the end of the game I was just like "... :o" So active =/= town. The reason why I push for lynching inactives early is that, if you won't contribute later, you won't contribute now. Something new (for me) in this game is clues however. I urge you guys, DON'T STOP LOOKING AT CLUES. Don't spend all your time on it, but look at them, and point out a list of suspects. The Mayor should combine that with an inactivity list and lynch an overlap-er. So for whoever is Mayor, clue analysis will help a lot. MAN. this posting makes me happy because you're all active while I'm asleep but it sure is tiring haha. My mayor thing: I'm running because I know I'm town (like all the other candidates "know" they are town I guess haha). My plan for day 1 is simple, I kinda described it above: lynch an inactive linked to clues. In a normal game, it would just be lynch an inactive. But we have clues! :D (forgive me, I've never played with clues before) which means our first lynch doesn't have to be random. Other than that, I just have a general plan of activity and I'd basically be playing as I normally do, analyzing the things I find important. lol. I honestly don't know what more you expect from me. I'd like to add something: I wouldn't mind "stepping down" in favor of YellowInk. A lot of you don't buy his plan, but it makes sense to me. It's just something extra, to be honest, though. The whole clue thing is not the main reason why I like him as mayor. I just get a pro-town read on him, which is why I would support him. Mafia typically don't offer sound advice to the town, simply because they want to confuse the town. He's been doing quite the opposite, and I urge some of you to reconsider. GOTTA GO BE POPULAR NOW GUYS. | ||
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On June 04 2010 09:01 LunarDestiny wrote: People, I made a mafia war excel checklist for you guys. You don't have to use it. But if you are lazy to make one, then you might want to get it. Download Link Sweeet deal =] Is anyone else going to step up and run? I know we have Brown Bear to add to the list, but 1 or 2 more be good. It'd make it a lot easier to either catch the mafia piling all their votes in one spot, or to stop them from doing so. On June 04 2010 06:34 YellowInk wrote: It depends on the vigi and the medic both, honestly. Vig don't always follow the clear path of the thread - and for good reason. If the mafia can predict who the vig is going to hit, the mafia can use this knowledge to their advantage. A couple examples off the top of my head: 1) The given target of the vig could roleclaim DT and out another suspicious mafia, thus garnering themselves credit. 2) Another mafia could whisper in someone's ear roleclaiming DT and saying that the targetted mafia is mafia, thus garnering credit and perhaps gaining a unwitting spokesperson. There are a lot of twists and turns. I'm not saying vigs should go out and make random hits, but if they allow the hits to be predictable, the mafia will use that against us. It follows from this that medics similarly can't be too sure either - though I would hope that medics and mafia don't cross paths since that means the vig thought a player was mafia when the medic was similarly convinced the same player was town. This can definitely happen though - especially if a target is mired in contraversy. Hm, yea. The whole idea of course depends on vigilantes following the town's votes. But I think you're still misunderstanding, so lemme lay out my interpretation of the plan: ASSUMPTION: -vigilante never hits anyone without the town's suggesting it or voting on it. -medic doesn't protect anyone who the town would suspect enough to send a vig hit. With those two intact, the only killing happening at night should be by mafia, except when we tell the vig to hit someone, of course. SO: -medic successfully protects a hit on someone. -that someone cannot be mafia, because the mafia would never nightkill their own for no reason - it just doesn't accomplish anything lol, except maybe tricking the town into thinking that the vigs took a shot which is relatively useless. -since that person is town, and the medic is obviously town, the medic has a positive townie. hence, PM, etc. two townies now know who each other are, which is a big deal, especially if you add on a couple more or if by chance, the saved guy is already in a town circle. The only real disadvantage to this plan is that mafia would know who's getting hit by vigilantes and can avoid doubling up on someone like that. However, it's a small price to pay when that's the way it will probably unfold anyway, and we have a potential positive read for medics as a reward. Assuming I haven't majorly messed up in here, I think you should be able to agree with this argument. On June 04 2010 06:47 MooCow wrote: All the mayoral candidates seem suspicious to me anyway. Wouldn't it be so sick if all the current candidates Zeks, Yellowink and Darth were all mafia and just tricking us, since they all know who the mafia members are. Since we are doing voting what if the public were to chose someone to be a mayor ( basing it from reading his posts and seeing if he is pro town ). Of course the person would have to agree but it would kind of be like a surprise to the crowd. MTF looks like a town person to me, i might be completely wrong though. What do you guys think? Which is why townies need to take it upon themselves to "run." Having all 6 mafia players run for office would be ridiculous, so by having 6 candidates, we guarantee having townies in there. Side note: the most scummy thing about YellowInk right now is his use of the clue-check will clear me as the central part of his argument when he started running for mayor. But that's basically the only thing - his argument is logical otherwise and he's otherwise pro-town to me. On June 04 2010 07:36 MooCow wrote: Maybe i'm being a bit too cynical but Darth posted that he'd be happy with you being the mayor or pardoner and now you post that you'd also be happy with him being either or. If we do get you both as either Mayor/pardoner we should hopefully be correct or we'd be screwed for a long time if you both are mafia. LOL. I don't why YellowInk's doing what he's doing =p. We're both thinking individually, and we both like each other I guess. I'm not in love with YellowInk, but he's been playing a lot better than people are giving him credit for, which is what I'm defending. + Show Spoiler [BrownBear's] + On June 04 2010 07:58 BrownBear wrote: Alright, I'm back. And holy crap, has stuff been happening. Mayoral contest is heating up, with YellowInk pushing for himself pretty heavily, despite a lot of people being rather skeptical. It looks like people are reading way too much into the "hot ink/yellowink" clue, which I find odd, because it is Day 1 after all. Clues are traditionally very vague/nonexistant on day 1, and they're also usually very well hidden and not obvious. Since mayoral elections are kinda the big deal today, I thought I'd look at the candidates who have been pretty vocal - YellowInk, zeks, and Darth. YellowInk: He reeeeeeeallly wants to be mayor. Like, seriously. There's been a lot of back and forth between him and Darth re: exactly what being mayor entails. He seems to think that he can be completely cleared by cluechecks, which is not true, sorry bro. However, because pretty much everyone in this game is new, that's a very understandable mistake, so it also doesn't make him look scummy. He's been the most incendiary candidate so far, attacking both zeks and Darth on their plans for their mayorship. Here's what I think: A DT should CLUECHECK (not rolecheck) the hot-ink part of today's post tonight. If that's a clue, then that's pretty damning for poor YellowInk, although we should profile-analyze everyone else just to be sure. It's far more likely that it's nothing, however, which is why I'm not advocating a rolecheck this early in the game (I do not think rolechecks should be used night 1. It's unlikely the DTs are going to die night 1, and having rolechecks late in the game is very useful), so if it's not a clue, then I'd be ok with YellowInk being mayor. Unfortunately, since there's no way to cluecheck before the elections are done, I can't endorse YellowInk for mayor, sorry bro. zeks: he has a plan. He posted his plan. I'm really not a fan of it. His logic behind the DT rolecheck pattern is flawed, for this reason: there is something like a 48% chance they are both in the same bracket. Even though there's a 1 in 225 chance that they both rolecheck the same person, there's a 100% chance that half the players in the game are being completely ignored. This is very very bad. Again, he doesn't look scummy, he looks new. This is not a bad thing, but again, I can't in good conscience vote for a candidate who i don't agree with. DarthThienAn: I've played a game with him before (3 kingdoms mafia rawr :3) and we did pretty well. From his posts so far, he's very pro-town, which I like. His style of play in the last game we played was to make some slightly scummy decisions to try and draw people out. Mafia players tend to love to accuse any town player acting even slightly weird of being mafia, as it draws the suspicion away from him. He had been cleared town by alignment checks, so he went fishing, and (iirc) it didn't really pay off that much, but it wasn't a bad tactic. I feel most comfortable voting for Darth, if only because I have played with him before, and I know he knows the game reasonably well. It's nothing against the new players (this is a new player game after all ^^), but mayor is a role that can make or break town, and we need someone with slightly more experience in the role, plus there are no clues against him and he has a pro-town attitude. So I say, vote Darth for mayor! Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to announce my candidacy for Pardoner. There haven't been any clear pardoner candidates yet, so I thought I might as well get the ball rolling. As pardoner, here's what I would do: 1) Attempt to establish clear connections to confirmed townies I want to try and work with the most active, coolest town people in the game. I would try to coordinate with DTs secretly to attempt to catch scum, I would work with the medic(s) to protect those that need protecting, and the vigilantes to nail confirmed scum. 2) Pardon power roles if necessary If a confirmed townie ever comes under fire from the town and is about to get lynched, I will pardon and protect them. I cannot stress enough how important it is to keep the confirmed townies, particularly the power roles, alive, as they will be the ones that win us the game. Here are my credentials: Have played 2 mafia games before. Won one handily (3 kingdoms) and just barely lost the other (The Life Aquatic). Was townie both times. I am a standard, green townie this game. No special roles, so I am a low-priority target. I am completely clean from the day 1 clues, and there is no suspicion against me. I AM NOT SCUM. That last point is the most important one, and let me stress why: It's bad to let a mafia player (or god forbid, the GF) get into any elected role, but especially bad to give them Pardoner. The reasoning is, Pardoner gets a free ability to protect ANYONE from lynch, two times, and we have no way to block it. What this means is, if a mafia has Pardoner role, unless we catch on really quickly, we essentially have to lynch 8 mafia instead of 6, as the pardoner can protect his brethren twice. This is something we DON'T want to happen. Now consider this. There are 6 mafia. If they vote as a bloc, that probably won't be enough to get any scum into the mayor slot, but seeing as there doesn't seem to be a strong second candidate, that just might be enough to give one of them Pardoner. They can probably hide it pretty well too, by have one of their own announce candidacy for mayor and posting a bunch of stuff so he seems legit, then just having them all vote for him, spreading it out throughout the day so it's even less obvious. I don't want that to happen. Thus, I want you to elect me for Pardoner. What this means is, I am trying to place SECOND in the mayoral election. Whoever you guys choose for mayor (I'm backing Darth, but it doesn't necessarily have to be him) needs to be ahead of me, but I should be ideally, just one vote behind him. So here's what I'm proposing: I am voting for myself now. That will give me 1 vote, Darth currently has 4. Two more people should vote for me, then we should go by the following: One person votes for Darth, one votes for me. Thus, we will slowly creep up, I will never tie or pass Darth in terms of voting, and, assuming for random 3rd party candidates, Darth should end up with something like 9 votes, I should then end up with 8. That should be enough to keep the scum out of office. I hope you all agree with me. Thanks for the vote of confidence man. For those of you wondering what he's talking about, we played "3 Kingdoms Mafia" which is quite different from a normal setup, but we MADE it closer to a normal setup by going for a neutral / "town" victory haha. Basically, I was the DT, checked Radfield and invited BB into my circle because I was sure he was pro-town. From there, we pwned the game  although luck played a pretty big role and some other complicated things made it easy. lol.On June 04 2010 08:06 LunarDestiny wrote: lol. oh the memories. =S On June 04 2010 09:53 MTF wrote: There aren't many: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac These are the only people who have yet to say anything so far. A few others have only made a single post. I'm not sure any of those match up with the clues. That would be unfortunate =[. I'll have to look closer at clues when I get home. On June 04 2010 11:22 LunarDestiny wrote: YellowInk, you don't want to know who L is. And you hope in the future you don't play a mafia with L in it because he always cause a ruckus (good and bad). Hey, he's better than Bill Murray LOL. | ||
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On June 04 2010 11:52 YellowInk wrote: I agree with your argument here. This is part of the ultimate goal of townies - to organize our forces. If we can manage this, mafia have almost no chance at winning. I was working under the assumption that we were not organized. The challenge to organizing lies with trust. If a power role places their trust in a mafia for whatever reason, it can be absolutely devastating to the town. Well the good thing about this particular plan is that there is almost 0% chance of the medic trusting a mafia member, if they ever save someone from getting hit. The idea of the mafia hitting their own members to potentially forge an alliance with a medic is just so ridiculous and unfavorable for them that I don't see them pulling that stunt. Especially when an appropriate DT check can completely nullify that scheme. So in that sense, a power role would never be entrusted into mafia hands with this plan. The only problem I might see is a misdirected vigilante hit, but hopefully, our vigis will hold back until there are two or three suspects that we need to check out/kill/clear all on the same day for more information or something like that. The vigilante part is really the only step in this plan that mafia can influence, in my opinion. Also, no matter who becomes mayor/pardoner we better be organized -_-. Actually, I'm not even saying the mayor needs to do it. It's the whole town's responsibility to be organized, so anyone slacking off for whatever reason (unless it's real life hehe), get your head in the game, think about how you can help/contribute, and do it. On June 04 2010 12:05 YellowInk wrote: To put out some other thoughts on my mind, LunarDestiny grows more suspicious in my eyes practically every other post. His most recent shenanigans are talking about how inevitable it is that mafia will get one of the two voted roles. To look back at the other things he's done, he has demonstrated a poor understanding of the rules, based his vote on Darth on previous game experience, and posted in disregard of things stated earlier in the thread (and it wasn't a time lag post, he had posted since). Earlier I had noted it in thread and chalked it up to new player error, but it just keeps happening. LD, if you're really town, please stop and think more about what you're posting before putting it up. Think it all the way through to it's logical completion. Because LD was so quick to vote for Darth in the early game, some of this suspicion bleeds on to Darth as well. In Darth's defense, though, his own posts have been very well thought out and beneficial to the community, so I still lean towards pro town on him. As far as I know, LD and I just share a mutual bond of affection and love. Same with BB. A lot of my supporters in thread right now are just people who have played with me in the past. ON THAT NOTE: Something that I just noticed, more pplz needs to be talking plz. The activity level is decent but I wants more! I believe it is official the second half of Day 1. Keep the posts coming people, and if you're voting for someone, please explain your reasoning. Don't forget to abstain if you have no idea who to vote for (or vote for someone random), as we don't want to lose townies needlessly. Modkills: Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to vote. If you do miss a vote, you will be modkilled. You can even vote for yourself, just don't get modkilled (for the vote-confused players at this point). Definitely do not miss the vote however. | ||
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The rest of you need to post more. 20 ~inactives is a NONO. To the inactive list (props to MTF for this): On June 04 2010 09:53 MTF wrote: There aren't many: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac These are the only people who have yet to say anything so far. A few others have only made a single post. I know AFJ posted saying he would post later, but the rest of you, post SOMETHING. barth I know has been in a game before so he has no excuse. AFJ as well but he's "covering" himself already. The other three of you, just post an introduction of yourself and your favorite artist or SOMETHING. Don't let us lynch you needlessly if you are town. | ||
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On June 04 2010 12:37 YellowInk wrote: Ugh, is that how games here go? That will make the games really swingy. Have to work with what we're given though, eh? Oh, and Vote YellowInk for Mayor! Well I wouldn't know haha. Never played with a mayor. Personally, I just go with the voice of reason. Playing with people in the past gives you a sense of their style for play. For example, L, who you've seen around, is just a crazy guy, both when he's town and when he's mafia. So, lolol on that part. I notice random people voting for me though. A little suspicious, without reasoning. I mean, I suppose I'm happy that you vote for me, but I'd like to understand why ^^. | ||
