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flamewheel
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Scaramanga
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flamewheel
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RaGe
Belgium9953 Posts
Howdy there, readers! I know it's a tough time for recreational reading out there, but we should never let the Mafia take away our reading pleasure! That's why I not only propose a renewed start to our activities, I want to expand them! Members will now be required to read at least 3 books a day. Today's books are: BloodyCobbler's archive RebirthOfLegend's archive Bill Murray's archive In a battle against Mafia manipulation, it's important you learn to make your OWN decisions if sufficient information is present. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On that note.... Reading, and rereading is for pussies. True mafia players skim read 1/8th of the posts in the thread, spam accusations, random vote, and hop on bandwagon's. Does that sound like what this mafianoob rage is promoting? I think not. Therefore he must be an assassin. A third party role who is not used to the standard town/mafia game and doesn't know how to properly fling shit and random players. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Korynne
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I think it makes sense to read your archive RoL, since you are accusing BC. So we basically have to make a decision between lynching you and him. RaGe, is your intent that we share what we find in the archives immediately or tomorrow? Or at all? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Reading our archives doesn't change this situation, just gives insight to our roles which can be useful but isn't relevant to this decision. Regardless of who gets what read off of me or BC we should kill him, not me. One situation you kill me I am a DT then you kill him. The other situation you kill him he is red then I am semi confirmed. Just in the sense it would be illogical for me to be mafia at that point but is still possible. Of course BC could flip something besides red, but that wouldn't make sense on my part and you could kill me after that I suppose. | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9953 Posts
On April 23 2010 01:15 Korynne wrote: I think we should lean towards protecting Ace, since RoL has not been verified yet. I think it makes sense to read your archive RoL, since you are accusing BC. So we basically have to make a decision between lynching you and him. RaGe, is your intent that we share what we find in the archives immediately or tomorrow? Or at all? My intent is that everyone posts what they personally deduce from those post histories. Since chances are pretty big that at least Mafia, and we'll probably act on that information the next day, we should be able to get a shit ton of info after next day's lynches, provided everyone is required to post their own analysis and Mafia can't just take a backseat. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On April 22 2010 15:32 meeple wrote: Well... you have the same role, so his acting can still give hints into what you are. However it kinda sucks for you because you can't really defend his actions. Eh, so it goes. I'm not really going to try to pretend I knew what was going on in his head. So, having looked at the required reading, here goes in terms of analysis: BloodyC0bbler: Started the game offering a lot of advice to new players, and specifically telling medics NOT to protect him, Ace, or Caller. With Caller out, that leaves him and Ace that the medics are NOT supposed to protect. That, to me, is kinda suspect. If you analyze it on the surface, it's a totally selfless move that makes him look townie, but honestly, why even bother making that move? He could have just as easily said nothing about whether the medic protects him or not, and it wouldn't have been suspicious at all. Plus, now, with it having been pretty much established that Ace is DT, having medics not protect him is just silly. On the other side, to be fair, BC probaby had no clue Ace was a DT when he made that post, so it's not entirely damning evidence, it's just minorly suspect. Gives some more early game advice, drops into some oneliners, then starts a bandwagon on RoL, then jumps off immediately once it gets rolling. What? He claims its under the pretense that he's starting wagons on inactive players. As this is my first time playing, I don't know if this is actually a legitimate strategy, but, hey, y'know, whatever. He then follows up with some decent analysis of random people's posts, which all seem to end in confirming them red. Kind of odd that he yells at meeple for doing nothing but confirming people red, while at the same time pointing the FoS at many people himself - the only difference is he mixes it up by also adding advice to newbies/random oneline comments. So... I feel something's off here. I am pretty sure he's not Townie, based off the fact that he seems to have a clear agenda here, and he's picking people who I don't think are mafia, and accusing them to be red. But at the same time, he's also (so far) working by himself, and doesn't seem to be anti-town so much as he is anti-specific people. Thus, I'm going to call Assassin. RebirthOfLegenD Not nearly as active as BC, but that could mean anything, he claims he's been very busy. Most of his posts are 1-3 liners, with the exception of some longer defense posts. What I don't like is that ok, he has accused BC of mafia, but he presents NO evidence besides "rolecheck confirmed LOL". I fail to see anywhere where he claims to be a DT, or have any rolechecks whatsoever, so if someone could point me to that that would be greatly appreciated. Beyond that, he doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously, his posts have little to no analysis, and he appears to have given up on the town. All this points to SCUM Bill Murray I will analyze Bill Murray in a little bit, as I have class now and there's a lot of reading to go through. | ||
