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DarthThienAn
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On June 01 2010 18:54 flamewheel wrote: I instantly love you because of your profile :3 Sorry Bill, no. Too pro. I thought about posting a link to your profile in my public profile because I'm also a HUGE fan of Yulsic ^^. Yuri in general lolol. | ||
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On June 02 2010 10:45 flamewheel wrote: We're looking at Wednesday, Jun 02 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) to start this game. Tonight clues will be written, and I'll send out role PMs sometime soon. Did it start =o? ^^ | ||
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On June 03 2010 05:04 LunarDestiny wrote: I finally learn: You got to make a excel sheet when playing mafia games or you will be totally lost. low-tech Word ftw. =D. | ||
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On June 03 2010 07:39 Iaaan wrote: I saw this and I was like, How did I miss sign ups? But then I realized it just poped up out of nowhere O:! Have fun guys, remember not to be too polite/forgiving, everyone is a liar and should be treated as such! yea it was in the S&G forum just got moved over. On topic: I have an idea to differentiate between the inactive ppl and the newbies too scared to post. First of all, if you're new, don't be afraid to post. Just give your honest opinion, and things will work out from there. But, if you have no idea what to say, at least post a few times so that the rest of us know you're alive/there. ^^. So on to my idea: everyone should post something at some point during the first day (preferably early). It's relatively long (two days real time right?) so try to get it in by the first real day I guess. But, if you look at past games / games played before, you'll notice that a lot of inactives are targets of lynches. If you're town, and want town to win like you should, don't get lynched because of this! If we lynch you and you flip town, that's a lost opportunity at potentially hitting a mafia (with our random day 1 lynch lolol). So maybe just start off with an introduction of yourselves, and your favorite ice cream flavor, sc unit, SNSD member (keke), or whatever you want. Just make sure you get a post in =] so that we can hit the REAL inactives. ***Of course, if you would like to contribute actual analysis and useful information, that would be greattt :D. Example post: Hey guys, sup, I go by DarthThienAn. Just started playing TL Mafia a couple months ago (flamewheel's last game), but it's been a good place to pass the time and get rid of some boredom ^^. Favorite ice cream: cookies n cream Favorite SC unit: Dark Templar for the obvious reasons (standard build vs terran/protoss lol) Favorite SNSD member: Yuriiii <3. She was my facebook pic / desktop for awhile haha. I also like Seohyun and Jessica  . And for all the Yoona fans out there, Yuri >>> Yoona, especially now with that gross short hair.lol. | ||
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On June 03 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote: Hmm, first thing first. Should we role claim or not... nah, this ain't Ace's game. Roleclaim = easy target for mafia. There's absolutely no reason to roleclaim at this point, unless someone blue is going to get lynched - then they roleclaim, and we just switch to some other random dude. I've never played with mayor/pardoner/bodyguards/clues, but Bodyguards especially should NEVER roleclaim (honestly). If they're about to get lynched... that's a bad situation, but just defend yourselves appropriately. If you claim bodyguard, mafia will target you that night anyway. They can stack kills as well sooo. With 30 people, I feel like there could easily be 2 of every blue role. Which gives town a pretty good shot as long we don't fail hardcore =D. No third party to mess things up either. But yeah, blue roles should only roleclaim if they have a definite read on a mafia member (or two), and think it's worth it. Roleclaiming for no reason = either really stupid or scummy, in my eyes. | ||
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On June 03 2010 09:59 bumatlarge wrote: Lynching inactives can be a double edged, as mafia will refrain from posting in fear of being noticed, but people with townie roles wont take it as seriously, which was a HUGE problem in that 100+ person game with ace as mayor. Oh vey, but i think with only 30 people and month long timespan or so, we'd probably be best off if the clues arent enough to point any fingers. Well, since mafia don't want to help the town, their posts will usually be either really short, or else absolutely random crap, which crap logic. ^^ | ||
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On June 03 2010 09:53 MooCow wrote: Probably more interesting to play with people that are participating in the game rather than kill the people that are participating. E: Never played the game either, first time trying. Don't edit posts! =]. On June 03 2010 11:17 LunarDestiny wrote: Who is going to be the new mayor? No black (mafia) dude please. lol way to be racist =p. I'm Asian though so I don't care. -- Another possible clue: "Making his way down to the city center, he gazed at the buildings as he passed, the shopping mall that had just been built, the school he went to when he was a kid, just farther down the way a series of small stores and restaurants. " I haven't really looked at people's profiles, other than pictures, so I'm not sure if that's relevant or not =D. LOL at Inc being pro at dodging assassinations. +1 to zeks' pulling of clues. | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: Going afk for a while. But I want to leave what might be a clue: Flamewheel, the cute... some people were joking that That was like me and Korynne haha. I guess that could be a clue toward me, but tbh, I think it's just flamewheel embracing his new name. I don't remember if anyone was joking with us. I'm not sure why flamewheel and Qatol both died for no reason though. Why is flamewheel is red? Also, 5 assassinations attempts failed. 