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On June 04 2010 12:43 BrownBear wrote: And here's why no one should listen to you  So... you're saying that hot ink is strong evidence against you. cool. There's a very very serious thing in mafia games. This thing is called the Finger of Shame. The Finger of Shame is what you point at people when you want to accuse them of mafia, and should only be used as a tool to incriminate people you are positive are scum. The Finger of Shame is what you are pointing all over the freakin' place, on day 1. This is a very very confusing thing for you to be doing, as we have little to no evidence to go on. You think zeks is playing like scum, sure, go ahead. It is day 1, however. I have read over zeks' posts, and I don't see anything of serious note in them, so I guess you know something I don't. However, you've accused at least 2 (possibly more) people of being scum. On the first day. You do know you have a chance in 5 of being correct, right? There is no way you have enough evidence to call scum on someone, so you have just rolled the roulette wheel on me and zeks being mafia. What you are doing is very bad, because if you start suspicion on people, you have a 20% chance of it paying off and them flipping red when they are eventually lynched. You have an 80% chance of hitting a townie, weakening the town, and making yourself look bad. Yep. That's me. Trying to make everyone's play less effective. Allow me to quote you for a second: You told us to cluecheck you. I am saying we should cluecheck you. I don't see where the problem is? Oh wait, I do. You think I want people to cluecheck and not try and link it to you. That's stupid. Just because I said "hey someone should cluecheck" instead of EXPLICITLY saying "cluecheck and see if it's linked to yellowink" I am making the town play less effectively? I question your logic, good sir. I question it. If you want to accuse my math of being terrible, please back it up with evidence of why my math is terrible. Otherwise, you're just throwing accusations around, which is a bad thing. Also, I didn't know about zeks playing before, my bad. However, in my defense, I joined in the winter, so I was not around in May 2009 when zeks was playing. Still, whoopsie on my part. I just assumed that since this is a more new-player-focused game, most people would be playing their first or second game of mafia. Out of curiosity, is this your first game? Not attacking you or anything here, just curious. Hey, contradictions, cool. Also, the fact that he played well in the past doesn't have bearing on whether he's elected mayor? Dude, it has all the bearing in the world, especially if he is pro-town like you say he is. By your logic, if Darth is pro-town, he's the best mayoral candidate. And your block of text responding to my block of text says even less. I said that for a reason - I wanted to point out that hey, I know how to play pardoner! When you're trying to run for an elected office, it's generally a good idea to, I don't know, prove that you know what your job is if you happen to get elected? You're now fishing pretty deep to find nonexistent "evidence" that proves absolutely nothing about me other than I know what I'm doing. Uh, what? I'm actually not sure what this is saying. You want me to do less analysis? Ok, cool... Meh, that would actually be an effective tactic, if everyone was retarded. Thing is, people aren't. The minute mafia tries to pull a stunt like that, we have at least 3 of them. I explicitly state that my vote count will never exceed Darth's. If I were mafia, and my teammates tried to bump me ahead of him last minute, I'm very certain that people would see that, think "hmmm, now why would those people vote against the very clear plan that was laid out?" and all 3 of us would likely go down. The mafia plan you have laid out here is just plain silly. And I think my stance is clear here :D Before, I just thought you were an overzealous new player who really really really wanted to be mayor, which I can't really fault. But now, I'm seriously starting to question you. PS this is also not intended to be a personal attack against you I love the fact that you're being so active, keep it up!Dude I always thought it was Finger of Suspicion. | ||
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On June 04 2010 13:13 supernovamaniac wrote: Sorry that I came in late, but I forgot about this. I'll re-read today, but I will be gone for next 2 days (ARML) Got my PM? Glad to have you ^^. | ||
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On June 04 2010 13:23 crate wrote: My thoughts on the election are that, well, zeks gets a plus because he's actually told us concretely what he's going to do (first lynch -> majority vote?) though if he's serious about that we should probably start voting for the lynch soon. I think his idea for the first lynch is very good. Darth has a very large word-count-to-post-number ratio, but half of that is that he quotes entirely too much text when he only needs a sentence or two to provide better context :p His plan for a day 1 lynch looks good (lynching inactives serves to force all players to be active, which benefits the town, and furthermore it's a metagaming play by discouraging lurking in future games which eventually leads to either lots of town victories or better play from at least the mafia side), but I think I'd be more in favor of zeks's method because we get information from a vote count. He's been talking about strategy somewhat, but mostly Brownbear, alright, so he's trying to get pardoner. I've not decided which office position mafia would like to have more ... pardoner is more obviously powerful in a way because it wastes a lynch, but the sheer fact that it's more obvious makes it less desirable. Upping mafia vote power to 8 instead of 6 can be a big deal too, so mayor is pretty good in that respect. Denying the town the protection and gaining the immunity to rolechecks that goes with either role is obviously huge. But anyway, I'm not trying to discuss that here; I'm posting impressions of the candidates, so I'll return to that. His plan for what to do as pardoner is, well, pretty obvious (kill mafia, save good guys!). It sounds good, but it sounds like politician-speak so I don't think it means much. Most of his activity is either his campaign post or his recent discussion with YellowInk. Certainly this is more activity than the average player who's said, well, mostly nothing of substance--having an inactive elected role is wasting the position of invincibility. YellowInk has put more words in the thread than probably anyone else. Much of it has been jumping on mistakes and claiming that he's clean and can be confirmed, a good deal of the rest has been poking holes in plans. I don't recall him saying what he'd do with his mayor lynch if he wins, but I could have missed it in my skimming the thread again in his sheer number of posts. --- Right now no one has really convinced me in this election, but I'd be voting for Darth or zeks over Brownbear or Inky. I like zeks's vote-for-lynch idea. I don't have a solid scum read on anyone right now, so let's look at inactives so far. As of MTF's post: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac had not posted. Since, AFJ and supernova have posted saying they'll post later. If we return to bum's compiled clue link list, we have the following people: 1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo I see LaXerCannon on both of those lists, so I Vote: Lynch LaXerCannon if the elected decides to go by majority vote. I'll vote for mayor in the morning, since I'm going to bed soon. Let's see some names from the mayor candidates: who would you be lynching if you win? If you decide, like zeks, to go with a majority vote, who are you voting for yourself? Names and reasons, I want more information. Even you Brownbear. Humor me for a moment even though you're not trying to win. Let's say some freak accident occurs and you do; answer both questions please. I thought the first lynch idea was a given - any mayor who lynches without the town's approval = scummy to me. Dude, who manages their quoting. lol. I just quote crap and respond to it. I spoiler the big stuff when I remember to. I'll have to disagree with you on something though, crate. I think either YellowInk or BrownBear are the best candidates for office. I lean toward Yellow more because of a couple things: 1) The fact that BB goes for pardoner, a great position for mafia and also a position more "under the radar" is suspicious to me. 2) Both players > zeks. zeks has shown (to me) some relatively poor logic. These two have shown relatively good logic. Zeks was also the first one to announce his running, which is suspicious to me (mafia, of course, want the office). 3) I'm afraid that my love for BB is clouding my thoughts which is why I'm so tripped up on all of this. @Inactives: I sent PMs to the inactives on that list, minus AFJ. supernovamaniac responded so far . If the others log on to TL, they'll see it =P. I obviously didn't do my homework and cross check - like you said LaXerCannon is a great lynch target if he doesn't post by then. If not, this is my "lynch preference" inactive+clue > inactive > clue for day 1. So it'd come down to that. I'm assuming that the town would agree with me on this part since we have so little information. So, I'd probably be lynching either LaXer, barth, IcySoul, or AFJ, in that order. (reading YellowInk's response) I disagree with the bit about the modkill. I'd rather kill someone who's going to die anyway and preserve the town population count at this point. Maybe as a day 2 or 3 thing where we have more information, but at this point, I wouldn't mind lynching an inactive who will be modkilled anyway. | ||
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On another note, people who read this: do what crate did and give your impression of me, YellowInk, BrownBear, and zeks. And anyone else who steps up as mayor. This is really helpful to the town, me personally, and is in no way helpful to the mafia. So write away! | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:06 YellowInk wrote: For the sake of argument, consider a game of mafia where we had no roles except vanilla townie and vanilla scum. It's clear that in a game like this, you never want to waste a lynch - it's the only way townies have a way to kill scum ever, even if it's completely random it is a net zero play. In truth, at the end of day 1 we do have some information, though it is limited - we have all of the posts that people have made thus far. So choosing a lynch victim based on the information we have is a pro townie play, even if it is still somewhat random. Now consider a regular game with roles like the one we're actually playing. If one were to argue that wasting the first lynch is pro town because we havn't done any investigating yet, this is implying that as the game goes on, the game evolves into a state where townies continuously gain advantage over time. This simply isn't the case. On day 2 and sometimes day 3, the town will still have little to no real 'hard evidence' on anyone. Our lynch victims will be chosen based on various reasonings - mostly that we think either the target is scum, or that if the target is revealed to be town it will strongly imply that someone else is scum, or to encourage a certain behavior (being active) so that we gain the capacity to root out the scum. It's the same on day 1 - we choose a lynch victim that will improve the state of the game such that we can find mafia. I avoid choosing to lynch someone who is likely to be modkilled because lynching such a person does not provide motivation. They were going to die anyway. As such this is a wasted kill. Therefore this does not benefit the town. Per my earlier post, I expect that AFJ, Elyas, and DD will be contributing more to the thread. If they don't, they're ignoring this kind of a warning and should be lynched. Does this make things clearer? I see your point. Hmm.... If we get a heavy scum read on someone, then of course, lynch them. For a random lynch... I wouldn't mind lynching a lurker who's posted a couple times to survive, but hasn't done much otherwise. I was looking at the people who voted for me and TyranoS_NiveK falls under that category. One thing - town DOES gain more advantage as time goes on. Mafia start out with such and such information. Town develop that information as the game goes by and get that in addition to their roles. Plus, more information is gathered not only through roles but also through posts. The longer the game goes on, the more likely a scum will contradict himself and be exposed. | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:11 BrownBear wrote: I like this. I don't think we lynch first day, though: just elect mayor. Unless mayor decides who to lynch? I'm not really sure about that. Rules clarification would be awesome ^^ Mayor chooses the lynch, but I think ultimately, town mayor will listen to what the people say and judge from there. --CRATE I DID IT JUST 4 U.-- On June 04 2010 14:15 LunarDestiny wrote: Flamewheel did mention something about mod killing the inactive (those who didn't vote). Someone got to confirm with Flamewheel on that matter about will he really mod kill the inactive. For the first lynch, I want the target to be an inactive (posted minimum to stay alive) and also has clues relating to him. I'll second that. | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:21 onihunter wrote: Darth: General agreement is he posts like a townie, so that's a plus. Also experienced, but that's neither a plus nor a minus. He also seems clear-headed. Yellow: Posts a LOT. Seems quite defensive when criticized, and I can't really say that I like the guy =/. Just personal preference though, nothing really concrete. Also inciting lots of arguing and conflict that is unnecessary at this point in the game. Beardude: I really liked him until he responded to Inkguy's attack. His responses weren't that coherent though imo, and he seemed really emotional in that post to me. Also he himself stated that it's personal between the two now, sort of alienating me. However, he IS running for pardoner specifically. Zeks: There isn't really that much past the few posts that contained mistakes, so can't say much. Suspicious in that he's not a newbie to this game, but I think it's forgivable. Overall, no one's quite solid, but I'd say that Darth slightly edges out the rest. Basically even for the rest. Thanks yo. BB said it WASNT personal. o.o I'd like to see zeks post s'more. Where'd he go? Correction: I'd like to see EVERYBODY post s'more. | ||
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On June 04 2010 16:45 BrownBear wrote: Thread appears to have shut down for the night, so I will as well - see you all tomorrow! Yeah man I was out zzz'ing by like 1am last night lol. On June 04 2010 14:48 LunarDestiny wrote: Sorry Darth, but yellow ink had been posting a lot. Willing to be in center of attention even though you are winning in the election by miles and his only vote is from himself. Because of yellow ink's huge postings record, I have to say yellow ink's chance of being mafia is very, very low. And your chance of being mafia is higher (no offense). I am going to do what seem like a retard thing that most people hear wouldn't agree on: to change my vote to Yellow Ink (WHAT?). I weighed Yellow Ink's innocence against Darth's experience and chose the former. Like I said before, mafia being Mayor is pretty much a GG. So I beg you guys to vote for Yellow Ink or change your vote to Yellow Ink. On June 04 2010 17:02 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't get why people thinks YellowInk got good logic. Some of his arguments have major flaws in them. But that doesn't matter if he is willing to listen to logic and follow the majority. I would even go a step beyond and compare him to a pro town, a bit smarter Bill Murray. Again, there is very little chance that YellowInk is mafia. I will repeat: Mafia do not want to present themselves as the center of attention. Mafia do not go to the thread and start accusing people left and right. Mafia also do not spam post like crazy. We do not need a Mayor that is smart but might be mafia. We need a Mayor who is 100% pro town and also listen to the majority. YellowInk satisfy this. To be honest, this is the train of thought I've had for most of the game. I've been reading pro-town for YellowInk for much of this game -_-, and the fact that he points fingers around like crazy (relative to everyone else) this early is something that makes him pro-town. The only thing that made me hesitate was the fact that another common move by mafia is to point the finger at everyone else when they are suspected at all (from the clue). So I wasn't sure which case this was, but his posting is very pro-town, so I'll agree to that. Even if you don't like his logic, he's responded to mostly anything anyone has said to him, as well as to other people's ideas. I personally follow most of it; any flaws that you see should be brought up immediately in the future =P. And again, I don't mind him in office. (Hey, I just checked - my post count is pretty close -_-. lol) On June 04 2010 17:12 LunarDestiny wrote: ElyAs, you brought up a good point that Darth pmed inactive. Mafia does not benefit from inactive not being mod killed. If they want their inactive members to do the minimum posting and not get mod kill, they can just pm their own members. IF inactive shows up tomorrow, ask them: Did they get the pm and when did they get the pm from Darth. If the inactives can confirm that Darth sent them the pm, then Darth is almost certain not mafia. I PMed them a little bit before supernovamaniac posted his recent post. On June 04 2010 20:56 ElyAs wrote: Okay, I just realized that jiabung has voted for himself. Are you going to run for mayor ? And I really hope that these 2-3 inactives are going to wake up soon, every townie counts ! to be fair, I told the newbies who didnt know who to pick to vote for themselves rather than get modkilled. | ||
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On June 04 2010 23:12 bumatlarge wrote: so the soon to be mayor would be lynching either lazer(most likely lynch) and i heard someone say tyranos? doesnt seem to be alot of talk about this but lazer seems best choice, while tyranos would either be a lucky snipe ona cautious mafia or just a waste of smart and latively active townie. otherwise they seem viable choices from the clue perspective. as for mayor, i do feel that yellows methods are very instigative, yet i really dont think hes mafia as hes bound to get checked. (im just praying for his and our sake hes not miller, which would be very ironic, comical but mostly depressing ;_; darth seems a better choice i guess just because it seems hed do everything yellow would but with more regard to the town in general which is would ultimatley lessen mafia influence. seems even less likely a mafia. but it still impotant to be overly suspicious of all candidates. zeks and bb seem to be fading into the background and i havent seen them push their campaigns lately. also mtf's choice of crate is something i would seriously consider and even mtf himself, but i dont want to push them too muvh as 1) its suspicious to back them so suddenly and 2) they both would be VERY dangerous as mafia mayors and likely to fool us. Again just being overly suspicious, not pointing your KTFinger Boom thing at anyone. posting from my phone as im at work and pretty busy, so assume im voting for darth for now, but id like to switch after more speculation. LaXer is an overlapper on the inactives and clues list. TyranoS voted for me without saying much the entire game and is linked (softly) to the clues. Either of them sounds good to me. Well if he's in office he can't get checked out as yes/no for miller - he can't be rolechecked at all. | ||
