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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 07 2010 05:34 Foolishness wrote: I didn't know flamewheel was green. On April 02 2010 15:16 Foolishness wrote: Flamewheel was obvious townie in my eyes. I want Cynan to make some legit posts. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Do you know what relativity is? No matter. There was no way for me to know for absolute certain that flamewheel was town, that's just what I thought. You've admitted to being wrong twice, how about I take your posts and misconstrue their meaning in order to show how you're mafia? No thanks. I don't vote to kill someone without legit reason. It's cool though if you want to base your accusations off of fallacious reasoning. That's why flamewheel died right? You killed off an active green first day and you're going to do it again. It's kinda funny how you think this stuff is going to get spammed away, especially since there's nobody here to spam but yourselves. Unless you're going to spam away my defense to make me seem even more mafia. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
Right now, I'm currently inclined to think Cynan is townie (along with myself,obviously), with two out of the following three mafia: BM, Vivi57, Foolishness. Just the way he analyzed the sudden irrational swing of votes towards KF91, put pressure on Vivi etc, makes me pretty confident Cynan is town-aligned. Possibility 1: BM/Vivi are mafia I'm suspicious of BM for the reasons I listed previously. The fact that he's voting for me now when I'm the only one who thinks he's scum makes me even more suspicious. But as to why I think BM/Vivi have a connection: BM has pretty much FOS'd everyone BUT Vivi. Could this be coincidence? Perhaps. But then he goes: On April 06 2010 16:16 Bill Murray wrote: Go re-read the thread, and see how scummy foolishness and vivi feel to you. They feel pretty scummy to me, with foolishness being condescending, and Vivi posting one liners. Their argument on this page here could be a ruse. Madnessman seems to be acting the way he did when he was a townie to me, and CynanMachae I don't have a good read on yet. I'll update this when I finish reading the whole thread. On April 06 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote: jeez this makes me not suspect vivi though.... and wow i shouldnt be defending people with 5 people left in a game... so confusing. Seems to me like this this is a deliberate attempt to hide ties, BM FOS's Vivi, claims he'll go back to read the thread in its entirety, and 5 mins later, is somehow convinced Vivi is town from some nondescript post made on DAY ONE. Also on Day 2, we see Vivi voting in alignment with BM. Cynan puts pressure on Vivi to explain why he was so quick to jump on BM's bandwagon, and Vivi appeases Cynan and tosses out a pbpa, but then only 15 minutes later, he changes his vote to Foolishness, so he is no longer voting in alignment with BM. Intentional or unintentional? I don't know, but all a large neat coincidence if it's unintentional. On April 04 2010 07:38 Vivi57 wrote: ok, pbpa on kf91 incoming. Yesterday, I just had a gut feeling about him and didn't really have a case. Lets see what happens when I reread him. 1,2. newb post, acting or not? Defers to more experienced players 3. "why vote for me?" 4. instantly in love with L 5. wants to kill inactives. somewhat contradicts the idea that he's a newb 6. says that post was to induce activity 7. getting defensive 8. essentially arguing that we have no information and should lynch randomly. This is advocating a very pro mafia play, trying to undermine the towns only advantage 9. weak vote on flamewheel for being "too wordy". This vote stays there the whole day 10. interesting. critizing L and flamewheel. The two dead people. 11. long list of accusations. RoL and I basically. One interesting thing I did notice in his last post is how he talks about foolishness disagreeing with everything he said basically. I reread it and the dynamic established between them is definitely worth looking at. Based on his last post where he refuses to comment on foolishness, I'm going to keep my vote there and seriously consider RoL's foolishness/kf theory. and since my last vote probably didn't go through ##vote kf91## Right now, I'm going to reread L and flamewheel and see if anything good comes up. On April 04 2010 07:53 Vivi57 wrote: wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote: Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum. I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote. ##vote foolishness## Possibility 2: Vivi/Foolishness are mafia Vivi basically doesn't post anything helpful for the first 2 days, besides "let's lynch L!" "let's lynch L in case he comes back as a mafia zombie!" I haven't called out Vivi before because he has posted so little of content and there was never enough of a basis to be suspicious of him, but I always figured that during "crunch time" he would post most more in an effort to help the town, or at least post more and slip up if he were mafia. But then he comes out of nowhere defending Foolishness: On April 03 2010 21:29 Vivi57 wrote: ok, I reread foolishness and at first, I looked at the end and tried to find a connection between kf91 and him, but as I looked through the earlier parts, I saw that foolishness spread all his