1 succeeded --- there are 6 mafia, not much to gather from that. The thrown knife, printer, and speeding car are definitely clues though. | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:27 zeks wrote: Although I've pulled out some clues please don't base your suspicion SOLELY off the clues. From past experiences I know clues from the first day or two aren't reliable when choosing candidates to lynch. It's much safer to have a stack of clues and piecing them together later. I think if we see an inactive who connects with a clue, that would make a much better lynch target than a random inactive =] | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:29 flamewheel wrote: Actually I'm pretty sure I go around TL calling people cute. It's spread into some sort of lulzy meme. Okay now seriously off the night. you're so cute. :3 (I only use that face for you flamewheel. lol) | ||
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On June 03 2010 11:41 MooCow wrote: My bad on the edit I thought it was safe to do before the actual game started. Looking at Zeks suspicions and browsing through the profiles, 3 ppl kinda fits 29_deconduo ( water and an Irish poem that might mean something?!) 7_onihunter ( 5 [five attempts] years swimming yea? i'm sure he knows how to float in a town fountain 4_crate ( I think he's the only one that mentions anything about a car in his profile ) @deconduo - I wish I knew what that poem meant -_-. @oni - pretty good call, a bit of a stretch, but with the kind of clues that are given, it's as fair as anything else. @crate - if you google what's his profile, it's actually about the probability of surprising events, and how we're surprised at things that might be more common than we think. But I'm not sure if the mods would have taken that effort (I personally was like, what's ARW 357?? and found out that way) to google it, so a good call, I think. On June 03 2010 11:38 jiabung wrote: just some random ideas. poison in coffee cup >>> TheGilaBoy (gila monster is the only venomous lizard in the US) burning hot ink >>> YellowInk @Gila - lol. nice job knowing what a gila is XD. @Yellowink - definitely a solid call. On June 03 2010 11:50 3 Lions wrote: I think this points to MooCow, because looking at his profile pic we see + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/8_MooCow.jpg) a picture also associated with the band Disturbed http://www.google.com/images?q=disturbed&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi Not sure though, could be a false lead as this is kinda vague. Wow, really nice catch. On June 03 2010 11:48 Thegilaboy wrote: All of the following ideas are in connection with the drowning in the fountain: LaXerCannon has the quote "just keep swimming" which applies to the drowning in the fountain. TyranoS_Nivek and MooCow both have the same public profile except for the last sentence, and in both of them it mentions treading water for 3 days. May apply to the drowning in the fountain. deconduo has a picture of a boat in his profile; a weaker connection to the drowning than the above mentioned users onihunter has been swimming for 5 years, connects to the drowning LOL at those two having the same thing. We have something like 4 people connected to the fountain - is it possible that flamewheel hinted to multiple mafia with one clue? That'd be prettttty sick. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/14_zeks.jpg (Shikamaru = Naruto character, ninja = throws knives, etc.) http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/18_TyranoS_NiveK.jpg http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/1_TheGilaboy.jpg | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:00 YellowInk wrote: Good evening, everyone. Tapping in for start of game. I see people are already very active about the clues. I've never seen mafia run with clues before, so this should be interesting. As already noted, there was a splash of hot ink and my name is YellowInk. Let me assure you all that I'm definitely pro town. Of course this only bears the weight of my word at this moment, but it should become clear in the coming days. I don't begrudge anyone for having me on their starting lists as potential red. I see that detectives can determine if clue X points at player Y an unlimited number of times, so a DT could check that if it becomes necessary in the future. Since I'm quite sure that this hot ink doesn't point towards me, such a check cleans me - even better than a role check since the godfather role masks roles. That being said, I'm wary of the application of clues. Use them as evidence. Use them to pressure people into talking. Use them to make a list that you can come back to in the future. They won't prove anything on their own without a DT check though. Lets get to work with the profile digging. Well, the thing about DT checks is that though they are 'unlimited' they are actually limited by time - 1 use per night obviously - so the DT won't get as many checks as you expect. We want to use our DTs wisely. Hopefully, with this setup and this many players, we'll have 2 of each major role though (medic, cop). | ||