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Fishball
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Someone analyze me. | ||
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Scamp
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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In response to your other accusations. I have been friends with BC for a while, and was immediately struck by him STARTING the wagon on me. That made me think he was mafia. I personally didn't need more info than that. However I decided to role check him anyway and got back that he was red. Yeah sure, I could of behavior analyzed how him saying not to protect Ace, Caller, and himself was a sign that he wasn't worried about dying and was trying to make it appear selfless and town serving while taking away coverage from people he personally views as threats. But I didn't. I didn't go through all of his posting for no particular reason apart form that I checked him and thought he was guilty. I also doubt the odds of us hitting two millers in a row, so Caller flipping Miller reaffirms my belief that BC is guilty of scum. In regards to explaining how I haven't done much, I usually take time and read everything posted while taking notes on who strikes me as fishy. This game I was AFK for first few days and ended up with 36 pages to read that was quite frankly FILLED with shit. After reading 20 pages of more or less nothing I started skimming because I was on a deadline to try to get the town to not lynch me because of inactivity. So my analysis's right now are weak and I haven't reread any single poster yet. I am also stubborn and don't really wish to use Zbot, it seems to me to ruin the spirit of the game and make red hunting easy. All I have for you to prove my innocence is BC's head, if you choose to kill me to figure out if BC is guilty or not then you don't know how to preserve your power roles. Killing BC and he is anything but red would prove that I am not what I claim to be. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I don't really buy your rolechecking, as Ace is pretty much confirmed DT at this point, while another DT (Radfield) is dead. There are 30 town-aligned people, and 6 special roles, plus Assassins. Assuming we have 2 of each role (which is a fairly safe assumption, given we've seen 2 millers dead already), and, say, 3 or 4 assassins, that means that more than half the town is already a special role. Of course, different roles could have different numbers of players, but I highly doubt there would be more than 2 detectives, as if they don't die early, they could rolecheck enough people to win very very quickly. Thus, I'm following through with the assumption that you aren't DT, in which case there are a couple options: You are an Assassin, and you used your rolecheck on BC and found out he was Mafia You are lying, and therefore probably scum. I'm more inclined to believe option 2, because option 1 is a bad move for your own survival. Any other Assassins in the game (again, I think placing the number around 3 or 4 is accurate) would probably think you suspicious for saying "I rolechecked BC" for the same reasons I posted above - I really find it unlikely that there are more than 2 DTs in the game, and we know one is dead, and the other is most likely Ace. Even if there are 3, to say you have rolechecks makes it about an 80% chance that you're an assassin (3-4 assassins vs. 1 DT), so I'm sure at least one other Assassin would take that chance and bump you off. Just not smart play. Because I trust that you know how to play and are intelligent, you must be lying. Thus, you are scum. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Either way it all gets resolved soon. Aside from BC being scummy we have the unfortunate evidence that if RoL is a DT he damn sure isn't gung ho about getting BC killed. You'd think a DT with a guilty result would be ready to lead the wagon especially since our last situation got resolved. Hell, he even roleclaimed right after me in a game when Mafia have 4KP, 1 medic dead, 1 DT dead and he as far as I know was never in danger of dying. *shrug* | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I can't see why you think its so far fetched to have 3 DT's in a game with over 30 people. But seriously brownbear, give one redeeming factor to me being a mafia lying about this? If hes not red I am dead anyway. You give two other scenario's and discredit the one I gave you while saying how UNLIKELY the other two scenario's are, while my scenario is not beyond belief by any stretch of the imagination. You haven't even contradicted ANYTHING I said. You present your reasons for thinking I am scum which I suppose are okay, but the solution of lynching me and risking killing a DT for the mafia is retarded compared to killing the accused. