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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 05:39 GMT
#570
I was truly excited to play a mafia game with someone as prestigious as IntoTheWow. You were a community member that I respected and looked up to. However, I am truly disappointed in not only your faulty logic, but your approach to the game when people ask you to open up to a discussion you yourself began. I am not sure if it is because you are incapable of having an intelligent discussion, or because you really area mafia member, or are just not the person I (and others) look up to.

Whatever the case may be, you have been a sore disappointment thusfar.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 05:40 GMT
#571
On April 19 2010 14:38 Bill Murray wrote:
jugan u wanna play some 2v2?


2v2 in SC1 or SC2?

note for Qatol: he posted like 2 seconds before i posted mine.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 05:45 GMT
#575
On April 19 2010 14:42 flamewheel91 wrote:
I can't control your life, so sure. Nothing about mafia though, honour system!

Damn it why am I so British.


Dude, I wanna be british.

On April 19 2010 14:40 Bill Murray wrote:
sc1 i didnt know u were one of the chosen few to have sc2

Mod: am i allowed to pm if its not about mafia?


Well I wasn't really chosen. A couple weeks ago one of my friends said "hey man... I got a beta key for sc2". I seriously flipped out and went WTF ARE YOU SERIOUS? I thought he was the biggest douchebag liar in the history of the universe (because he kept talking about it), until he said "hey man I just got a friend key" and sent it to me. ENGINEERS UNITE! :D
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 05:47 GMT
#579
On April 19 2010 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Peoples ability to be a good TL member doesn't translate into mafia skill. Mafia skill translates into mafia skill.


To be honest, I feel that a person that is able to think objectively or "practice what they preach" would be a very skillful mafia player. It just boggles my mind that such a great community member could generate in a discussion that they sparked so fast - the exception being that they're mafia, and don't know how to handle the situation (I totally understand that).
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 06:16 GMT
#592
On April 19 2010 14:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
I even asked him for reasons for his vote, and he said "my vote is as serious as it gets". Not like I didn't give him a chance.


Incorrect. You stated "It's hard to take you seriously". I replied with "My vote is as serious as it gets." I said that because if I wasn't serious about lynching him, then I obviously wouldn't have voted for him.

On April 19 2010 14:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
@ Jugan, I already explained some reasoning besides voting inactives. But since the thread seems to be kind of derailed, I guess I'll give you more, with the consequence of running some luring: accusing inactive might bring the silent mafia out.


I'm sorry, but, as I stated earlier, only a fool would fall for that. This is because you can't possibly put someone under suspicion for being less active than others on the first day. Additionally I also pointed out that those who are being falsely inactive will be easy to keep track of later and thus easily disposed of.

On April 19 2010 14:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
Also someone mentioned, not asking for information, so I figured I would search all the info myself. If you disagree with my analysis you are free to open up all the thread like I did and read all the posts user by user to try to get something.


I do that often, I wish you would include information you gather from doing so instead of tailoring it to fit your needs.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 06:19 GMT
#594
On April 19 2010 14:49 Incognito wrote:
Sigh* maybe I never will pick up the amount of attention that Ver gets...O wait a second...nobody listens to Ver either! Ver can I join your club?


I replied to your post.

note: Sorry for DP (double-penetration), I missed this one while I was browsing through earlier.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 06:30 GMT
#598
My apologies, I thought it was in fact incognito who made the original inquiry. Also, the goat was a joke from earlier in the game.

On April 19 2010 15:22 IntoTheWow wrote:
About tailoring: It adds some thought into the information and sparks discussion, maybe I should have written a lot more per each user, but I was kind of in hurry cause I was studying while doing that post.


You should be careful what you you tailor, especially in a thread-only game. Even moreso when you are levying accusations. In such an event, you should state so sooner, as opposed to waiting a lengthy amount of time while missing several inquiries in which you are able to do so.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 06:33 GMT
#600
Blah blah blah consolidation i know....

Anyway, technically your plan was different because I wasn't hiding or trying to be falsely inactive, I was already talking, discussing, sharing insight, and trolling already.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 06:47 GMT
#605
I don't care if you lynch me. I'm the miller again anyway.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 07:04 GMT
#609
On April 19 2010 15:57 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2010 15:47 Jugan wrote:
I don't care if you lynch me. I'm the miller again anyway.


Thats getting to be a pretty tired story man...


So... we need some sort of consensus on how to vote (obviously)... I don't mind lynching an inactive, but I would prefer someone like Lardygooser or the like... At any rate I would enjoy feedback on why we should shouldn't do it.


Then stop asking for it
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 08:28 GMT
#611
On April 19 2010 17:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I still have my suspicions about BM, but I'm willing to change my vote to lynch an inactive due to good reasons brought up numerous times in the last few pages.


As of now, I doubt the vote will matter. Just save it and observe.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 09:14 GMT
#616
On April 19 2010 17:57 meeple wrote:
Wow man.. those last two posts really needed to be seperate eh?

BM, you get this shit every game because you're annoying to play with, green or not.


Calm down meeple, let's not make this into an ego contest.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 09:21 GMT
#619
On April 19 2010 18:15 Bill Murray wrote:
jugan, does it make u suspicious of meeple because he's attacking 2 of the most obvious townies?