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On June 03 2010 12:11 DCLXVI wrote: I suppose this thread may help quite a bit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118395 Understanding everyone's profiles will take a while I see. @ DarthThienAn how do you connect TheGilaBoy to a knife throw? his quotation? pics yo. It's the same for TyranoS's. A bit of a stretch, but I mean, the clues aren't meant to be like "OH A SITH CAME AND KILLED THE CUTEY FLAMEY." lol. + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2010 12:04 zeks wrote: Although flame hasn't said anything I'm pretty sure my assumption that mods pick each of the players roles is correct. In that case I present to you my conjecture: This mafia game was meant to welcome new players to mafia. However, with the large amount of new players, the game runs the risk of having too many inactives (we've had problems like that in the past). If I were a mod I'd definitely make sure I would have a couple proven active vets as mafia just to make sure that 1. Mafia is active and talking to each other 2. Mafia isn't made up of a bunch of complete newbies and end up getting destroyed Anyways the point of this is to take notice of the vets (theres only a couple) and what they do from this point forward. You can bet that one (or a couple of them) are the masterminds behind mafia controlling all the newbies and thats what will make the mafia dangerous. Actually, a lot of mods go random with their roles and setups... I know Ace and Caller did in their past few games. Can't speak for flamewheeel though, never asked. On that note, I think it's likely that a "vet" is mafia, just because of the numbers. We have ~8-10 returning mafia players, so I mean, 6/30 are mafia, pretty good odds that there are vets in the mafia circle. | ||
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What a cool thread! (the name thread) never saw this before lol. Anyone we know in there? (I just posted) | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:18 YellowInk wrote: Have you looked at my profile? There's nothing else in the entire opening flavor even close to linking to me, so if there's a clue pointing my way, it's the hot ink. If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3. Contrast this to anyone else who could run for mayor. There would be no way to even get close to cleaning them. If a mafia ends up winning this election, immune to rolechecks and no way to even try to investigate them, it can be absolutely devastating. Also, the DT can't use rolecheck 3 days in a row, but they can rolecheck consecutive nights. Your misquote of the rules makes me suspicious as to whether this was intentionally misleading or simply an error. I surely hope the real DTs read their roles carefully. I mean, to be fair, all your profile is is you repeating YellowInk over and over. So if the mods were to make a clue, it would be related to... well, YellowInk, not something like swimming or whatever. Until you prove what else the printer explosion could be pointing to, you're definitely suspicious as mafia. Why would we elect you as mayor, if you're suspected to be mafia? ... "If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3." Maybe that's what you want. Trade a mafia for a cop and take the mayor spot/protection away? On June 03 2010 13:23 zeks wrote: They can rolecheck consecutive nights now? I bolded the parts you were talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong. Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer: 1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check") 2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check") 3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check") X can be no larger than one sentence. Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. You may not use more than 2 Role Checks in a row. Clue checks have unlimited uses. My point is that you can turn negative from that clue check with the printer ink, but you can still be positive from another clue check down the road. Role checks are not Clue Checks. So... yeah. 2 role checks consecutively, max. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:29 MooCow wrote: I agree with Onihunter on this one, I too can't see why you would get hung earlier. Was going to say the same thing also at most people have only 1-3 things linking them to the day 1 clues and some of them are a bit of a stretch. So I assume any info the DT's find are told to everyone in this thread about clues etc? I believe only DT's know what they find. They can of course post their findings but that requires a roleclaim. | ||
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To whoever asked the question about Day 1 Lynch - "Mayor You won the election! You have to PM me before the end of Day 1 with the name of the player you would like lynched on Day 1 if you win. You can't choose the Pardoner as the Day 1 lynch victim. Your votes count as three votes instead of one. You cannot be Role Checked by a DT." so no, no votes toward day 1 lynch. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:46 YellowInk wrote: I will match this, of course. :D I have a love of games. You won't see me disappearing either. I have to say that I am glad to see so many people enthusiastic in here. It's good to see a lively start. Sounds good to me. I'm not sure why everyone's railing on your plan. It makes sense to me. I mean, combined with a promise of activity =p. On June 03 2010 13:48 MTF wrote: Haha, back from work to see the thread has already grown by four whole pages! Good to see activity. However, don't run away with the clues just yet, people. It is extremely easy to point the finger at any given person with such a limited pool of information. Go ahead and collect which words/sentences you think are relevant, write them down somewhere you can find them again, and then wait. We aren't going to catch anybody by the clues in Day 1 (supposing there even are any in said post). We need to find consistency over several days, first. Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to say that I am not going to be running for Mayor/Pardoner. I will, however, be watching all of you who choose to do so very closely.  Good luck to all, excepting the Mafia brethren. By the way, + Show Spoiler + ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup Decafchicken is clearly Mafia. Yeah the activity level is great. It might be that we have 30 players in this game, but hey, I'm not complaining. +1 on this post, minus the spoiler. Everyone read it twice. It's a good starting point, especially with directing the day 1 lynch, but we don't want to get TOO carried away. | ||
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