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As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them (I am of the opinion that 2 ought to be enough) To get things started off in the voting section I am going to be Voting ~OpZ~ His post earlier on both seemed different in style to the way he posted in the last game and also was riddled with subtle "I am town" choice of wording, something I consciously made an effort to do in the last game I was mafia so guess I'll go along with my instinct here. | ||
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On March 24 2010 02:04 XeliN wrote: As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them Explain why this wouldn't work before you guys jump to a plan of nuking vigilante's. | ||
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Thats why using the lynching system makes the most sense, we do not risk ruining the entire game and yet still punish people for launching Nukes spontaneously. In the example you outlined Anber, then yes, lynch the first and counter nuke the second, just as we would if we already have a confirmed mafia for lynch and yet still need to punish an idiot for randomly nuking. I think your idea that some people would have a way to mess with the lynch voting is wrong, can't see Ace implementing that personally.. | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote: To me, the tone OpZ used gives me the impression that he has the power to nuke. Doesn't feel scummy to me at this point of the game though. If you're Mafia, that would be a dumb way to get unwanted attention. You disagree with my observation on ~OpZ~ fine, i made it clear it was mostly intuitive based on how I tried to act when I was mafia, you then coming out and making what is essentially a slight accusation without actually doing so concerns me more. If I was mafia then yes it might be unintelligent to bring attention to myself early in this way, that is obvious. What concerns me more is did you type that just to state something obvious or did you just want to write the word "mafia" about another player? | ||
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screw it just to get this out of the way: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote: To me, the tone OpZ used gives me the impression that he has the power to nuke. Doesn't feel scummy to me at this point of the game though. If you're Mafia, that would be a dumb way to get unwanted attention. Firstly you are quoting me, so when you wrote "If you're Mafia", I took it to be me. Think the misinterpretation lies in the word "that", I took it to refer to the post you quoted of mine//my voting and reasoning in voting for OpZ and not to what OpZ wrote. If you still can't understand how I could misinterpret it then I'm just going to give up and call you an idiot ^^ | ||
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Quit being a tard. | ||
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Also as to this "Also, your lynch idea as being the perfect retaliation to nuking? Wrong." Firstly I don't think it is perfect, just better than the other option which seems to be Nuke a Nuker, but anyway, why is it wrong? | ||
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Also I am not wrong he is, what he wrote can be correctly interpreted in either way, it was too ambiguous. | ||
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On March 24 2010 12:32 Elemenope wrote: This is your one post, and you’re just going to leave it at that? Are you fucking serious? I change my vote to Abenson People CANNOT be allowed to get away with inactivity, especially if the one thing they do post is to vote kill someone. | ||
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##Remove Vote (Abstain) for now. | ||
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On this hypothesis I think people who voted for OpZ might be more suspicious, people voting for Abenson was prodominantly due to his being inactive and useless, weras OpZ actuallly contributed. If he is innocent the first place to look for mafia might be people jumping on the vote OpZ bandwagon (which I started). I'm kinda typing as I think which is never that successful, I'll try to think through this more clearly but it seems like a good place to potentially start looking for mafia. All this is dependant on OpZ and Abenson being the roles they//OpZ have claimed but that seems likely to me. | ||
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Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority. | ||
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Removing my vote on RoL, whilst I agree that it is not good to go the first day without lynching someone, the sheer fact that not one person has attempted to argue against voting for RoL and the overwhelming pressure to vote for him makes it very unlikely to me that he's mafia. | ||
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In all 3 of those games you have been townie which is making me seriously consider that you are mafia, even the way you were very preoccupied with having someone shoot down the nuke on caller, in almost all other games you would only care and give that much focus to it if the nuke had been launched at YOU. But yeh think thats what ugly meant. | ||
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On March 27 2010 12:10 L wrote: We should kill him before he can nuke again. If he is indeed mafia, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to rub another out. Worst case; he absorbs anti-nukes. I'm not entirely certain that he's mafia given how ballsy his move was, but the only thing I'm sure of is that we shouldn't be pussies about counter-nuking people who don't agree with our anti-nuke position. If we aren't firm on that point, we simply can't dissuade nukes. "Excuse me" was in reference mainly to this, should have quoted. | ||
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Voted OpZ initially, I had gone through the thread and had decided to vote for the person I considered most suspicious on a one time readthrough just to get things going, thought his post seemed suspicious and placed on him. Change my vote to Abenson after someone (I think it was you) highlighted that he had made 1 post total and that it included a lynch vote, this seemed both mafiaesque and unacceptable so switched my vote to him. I then decided to change my vote and place it on you, you argued quite strongly for lynching one of either OpZ and Abenson and it seemed to me plainly obvious that they were telling the truth. As you don't seem like a dumb person I thought it odd that you would argue for their lynch and claim "they haven't been proven" (My reasoning was yes they hadn't been proven yet it was far far far more likely they were telling the truth) Then I vote for RoL because of his inactivity and not because of his Nuking, I later remove the vote as it seems clear that RoL is not mafia as not one person in the thread had attempted to defend him or try to get a lynch on someone else going. If he was mafia they would have had to defend him so didn't want to waste it voting for someone who seemed obviously townie. | ||