discussion evenly and put a ton of work into promoting discussion. I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now. going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled. ##vote kf91 I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good. At this point, only RoL has voted for Foolishness to be lynched, and is hard on Foolisheness' case, so I think we can pretty much assume that this post is directed towards RoL. After this post, we see that RoL changes his vote to KF91. Later, Vivi SWITCHES his vote, when it's obvious that Foolishness is NOT going to get lynched, since it's a) close to the deadline b) everyone else OTHER THAN foolishness has voted, and obviously he's not going to vote for himself?! What I find interesting is that when Vivi changes his vote from KF to Foolishness, he changes the vote count from KF:3, Vivi:2, to KF:2, Vivi:2. Why would ANY rational player put himself in that position, ESPECIALLY when Foolishness hasn't voted yet and could easily vote for Vivi? Obviously, he would have no reason to worry if he and Foolish are acting together and he knew that Foolishness would be voting for KF91. He then keeps voicing his suspicions of Foolishness, but as we saw in the first mafia game, nemY did the same thing to Ace, so I don't think this clears him of being mafia. Possibility 3: BM and Foolishness are mafia Also possible, but there aren't strong clues that these two are a pair. I don't know--may have to reread thread more closely to see. tl;dr: just read the stuff in bold I guess? lol. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness. Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan. ##vote CynanMachae## I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes). | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 07 2010 07:35 Vivi57 wrote: The more I think about it, the more i think foolishness is innocent. In the last game where he was mafia, he was being extremely aggressive. This game, he's sitting there calmly trying to explain why he's innocent trying to diffuse problems instead of pointing fingers. Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness. Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan. ##vote CynanMachae## I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes). I'm still waiting to hear from Cynan, he hasn't said anything in a long while now. And yes, the reason I'm not pointing fingers is because I have no idea who's together and who's not. I made my accusations above under the assumption you were innocent. Madnessman made his assuming Cynan is innocent. Hopefully by looking at both we can figure something out. I'm not even sure that you're innocent Vivi, especially since you didn't die last night. I thought the mafia would kill you after you made your post about me being mafia. Right now you're just at the bottom of my suspect list. Even if you are fooling me your partner is still out there. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On April 07 2010 09:27 Vivi57 wrote: there was about a 0% chance I'd die last night. To tons of people, I was the most suspicious person in the game and the mafia aren't stupid that's ridiculous. foolishness has iterated that he doesn't think you're suspicious, i don't think BM has recently accused you either, I know i haven't... The only people who voiced suspicions were kf91, who is now dead, and cynan, who you are now voting for. On April 07 2010 07:35 Vivi57 wrote: The more I think about it, the more i think foolishness is innocent. In the last game where he was mafia, he was being extremely aggressive. This game, he's sitting there calmly trying to explain why he's innocent trying to diffuse problems instead of pointing fingers. Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness. Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan. ##vote CynanMachae## I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes). seems like a power play to me. you're asking foolishness to back you up, who earlier you were so convinced was mafia?! i'm gonna go with: ##Vote Vivi57## | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
and madnessman, with 5 people left, i don't think people give a fuck if i post 8 times in a row. it's not like they were spam. i was building cases. if you don't like it, we can lynch you. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On April 07 2010 10:47 Bill Murray wrote: all i know is i'm green, so if you're green, you can't count me with you. and madnessman, with 5 people left, i don't think people give a fuck if i post 8 times in a row. it's not like they were spam. i was building cases. if you don't like it, we can lynch you. "if you don't like it, we can lynch you." we? you and your partner you mean? | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
gonna vote for the guy who's gonna get modkilled ##Vote CynanMachae## | ||
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
yeah. think about it. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 07 2010 11:00 madnessman wrote: dude BM, tbh, i feel as though your being pissed at me is affecting how you're playing the game. gonna vote for the guy who's gonna get modkilled ##Vote CynanMachae## and just the insanity of this is crazy do you understand what LyLo is? | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
##Vote Viv57## | ||
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