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On June 04 2010 15:31 LunarDestiny wrote: My support for Yellow Ink is based on the nature of mafia games. That, mafia don't want to be center of attention. Mafia also don't post a lot and write huge paragraphs. Then there is "printer explode" hint that relates to Yellow Ink which inevitably going to be brought up at a point and I want to address it now. We need to be rational here. Would Flamewheel give a hint that is so apparent? Heck he might as well say: "Flamewheel was hit by the lightning as the eclipse passes by." The thing about that is, if you look at Yellow's profile... well, you'll see what I mean. If flamewheel were to make a clue about Yellow, it would have to be linked to "YellowInk" somehow. That or his picture, which is just a guy (could be him iono lol), which is a bit harder to make a clue about. That being said, it is still a bit too obvious but then again, I've never played with clues so I don't know how subtle/not subtle they're supposed to be. On June 04 2010 17:22 LunarDestiny wrote: Also, when asking they did they got the pm from Darth, tell them not to post the actual pm which is illegal in mafia war. LD, this ain't myspace. lol. On June 04 2010 14:50 DCLXVI wrote: My impressions of the candidates: YellowInk: I don't like how he just seems to jump around accusing everyone. He also seems to think that the ink "clue" makes him a perfect candidate: easily cleaned or mafia, which is wrong. I have no idea what he will do in office, but I hope that if he gets a position he does not continue to act like he does now pointing fingers at everyone. Either dumb mafia or hotheaded townie DarthTheinAn: He has had a very neutral opinion on most subjects and has argued peacefully. This has caused many people to believe he is a townie, and he is riding this good vibe to an office. Somewhat suspicious how several people voted for him already, some who have not even explained their reasons for doing so. He seems coolheaded and collected at least, not one to make hasty decisions or jump at people's throats. either calm and cool townie or smart and calm mafia Zeks: Not sure what to think about him. He does not seem to be the most clever of candidates or the most knowledgeable, without a clear idea of how the roles can interact. However, I would rather a scum mayor like him than a scum mayor that can manipulate people well. I want to see how he responds to the recent discussion so I can finish evaluating him. Either inexperienced/uncreative townie or very smart mafia BrownBear: Similar to DTA, but more involved in the arguments with YI and willing to take a stand on things. His late arrival into the campaigning and supporting DTA could be a clever mafia ploy, but I don't think so. I think he doesn't want a mayor like YI and decided to do something about it. either smart townie or mafia I don't like either of my guesses about YI or zeks, but I suppose zeks is the most likely townie. DTA and BB are hard to decide on. I almost want to vote crate or myself, but I fear that will cause more confusion and allow the mafia to get both offices. If no one steps up their campaign though... I think the mayor should lynch TyranoS_NiveK because he already voted DTA, has barely posted, and maybe has a clue related to him. MTF, you think zeks is townie? I think he's definitely suspect. I wouldn't necessarily lynch him because he's been pretty active, but logic early game wasn't great, as YI pointed out several times. Not sayin he's mafia, and he hasn't posted enough to make any absolute judgments, but he's on my "radar". | ||
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On June 05 2010 03:40 BrownBear wrote: Looking at the recent votecounts, btw, more people need to vote for YellowInk - he's still at danger of being ninja'd by a mafia candidate if one idiot townie bandwagons onto them. I think at this point, it's safe to say that at least 2-3 mafia have already voted. All of them voting last minute would be incredibly stupid imo, although not impossible. But you're right, Yellow does need a couple more votes (or more) to secure him in office. I don't expect any third random candidates with 6 votes because that would just be so obvious.. | ||
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On June 05 2010 02:56 LunarDestiny wrote: As day approaching to an end, the mafia would decide on a target to night kill... I think I am the target. Darth and YellowInk are safe because their role got protections. I am the other huge poster in the thread. Can I, shamelessly, beg a medic to protect me? I really don't want to die that fast. On June 05 2010 03:00 zeks wrote: ^ that was a very well calculated move Always a huge WIFOM mindgames stunt. Nice one LD .Medics, if you don't know who to protect, protect the people who you notice have been active, contributed actual content, etc. Obviously don't protect whoever becomes Mayor/Pardoner since they already have protection. Save the rest of our active townies: LD, MTF, crate to name a few. As the day is drawing to an end, think more about who you want to lynch as well. Look closely at the clues. I remember someone saying that we should go for either LaXer or TyranoS - let's have some more analysis on that, as no matter who is mayor/pardoner, that'll be important in deciding the first lynch. | ||
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On June 05 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote: Well, I think its officially time to withdraw my candidacy, seeing as nobody's voting for me  On June 05 2010 04:03 Misder wrote: ##Vote: BrownBear lulz epic. | ||
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Compilation list of clues: First of all, courtesy of zeks: 1. "The following morning, the town would discover the mayor BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in the town fountain." 2. "...he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway." 3. "but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face." 4. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. I see 5 possible clues listed: fountain, poison coffee, throwing knife, printer, speeding car TheGilaBoy: poison in the coffee cup, "gila" = venomous lizard, pic is a DT (thrown knife) YellowInk: Printer, Ink, etc. (obvious) deconduo: picture of boat in water (fountain) onihunter: swimmer (fountain) crate: license plate car joke (car) LaXerCannon: quote "just keep swimming" (fountain) TyranoS_Nivek: something about treading water for 3 days (fountain), pic is a DT (thrown knife) MooCow: something about treading water for 3 days (fountain). Also, his picture is the band "Disturbed", which was in the Day 1 post, very weak/subtle though. zeks: pic is Shikamaru = thrown knife. DCLXVI: mentions a Humvee in his profile (car) jiabung: drives a van in his profile (car) Note: I omitted the characteristics-linked-as-a-clue posts. Clue-related posts I didn't consider are below. + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2010 12:15 MooCow wrote: Also on zeks it says "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity" it's a bit of stretch but maybe the victim was a bit lucky to avoid death then the mafia found a perfect opportunity? On June 03 2010 12:46 littlechava wrote: Characteristics of Incognito/BC still count as clues right? These connections may be farfetched, but here goes my contribution as far as the clues go: Based on this part: "Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job, Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town." Zeks profile has a pic of Shikamaru, who in the series is known for being extremely intelligent/intuitive. AcrossFiveJulys' profile has the quote "obstacles in life are like weights in the gym..." which could possibly relate to the dedication and passion of Incognito. On June 03 2010 13:10 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Right now most of the connections are tenuous at best. After reading it several times, AcrossFiveJuly's profile is pretty interesting, but I don't know how deeply you can read into it. While I like the thinking, I find connecting Incognito's characteristics to that of his (potential) mafia assassin is a bit of a stretch (unless you're saying that the mafia take after the people they kill?). I'm not too familiar with anime, so I don't feel qualified to comment on Zeks profile picture. As this being my first time playing mafia on-line, I'm pretty excited. Profile pics of everyone: + Show Spoiler + 1. TheGilaboy 2. Hugoboss21 3. Zyrre 4. crate 5. LunarDestiny 6. Deucegladlier 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 9. bumatlarge 10. 3 Lions 11. barth 12. littlechava 13. AcrossFiveJulys 14. zeks 15. Icysoul 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. LaXerCannon 20. BrownBear 21. jiabung 22. MTF 23. CompX 24. supernovamaniac 25. Misder 26. pyr0ma5ta 27. DarthThienAn 28. ElyAs 29. deconduo 30. sputnik.theory To finish it off, Yellow's inactive target list: + Show Spoiler + AcrossFiveJulys supernovamaniac deconduo pyro0ma5ta - No, not because you said you want to lynch me, but because you have contributed very little thought to the game. CompX - Pointed at ElyAs at the very beginning but has contributed almost nothing. jiabung - Helped collect a few clues at the very beginning but then has had nothing else to say. 3 Lions - Helped collect a few clues at the very beginning but then has had nothing else to say. Deucegladlier - Has had nothing relevant to say. Tyranos_NiveK - The one post you made of substance wasn't very clear. It seemed like you were directing it my way, but I'm not sure. We'd love to hear more from you! Zyrre - I know you're behind me, but I want to hear more from you in thread. | ||
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On June 05 2010 05:31 LunarDestiny wrote: The clue might be a start but I would put too much into it. I also want to add a clue that people missed. My profile pic: ![[image loading]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7392/haru32.gif) The opening song of the second season of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu: Why did I put this? I just want to say don't weigh the clues too heavily. Lynching inactive is still our priority in day 1 Is that who the chick as your picture is? I definitely think lurking >> day 1 clues, I just decided to make the list so that we can add on to it later, etc. But I also think that lurker linked to clues gives us a better chance at hitting mafia. On June 05 2010 05:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Darth is playing a lackadaisical, prudent, friendly townie. It doesn't appear to me as if he is putting much thought into his posts, just sort of sitting down and writing whatever comes to mind. This shows me that he isn't trying to conceal anything. Also, this post essentially proves to me that he's probably not mafia: This is true. I read posts and I respond to them, that's just my style. lol. | ||
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On June 05 2010 05:56 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly, did you receive a pm where darth telling you to participate? nahs, he shouldn't have. He had already posted in thread saying he would post later. I only PMed the 4 who had not posted at all since signups (as I knew) - barth, Icysoul, LaXerCannon, supernovamaniac. | ||
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On June 05 2010 06:01 LunarDestiny wrote: Then where is Icysoul and LaXer. The new pm is highlighted in yellow, they should have notice it if they are logged on. I don't think either of them have been on since signups >> | ||
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On June 05 2010 09:02 MooCow wrote: Sorry for the noob question but does the lynch target that the mayor decide get lynched as soon as the mayor is decided? There's still 12 people that needs to vote but Darth is ahead 10 - 6 YI. Think so. And as of flamewheel's most recent post, there are only 3 people missing... What are you talking about? | ||
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On June 05 2010 09:36 crate wrote: Well looks like it's Darth for mayor and YellowInk for pardoner. Any more thoughts on who you're lynching, Darth? Yesh, I'm gonna be lynching jiabung, unless someone comes up with a good defense for him for some reason. He's as good a target as TyranoS in terms of clues and inactivity, etc. However, some people have been pushing for TyranoS without much explanation - something mafia can do quite easily without being noticed/looking suspicious. So as a bit of a precaution / to hopefully increase our chances at hitting mafia, lynch target is gonna be jiabung. ^props to YI for pointing this out to me through PM. Anyone who was thinking about zeks: zeks is too active for a day 1 lynch - inactivity over "possible" scum. Maybe later if we think so, but not today for sure. I don't remember if they were any other potential targets. Oh, LaXer has posted an "I'm back" post - still not off the hook for inactivity, but it's nice to see him alive. | ||
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On June 05 2010 09:48 DCLXVI wrote: you should lynch LD because he references Haruhi season 2 in his profile Seriously though, trying to figure out DTA is driving me crazy. His posts feel townie, and he does everything he can to help the town. But many people just vote for him randomly and/or support him so quickly. Either we have overly trusting townies or he is mafia (with LD). I really hope not though. lol at me "possessing the printer" causing it to explode ^^ Question DTA: who has been pushing lynch Tyranos? I know I have mentioned that he was on both list and YI did too? I myself don't understand why the people that vote for me, vote for me. I called out TyranoS for it, but he never responded. LD had his reasons and that was about it at the time (maybe littlechava too?). After that a whole lot of people started voting for me randomly - a couple of them have posted why in thread but a lot of them, especially the most recent ones, haven't posted why. We've said several times in thread to explain why you vote for people, and to even analyze ALL of the candidates, no matter what (your) impression is. But people just don't listen, busy with life I guess. On June 05 2010 10:01 LunarDestiny wrote: Darth, Jiebung is a good choice, but I also want you to take a look at those last minute bangwagon. Kind of fishy. DCLXVI, well if you are concern about me and darth being mafia. You would know the answer very soon since I am a huge target for the mafia (if I am pro town) unless a medic saves me (begging again  ). Yeah the last 4-6 guys who voted for me are all a little bit fishy to me. If you voted for me, plz explain. A couple of them I lay it on inactivity = bandwagon, but yeah, you're definitely right. @DCLXVI's thing: it seems like a joke =p. | ||
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On June 05 2010 10:15 MooCow wrote: When someone is killed/mod killed their affiliation is revealed to everyone right? Yes, in this setup, death = role+alignment reveal. | ||
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On June 05 2010 10:36 LunarDestiny wrote: Here you go (did not take account of quality of post, just quanity. Number of post as of post #469: ![[image loading]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8149/post469.jpg) heh, you didn't account for signup posts/pre-pregame posts? ;P. I need to get a life if I'm up there with you and YI. Guess I'm a little spammier though, with posts like his one. | ||
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Like Yellow said, check out the active people. They are the people who are going to help you the most when you check them and get townie back. If you get mafia back, then great, of course, but forming a town circle is HUGE + has a lot of potential to win the game for us. Being organized when the mafia doesn't know about it (town circle is through PMs of course) is a big step / advantage for town. Another thing you might think about though is, check out someone active, who you consider pro-town. That way, when you check them and they come back as green or blue, you don't have to wonder if they are the GF. I mean, technically, they could be, but the chances are much lower now, and it's a risk that I personally would take (in PMing them after you get the results back). It's too bad about the hit guys. This is why you can't be inactive as a townie . It may not seem like it, but it's detrimental to the town if you don't do anything as a green townie. On June 05 2010 13:54 jiabung wrote: I'm dead =*( you should have posted sooner man. | ||
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On June 05 2010 14:20 flamewheel wrote: flamewheel has been chosen from a Random Cute Generator. ^^ party all day and sleep all night. yeaa, thats this town . | ||
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3 Lions - inactive, 3 game posts total, 2 of which are clue-oriented, 1 of which is "I'm inactive/away". Step up your game man and POST MORE PLZ. +1 suspiciousness for you. Actually, I'll make my points mean something: +7 sputnik.theory - Also 3 game posts total, 1 intro-as-newbie-post as I suggested pregame, 1 post asking if it's common for mafia to run for mayor and suggesting more candidates, doesn't care if between me and yellow who's mayor/pardoner, pro-lynching inactives so that we probably won't hit a blue (good, but obvious reasoning). POST MORE PLZ. +3 LaXerCannon - total of 4 posts but that don't mean much for content! Apparently missed the "THE GAME'S STARTING" memo, and just got in the game recently. Got up a person-clue list which is ... alright. Just read the thread man (as in, I don't think you have), and post more. You're still under suspicion for being completely MIA for the entire first day. As long as you step it up, you'll be okay though. +3 MooCow - sup cutie +0 (I don't do negatives... lol jk. just not right now). Great activity, keep it up. 5th place according to LD's chart! pyr0ma5ta - looks like... 4 in-game posts, 1 irrelevant, 1 joking about supporting LD if he runs (for an excel sheet LOL), 1 copy-pasting bumatlarge's list of clue-linked ppl and saying he suspects Yellow and zeks due to the clues related to them (this was early on), and 1 saying... DUN DUN DUN: On June 04 2010 08:02 pyr0ma5ta wrote: Yellowink, not only will not vote for you as mayor at this point, at this point I am leaning towards lynching you first. OH SNAP. DID HE JUST --- lol. A really uncalled for and bold accusation. However, this makes me think he is townie, because afaik, he's newbie and a newbie mafia wouldn't go around attracting attention like that by calling someone out straight-up like that. HOWEVER. He's still as inactive as the first two I analyzed. Step up yo game and POST MORE PLZ. He's also posted more in other TL forums recently than in this thread. UNACCEPTABLE. lol. +2 Misder - 3 in game posts, 1 pregame, irrelevant, 1 saying flamewheel's lightning is probably not a clue (true), and 1 commenting about clues (not even a big commentary either), and dodging because he doesn't read. This was all relatively early on too - he's gone MIA as of late... interestingg... he had that phantom vote for BB as well which got counted under my name (I have no idea why lol), and didn't explain it. POST MORE PLZ. +5 All of these names (except for MooCow) also need to explain why they voted for me (Misder, explain why you voted for BrownBear). | ||