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Now start the moaning about how bad I am and what a stupid thing it was to do, but I have a question, who shot it down and why? | ||
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On March 28 2010 06:46 tree.hugger wrote: the tooth fairy was a lie Fuck You | ||
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. Also The nuke I have launched has been anti-nuked as well as the anti-nuker not coming forward and explaining why, now this doesn't say so much in itself as a town anti-nuker certainly has good reason not to come forward assuming they have more anti-nukes or even just to not give the mafia information, but still worth considering. Someone asked to expound on my believing LMNOP to be mafia, the whole OpZ Abenson thing was the most important in swaying, once OpZ came out as being To compound that, his immediate jump to accusing me of launching the anonymous nuke (before I so cleverly came out and admitted) seems suspicious in and of itself. If he was a townie he would not be so sure where it came from, peoples roles are a mystery suspicion is everywhere and you can't be sure on anything especially so early on in the game. He immediately said it was me, and if you read the wording he was pretty firm, this seems mafialike to me. Also he clearly outlined why I had found him suspicious in the same post, this is interesting as it is his first response to my suspicions, before the nuke and his post accusing me of launching it he had given no response whatsoever choosing to ignore. So there those are my reasons. Just to further clarify, I've left off giving a big explanation post so we can have some time to see peoples posts before hand. I have claimed North Korea, Already you know NK has the ability to launch nukes anonymously. Do you really think this ability would go to mafia? Either I am not NK (in which case the real one should come forward as it would out me as mafia essentially) or I am townie, in this case kim jong townie. | ||
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This is simply a hypothesis if Tree flips red upon death. | ||
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Seriously I'm hurt | ||
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It seems everyone has accepted that I am North Korean, fine. With that in mind | ||
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It seems everyone has accepted that I am north Korea, fine. With that in mind my main argument is that the mafia would not be given an ability to use an anonymous nuke, it does not make sense for them to have such an ability and such things are almost always reserved for town aligned roles. I can't say too much more on this as the roles and abilities are hidden, but I think it is a fair argument to put forward, albeit one that could potentially be wrong. Also the reasons I stated for there being no value in my lynch, firstly I have used up my nuke so there is no danger of me nuking again, secondly I have claimed town and been honest with my role. I am not a danger to the town in any way, if as the game progresses and more information comes to light it will be easier to judge if I am mafia as a result of this. And your argument that if tree flips red we should lynch me and gain information on versatile for this reason. If I flip green, as I will, you gain no information. And if I flip red you gain little information as I could simply have written about Versatile being suspicious to throw attention off her in the event I flip red. | ||
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I can say that I consider Zona to be mafia as a result, but won't//can't explain further. Take that in the same way you'd take anyone mentioning their suspects (I easily could be wrong, but i don't think I am) | ||
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Like i have stated it is simply a feeling on my part much like my feeling that Elemenope is mafia. | ||
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As far as I can tell that means someone town side has used an ability incorrectly, or possibly the mafia have a similar ability, but it doesn't make much sense for them to have night kill abilities as well as KP | ||
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And vers you kinda missed the meaning of my post. | ||
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On March 31 2010 14:39 Versatile wrote: was it that you would like me to give you an aids infested asshole? i don't get down like that, but i have homies who do. let me know. Hit me up with some #'s | ||
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I have the ability to nuke privately, I am not mafia and this simple fact ought to be enough for people to realise that. Add to that the liklihood that the roleblock ability is one that belongs to mafia makes it all the more unlikely this role would go to them (making this assumption on the fact the setup for this game is borrowed to a certain extent and that zona has already chosen to possibly implement a roleblock for the mafia ability in his minimafia games, this coincides with my belief he is mafia) So basically, yes I will flip green or probably blue and your all welcome to lynch me for policy or irritation but if you would like to try and win it might be better to chose someone else. Probably someone who jumped on lynching me, my suggestion being Elemenope. | ||
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On April 01 2010 01:24 haster27 wrote: There are going to be 3-5 mafia in this game, I would lean towards 5 as they only have 1KP per night and the town has nuking ability, add to this the fact that the town on large will simply not agree to the extent where all or even most will agree on something such as this then "we must make decision COLLECTIVELY" is a dream that will not come to fruition. | ||
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People I currently consider Mafia, Haster27, Zona, Elemenope Players I am concerned with due to inactivity and as such both mafia suspects and potential targets for town to nuke. Caller, Iaaan, Nemy There should be room for versatile somewhere in there but I wouldn't put that one very strongly. | ||
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On April 01 2010 03:11 Fishball wrote: To be fair, voting for you right now does not need much explanation at all. True, which means mafia can feel happy slapping votes on me knowing they can simply justify it simply in one word "idiot" or more if they choose, from my perspective of knowing I am pro-town this means it's likely that there are mafia among the people voting for me. This logic is only consistent if you share my belief that I am, at least in terms of PM'd role, a Pro-Town player. | ||
