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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On May 11 2010 12:07 Korynne wrote: Hah, I knew it (Foolishness stealing CompVig from me). Yay town wins! =D *dancedance* Sorry I couldn't live up to your expectations citi.zen. =( You did well and voted correctly in the end. Great job! On May 11 2010 12:31 Ace wrote: Well look at it like this: Read over the Game on Day 1 and 2. Qatol was ASSIGNING roles - that's like blatant anti-town activity. You guys know nothing of his alignment, and then you willingly followed it? Nevermind that it's possible 3 people are going to be picking ahead of you. Scum also had the chance to say they know nothing of you or Qatol's alignment and you're buddying up to put a powerful role in someone's hands. Even if Qatol is scum and you were Mafia he'd have the perfect chance to call shots on who the CV hits as long as it isn't a scumbuddy. So many ways to just cause a big ruckus on Day 1 but Scum didn't pick up on it. Then it happened AGAIN with the CC situation. Sidesprang didn't even claim which sucked for scum but oh well. There were like 5 people before SS on the list, all claimed Vanilla. That means they all are telling the truth and ALL of them missed investigation roles or they are lying. Either way both of these scenarios don't mean SS = scum. Even if they are true SS can just say he didn't trust Qatol with the role and took it. Doesn't mean he is scum. Basically instead of trying to punish the town for tying picking order and role picks to alignment, the scum just sat back and let it ride. Town has no information roles and are making logical correct arguments that have tons of loopholes. If Zona would have pardoned SS(he didn't because SS didn't show up) or Darth then he also had a great argument to back him up. Likewise Foolishness could have told the town to shove it, and he'd kill whoever he wanted to after it was obvious he was CV. Town kept outting their own power roles (why?) so then he could have slammed you even further for trying to force him to RC when he didn't have to. So many ways to destroy the town but they seemed to be thinking like Scum and not thinking like Town. Yes, there were many confusing plays, which is partly why I acted so skizoid on Qatol all game. Zona correctly called him on his role assignment/number claim ideas (Zona could have had me vote his way at any time based on those early days - what he said made a lot more sense than Qatol's plans to me). At the same time, Qatol's number analysis was brilliant. The effect was a mix of respect and paranoia towards Qatol. To try to dig out more I purposely argued with him on anything for a while... but still couldn't make up my mind for good until Zona turned up red. Sorry Qatol! On May 11 2010 12:42 Korynne wrote: Hmmm... good points Ace. I definitely agree that Zona's modkill lost mafia the game. I don't buy Foolishness' argument for himself based on the fact that he brought up the inactivity (I didn't even notice people's inactivity really, seems like mafia would notice it more). Also like wtf no information roles. xD My issue with that claim was that it was Qatol who brought it up. Foolishness merely tried to take credit for it. On May 11 2010 12:45 Ace wrote: Yea Foolishness I have a question...why didn't you vote for citizen? Soon as he voted for you and Korynne DIDN'T vote but posted you should have tried to sympathize. She said "this obviously makes me innocent because I could hammer and end the game now". If you took that point seriously and voted on citizen you might have had a shot. He figured I had already changed my mind 100x times this game, so I'd be the easier person to sway to his cause. Too bad I was actually pretty sure about this one. Believe it or not, Bill's slip-up and Ace's ban follow-up played a big role for me, as stated before. I just could not see a mafia with the 3rd draft pick bring up the roleblocker story - it's SO much safer to just stay quiet. Anyway, GG everyone, I will take a break from mafia since the next few weeks will be crazy for me. It's been fun, thanks Ace. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