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On June 05 2010 15:10 littlechava wrote: Can't all this active hyping hurt the town though? Everyone keeps saying the most active people are probably townies, since mafia members don't want to draw attention to themselves and risk getting outed, but I mean, this is a game of deception after all. What if the Mafia/the GF (the godfather especially benefits from staying active and putting on a townie facade, right?) are keeping active in this game and it's helping them? We've already taken down one town member, probably simply because he was inexperienced with the game. I know I am. I think all of us should be more careful before we decide who we vote for lynching as well as who the blue roles help/hurt. The more active = the more prone to error and slipups = good for town. The more active = the better I (and everyone else) can read you (and everyone else) The more active = the more thinking and planning and organization gets done. No one's saying that activity = pro-town. If any has, it's more like, "his activity combined with the pro-town feel of his posts..." etc. I'll speak from experience - mafia inherently have less incentive to be active and post. First of all, they don't want to post a lot and help the town. They want to skate by unnoticed, and kill people silently at night. This is why we call out anyone who seems inactive, ever. Others do the "I'm pro-town" scheme early, and then fade away. Either way, we as town want to force mafia to speak up more so that they can slip up and are forced to either make bad logic, or give up their own members. If the mafia/GF are being really active, then we need to step up and match them. Read: TOWN BE MORE ACTIVE PLZ. Seriously, I mean 24 brains >>> 6 brains right? No one wins mafia games alone. The town has an advantage in that we (ideally) have 24 people thinking for us, whereas they have 6, and those 6 are limited. We took down an inactive member who was probably inexperienced BECAUSE he didn't do what we told him to. It would've been easy for him to, as town, just post "I voted for myself because... I'm symbolically abstaining" and then post whatever else is relevant. Him not posting hurt the town. Doing nothing doesn't do nothing to the town, it hurts it. Everyone got it? And, we're always careful about who we lynch. Yellow and I gave our reasoning as to why we lynched jiabung - if you disagreed you should have proposed someone else / spoken up much sooner. If anyone has a good idea, of course we'll take it. Until then, you're leaving it on us "active" people to do all the thinking, which sucks for me personally at least. | ||
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On June 06 2010 03:10 sputnik.theory wrote: I've noticed that a quite a few players (including me) have been called out for not posting too much on day1 and in our defence, I'd just like to point out that there's only so much that can be said at the start of the game. I'll be posting more as the game develops and there's actually things to talk about. It's not about posting hard facts, or analyzing information. Everyone always seems to have this impression that there isn't much to do on day 1. But this game especially, with the mayor elections and all that, offers up so much juicy analysis day 1. I don't care if you're good or bad with "behavioral analysis" - all you need to do is read a posts carefully and think to yourself: "did that make sense?" if not, point out why and consider this person's past actions/posts and determine whether you think they might be mafia (remember that mafia will try to confuse people and create conflicts where there need be none). If the post does make sense, give your opinion about the idea, and STILL consider the person's motives and allegiance. Every post that someone makes is another indication toward their allegiance, which is why we stress activity so much. See one of my previous posts on the benefits of activity and everyone posting frequently. @YI's "guideline" - whether or not you take it as a rule or a guideline, it will be enforced either way. Just by the nature of the game, anyone who doesn't post enough will be under suspicion. We need you to post more, no matter how bad you think you are at the game. The more discussion that happens, the better it is for the town. On June 06 2010 03:35 sputnik.theory wrote: Yink, no offense but half your posts up to now can be summed up as VOTE FOR YINK. That being said, you've also posted plenty of information that others have found useful and I'm not trying to take away from that. I'm just not really interested in the early stages of a game as much what comes later and I'm trying to play in a way that will help me get to lategame so I can help make sure town wins. Why should I paint a target on my back for mafia by being a hyper active townie so early on? Especially when I don't feel like the insight I could offer at this point in the game would be as authoritative as others who've played this game before? I think you need to do your homework. His posts don't "sum up" to VOTE FOR YINK. They include that at the end, but most of them talk about relevant stuff, and are analytical. sputnik, no offense but take out any of the posts that Yellow has saying "Vote for YellowInk" anywhere, and he'd still have at least 10x your content/post quality. Also, if we're all super-active-townies, then the mafia won't know who to kill, will they? There's no downside to the town being active. Don't feel like you can't offer insight. Most of it is opinion. There's no right or wrong. But it's important for the rest of us to get your impression, or else you're leaving a 26-person job to 5, 6 people. | ||
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On June 06 2010 04:33 Thegilaboy wrote: That depends on their current killing power I believe. And I think stacking means that they can devote multiple hits to a single target, to try and override a medic's protection Yep. So for instance, current Mafia KP is 3. They could potentially stack 3 KP on one person - it would override veteran status AND a medic protection in that case. Medic protection takes off one KP from the target. If mafia stack 2 of their 3 KP on one person, it kills any regular townie with medic protection. etc. etc. | ||
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On June 06 2010 04:40 Thegilaboy wrote: My question about the stacking thing is our we informed if that is the option mafia decide to use? I mean that when the report on the hit comes, do we get to know something like "two attempts were made" if the mafia decides to stack 2 on an individual? Seems like that would be really useful information for us to know about the mafia's actions No we only get told who dies and what they were. | ||
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On June 06 2010 06:26 DCLXVI wrote: need to catch up on this, a LOT was discussed today. I noticed people asked for opinions on every player, and right now that is hard to give. It is easier now that about 5-6 people came out from under their rocks and started posting, but still many people are hard to analyze just because they barely post. I guess I should not have added so much to my profile, so easy to randomly link clues to it now I will catch up and respond later tonight, i'm only on pg27 now If people don't post then that is your analysis of them. If you look one or two pages back to my analysis of my last-minute voters, the majority of it was "Yeah this guy doesn't post at all, POST MORE PLZ." At this point, we just need to get rid of the inactivity in the town. Maybe things will change after the night ends, but assuming that none of our blue roles roleclaim with information, all we have to go on are the clues and the information we get from people posting. More posting is good for the town. Take it upon yourself to be more active - if you're too busy with RL to read through everything thoroughly, skim through, or read the most recent posts, try to get a sense of what you missed, and post accordingly. If you look at LD's excel chart, basically, anyone with less posts than the crate, DCLXVI, MTF, ElyAs group needs to be posting more. And that's just quantity. A lot of players need to step up their quality. crate and MTF both don't post as much as maybe me or YI, but they contribute a lot every time they post, offering solid analysis, with decent length posts. So you (all of you) need to either have a few long posts like those every day, OR you need to be posting frequently throughout the day. | ||
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On June 06 2010 12:19 YellowInk wrote: Now barth was defenestrated. I was sure I read something about defenestration in someone's profile - does anyone remember off the top of their head? defenestration? what is that? o.O Another thing that might be a clue is " ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it." which suggests someone who is a fast runner - not sure we have anyone like that though. The killer also beats ElyAs to the town courthouse in the post. Of course, the main thing here is stealth - LD, it's true that stealth is usually present in all mafia-death-stories, but in this case, I think it's worth considering, only because of how accented the stealth of the killer is. He was "a masked figure" and "stealthily kept to the shadows" which is pretty explicit. A knife is a normal tool, but combined with the thrown knife from Day 1, I'd consider it significant. As for barth's death, I'm not sure what to make of it... a weight pushed on him, to make him go OUTSIDE. so the weight come from inside - could've just been a normal person there pushing him, or it could've been a trap of some sort, with swinging weights etc. Seems more subtle than that though. | ||
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On June 06 2010 12:21 LunarDestiny wrote: What we really need is the person who was protected to step out. Please don't tell who protected you even if you know. For the detectives who role checked and the result is pro town, you have the option to use that person as your spoke person (it is very unlikely you got the godfather) Gonna emphasize this. You can say "I took a hit last night" - you choose to specify whether or not it was medic protection or veteran life. It might be better to be ambiguous for now, since the mafia don't know that either. On June 06 2010 12:27 YellowInk wrote: Careful, it's not the first time you've said that. People might think you're the godfather. Regardless, there is one godfather in this game. We're going to encounter him sooner or later so it's worth always being on guard. Personally, if I were a DT and I found a townie on my first rolecheck, if I weren't confiding in the mayor or pardoner, I probably wouldn't tell anyone. When I found a second townie I'd tell them both I was the DT and leave a broken code between multiple people for if I got knocked off. This makes it harder for the mafia to just immediately kill the DT if one of them were the godfather - or if they do, the godfather gets revealed and lynched. Basically, anyone who ever roleclaims should always "double" roleclaim if possible, and let both people know who you've claimed to. That way, if you die tomorrow, we have a suspect. | ||
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Thoughts on the targets of last night: I thought the mafia would be going for more high-profile people, ie. BB, zeks, MooCow, MTF (well, he did get hit), etc. I'm a little confused by the barth/ElyAs kills as well - bad play on their part. First of all, based on pages 33 and 34, we all need to chill out a bit. Don't provoke people unnecessarily, or that'll just be even more confusing for the town. The difference between defensive townie and squirming mafia is not the easiest one to tell. MTF had some nice clue-analyzing - the brain you can't copy obviously, but follow his format in the future. Give us the clue in the post, the connection in the profile, and your thoughts on the matter. Solid analysis on in that post - I have one comment about MooCow & TyranoS's connections/profiles: If I were hosting, I'd make sure all of my clues didn't point to ONLY one person. With MooCow and TyranoS having the same public profiles essentially, this only makes it easier. I would consider the chances of at least one of the two being mafia as pretty high, if there are several connections to their profile. Like I said last night - the running killer "beating" ElyAs is definitely a clue to me. Anyone with any mention of being a winner of any sorts is related to this clue. @DCLXVI: We should hang people not only based on clue, but more based on posting. Clues are secondary and supplementary at this point - they'll be the deciding factor if we have to choose between two suspects. On June 06 2010 16:34 flamewheel wrote: Bookmark post. What do you do with these, anyway? @Zyrre: The DT-ninja-stealth stuff refers more to the first killer. @LaXer: "Sorry if you saw it that way, I really just want to vote based on clues." Bad! Clue analysis is good, but don't forget the bread and butter of mafia - discussion and scummy posts! I like the blink idea though, that's pretty good. @Misder: Could you elaborate on AFJ dodging accusations thrown at him? Last I checked your accusations were really crappy and based on his name being BFJ?, and he explained his day 1 inactivity (which isn't to say he's excused for it). And there's not much people can do to defend themselves against clues, unless the accusations are illogical. AFJ + weights. OK, check. I don't think he's been dodging anything though. @crate: Excellent! I hope I see the post later in my reading. Everyone else, plz follow suit. @zeks: You make me think of a good point. Everyone, be wary of people who only do clue analysis. To me, that's suspicious. Post analysis >> clue analysis by far, especially at this point. For mafia, analyzing clues is an easy way to "get away" with not contributing. And, so far us losing 3 townies is great! No blue roles gone, and it's as if we didn't even mislynch because of the fail-hit on MTF. We're in a great spot right now, assuming our DTs are doing their jobs. @YI: He's absolutely right. I've been offline for some 16 hours and I can just walk in and post like this no pressure. As long as you give us your complete thoughts on whatever's going on, we don't care when you post. Quality over quantity. @crate: beautiful post and great analysis! very original in terms of what you've looked at, nice nice. Again people, you need example? Link to crate's post. Thoughts on his analysis: onihunter: if I remember correctly, he was kissing up to me early on. He was following me like a little dog for the entire mayor/pardoner campaign, and posts frequently, but nothing too too insightful as say, you or MTF. All in all, I'd attribute to him being a eager but naive town newbie. Potential mafia, of course, but I'd lean the other way. Obviously, keep an eye on him, but he's not a lynch target today, especially not without more clues linking to him. AFJ: Based on your review, his posts are very crap - late, and bandwagon thought process/posting. Not helping the town at all, I expect to see him really step it up today, or else be prepared to be considered for a lynch. @LD: MTF's first post is a joke (like, a real joke I'm not insulting him). A nice list of inactives for us. Followed by analysis of the mayoral candidates +1 (good points) for that. I agreed and still agree with his read on Yellow. Interesting to note that he pointed out the whole stacking thing (though I and I'm sure the other returning players were aware of it) and then he's the one who got hit and survived last night. lol. Still, no one has counterclaimed which means he's not lying unless he's mafia and they stacked. @Zyrre: Thegilaboy's not overly suspicious in his posting, but he's not overly helpful either. For someone who posts as frequently as he does (based on LD's chart), I expect more content that what he's given. Thegilaboy needs to step up his posting quality. We've discussed how multiple times - just do the 4 person analysis thing. I'm not sure how high on my lynch list he is right now, but he's been on there since early night 1. @littlechava: Hugoboss21 is also suspicious but more for inactivity than anything. LaXerCannon is suspicious. His hasty voting is either a ploy by the mafia to try to start a bandwagon (which seemed to be working for a couple pages but it looks like people are cooling down), or it's a really bad noob mistake. Zyrre, I haven't really thought about. lol. I'll have to look at him later just because I haven't at all this game. On June 07 2010 03:56 sputnik.theory wrote: Oh god, I just wrote a wall of text and accidentally closed my post as I was looking back through the thread -_-; fail. 2nd attempt coming up... I better see it soon... scum! (lol jk. But if you don't post a giant wall of enlightening text, then consider yourself suspicious) @crate: Any medic who protected MTF should feel safe PMing him and roleclaiming to him. We've discussed this before Day 1, but basically it comes down to, it's very unlikely that MTF is mafia (from the medic-who-protected-him's perspective). @sputnik: I hope this wasn't your wall of text. I remain unimpressed (by its length). The original content, however, I approve of. Still, it also sounds like something I would expect from a mafia teammate trying to lay the blame on other people. Not saying you're mafia, but it's a potential mafia move. You stay on my list. Post s'more though =]. @littlechava: It's a pretty ballsy move by the mafia to fake medic - if the real medic comes along and does the same thing then... ruh-roh for the mafia. It's not hard to rolecheck one person and lynch the appropriate one. And MTF could be veteran as well in case a fake claim is an insta-death wish. So, imo, MTF can tell between the legit and not legit RCs. If no medic RCs because MTF is vet, well then that makes sense, now don't it... -__-. @YI: I'm not sure how good the posts by LaXer and Misder have been. LaXer has focused almost exclusively on clue-hunting, and Misder has given us some bull analysis and a belated explanation for his day 1 vote. Minus the blink idea, it hasn't been a lot. I personally expect a lot more from these two. CompX and Deuce have disappeared as far as I can tell, TyranoS and supernovamaniac are allegedly at the Penn State ARML competition (which I used to go to so I have some sympathy for them) BUT I remember getting back early Sunday morning, so I expect them to be posting later tonight, at the latest. I'll keep these three in mind for later if and when I start analyzing ppl. @MTF: I'm not sure if sputnik.theory's theory (LOL) is saying that the mafia stacked kills on ElyAs. It's more that, the killer was actually two very similar people. I mean, technically, Mafia KP is split into two anyway, so it makes sense that each KP is "used" by two members. I agree that it's a ridiculous scheme at this point. But I'm not going to forget about it quite yet ^^. @Deuce: uh, wtf? We should lynch you here and now for that post. Post real stuff plz. @Thegilaboy: easy anti-modkill vote. That or he's retarded. Based on his previous post, I'm not crossing that option out quite yet. @YI: yeah, no idea about Deuce. Like, "what the deuce?" (Stewie). Among those three, I say we give TyranoS some time to redeem himself, and between CompX and Deuce... I'd have to look but based on what I just read, I want to lynch Deuce for being stupid. @Qatol: HAPPY BIRTHDAY QATOL. YOU'RE CUTE :3. | ||
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On June 07 2010 06:58 pyr0ma5ta wrote: Hm, well I thought I contributed by pointing out GilaBoy's obvious fail with the "Tiny the Stone Giant" thing, something which nobody had pointed out yet (though I fail to believe I'm the only one in this game who's played Dota). Is this not considered contributing?  Oh, and I'm not sure I agree that inactivity is an indication of Mafianess. We've already lynched an inactive non-Mafia. If we just lynch based on activity, the obvious Mafia counter-play is to just post a lot of blah blah blah. Oh. I already knew that in my head (Dota reference), which is why I disregarded it. mb. =p. Inactivity =/= mafia. But we need to get rid of it. Posting a lot of blah blah blah will get them caught = ezpz for us to win, yeah? | ||