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On April 23 2010 05:39 Scamp wrote: Me too, while you're at it. OMM ONNN ITTT And yes, I did use Zbot for this. I am inclined to think you are Townie Here is my main confirming posts by you. One of the big things is that you actually have posts. Generally you are quiet as mafia, however I don't think you are bad or above changing your posting style. On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote: I'll warn you right now LardyGooser, if you continue to mention your own noobiness whenever you make a point then I'm going to get you lynched. Even if you really don't know what you're doing, you can't be allowed to shirk responsibility of your opinions or defend yourself by way of inexperience. Anyway, I agree with you and Radfield, if people are still inactive with 6 hours to go or so then we don't really need to worry about them. Even if they just post/vote at the last minute we can just pressure or kill them the next day. No townie that actually wants to win would use this strategy to lurk, so that's that. Also, it isn't really that hard to go after/find people that are both largely inactive and suspicious too. Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! This was very early on, it could be distancing language for when LardyGooser dies, however I don't think that is too likely. On April 18 2010 17:02 Scamp wrote: I can't actually tell if Bill is serious with that plan or not. It seems like he is, but I don't understand it at all. It seems to me that the mafia will just want to hit people that have non-mafia on both sides of the killer/killee list, and that's that. Also, it just looks like a plan to randomly out townie power roles. Legit townies then have to lie or be exposed. And if they start lying, well that helps create the mass confusion BM wants us to avoid. Add to this that BM is suggesting the idea of a mass roleclaim...because it worked wonders in one game where people could PM each other and there were no green roles...yeah, I'm not listening to any plan from this guy. I didn't notice that Abenson was practicing spamming before the thread, but he's doing a good job of it so far now that the day is done. d3_cres posted that there are at least two assassins. I've got to believe that there are no less than three. Otherwise, why would you get a kill refunded for hitting an assassin? I also look favorably on this post. You don't go over top in attacking his retarded plan, and just kind of ease in your thoughts about it. This isn't generally mafia behavior since it lacks aggression or trying to undermine or incriminate someone based on what they say. On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote: Alrighty, I've been asked to take a look at Abenson since he's directly below me on the list. This is a horrible person to try and analyze because not only has a lot of people already done it for me, but he hasn't posted anything since those people spoke on him. It is interesting to note that he did propose to keep Caller around noting: "If he's not mafia he'll benefit us." He also thinks BM's assassin plan is dumb but in his final post he's willing to discuss it. So, there really isn't much to go on with him this game IMO. He's either confused town or confused scum. Honestly, I'd actually consider him being an assassin based on what he's said so far. Not liking the last five pages or so at all. Just a lot of people bickering at each other and the same names popping up over and over. It's all a major distraction, and I have no idea what it's supposed to be distracting from. Shame on every townie that's willingly a part of it, what the hell do you think you're doing? I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it. And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again. Probably the confirming post. Most mafia would just add to chaos and unreadability because it favors their agenda the most. You point this out and draw some mild links to other people calling up some odd behavior with billy, trying to do your part for analysis (I didn't double check your analysis though) You are just generally playing town orientated I think. Final conclusion. Pretty sure you are a green townie, could be a blue just because of your increased activity. I'd lean more towards green though. Or a very sexy played mild mannered red. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On April 23 2010 03:42 Fishball wrote: I'm bored. Someone analyze me. I read all your posts in Zbot. You have literally said and done nothing. You seem to be just relaxing not contributing or doing anything. There is almost no way to get a read on you except to say you are faking activity which makes me lean towards saying you are scummy. It just appears you are trying to barely fly under everyone's radar, and if I was a red guy I would hit you (if you weren't on my time) because you seem like a blue lying low, or a red lying low. Your behavior I would say is more consistent with a red, but I am not 100%. During tomorrow's double lynch if we seriously don't have a better candidate I would be fine with lynching you. | ||
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