 Cough cough he's going to be playing SCII Beta... Also I'm watching your gameplay Qatol :3 | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 11 2010 12:39 Ace wrote: Yea I acknowledged Zona going afk screwed you over. Both scum lynches were literally down to "we have to do this because this # theory holds up" not necessarily because you did anything blatantly scummy. Ah well, I'll run this setup again albeit with a few different roles. Yeah, me dying because the numbers were convenient was pretty lame too >>. On May 11 2010 12:45 Ace wrote: Yea Foolishness I have a question...why didn't you vote for citizen? Soon as he voted for you and Korynne DIDN'T vote but posted you should have tried to sympathize. She said "this obviously makes me innocent because I could hammer and end the game now". If you took that point seriously and voted on citizen you might have had a shot. The way I would've seen that (if I was in Korynne's spot), him changing to go after citi.zen would confirm him as mafia, since he was so willing to switch targets (he had been against Korynne pretty heavily in the last few turns). Switching suddenly definitely would have been more suspicious. But yea, I think his killing Falcynn (you mentioned this earlier) was because that was the town CV vote kill, right? Although, I suppose he could have defended his going against that pick and such. Yeah, like I thought, a lot of the roles got missed. As soon as I got Day Vig, I suspected that people hadn't really gotten any roles. but whatttever. Definitely would be up for a rerun of this setup, with more active players >>. Even though I seemed inactive for a bit, I was just lurking kekeke. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On May 11 2010 13:02 flamewheel91 wrote: Nooo don't leave citi.zen Cough cough he's going to be playing SCII Beta... Also I'm watching your gameplay Qatol :3 It's not SC2, it's wrapping things up on a few projects at work + baby being born any day now, so I'd get mod killed or not have time anyway. No worries, I shall return. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
This was a fun game to watch, but should have been far less blunderful given the brokenness of the setup. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
I think I personally messed up the worst in the early/mid game (like after I got sick and the day or so after I came back from it). Unacceptably poor play during that time frame, and no wonder the mafia decided to keep me alive as a distraction to the town. Town caught SOOOO many breaks this game. Radfield was acting so pro-town the only way I had even a little shot at getting him was through the numbers (because mafia picked 6 1, 8 1, 12 1 - 10 1 makes sense as a mafia number). We are really lucky the mafia used their Day Vigi hit on him. Zona's modkill was big too, though we lost Hobbes who was just as important to the town. JeeJee was totally vouching for him, so he was pretty low on the suspect list. Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 11 2010 13:46 Ace wrote: Masons are important in all setups. The ability to talk at night lets you get a read on players away from the thread and probe with no interference allowing you to form circles. I guess it depends on the Mason's own ability to get information but a good Mason is dangerous if Town aligned. I didn't give the town the other version of Mason's that get to choose 1 player to Mason to permanently during the game and getting their alignment because I thought that would be too broken. I seriously considered taking this role before I decided to control the copycat role. Private communication is VERY strong/important in these kinds of games. Oh and thanks Ace and Versatile for hosting this game.  | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 11 2010 12:16 Ace wrote: GJ to Foolishness for playing perfect until the last night (why shoot Falcynn v_v?). DathTheinan also played decently for the position he was put in. haha that actually means a lot coming from you. The town voted to shoot Falcynn, so if Falcynn didn't turn up dead I'd obviously be mafia. On May 11 2010 12:16 Ace wrote: DathTheinan also played decently for the position he was put in. This. I hope to see you in future games. On May 11 2010 12:33 Ace wrote: This is a surefire town loss. Town should NEVER reveal what they are picking. You can't tie alignments to picks, and you out all your power roles. SK wants to pop all investigation roles so on Nights 1 and 2 you'll see lots of dead Investigation roles. Couldn't agree more. That's why I tried to emphasize this during the game. On May 11 2010 12:45 Ace wrote: Yea Foolishness I have a question...why didn't you vote for citizen? Soon as he voted for you and Korynne DIDN'T vote but posted you should have tried to sympathize. She said "this obviously makes me innocent because I could hammer and end the game now". If you took that point seriously and voted on citizen you might have had a shot. I honestly thought that convincing citizen to kill Korynne was my only way to go. Given that I had been pressing to kill Korynne for half the game, I didn't think I could get away with trying to convince her to kill citizen. Also, the number argument worked too well to prove his innocence. With Korynne alive that argument meant nothing since we both picked 1 as our first number. As a whole I figured I was dead no matter what, I thought this was my best chance. As I mentioned in the