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On June 07 2010 09:39 crate wrote: @LunarDestiny (and the rest of you), re: Deucegladlier: Not only is his posting in this thread poor ... it's 100% worthless. The only reason he's posting is to avoid being modkilled. The only way he could be contributing to the town right now is if he's in PM contact with anyone here or if he's a medic or DT who's doing something. If he's been PM'ing with you, I'd like to know about it. Any way you stack it his play has been completely unhelpful and he cannot benefit the town even as just another vote if he doesn't even read enough to vote for someone other than himself. It's actually better for a townie to just accept being modkilled than it is to effectively abstain and never contribute whereas mafia do have an interest to stay alive even if they're not going to play (like I said before). I'm voting for him on this basis, but we should keep looking at people because we have more lynches in the future. (Or, who knows, maybe Deuce will show up and surprise us with some game-related posts). I'm going to chime in quickly here. I think his worthlessness is obvious. I will probably end up voting for him, but am waiting to see what more the day brings. I expect him to either defend himself or do something worth my attention if he wishes me to change my current opinion. | ||
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My thoughts on what Deuce is doing: he's doing the minimum to stay alive, etc. But it's not logical for him to do what he did. Let's look through it. He's Vanilla Townie: he's new (right?) and doesn't care about the game because he thinks he got a boring role. OK. So logically, he wouldn't post or vote at all. He's Blue Role: he's pretending like he doesn't care, but actually trying to hide. But this doesn't make sense because by posting the way he did, he's just attracting attention to himself by making a retarded post and voting for himself without explanation. He's Mafia: he's trying to lay low and vote for himself, passing it off as abstaining. But like the blue role idea, making a retarded post like he did and not following up just attracts attention, which defeats the purpose of his goal?? Conclusion: He's retarded - I swear, he has the IQ of a paper bag or something. If he can post in the KPop thread, he can post here. It's players like this that give mafia even more of an advantage in the game. Personally, I don't think he would post at all if he were bored town. And if he were blue, he wouldn't be bored... usually. But! I speak from experience [look up PYP Mafia, and sidesprang - he didn't post and got lynched early (on some solid logic sure, but it wasn't foolproof), when he could have defended himself and possibly survived another day or two] when I say that being on a team of mafia isn't as exciting as being a detective, or a medic, or a veteran. Heck, I think DT is probably the most exciting role in the game - I felt so powerful in Caller's 3 Kingdom game lol. Anyway, I could very easily imagine a situation where - especially with 6 members - the other mafia are just begging Deuce to "at least" post and not get modkilled, etc., so he comes and does this. So this is mainly why I lean toward Deuce NOT being blue and more likely being red. Not 100% sure - maybe not even 50% tbh, but there's not much to go on here -_-. Hope this all made sense... I feel like it might be a big post of rambling. Anyway. similar to before, this is going to be a big post, unless the only thing you guys talk about is Deuce vs Thegilaboy. @LD: Your theory about the 4 inactives voting together, etc. is not to be forgotten or taken lightly. Not because of some time zone or something like that but because we have 3 people - who were notably inactive before Day 2 - come out of nowhere and all of a sudden start posting a lot more, but all pointing the finger at the same person while the thread is quiet, trying to get someone killed based on clue analysis. It's suspicious, but it's not condemning. BUT. It's good that, if you are all town, that you're voicing your thoughts, posting, etc. Keep the posting up. To clarify: don't get me wrong. Clue analysis is good. But to me, it's extra. Posting behavior analysis is better, such as what crate and MTF have done before in this thread. Again, I don't want to hear it (about clues) unless it's new and plausible - people have been better about this I think, and I thank you. And to force players to analyze other players let's us see later what impressions they had of who - anyone who flips mafia, we can look through their posts and check if they "skipped" over some people, etc. uhh... ignoring any clue vs posting debate. @BB: Hey man, was worried where you went. Welcome back :p. Did you do Oberlin CSL o.o? Meh, I guess the only person I know from that teams is Sunyveil heh. @whoever: I'm not going to worry about posting times. That's too technical for me, I'll leave it up to you guys. If people keep talking about it, I'll think about it a little more. But tbh, it's just something extra, and weaker than the day clues. Without the "scummy poster" backbone, it doesn't mean much to me. @pyro: Yes, be suspicious of everyone, but don't go overboard. Keep your guard up, but don't jump at people's throats. Doing that makes people like me raise my eyebrows at you and start looking through your posting history. The mod posts are not "wrong" but I expect them to contain either vague or slightly misleading information. If the clues were at all obvious, then the game would be too easy for town. Not going to think too much about the voting patterns at this point, although I'll have to at some point >_>. @LD/LaXer: Stop bickering =P. Actually, continue, it's interesting to watch hehe. More info for the rest of us. LaXer, not all mafia come and defend themselves. Especially Deuce's type if he is mafia (based on my analysis earlier in this post). Like I said, some mafia don't care enough to do more than whatever it is they feel obligated to do. From his perspective, he might have already fulfilled what his team asked him to do, even though they might be spamming in their mafia forum / PMs asking where he is. He could easily be offline or just not checking the thread. Not everyone bookmarks TL Mafia separately along with TL in their bookmarks bar like me =]. @zeks: when I was mafia in PYP, I hmm... I'm not sure we organized anything. Crap, I wish I remembered. Well of course, we organized the number and role selections, but in terms of posting, I don't think we organized anything. But it was only 4 of us, I was still newbie, sidesprang was afk, Zona became afk, and Foolishness was uh. He was pro xD, but I guess more of a loner act. Still, something that would be good to notice (if you can) when doing posting analyses of multiple people is any connection, or any uhh.. any... common theme (? can't think of a better wording) between their posting. crate has a bit of this (his "possible connections" section at the end of his analyses). Veterans can't always stop the newbies from doing stuff. See this thread, for instance. lol. I might consider lynching a different target as well, but we want to be careful about who we pick and if we do, we need to get on it ASAP with clear logic right away, or else it's a bit of a last-minute switch. Definitely don't want to switch the town vote and fail to lynch unnecessarily. Judging by the current time and the fact that a lot of us are American time, I think it's too late for this - most of us will wake up, go to work or school, etc., and possibly be busy for too long to look in the thread and do anything but bandwagon. Honestly, I don't expect an answer to this post for another 4-6 hours. @MooCow: uhh. Hopefully I can do a fuller review of your poster at the end of this post. Hopefully I manage to stay awake lol. It won't be as good or nice as crates, but it'll have to do ^^. @BB/Double Lynch: I agree. Ideally, we would use the double lynch and hit two mafia, but we don't have the information for that (afaik) right now. <skip stuff> @bumatlarge: I'm not sure you understood correctly.. sure, generally, you want information to get out, but information that could potentially lead to catching mafia you want to keep hush hush, maybe share with someone you trust so that they don't get to dodge it. @LaXer: Terrible logic like LD said. Not saying anything=innocent Arguing his reasons=mafia uhh, yea that don't work. @Misder: I'm not sure. I'll double check later. When I read your post, I thought some of your stuff was based on a wrong name or something. @The MTF deal: He never claimed he was protected by a medic or he's a veteran. All he did was say "I was hit". It's possible that he's mafia and making up a complex scheme. Keep that in mind as we continue playing. But it's not enough to incriminate him right now. A rolecheck on him might be appropriate at some point, but it's not something we should worry about right now. As far as I'm concerned. he's pretty pro-town. AFJ lookin' a bit more suspicious fishing for info about MTF... at this point, it's not important for the town to know whether or not MTF was saved last night or took a hit as veteran. Letting the mafia know that information helps them more than us. It's good to tell the town "I took a hit" because the mafia already knows who they targeted last night, and that kind of information can only help the town. End discussion. @littlechava: deep breaths, don't get too offended by stuff on the internet ^^. @AFJ: Nice! Analysis. Brownie points for you. crate's has had good ideas and good analysis so far in the game. Not clear, of course, but leaning pro-town at this point. littlechava - you're right in that his posts could use a little work, but I'm less concerned about him and more worried about the other 5-10 inactives / crap posters in the game. zeks - hmm. I'm not excusing zeks for his inactivity plummet. Well, overall, the town's activity has plummeted since the end of day 1, but even relative to that, I've been feeling the lack of zeks. Not sure what to think of him at this point, and whether or not this is a classic mafia fade. @zeks: we could use your thoughts man =p. @Zyrre: Your plan is unnecessary, as far as I can tell. If MTF was saved last night, the medic who protected him should feel free to PM him, roleclaim, etc. MTF has no reason to distrust this person. Why? Because mafia don't know if MTF is a veteran or not. They targeted him. They can't assume that he was protected by a medic - therefore, fake claiming medic to him is a 50-50 shot (excuse my math if it's wrong), which is too high risk for me to consider a viable option. Take that away, and the only scenario in which someone roleclaim-PMs MTF is if they are the real medic. If he's veteran and gets any medic PMs, well, that's a done deal. And I assume that MTF would notify the town immediately if anything were strange in his neighborhood. Or are you suggesting something else? From what I can tell, your plan just includes an unnecessary middle man? Uh what? mafia can stack kills, yes. They can also abstain but that's not in their interest - they might as well stack kills in that case. | ||
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Misder: First game post imo (#184) saying that lightning is not a clue (a good observation, at the time). #270: clue analysis, three things (YellowInk, crate, MooCow) #649: returns from being MIA, voted for BB because he couldn't decide between me and YI. Defends himself against a crappy (crappy meaning it was a stretch) clue accusation. more clue stuff - a recap of Thegilaboy's clues and a half-miss on "BurnFiveJuly". A mistake, but understandable, considering AFJ's profile (sorry this is what made me think you had bull posting - didn't realize 'burn' was in his profile). #677: calls AFJ out for dodging. points out a few more clues. #779: leans toward Deuce. Disapproves of double lynch, and advises to keep in mind the voting schedule thing. Voting: BB, then Deuce. Thoughts: a lot of clue talk now that I look at it. Try your hand at some people analysis not too many posts and not too long either, although most are a decent 2-3 paragraphs. Not bad not bad. The only thing that makes me suspicious of him is how focused he's been on clues. An easy pass for mafia (in this game) to look like they are contributing when they aren't. So I'm relatively neutral toward him. | ||
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The major problem I see with trying to lynch MooCow at this point is that we have like 8.5 hours left to vote. I'd rather lynch an inactive town-possible-mafia than lynch no one. There are currently 12 votes on Deuce (3 on Thegilaboy, 1 on MooCow). That's not even enough for him get lynched RIGHT NOW. We still need 2 more votes, and that's with me being mayor. | ||
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On June 08 2010 03:09 YellowInk wrote: Actually, 1 vote is enough to lynch someone so long as it was the first vote, no one has multiple votes, and no one has more than 1 vote on them. The rules here is target with the most votes hangs (tie goes to whoever was rallied up first). We don't need a majority. That being said, since everyone is (supposedly) eventually going to vote, this could easily be swung away from Deuce. I hope that others who are voting late see the logic of not allowing people to evade posting requirements. If we allow this, we'll just lose. Also remember that bare-minimum posting mafia still contribute to mafia KP even though they're basically doing nothing else in game. oh wow. flamewheel can you confirm? Just realized that I was assuming this game was majority lynch. There's only this "Essentially, you may not use your non-majority-decided death as a bargaining chip" in the OP that indicates it toward any way (unless I missed something). That being said, should we or should we not switch? | ||
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On June 08 2010 03:23 YellowInk wrote: @DTA I think you might be misreading the rule against using deliberate modkill as a bargaining chip? Well yea, but what I meant is that I don't see any mention of how lynching works other than right there. @pyro getting banned: pretty strategic if all but 1 of the mafia got themselves tempbanned for 2 days. lolol. | ||
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On June 08 2010 05:21 YellowInk wrote: Oh, hi Hugoboss21. Voting but no post? Better be hearing from you within the next few minutes. Wait what? I'm looking in the voting thread. Where? | ||
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So he seems to me like a red who doesn't care, or a townie who doesn't want to get modkilled, but doesn't mind being known as the worst mafia player I have ever seen. I'm not sure which is more likely. BUT, as a mafia, with this much heat on him, I would've expected a post from Deuce by now. And mafia IS more interesting than being a townie, though there are definitely inactive mafia. The reason why I'm leaning toward changing my vote to MooCow, however, is that AFJ has a fair analysis of him. His posts ARE rather bad, despite his relatively high post count. Which is suspicious to me, whereas Deuce is more an assumption based thing. | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:33 zeks wrote: 30 minutes and counting! Vote MooCow - read the last couple of pages if you need to know why *big sigh* one bad option vs the other. Will I regret it if I switch ? lol. | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:40 zeks wrote: I don't really get how some of the people who vote for deuce think he's gonna flip green anyway .. if you think he's green then don't vote for him If it were upto me I'd rather lose MooCow as a green than deuce as a green. The thing is, it's possible that Deuce is red. Just less likely. On June 08 2010 10:40 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: If we knew for sure this game wouldn't be too fun, now would it? lol. true. Everyone, I'm switching to MooCow because a) it still requires two of you for that to follow through, so I won't feel as guilty if we mislynch and b) his posting behavior IS really off. I disregard most of his recent posts because anyone will step up their game when their put in spotlight. When I was on the chopping block as mafia in PYP I had a great defense imo, the math just wasn't in my favor. That, and there was only like one person backing me up, haha. But yea - reasons have been given, but things I'm basing my vote on: - playing the newbie card over and over. - bandwagon-y voting / support in terms of voting - high post count, low contribution level Hmm. Those are the main things. There are more, but I want to show people so that they can read this before voting. | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:42 zeks wrote: Now that Darth and oni has decided to switch (right darth? it would still be 11-10 for deucefucking deuce had to vote for himself .... looks like he actually managed to kill himself off the game Well, technically, he was voted for first, so he would still be lynched at a tie. On June 08 2010 10:46 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: LunarDestiny, it would be very much appreciated it you stepped up and changed your vote. Even you are apologizing in advance for the deuce bandwagon. As zeks has elegantly put, MooCow's posting is doing nothing but confusing the town even IF he is green. So basically we lose a confusing green and get some information out of it, or kill a red. The alternative is deuce: 99% kill a green and get no information out of it, 1% kill mafia >< I agree - lynching MooCow will give us more information than lynching Deuce at this point. | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Votes for Day 2 Lynch Votes for Thegilaboy (4) LaXerCannon pyr0ma5ta CompX bumatlarge Votes for Deucegladlier (11) Deucegladlier YellowInk crate LunarDestiny littlechava Zyrre Thegilaboy MooCow deconduo Hugoboss21 MTF Votes for MooCow (10) AcrossFiveJulys DCLXVI Misder BrownBear zeks sputnik.theory onihunter DarthThienAn (x3) This is the optimistic outcome, 3 groups of voting the next person who switch would be very suspicious and a baller if he does it. This information might prove very helpful in the future. I am so tempted to move now. Tbh, I let the Deuce bandwagon go on purpose. More info for us. But I think he's fulfilled his role for me in terms of information gathering. Hence, MooCow, who leans a bit scummy to me. Not a whole lot, and in a normal situation i wouldn't push for this, but considering the alternative, I am. | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:51 crate wrote: Yes that's what I was referencing with my one hour remark. I know, I saw it. I decided to post that anyway <3 | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:54 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't think anyone especially mafia would take the risk and change he vote now. But I am willing to do so. TBH, I didn't look up post from MOOCOW so... AFJ and Misder summed it up pretty well in recent posts. I mostly agree with them. | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:57 flamewheel wrote: Rofl. On June 08 2010 10:58 LunarDestiny wrote: Flamewheel, what ROFL? I screwed up or did I made you rewrite your mod post? Was just gonna say, now he has to make a new mod post. lol. On June 08 2010 10:59 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: holy shit when the night post comes up im either going to fist pump or plan to get myself modkilled! no strategic modkills! lol. | ||
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On June 08 2010 11:01 crate wrote: By the wording, it's not even a strategic modkill because it doesn't help AFJ's team. lol. I don't even understand the "or" part of it. What is fist pumping supposed to suggest? I mean, I assume that's if MooCow flips red. And if he's town, he's gonna punch himself in the face. Whatever! I was joking anyway lol. | ||