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Haster: At a point in the game where I was arguing (in my mind well) that I was not mafia he came out and argued strongly that I might have a individual role and win conditions, this was a clever little ruse as it enabled him//the mafia to make my actions and more importantly accusations seem suspicious and not pro-town without having to try and paint me as red (something which would have been difficuly) Elemenope, I have outlined the reasons for him already over the thread, add his recent inactivity and jump vote on me to those and I can leave it at that. Versatile, something seems off about her posting and she has been very hmm well ill use the word argumentative but thats for lack of a better term. This can easily draw focus away from any serious discussion and keep a nice state of discord amongst the town but I don't want to emphasise this at it might simply be her way of posting. Also she mentioned AIDS infested anus twice in this game, this is deeply suspicious... | ||
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On April 01 2010 04:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: Don't put my name in your mafia infested anus. Matter of fact don't put Abenson there either. I say we lynch you, and if you flip red, we lynch infun...I'll gladly go next to prove I'm a mason. And I ain't L...Got too much school shit than to be on here all day like i've been. Every post you make is like watching a toddler being given a calculator and being told to solve an equation + Show Spoiler + the toddler then proceeds to lick the screen, cry and throw a tantrum Basically glass houses bro, stones are risky business. | ||
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I am still certain Nikon is townie and stand by what I said that nothing he has posted (up to page 48) is something I would expect mafia to do. I don't really know why I am bothering at this point, I'm going to be lynched and with both the inactives and the certain amazing town player of Abenson and OpZ (in the 1% chance that they flip Red then I will concede they played well, actually I won't concede OpZ did, telling someone to rot in hell is maliciously insulting and the fact I have been warned for something that didn't even break any single rule yet he can write things like this without so much as a warning is seriously annoying + Show Spoiler + It got to me more than I would care to admit but in my eyes he is a massive cunt for doing so and I'm not even religious I'm gonna leave it there, Go over the thread, try to win, or barring that just launch mass nukes and force a draw. | ||
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Basically I expected the town to realise the position we are in means policy lynches, or even emotional lynches are not in their best interest, this has clearly failed. Oh as I can ##Vote Iaaan | ||
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On April 01 2010 05:11 haster27 wrote: Highlighted for emphasis just in case someone missed it. Also, all the suspects I have advocated were all those who had went against the anti-nuke policy. Now if some Townies had not decided to play stupidly and nuke player which most of them turned out to be green, my strategy would have lynched Mafia pretty effectively. If you are townie your strategy was idiotic as the mafia are unlikely even to have any nukes, and if they do they are sparse. | ||
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So starting with this idea "XeliN is not Mafia" then work towards logical conclusions based on what has been posted in this thread. | ||
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I explained why I fake nuked zona in a post on the last page, It was a spur of the moment descision and I kinda liked the idea of potentially keeping the mafia in a state of panic as to whether it was real or not. I don't care if you do not want to hear how I think ace set up this game, it is important to emphasise. The mafia clearly have a roleblocker ability, Ace simply would not give them the ability to anonymously nuke even if they didn't have roleblocker, obviously I can know this 100% as I know my own role and alignment but It seems something so inherently obvious that I can't understand why you would dismiss it and any attempts to rationalise how this game was set up. Earlier on in the thread Ace wrote that he would not specify certain things because he wanted the town to use their heads on how the game was structured and how roles//actions are implemented and achieved. Do so... | ||
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lol + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Like you have said most of what I'm asserting is based upon the mod not handicapping either side and creating a balanced game. And saying you can't take any of my arguments seriously because of one aspect of what I am arguing (game structure) is illogical, would be like me saying I can't take any argument you bring up seriously because earlier on in the thread you made an argument I disagreed with. You need better reasoning. | ||
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Any townie voting for me now is both wasting their vote and a the slim chance we might have of salvaging this game. | ||
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Bus Driver Twice per game, you get to switch the actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. A Bus Drivers' alignment is ambiguous. That means they can be town-aligned, mafia-aligned, neither, or both. No matter the alignment of the Bus Driver, he or she will show up as Bus Driver to role checks. However, mafia-aligned Bus Drivers do not know who the mafia are, and win only if the mafia wins. Also nice to see votes being used on others but it seems unwise to use them on someone who has roleclaimed, and given an account of actions they have used. Sure he could be lying but a lynch would be bettter spent elsewhere. Not sure why people haven't even responded to the consideration than Iaaan is mafia, if you check over the thread ever single person he argued for being killed in some way turned out to be green. He has somewhat lurked in the shadows, similar to how Zona and Elemenope are doing now yet popping up to make accusations. His mention that "I have a special role without saying too much i both can't be nuked as well as another ability" Iaaan either take the time to come up with an actual roleclaim giving your country, description and ability, sure if your mafia this will be hard but it is more believable than your current assertion, or if town simply outline your role. | ||
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my only solace is at least Zona also made a mistake as it seems clear he was the one who killed Meeple, kinda wish he had confirmed this before death as doing so now is probably against the rules.BTW i accept this nuke was exceptionally dumb and not pro-town, if Zona flipped red that wouldn't have changed things and I used my second nuke so very badly, I maintain the one on Elemenope was good however and will remain adamant on that. | ||
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