actual game, I spent a great deal of time deciding between who to kill at night. citizen hadn't claimed a role so I was paranoid he might be a veteran/bulletproof, so I decided against hitting him. Even if I had hit him, Qatol said he had a nice analysis of me, and I figure I'd have a better shot with citizen who wasn't about to post some big analysis of me. On May 11 2010 13:00 flamewheel91 wrote: No worries, I use cute to describe everybody (see my signature). I'm not being sexist here I can vouch for that. I have PM's to prove it too. Overall I thought we as the mafia had a nice advantage at the start. When it was revealed that we all got the roles we wanted, I suspected that many people did not have roles and were green. I had suspected Hobbes was methman based on JeeJee's talk about it; Zona thought he was Tracker, good thing we didn't hit him On the other side, I was secretly hoping that nearly everyone would have gotten a role, which would have been a chaotic hell and amazingly hilarious at the same time. I thought the Mason role was interesting as Ace mentioned, however I think a lot of the "good" that can come out of the Mason depends on who is using it. I would have definitely liked to be Mason for a game. I was very surprised that no rolecheck roles were taken, including the Jack. I thought that Radfield was the SK after the hit didn't go through and he said he was saved by a medic (as I pointed out in the thread). Even if he wasn't, he was playing incredibly pro town and was the only confirmed innocent at that point, which is why we had Darth kill him. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 11 2010 13:49 Qatol wrote: I seriously considered taking this role before I decided to control the copycat role. Private communication is VERY strong/important in these kinds of games. Oh and thanks Ace and Versatile for hosting this game. I would have considered taking it if I wasn't so high on the draft list as well. And yes, thanks for hosting Ace and Versatile! | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Mid-Late game wasn't that bad because since town got to breeze early game with no pressure it became a battle of numbers (which sucks for scum). | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I'll also say that playing red is incredibly stressful when you've been mafia 4 of the past 5 games @.@ | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 11 2010 13:55 Ace wrote: Don't worry, your #s theory was huge. When I read it I was like Mafia still have have the game won, but as the days went by and they kept letting it go along with other shots I started laughing at the irony of them dying because they got the picks they wanted. Mid-Late game wasn't that bad because since town got to breeze early game with no pressure it became a battle of numbers (which sucks for scum). Yeah we basically had it when Zona died. There was just nothing the mafia could do to come back from that. 3 shots to kill 1 mafia with that few players left? Pretty much a lost cause for the mafia. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 11 2010 13:47 Qatol wrote: Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well. I recall you saying about a month ago that you were planning on hosting a TL mafia game after you were done with finals. Surely Qatol is not a man to go back on his word eh?  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 11 2010 14:01 Ace wrote: @Foolishness: I had this weird argument in my head that town could have been screwed by. Something about "why isn't Foolisness dead yet if he's an innocent CV?" Which means one of the Scum isn't scared to get shot by accident, which means there's a Scum Bulletproof which means Falcynn/Korynne/Qatol/Citizen is lying about having no role. That's interesting. I was planning to play the "somebody is lying about their role" card if I was alive in the late game, but the opportunity never came up. I tried to set up for it by hinting that I may not be the CompVig and stuff early on, hoping for an opportunity where I could claim to be a Jack or a cop or something. Never saw a chance to use it though (or at least a chance where the town wouldn't just kill me first). | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
That being said, I'm VERY happy he hit me instead of citi.zen. I would have voted Korynne. (The idea was I was trying to make Foolishness and Korynne absolutely CERTAIN which way I would vote. Then if I died, my mafia pick was correct. If the mafia let me live, it was so they could survive the lynch. Definitely a risk, but there were reasons in my mind to vote for each of them.) Obviously, I had total faith in my numbers theory, so if citi.zen was alive, I would have lynched the other one no matter what. | ||
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