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On June 08 2010 11:03 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: best comeback bandwagon ever amirite? lol. yea. Lucky you had me. On June 08 2010 11:03 bumatlarge wrote: wait should i be switching votes, holy crapoly, i think ill just stay on gila boy i guess... ... just ... man. lol. Are you trying to emulate Deuce, now that he's alive? | ||
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On June 08 2010 11:05 crate wrote: Hey guys. I think ... there might be MAFIA in this game. I think there might be TOWNIES in this game. | ||
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On June 08 2010 11:12 littlechava wrote: How the fuck can you be inactive as the vigilante. That's the coolest role there is. Well. Until you use it that is. lol. But yea: + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2010 11:10 LunarDestiny wrote: ![[image loading]](http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/2/7/7/9/3/9/a2926156-219-Facepalm%20jesus-facepalm-facepalm.jpg) At least now we can take a look at them bandwagons though, eh? | ||
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*Important. Give me your opinion.* LunarDestiny: + Show Spoiler + Posts since the game began: 122 (I think. He has a lot) I start with post 130. Note that this will be post by post analysis. Voting history: DarthThienAn for mayor, then YellowInk. Deucegladlier, then MooCow for lynch day 2. Notes: + Show Spoiler + Bolded numbers signifies an example of him contributing / his important posts. #130 “Should we roleclaim or not?” – drops the matter pretty quickly lol. #136 irrelevant #141 meh #155 meh #157 suggests that Flamewheel the Cute might be a clue – this was disproven. #240 supports me for mayor, reason – I am knowledgeable and got screwed last game. #263 elaborates, explaining that I’m a good player (<3). Supports lynching inactives (as I do). Gives advice to DTs, medics, vigilante. To DTs: “Do not do what YellowInk is telling you. His action is very suspicious and those who are suspicious should not run for mayor before they are cleared. “ also advises early rolechecks (I approve). To Medic: protect active pro-townies. Vigi: standard “stay back.” Pretty solid advice. –note, suspicious of Yellow because of clues and running for mayor. #266-68 disapproves of forcing the “DT linking scheme”. More bashing on YI. Disapproves of any clue-linked mayor candidates. #273, 275, 277 Darth best candidate, Yellow no. Pwning Yellow, lol. #296 unrelated #298/299 saying it’s important to have town mayor, ok if pardoner is mafia. #302/303 says there’s heat on the elected mayor/pardoner, because mafia are likely to get at least one elected. #306 Pro Mafia Excel List #312, 319 unrelated #324 asserts that I’m not necessarily a good candidate, but I’m the best atm. #330 advises Yellow to stay away from strongly-worded posts that make him look scummy. #336 “INACTIVE please step up” #348 stresses previous point about having a town mayor, even with a mafia pardoner. Suggests lynch pardoner day 2, assuming town mayor. A noncommittal/lazy suggestion, didn’t follow up / get responded to iirc. #351 asking about modkilling inactives. Wants to lynch (day 1) clue-linked inactive (as did I) #367, 369 says YI posts a lot. Thinks that he’s town based on his (Yellow’s) “Think about it; I post too much to be mafia” argument, which is legitimate (though I word it otherwise, it’s a long argument). Etc. etc., switches his vote to Yellow, advocates Yellow for mayor now. #377 restates why he’s voting for Yellow. #381 Thinks Yellow’s arguments suck, but that he is still protown based on attention-attracting. Emphasizes the importance of having a pro-town mayor again. #383, 384 Follows up on me PMing the inactives to get in the game. #403/404 expresses his confidence in me/YI being pro-town. Comfortable with me as pardoner and YI as mayor because of the nature of the roles and our styles. #410/411 doesn’t think BB or zeks is mafia because they only got one vote, but they could be because the support for me/Yellow could have risen too quickly for the mafia to commit. #417 hm, not much here – says that zeks doesn’t seem that stupid. #419 unrelated #423 notes that obvious clues are probably false. #425 begs for medic protect, labels self as other huge poster (aside from me/YI) #434 “Either Misder and BrownBear are mafia and Misder voted late.” …wondering why Misder voted for BB. More likely that BB is having bad luck. #439 example (using self) of how inactivity >> clues for lynch target. #445 asks AFJ if I PMed him (I didn’t) #448 Wonders where Icy/LaXer are. #468 advises me to look at the last minute bandwagoners (which I do ^^) + more begging for protection. #469, 473 Sweet post tally chart. #477, 482, 484, 486, 487, 489, 494 unimportant (after end of day 1 post) #499 active posters are targets for mafia. #501 more advice to the blues, tells DTs to hold off on letting information out and Vigis to hold off. #514, 515 Mafia are generally less inactive than townies, or they spam. Brags a bit. #540, 541 explains his method of judging inactivity. #547, 549 disagrees with Yellow’s anti-inactivity plan, because mafia can satisfy it and sit back whereas real townies won’t necessarily follow it. #569 unimportant #586, 588 confirms onihunters’ math. More “protect me” lol. #595 says that me/YI are unlikely to be mafia. Says we need to trust them (us? me and yellow, lol grammar) #600 more about AFJ’s inactivity (an elaboration), backs off, but AFJ needs to step up. #604/605, 607 uhh. His response to Night 1 results. Not much there. Realizes he wasn’t targeted (lol) #610, 611 looks at ElyAs’s posts. Gives the important one. #613, 623, 626 some clue stuff. #631 calls the person who was hit to step out. Advice for dts to pm their confirmed townie. #635 thinks DTs should come out, just because of the math. Mentions that he might be godfather =p. #640 calls the find on TGB and Twilight Fortress brilliant. #642 unimportant #644 wonders why barth was targeted as he was relatively inactive. #646 uhh unimportant. #661 suggest cluechecking TGB. #665 unimportant #682/683, 686 analyzes MTF’s posting. #710 Calls out Deuce for posting in Kpop but not here. (This is after Deuce’s post) #720 Calls pyro out on not spending enough time in the game, despite being active in TL. #734, 736 some math, unimportant #738 notes that Deuce’s outside post are “decent” unlike his post here. #746 de-emphasizes clues. #747, 752 Points out the voting-at-the-same-time between Deuce, LaXer, pyro, and CompX. Suggests they might be mafia together. Votes for Deuce based on this (and everything else). #756 basically says TGB-clues are disproven/he has discarded them. #761 comment about time zones. #764 more about “TGB clues are weak” #767, 772, 775 Deuce > TGB #777, 780 Points out that LaXer had one of the worst ideas I’ve seen this game. #782 unimportant #800 MTF is prolly innocent. #810 eh. #815 advocates more for Deuce #895 unrelated #923 Favors keeping the active posters (this is during the intense period just before voting ended). #928, 932 not much here. #945, 953, 955 is tempted to switch, switches. More stuff recently that I’m not going to analyze because I haven’t looked the thread since. *Thoughts: Looking at him this closely, I realize that he’s not as pro-town as I originally though. His posts aren’t as great as I thought, and anyone can make up pretty charts – mafia especially would be attracted to doing that sort of thing because it’s an easy way to appear pro-town while not actually contributing. He doesn’t have all that many great ideas, tbh. Things that stick out to me: -Cries for medic protection. Possible mafia move to take medic protection away from other people – he emphasizes this more than he needs to which is why it sticks out (even doing a follow-up wondering why he wasn’t hit. An “innocent” act imo) -lol, both days he advocated for one person, and then ended up switching to the other side. The Darth -> Yellow switch is more significant (he may have been following the crowd on this one. Is he a sheep-herded townie, or is he a mafia trying to follow the bandwagon?). He doesn’t like Yellow, or his play style, but he votes for him because of Yellow’s “poor logic” which says that a poster as active as Yellow is probably not mafia. The one from last night is an interesting situation because he said so himself – whoever makes the killing switch is going to look really suspicious despite being “baller”. He’s the one that ends up doing it, which instinctively isn’t suspicious, unless you think that he might be playing mafia mindgames. The initial comment is what makes this suspicious to me, because he had sided heavily with Deuce and not pegging active posters, but then ended up switching “reluctantly”. Something to note. -Thought he has a high post count (possibly the highest of us all), a lot of his posts are fairly short – a few paragraphs at most – and he often does a rapid-fire posting style where he posts several times in the same time frame, and not necessarily in response to recent things (like a posting conversation). Instead, some things are edits, about 10-20% of his posts are unrelated/unimportant, and about 20% of his posts could have been combined, imo. So don’t be fooled by his high post count – he’s only contributing as much as maybe MTF or crate, maybe me in terms of length. In terms of CONTENT, he’s lacking imo. A lot of game theory, etc. He doesn’t give good, solid analysis on specific people at all, or if he does, it’s very short and only happens a couple times (I can’t think of any times). -Someone has mentioned that he’s overly suggestive about being GF, and it’s true, but this is just bonus. So, to cut this short, I think it’s likely that LD is mafia. He’s the perfect example of an active poster who’s not actually contributing all that much. A lot of his posts are just responses to people with really obviously bad ideas. Maybe I’m being harsh on him because I expected more from my original impression, and maybe I’m just as bad. But, tell me what you guys think. Possibly connected to: Dude I dunno. Me, YellowInk, MTF, TGB, the people he accused, screw this, I dunno how to do this lol. LD YOU POST TOO MUCH KTHX. I DONE WITH ANALYSIS NOW. | ||
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On June 08 2010 13:37 DCLXVI wrote: Well that was quite the eventful vote. So much for me thinking that my vote switch would amount to nothing... Where does this put AFJ? no mafia could be stupid enough to try to convince the town to switch vote to a townie that obviously - unless he thinks that we will think that. I guess deuce is a much better lynch target now since we switched away from him and hit a townie. Is it too early to use a double lynch? - as in should we save them. I think this puts deuce and AFJ on the same side, whether it be townie or mafia, or at least deuce mafia if AFJ is mafia. We have to vote to use the double lynch the day before. So we'd have to agree on a double lynch on day 3, and we would use the double lynch day 4. A long process, but one I think would be good at this point. We should be able to get some good clues tonight / some more leads on people, etc. It's unlikely that AFJ is mafia since Decue had such a high vote count UNLESS 1) Deuce is mafia and 2) AFJ is mafia along with zeks, and some of the others who voted. On June 08 2010 13:40 Hugoboss21 wrote: Damn a vigi modkilled? that suxs. SrY, didn't know w/ school it would be hard to follow this game much. I'll try to be more active =/ Lame excuse zzzz. -_-. On June 08 2010 13:46 Zyrre wrote: Shouldn't all mafias have tried to vote for and convince the town to lynch MooCow? If deuce is a mafia, they obviously would rather have MooCow lynched. If deuce is townie, they would still rather have MooCow since he was more active. Less activity makes it easier for them to lurk and hide. Now they most likely wouldn't risk to start the bandwagon, but rather jump on it later. Those who voted for MooCow were: AcrossFiveJulys DCLXVI Misder BrownBear zeks sputnik.theory onihunter DarthThienAn (x3) LunarDestiny That's a fairly short list considering there are 6 mafias. Can't be completely certain they are all in there obviously, but starting with these guys should be the best option. I'll agree. This list is a good place to look. I wouldn't bet on 6 of them being in there though. Maybe 2, at most. BUT! On June 08 2010 14:03 MTF wrote: I agree that it is a good place to start. However, I encourage town to be wary of using this list as a sort of end-all solution to catching Mafia. Assuming that the outcome was positive for Mafia no matter who was lynched, they'd have likely spread their votes between all three candidates for lynching, rather than pile on MooCow just because he was more active. That's the kind of move that traps you later on in the game, and I like to think that the opposition has more sense than that. Use the list as a guide. Analyze me by all means (I'm pretty sure my posts haven't been THAT great all game). I looked through LD already fairly closely - feel free to double check my analysis if you're up to the challenge of going through all his posts lol. Personally, I already stated why I preferred lynching MooCow over Deucegladlier. From my perspective, the Deuce bandwagon had already formed. Like several people pointed out (some in PMs to me), there was a LOT of Deuce-hate. I'll agree that he was retarded, etc.but there were some pretty random voters out there - it's the people who vote without a good explanation that you have to watch out for. I'll have to go back and look at that voting group more closely soon. Lynching MooCow, on the other hand, offered much more information. I wish it was earlier so that more people could have been given the opportunity to switch, but even seeing the switchers now will give me more information, especially since MooCow flipped town. The people who were posting in thread and here for that potential switch BUT DIDN'T SWITCH are less likely to be mafia to me, because as Zyrre said, MooCow is a better target regardless of Deuce's alignment. But the people who simply weren't here don't get that bonus credibility =p. It's not certain that anyone in the MooCow voter list is mafia, but it's another step to them being potential mafia. Looking quickly, I don't remember sputnik offering any explanation at all. AFJ and Misder and zeks had fairly convincing arguments as well - I'll have to look closely at those to see whether or not they actually make sense if you think about it. I forget why BB and onihunter switched. | ||
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On June 08 2010 22:50 LunarDestiny wrote: It is to the mafia's benefit that a medic waste his night protect on a mafia to decrease the chance that mafia's target be killed. uh.... you mean, to increase the chance. If I am really a townie as I claimed, it is to the town's benefit that I take the mafia hit for our blue role (damn Icysoul and your wasted day kill ability). True to an extent, but a) most townies don't play sacrificial lamb and b) I'd rather have an active townie than an Icysoul. Everyone can make chart Darth missed a critical reason for this. In the last mafia game I played (Bang Bang Mafia) where I was the godfather, I also made some kind of charts for town and the mafia as well. In the mafia thread, I stated that if I make the chart about who can be who, the mafia's version of the chart would be better than town's chart. you made a chart last game? Oh, for the mafia. Well, yea, that IS something I missed. Your charts help the mafia more than the town! Less content posts and high post counts are always the characteristic of my post If you check the past mafia game I played (3 kingdoms and bang bang), you will see that my posts are very similar to posts to this game. I think I gotten better after each game I played so my content in this game might be even better than my previous two games. You were town in 3K, and mafia in bang bang. hmm... eh. This defense is iffy to me. My playing style is somewhat different Even though this game has clues pointing to mafia, I don't emphasis too heavily on them because the clues are vague and can be very misleading. I only relate to them if I want to make a counter claim. I prefer to use behavior analysis and other kind of analysis (like voting timing, activity in game, reaction to post) that are somewhat unique. Same here. Which is why I like your style. But you haven't even (iirc) offered up all that much behavioral analysis. After the result of night 1 that I might have wasted a medic protection, I decided that I want the town to win even if it costs my life. I have regularly pointed out my actions in this game are very suspicious because I had too much influence on the game. If you wanted to save a blue role, why'd you cry for medic protection . OK, let's say you had a change of heart after night 1. But, in my opinion, night 1 was good for us. Only 2 people died, and they were regular townies. Pretty good for night 1.I started both bandwagon for Darth and YellowInk (who both I still believe are pro town because of pming to inactives (who the confrimed barth is dead as a townie) and posting history respectively). I prevented a possible bang wagon of lynching TheGilaBoys because the lack of concrete reasons for the lynch. Looking back, I never really state very good reason for lynching Deuce except for his inactivity and almost zero contribution to town. But I kind of rallied the bandwagon for lynching him because I think he is a better target than TheGilaBoys. I changed my vote to MooCow not because I have my reason doing so but my feeling that Deuce is mafia is not strong and others have strong belief that MooCow is mafia. Fair enough. Now what to do for me: 1)I can be more passive and not start any band wagon in the future. And deal with my case in a later time. 2)A detective could probably clear me of doubt being mafia. I don't recommend this before the Miller is still not to be found. As the number of people alive in game decreases, my chance of being a miller increases. Again, a dt check still doesn't clear me 100% because there is still the suspicion of me being the godfather. Either way, I think detectives should use their checks on others. 3)Lynching is the third choice. My influence on the game is debatably the highest in the game. I still feel good about my influence on the election. But my influence and decision on day 2 lynch turned out to be bad. Maybe if we lynched TheGilaBoys or Deuce, a mafia will be killed. To clear confusion in town, the best possible decision is the lynching of myself but it will waste a lynch. The alternative is to do a double lynch of me and another person so that the is will be quicker to lower the kill power of the mafia and to avoid mafia having more influence to the lynch voting. 1) irrelevant 2) why are you so concerned that you might be miller? Worried that DT check might return SCUM? But you're right, no DT check is 100%. 