Sorry BM, there's no such thing as an "obvious townie" (except me, I'm always miller). Additionally, I don't generally say people are suspect to being mafia for their 'attacks' on other people (although it varies from case to case). I try to take everything into account, and try to think objectively. Some people just have bad days.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 09:50 GMT
#622
On April 19 2010 18:38 Bill Murray wrote:
ok. yeah it's 5 am here, i'm a bit cranky too. watching KT vs Woongjin has cheered me up tho


stupid KT wrecking my fantasy team. knew i shoulda took stars.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 19:59 GMT
#682
On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same
Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit


You know, it's quite hard to take someone seriously when they break one of the biggest and easiest to follow rules in the game. Additionally, feel free to go over my posts again - they:

1) Are much more constructive than your post.
2) Offer ideas based on logical reasoning.
3) Urge people not to do anything irrational.

Obviously my posts have not reached you, as the only thing more nonsensical than your accusations is your posting. I'm glad you broke the rules of the game to let us know you are watching one piece. Feel free to actually contribute ONE POST backed up with solid reasoning and evidence. It would be helpful if you showed how my posts are "nonsenseical crap" as you have put it. BTW, it's spelled 'nonsensical'.


On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote:

3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak

I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well.


I would like to warn you about identifying yourself with Scaramanga. His reasoning for voting for me was because he believes solid logic is "nonsenseical crap". While I do concede the fact that I trolled a little at the start, most of my posts have been well constructed and thought out. Additionally, I have continually encouraged rational and logical discussion in each of my constructive posts. It honestly seems that either Scaramanga is either retarded or too lazy to actually make an effort to actually back up his posts with evidence and examples.

On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:

But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him)



I actually started posting seriously to lay the smackdown on IntoTheWow. If I continued posting like a troll, it would be hard to get people to take me seriously. You see how I used LOGIC there? I've given more ideas toward the town than you have, but keep up the good work by showing us how smart you are.

On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:
I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him.


Because your posts are filled with whining and assumptions.

On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:
But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o

It's day 1. Read one of my several posts that explains, for simpletons such as yourself, that you can't read too much into a person's alleged "inactivity" on the first day because the game is just getting started. There is this imaginary thing people like to play called "life". Now, while it may seem absurd to you that people will waste time on such a silly game, some people take this "life" thing seriously. Stop whining before reading.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 20:28 GMT
#687
On April 20 2010 05:03 CynanMachae wrote:
Also I'd like to point out that that game he was pretty inactive Day 1 and got a lot of suspicion. (and he was town)


Which is in line with what I have been saying.

On April 20 2010 05:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
In my defense as I catch up. I have had a very busy time.

...

I am not an inactive player, and you'd be a fool to vote me. My weekends just always get jacked up with work, in the last 3 days I worked 30 hours. Friday I had school 10-2, work 3-7, Saturday 10am to 10pm, Sunday 8am to 6pm, then started reading mafia got tired and went to sleep.


Which supports and proves the logical reasoning I have been using which resulted in me getting flak for by some unruly and thoughtless posters.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 20:46 GMT
#691
On April 20 2010 05:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Until then however, I would expect assassin's to be contributing like a blue role. Trying to contribute as little as possible so they can coast on by, because they don't want to appear like mafia to the town and post negative, and they don't want to help too much so the mafia kills them.



Actually, I would think that the Assassins want the mafia to do well (initially) in the hopes that they kill an assassin, even if it is slightly more dangerous. I believe that up until a point the Assassins gain more from wanting the mafia to do well at the start, and thus we should not count on them for any help.

On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
A jpak is fine too.

Why, because he votes with you?

On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me.


Which Mafia XVI are you referring to? There were two. Also, don't let it bother you. You yourself are barely active, and it's only the first day.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 21:00 GMT
#694
On April 20 2010 05:51 flamewheel91 wrote:
Actually BC's game should've been counted as XVII :O
Since then we went straight to XVIII.


Thanks for the clarification. While there were mod kills in XVI, I managed to do work behind the scenes and convince the mayor (meeples) and other people (citi.zen, and several others) of who the mafia members were. In the end we were able to lynch all the mafia members in two days. So the town can still win with inactives, it just takes logical reasoning and solid analysis.

Not something ridiculous, nonconstructive, illogical, and without reasoning such as this:

On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote:
Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same
Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit

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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 21:02 GMT
#695
On April 20 2010 05:56 Caller wrote:
where the hell did this rage bandwagon come from?

Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters.


Parading around announcing "You have just earned yourself a place on my suspect list, [name]" is certainly not helping your image nor your campaign for support. I also urge you to provide at least semi in-depth analysis to go around with your announcements (which seems like that's all you're doing now) so that we may understand WHY you are find someone suspect.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 19 2010 21:11 GMT
#700
On April 20 2010 06:03 KF91 wrote:

Whoa, I completely missed this edit...

Scara, do you mind explaining yourself for this? The sentence you added in was completely unnecessary and it could have been made as a double post if you REALLY wanted to say it.


Which is why I urged you to READ MY POSTS instead of reading the last 3 posts in the thread before whining about everything.


On April 20 2010 06:03 d3_crescentia wrote:
BC's Mafia XVI, the first game I played in. I say 'bother' only in a "this could ACTUALLY cost us the game" sense; I don't mind if people don't post often as long as they try to make posts of substance


Thanks for clarifying. I understand where you are coming from, we all want a good game.

On April 20 2010 06:03 d3_crescentia wrote:
Also, it's sentences like the last one that grates on my (and maybe others' nerves.


And what gets on my nerves is people being stupid and making attacks on me that hold no relevancy or logical argument in them. I welcome any criticism backed up with reasoning an evidence. I have seen little to none of that so far. I make statements like the one you referenced on purpose.
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