3) Your "influence" ... tbh, I'm not sure about this. People like MTF, I'm sure about their "influence" or contribution to the town. But even with your many many posts, I'm not sure if you've contributed all that much. Playing the "resigned player" card again? =p. "Oh I'm going to die night 1." "Oh lynch me, but it'll be a waste" On June 09 2010 03:15 LunarDestiny wrote: Shit, why was my respond to darth that bad? Time to reiterate. When examining my case, you have to ask yourself why he did this? The best prove of my innocence is probably the mayor election. I won't take much credit for Darth being elected as mayor (although I was his second vote), he was trusted by the town to begin with. For YellowInk, can I take some credit for him being the runner up? My choice of supporting him is correct, because he turned out to be one of the most helpful poster. Yellow contributes quite a bit, but that doesn't necessarily make him not mafia. You two could easily be mafia together. This is unlikely though since you tore him up so much in the beginning. What's more like likely is that he is town and you are mafia jumping onto his ship because voting for him will put you under less suspicion than the bandwagoners who voted for me. Now, for the explanation of asking for medic protection. I thought I was attracting a lot of attention. If the mafia wants to find a target, I might be a likely target so I asked for medic protection. From day 2 onward, I never asked another medic protection because I realize that the death as a townie, rather than a blue role, benefits the town. It's true, you never asked for protection again. But maybe that's after you guys failed to even kill 3 people, or even 1 blue, night 1 =p. I argued against lynching TheGilaBoys, because the reasons for lynching him is very flawed. My choice for lynching Deuce is because he was a better target in comparison. A reasonable explanation, but anyone who was around could have done the same. It wasn't hard to defend TGB - all you needed say was "lynching inactive > lynching clues" Lastly, my switch to MooCow. I will say that choice is 50/50 since we don't have solid evidence that either is mafia. Weighting inactivity against possible suspicion, I finalized the lynch because I don't think anyone else is willing to be that final person. Weren't you the one who said "I would never lynch MooCow or TGB over Deuce"? But yeah, I'm not going to focus too much on that last lynch since it was a difficult situation. I never thought I will hide anything for town and tried to play as explicit as possible. If you guys thinks that is some kind of mind game, I won't argue with that. Again, I strongly against having a dt check on me since it might not prove anything (miller/godfather). Better solutions are to trust me or lynch me and get it done with. zz. Or, if you were actually a townie, you would say "DON'T WASTE A LYNCH ON ME, FIND MAFIA." >_> On June 09 2010 03:18 LunarDestiny wrote: Also forgot to say, I am being sure I was the first to roleclaim (with pm) to both darth and yellowink as townie since I made no hesitation after being asked to do so. 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+ Show Spoiler + On June 09 2010 02:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Look YI, I feel bad about the MooCow situation but I don't think it hurt us any more than lynching deuce would have. I'm not going to be doing things any differently just because of it. My post was more of whether we should ask vigi(s) to hit someone or whether we should ask them to hold off for tonight -- because we've done neither afaik. I would hope that if you are a vigi and are trigger happy tonight you've selected a very good target. Otherwise, as YI said, my opinion is that you hold off. Vigilante could hit Deuce. But that might be a bit of a waste - it gives us a tiny bit of information, whereas we could save the hit for later. I also lean toward no, save it. | ||
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agreed. I've already explained myself, had a similar reason - more info yo. The person whose reason I'm DYING to hear is of course.... Deucegladlier, lolol. People I don't recall reasons for (but this is just my memory): littlechava Zyrre TGB (he may have just been voting for not himself) deconduo Hugoboss21 MTF (? maybe he did) DCLXVI sputnik.theory onihunter (I remember he said he switched, as promised, but I don't remember what he promised) Oh, and everyone the TGB list too. Yeah. This is just my memory though. Don't be offended if you're on the list and had a good reason lol. | ||
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On June 09 2010 04:38 bumatlarge wrote: I dont think saying "dont rolecheck me because mof millers and gf" really helps you arguement as everyone can make that excuse, and by that logic rolechecks are useless becaue you cant be sure, which is bullshit because our entire strategy this game has revolved around "feelings" and "pretty sure" guesses. and look at all the mafia weve killed so far with our brilliant logic. Well, I mean, I don't think LD is worth wasting a rolecheck on. I don't know if I said anything else about that. Stepping away from LD for a sec, in general, as a DT, I would trust my rolechecks. Assuming 2 Millers in the game, you have like a 10% chance (maybe 15ish now) of hitting either of them. And rolechecks should always be supplemented with posting behavior. I mean, DTs shouldn't be rolechecking randomly, they should be rolechecking based on the posts in the thread. So yeah. To the DTs: go with your gut on your rolechecks. and dont even bother lunar i bet i could write the same thing darth did about everyone in this thread. dont get me wrong darth thats a very impressive analysis, but its founded on posts and assumptions. mafia can say anything and analyze jst as well. The only concrete information we can get is through roles and lies. if we can catch a lie and get DTs builing up a foundation of checks that he can issue through a mouth, then ill start making assumptions on a persons motives when the actual heat of being accused is brought on someones shoulders. it should be after this night that dts have built up something, or else stumbled on 2 mafia which would make for a huge turnaround. again posting from a phone so i apologize, i just dont want this kinda mindset enveloping the town when i get back. That took me awhile to understand lol. I read: "dont even bother, lunar, i bet i could write..." instead of: "dont even bother lunar, i bet i could write..." Anyway. Of course it's founded on posts and assumptions... what else would it be founded on? I read posts, and I interpret them. Then I look at the big picture. That's what analysis is.. And, well, if we waited around for our blues to do all the work, we would lose pretty easily. >_> which is why we do analysis. And tbh, from where I'm standing, LD don't look so good right now. | ||
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On June 09 2010 11:09 LunarDestiny wrote: To answer some of your questions: I never played a mafia game with clues before. No, I am not a native speaker. Well, night is ending and I don't know if I have to thank Darth for accusing me of being mafia which makes me a bad target for the mafia. Yeah, this was actually my secret method of keeping you alive for at least another day =] | ||
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On June 09 2010 11:46 flamewheel wrote: A few more minutes, and it'll be good to go. You're killing me. I thought it was up T_T. | ||
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On June 09 2010 11:48 littlechava wrote: f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 littlechava (Vanilla Townie) has died | ||
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On June 09 2010 11:51 zeks wrote: wait don't we have some inactives dying too tonight No... I hope not. I think each "cycle" is considered a full "day," so the next cycle would end after day 3? | ||
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After the last townsperson had left the town square, pyr0ma5ta picked up the pace. However, he failed to notice that somebody was pursuing him as he made his way back home. pyr0ma5ta lived on the outskirts of town, and he had almost made it back home before he sensed somebody behind him[/b]. --He noticed someone, thought it took him awhile. A fail-stealth. However, pyr0ma5ta was undeterred, and slowly turned around, reaching for the handgun that he kept hidden in his back pocket. Before he could withdraw the gun though, something flew through the air, blinding pyr0ma5ta as it hit him in the face. Why blinding him? And "something" in the air. As he clawed at the suffocating object, it released an electrical shock that brought pyr0ma5ta to his knees. Sci-fi?? What is that? As he lay there, stunned, he heard footsteps approaching him. The last thing pyr0ma5ta would hear was the sound of his killer's heavy breathing. Heavy breath - a big person?, though some might toss it aside as regular fatigue. AcrossFiveJulys was on the prowl this night, he knew full well that in this city, it had become a survival of the fit. He was hoping that the mafia would slip up, and creeping up and down streets through the shadows, and checking every alley revealed nothing. Sighing, he moved into the local bar that he knew would still be open at this hour. Snagging a pint from the bar, and then sitting down in a booth, he sighed in frustration. After he finished his beer, he ordered another, then another. By the end of the night AcrossFiveJuly’s had no idea who stabbed him, but he was left dead all the same. He was at a bar - someone who drinks? And, lame, not great for clues -_-. All we know is that AFJ got really drunk and was blatantly stabbed. (This off the top of my head) | ||
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I got my information from a source. yo. onihunter is mafia Chances of him being miller? Meh, forget it. I'll take my chances. Lynch him today, lynch 3 Lions tomorrow with some other person (vote for double lynch as well) | ||
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If you like clues, he had the swimmer clue day 1. =p. maybe some others. I dunno and I dun care. Let's kill this fool. | ||
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On June 09 2010 19:01 deconduo wrote: Wow, some more interesting revelations from the night, but a few things we need to be really careful of. First of all, its really close to a mafia win right now. If we lynch wrong today, its almost certainly a lost cause for town. Its 16-6 maf/town right now. 1 bodyguard and both our vigilantes are down. Town kill power is just our double lynches right now. Oni could be a miller. The DT claim could be a fake. How can we trust Darth's source? How can we trust Darth even? Why would the DT claim to Darth? Also, Zyrre posting a condemning analysis on oni and then suddenly, a DT has a guilty on oni. Just a small coincidence? I'magainst lynching off clues, but right now the ones pointing at 3-lions are a bit too much. I trust Darth somewhat, but we need to be really careful right now with who we lynch. Hm. The town's not in a great spot right now, but it's far from being in the worst spot. Mafia messed up twice with hits on MTF. It's like a normal game at this point (including the modkills), except we haven't hit any mafia yet. And sure, we lost of vigs (pretty huge, would help right now actually) but it's better than losing our DTs/medics. onihunter could be miller, but from Zyrre's brief post analysis, I'd be willing to trust the rolecheck. Why wouldn't a DT claim to me? I'm the mayor and I think I've proven myself to be town at this point - it's not 100% but it's a lot better than than majority of the town. As DTs, sometimes you have to take risks/that extra leap of faith. And claiming to me/Yellow is a insta-easy mouth. It'd be a bold move for the mafia to fake DT claim with only two nights of stuff to offer. I can't say 100% or even 80% that my DT is legitimate. This lynch will help prove it first of all, but onihunter hasn't been the most pro-town person in the game. Zyrre's post was a while ago. It was really random analysis, and a pretty strong accusation at the time. If oni flips green, then Zyrre is most likely mafia with the DT. But for a mafia DT to claim to me and say onihunter is mafia really randomly is just silly to me. Why onihunter? He's not even a good townie to trick us into killing? There are better ones like crate, MTF, etc. MTF, especially - he's not 100% townie, so a DT check -> MTF is mafia would be fairly believable, and his contributions to the town are much greater than onihunter's. | ||
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On June 09 2010 22:43 Misder wrote: Double lynch tonight with oni and 3 Lions is what everyone is saying. Two questions to consider: Is the source reliable that told Darth? (Probably, otherwise if the real DT tells Darth, than the source would be called off) Is today's clues enough to point to 3 Lions? (I have no past experience in Mafia, and Im not sure if one day's clues is enough to point to one person. If someone can find more clues pointing to 3 Lions, I woul feel more confident in lynching him. I'll defend myself later. Can anyone explain exactly why they think Im mafia? We can't double lynch today. We're voting for double to lynch to be "approved" by the town today, we would actually be using it tomorrow. | ||
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On June 10 2010 11:36 onihunter wrote: me = You got to stage 5 fairly quickly. | ||
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On June 10 2010 12:43 onihunter wrote: Vote: Zyrre lolz. | ||
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CompX Why: "All I do is sleep" - barth was getting ready for bed when he got killed. There's also the tony the stone giant thing and the weight (which I know is a DotA reference, but still). It's not the strongest connection, but one I don't think has been pointed out before. DCLXVI pyr0ma5ta's death: "He knew that the mafia might target him for this, but it was his job." Why: DCLXVI's profile includes a statement that implies an acceptance of death - he always has a travel kit and is always "prepared for death." His quote "I can already see the ending" is somewhat suggestive of that ElyAs, how the killer magically got to the "end" so quickly. His profile is another one of the "winners." PIC = HOT CHICK! lulz. Anyone, his quote - "Babe Ruth blahblah" reminded me of the person who failed 5 times (which to me is a whole lot for an assassin to fail lol). "Strikeout king" there. Also, the hot chick's shirt says "BOOK." barth was in a library before he went to go to bed. He was looking at pictures, sure, but if there was a book with pictures of those girls in there, I'd read it too.. xP. Also, is that Hyoyeon in pajamas in his public profile? And what would this post be without: + Show Spoiler + And ^_^ Note: just pointing out a few more possible connections, not saying that they're any good =p. I'ma stop now. | ||
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MTF isn't bulletproof, as that's not a role in this game. -_-. I'm assuming that a medic has vouched to him so he'll have +1 townie in his book. Good place to start =p. | ||
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I'm good with the 3 Lions trade with TyranoS. lol. | ||
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On June 12 2010 11:02 Deucegladlier wrote: Woot, just saw a lot of people unvote for me. When do I get some popularity and some votes. ...wtf? | ||
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On June 12 2010 11:26 LunarDestiny wrote: Can't they stack two hits on the same person? One for the guard and one goes to yellowink. it wouldn't transfer through a bodyguard... would it? how would flamewheel decide whether or not the hit went to me or yellow anyway? | ||
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On June 12 2010 11:39 littlechava wrote: Or a fake medic that was told to save LaXerCannon figured out why. this is most likely, as the only people i can imagine laxer rcing / yellow telling someone who laxer is, is a medic to protect him | ||
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Furthermore, I and a medic that roleclaimed to me early knew that LaXer was BG. I asked [medic] to protect him, but Yellow overrode that decision apparently, told me "everything's taken care of" so I was like, "OK, you know more people's roles than I do, you delegate." I assumed at least one medic would go to the BG but apparently not... hence, I think either my medic is fake or Yellow's medic is fake/someone Yellow talked to is mafia. Too bad Yellow didn't trust me enough to let me know who they are/were -_-. | ||
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On June 12 2010 12:33 BrownBear wrote: Obviously LaXer must have roleclaimed bodyguard to mafia (which should be a teaching moment to everyone: If you are bodyguard, TELL NO ONE, not even the people you are guarding). Otherwise, shit like this happens. And to think we were so happy about doublekilling mafia yesterday... shit. So here's what needs to go down: Today, we have a double lynch. We need to use it very very wisely. People I am concerned about: zeks Hugoboss TheGilaBoy Misder Will be posting analysis on at least one of these fine gentlemen later. Tonight, a very important and dangerous thing has happened: both Bodyguards are down. Darth is naked. This is a bad thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if mafia decide to stack on him in an attempt to take him and his 3 votes out of the game. However, they may anticipate that and hit two random people instead while the medic(s) are tied up protecting Darth... ugh, problems. Ideally, we want to lynch 2 mafia today, because in addition to being awesome, that gives mafia only 1 KP going into tonight. Thus, only one medic on Darth every night is needed to ensure his safety, and if there are others they can protect other important town voices. In order to do this, we have to lynch wisely, this means that as annoying as he is, we can't lynch DeuceGladlier or another of the idiot inactives. As dumb as they are, their chances of being mafia are very very slim. We need people to provide clean, solid analysis on whomever they choose, but we need analysis on everyone, even the people we think are protown like DTA or crate. As such, I propose we do the following: You may analyze as many people as you wish. AT THE BARE MINIMUM, though, please take a look at the following playerlist: Player List: 1. TheGilaboy 2. Hugoboss21 3. Zyrre 4. crate 5. LunarDestiny 6. Deucegladlier 9. bumatlarge 12. littlechava 14. zeks 17. DCLXVI 20. BrownBear 22. MTF 23. CompX 25. Misder 27. DarthThienAn (Mayor) 29. deconduo 30. sputnik.theory Very simple, analyze the person below you. So I will analyze MTF, DCLXVI will analyze me, Misder will analyze DTA, sputnik.theory will wrap around to the top and analyze TheGilaBoy, etc. If you wish to analyze more than one person, please feel free to do so, but do this at the bare minimum please. And put some effort into it, even if you're analyzing a very very pro-town player, because they could always be a very skilled mafioso, or even the Godfather. OK GO OH WAIT IM TOTALLY NAKED. Yes that is the only thing I got out of your post BB. LD, I'll answer your question later, when it'll be less obvious who my DT is (only like 4-5 different people have posted so far, since the night ended). Mafia might not aim for me simply because, when it comes down to it, this is a game of numbers. They just lost two of their members in one day; if they want to win, taking me out by stacking hits is not a good decision. Furthermore, if we get two mafia today, they won't even be able to stack hits. I agree that inactives are no longer the priority here. If the other DT has any positive mafia, he should have someone he trusts tell us. This is assuming there are two DTs in the game, which I think there are, since Yellow hinted at it. | ||
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On June 12 2010 12:40 flamewheel wrote: Hai guys, apparently I suck at tennis now? Oops? Anyway, Mafia hit Bodyguard (LaXerCannon) and Townie Pardoner YellowInk with their kill power, so both died since Bodyguard was dead. The day goes on! Tennis? What? Is that where you went for the night? lol was jk. On June 12 2010 12:45 LunarDestiny wrote: But I thought lightning strikes at night... Not his lightning. On June 12 2010 12:44 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't think brownbear's analyze the dude under you works before there are some that are not as active as other. Eh, just do it. The overlap will be covered most likely by someone. This is a pretty standard suggestion this far into the game. | ||
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On June 12 2010 12:49 LunarDestiny wrote: Also, this is a typo or it is intended? As the rope was placed around his neck, he watched as laxercannon bled out over the ground How is it a typo? | ||
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On June 13 2010 02:50 BrownBear wrote: Deuce, at this point, is a waste of a vote, and I'm starting to think Hugoboss is too. I'm also wondering why it was that mafia chose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Both are pretty equally dangerous as town coordinators, but YellowInk's ability (pardon people) doesn't really hurt the mafia at all, and can actually help them if he accidentally pardons scum. Darth's triplevote is incredibly dangerous to the mafia if he's town aligned, and also, he had just gotten one of them killed. With the events of day 3, it is really confusing to me why the mafia would choose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Maybe I'm just being paranoid... but I'm a little concerned now. I was wondering about that too tbh. The main reason I can think of is that Yellow knew more people than I did = more dangerous as a town coordinator. I was in contact with like 3-4 people, including Yellow lol. If mafia are actually inside a town circle that knew about LaXer, they would probably know this. He was also more active than me recently. I might have got onihunter, but that was mainly because I was a voice for a dt. There's also the list that YI made. To verify my DT story, he's going to claim. I've talked it over with him, and we think it's the best route. Also, I'd like the second DT to claim to me with whatever info he has. This might seem scummy, but if we can build up a solid town circle, we can definitely win. Yellow mentioned a 2nd dt, so I know he's out there. Any info we can would be great, and I have two targets in mind for rolechecks tonight. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Game posts start at: 235 - no content. 271 - says that Yellow is pushing hard, potential GF. Similar comments as everyone else. Asks for people to verify me. 378 - says he's voting for me because YI is too suspicious. 438 - elaboration. 590 - nothing 670/671 - says lynching scummy behavior better than clues. 717/718 - votes to lynch inactives. 804 - votes for Deuce. 881 - "gets a bad vibe from littlechava and AFJ" 1060 - reason for his staying on Deuce = asleep. 1135 - doubtful on my call on onihunter. 1202 - votes for onihunter 1352 - more doubt on me and my DT claim against onihunter. Quick thoughts - his posting is extremely lacking, now that I look at it. The fact that he thinks onihunter might be miller and is constantly doubting people we now know are town is... interesting. | ||
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As a mafia, why would I allow myself to get into a position where I am forced to out my fellow mafia member, when I could have prevented it by just killing the DT and the townie in the first place? Of course, this depends on the DT having claimed to me day 2 a bit - but when he posts, he can confirm that as well. I was approached after night 1, partway into day 2. And because I think the whole "hit and let MTF get 'saved' so that he can get credibility" scheme is ridiculous, I'm trusting you with the name right now. | ||
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I'll say this: my second DT is unconfirmed as far as I know. He has no one to back up his claim, but it made sense to me to lynch bumat and either get a mafia, or get a fake DT. | ||
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The outcome if bumatlarge is green: you lynch me and I'm mafia. Mafia are down to 3, with only 3 voting power. Town has 13 - 1 - 2 (assuming perfect hits), 10 vs 3, still pretty good odds, especially if we still have 2 dts and 2 medics and 1-2 veterans in there. Does that sound good? If you disagree with this, then a) you're mafia b) you're being incredibly unreasonable or c) I can write out why your post doesn't quite work. MTF hasn't gotten back to me, but I told him the DT's name. I don't know why you say I don't trust MTF, it's him who [didn't] trust me as a knee jerk reaction to the night kills. | ||
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On June 13 2010 12:06 MTF wrote: 2. I did initially panic and felt that Darth might definitely be lying, but soon after he posted responding to me I realized how unlikely it was, especially considering the fact that we have two lynches today. 3. The only reason I'm responding so late to say the above is that I wanted to leave the post out to see who might jump on-board with me. (Ask Darth for confirmation if you need it, I informed him.) Yes bumatlarge, knee jerk. | ||
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On June 13 2010 12:51 Zyrre wrote: I am super inclined to lynch DTA at this stage. Here's why: 1. Two clues "...the sound of his killer's heavy breathing." Darth vader reference "he felt a weight push against him" Darth using the force Can't see these clues linked to anybody else 2. Forced to out onihunter He is most likely in touch with a real DT. He can't be sure that player has not told anybody else about his findings, therefore he needs to out oni or he himself will be under investigation. This invalidates his reasoning against MTF's arguments + Show Spoiler + MTF, if I'm mafia and have been in contact with my first DT since day 2, why wouldn't I have killed him by now? If you're gonna say that he had a third townie to accuse me if he died, then that's easily solvable - mafia get 3 KP in the beginning, 2 last night. Just kill the DT and the confirmed townie, makes for a nice clean job and the town loses a DT. 3. Extremely unlikely timing 21 hours after this day started(and any DT checks were delivered) bumatlarge posted some accusations against DTA. Within 3 minutes DTA claims that a DT told him that bumatlarge is mafia. Also changes his first statement that it was a cluecheck to it being a rolecheck after zeks asks what clue it was on (no obvious clue relates to bumatlarge) 4. Timing attack They kill both bodyguards, a vigilante, and YI right as we have double-lynch activated. If we lynch two townies at this stage, after the mafias night-slaughter we will be at 9 townies AND mafia will have 6 voting power(one or two modkills are also likely, making it almost certainly a lost cause). 5. Voting Two confirmed mafia voted him for mayor, and he was the swinging power to get MooCow. All this is just overwhelming, surely others must feel the same way? As for my second target, Misder seems like the best option. + Show Spoiler + Recent surge in activity, pointing fingers in all directions(DTA's proposed target, DCLXVI), and also quickly followed BBs suggestion that he investigate DTA. Odd conclusion, did have SOME hesitation in the middle of his ramble, but quickly discarded it. His last post indicates he blindly believes in DTA. Also followed the mafia votings. But more on that tomorrow, sleep time. 1. Like I've said before, clues are always supplementary to me. The heavy breathing could also be indicative of anyone big, ie. a Brown Bear. That was my first thought on that clue tbh (not necessarily BB, but someone big), although Darth Vader is a fair connection I guess. Hm. This is an interesting connection. But why wouldn't flamewheel just say "he felt a force push against him"? It reads casually enough, and would normally have the same meaning if you didn't think that it would be the Force. A weight != the Force imo. Maybe you think it would have been too obvious/too condemning? Hmm. Nah, look at the clues on 3 Lions (even if he got modkilled). Furthermore, if you're trying to stick to the Darth Vader theme, why would I not Force choke, rather than Force Push? This might not be the greatest defense; I'm not great with clues. Which is why I go with hard facts over clues any day. 2. uhh. Except I WAS sure about it. A DT has no reason to tell his role to anyone, except for who he trusts. On Day 2, my first DT claimed to me, along with a townie that he had rolechecked in our circle. I knew he wouldn't have told anyone else by then - how many people do you trust on day 2? - and if I were mafia, I would definitely take that chance. Kill a DT + confirmed townie early on, for the risk of the DT having told someone else? Sounds pretty good to me, tbh. 3. The fact that bumatlarge was online and posting at the same time as me is just coincidental. The fact that I got the cluecheck/rolecheck wrong is just carelessness. I read his PM, remembered "check" and assumed cluecheck because I had my two DTs mixed up (after two rolechecks, my first DT was forced to cluecheck). Ultimately, it's irrelevant, or you can look at it as a further indication that I am TOWN as being a mafia and mis-posting something that important to your plan is stupid. 4. The only way I would survive is if bumatlarge is miller/red. What I didn't realize is that since this game isn't majority lynch, both of the votes are settled at the end of the day, rather than having the first lynch go down immediately after "majority" is reached. But yea, a "timing attack" is a costly move, as (assuming bumat is green and I'm mafia) the next day, town lynches me instantly. Mafia down to a maximum of 3, assuming we don't get any today. But tbh, I'm not worried about this, since I know I'm not mafia, and bumatlarge has pretty much given up. 5. I had 17 votes, and Yellow had 9. 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On June 14 2010 05:59 LunarDestiny wrote: Also, if darth is mafia and is willing to sacrifice 1 of his member everyday to achieve his plan, I have no problem with 1 free mafia per day. oya, and I gave you guys a bonus one through modkill yesterday too, when I could have just had him lynched and saved onihunter for another day and left mafia with 3 KP. -_- Thoughts on my votes for the second lynch? 3 votes is a lot today since everyone is so scattered... I might go with hugoboss21 just cuz everyone else is, but he's like, Deucegladlier 2.0 or something lol. | ||
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How is the "leg explosion" thing related to me? And it's not like his legs exploded... "he felt a sudden explosion of pain in his legs" it's an explosion of pain.. -__-. | ||
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On June 14 2010 07:13 Zyrre wrote: + Show Spoiler + oya, and I gave you guys a bonus one through modkill yesterday too, when I could have just had him lynched and saved onihunter for another day and left mafia with 3 KP. Not sure if you are doing this intentionally, but MTF already said why you could not do this and I quoted him. Anyway, I was only pushing it this hard since DTA being mafia would be the only way we could lose this. But since I wasn't getting any reaction, I'll stop. Maybe I'm just overestimating the mafia. it was a joke t.t. Don't got to be all technical about it. | ||
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On June 14 2010 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: I am a green townie. me too. I'm totally green. anyway, + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On June 14 2010 09:30 BrownBear wrote: Should have added an undecided option to that poll, Darth ^^ I will vote in it after the results of today's lynch, because that will tell me all I need to know. I didn't think to, lol. 3 think I'm mafia? lol, still? T_T | ||
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Anyway, Vote for DarthThienAn! I'm going to get off TL now because I'm getting bored waiting for the lynch results. | ||
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TGB is town. onihunter is mafia. cluecheck to zeks is negative. DCL: LunarDestiny is town. cluecheck to zeks is negative. bumatlarge is mafia. | ||
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I have no idea about clues tbh. All I know is that crate killed Incognito.Also, yea. crate and I are GGing cuz we don't want to play out another 4-5 days with 1 KP. lol. flamewheel's gonna post when he's back from dinner. | ||
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and i was like... oh... okay xD flamewheel afk. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.capespirit.com/Cape%20Town%20December%20night%20South%20Africa%20Cape%20Spirit%20Travel%20photo.jpg) Night 4: DarthThienAn was stood looking down at his town. He looked around, noting one particular individual in the crowd. Then he looked to either side. On his left hung Hugoboss21. And on his right hung bumatlarge. The town's cries overpowered any of their pleas for mercy. Looking at the town one final time, DarthThienAn said, "Now! Let justice be down!" And with that, bumatlarge and Hugoboss21 were lynched. As the town cheered, DarthThienAn looked his companion, crate. They nodded to each other. crate walked onto the stage where bumatlarge and Hugoboss21 hung silently. Pulling out a gun, DarthThienAn said, "Let the mafia be vanquished." And with those words he shot crate and then, pointing the gun at himself, killed himself. bumatlarge the Mafioso has been lynched. Hugosboss21 the Mafioso has been lynched. DarthThienAn the Mafioso/Mayor and crate the Godfather have suicided. GG o.o | ||
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also, my picture has the fountain where Incognito died. | ||
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onihunter was for obvious reasons. I actually didn't have the foresight to kill off deconduo and TGB simultaneously (deconduo was the real DT btw), because I'm so used to a 1 KP mindset. That could have saved onihunter for a little bit longer, but at that point, I was stuck. It's unfortunate that 3 L had to get modkilled that same day. bumat, I could've handled better, but crate and I had already half given up during the night, foreseeing hugo's death, and a 50% chance of bumat getting lynched as well today. The Yellow/LaXer kill was mostly for the lols. I'm surprised more people didn't wonder about why Yellow got killed instead of me. | ||
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On June 14 2010 11:12 flamewheel wrote: Heh MTF's save was amazing. We (being Incognito and I) had hoped that the Mafia would try to hit him again Night 3. That would have made a record, since he was protected. Actions list coming up... argh this is going to be annoying to type. well I knew he was protected night 3 so :p @crate: Yeah I messed up in a couple of places. The whole LD thing was kinda unfortunate but YI and MTF knew about it. No one really called me out on it, which is why I didn't need to ask them to "clear my name". Honestly, I expected more townies to jump on it, but no one really did so that ended up being a dead end in terms of lynching. The MooCow thing was mostly funny. Interestingly enough, the town didn't suspect me all that much though. crate, you might have, were you a townie, but that worked out well for me I guess. The reason why I would pick MTF for town MVP is (other than clue analysis) his analysis was actually pretty on-target except for me and you. I'm pretty sure I saw him say that onihunter, bumatlarge, and hugoboss21 were likely mafia at some point, and 3 Lions, well the clues would have killed him, but he got himself modkilled anyway. That, and no one else really stood out to me. Mafia MVP either me or you, I had the town pretty convinced about my alignment, but I probably should have listened to you more and thought more things through first. Sloppy play on my part, but I'm still learning, so that's fair enough. =p. | ||
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On June 14 2010 11:26 MTF wrote: Indeed. I even voted town on your poll there.  Thanks, by the way, for the link to the Mafia thread. Interesting to see what the other side was thinking. (I'm guessing edits are okay at this stage in the game. :p) That thread is atrocious. A lot of me spamming. On June 14 2010 11:24 littlechava wrote: I was less suspicious of you (edit: Darth) after LaXerCannon/YellowInk died because he said he had another medic roleclaim to him. I thought the most likely situation was that YellowInk's other roleclaimer was a fake, but in retrospect that's pretty retarded. Obviously he would have cleared himself by saving MTF. Oopsies! I'm definitely guilty of not doing anything this game. I was way too lazy to put in the time I needed to to be a good town poster - if I ever play again I'll have to keep this in mind. Luckily there were worse people around =]! haha it was so funny that you didn't suspect me at all. I guess it was good that I could lie about YI knowing who the bodyguard was (he didn't iirc). | ||
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On June 14 2010 11:31 crate wrote: Oh god Darth if I were a townie I'd have been white-raging at you for being so stupid for killing MooCow. To make matters worse, onihunter vote-switched right before you (note how I never mentioned that in the thread). I don't know what to make of MTF's analysis because, honestly, the way I read it is that it's all from clues first and then behavior second (though I suppose there's some behavior component in who he chooses to connect to clues ... but the thing is that's entirely not evident when he's posting). Okay, sure, this was a clue-based game and so clues are part of it, but clues really don't feel like mafia to me, especially since TL hasn't had a clue based game in a long time. Yeah, but when you consider the alternatives? lol. =p. AFJ and pyr0 were decent threats, but didn't have the activity to back it up to be considered MVP imo. YellowInk maybe, but I don't know too much of what he did behind the scenes. It sounds like he coordinated well, but I feel like his posting wasn't all that great. Other than that, I can really think of anyone who sticks out to me. Another thing I noticed - deconduo was a DT in this game, and his posts were actually very mafia-like. I went through his posts earlier today, and wow, they were crap posts =p. It's good in that you hide from the mafia, but it's bad in that, a good town player would call you out on it. No offense though man, since you were 100% responsible for onihunter's death. And interestingly enough, he suspected littlechava as mafia, so I wonder what that says about LC xD. In general though... activity. meh T_T. I guess it's a newbie game though. And ohh... lol. I completely forgot about the "Darth" aspect of my name, and assumed the clues would be more related to my profile. What was the shocking object though? Force lightning comes from the hands o.o and as far as I know, Yuri/Seohyun don't have anything like that. | ||
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<3 Sica too. *spams gif with you* | ||
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And I've been tired of this game for awhile now T_T. would rather work on my setup. crate was just disgusted by the gameplay level xD. Yeah I know I played you and LD completely <3. | ||
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On June 14 2010 12:44 DCLXVI wrote: I never understood why people implicitly trusted you. I think I commented on that early on how people just "felt" that you were town and went with that. Your posts were quite neutral till day 3. me just so pro town man. | ||
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On June 14 2010 13:24 YellowInk wrote: Also, I'm in the IRC chat room but it appears to just be empty. Unless I'm in the wrong place. Let me know. Eh, I was in there for a bit. I think it's better to just talk in thread. | ||
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