L being banned for 2 days in my eyes means he is not a viable candidate to be lynched, although the posts he has made already I disagree with but that might simply be because he's L and thats my general reaction to whatever he posts.

As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly

Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them (I am of the opinion that 2 ought to be enough)

To get things started off in the voting section I am going to be Voting ~OpZ~

His post earlier on both seemed different in style to the way he posted in the last game and also was riddled with subtle "I am town" choice of wording, something I consciously made an effort to do in the last game I was mafia so guess I'll go along with my instinct here.

XeliN

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March 23 2010 17:45 GMT

#215

On March 24 2010 02:04 XeliN wrote:
As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly

Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them

Explain why this wouldn't work before you guys jump to a plan of nuking vigilante's.

XeliN

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March 23 2010 18:09 GMT

#222

Plainly the point of getting any form of rule against this is to discourage people randomly deciding to Nuke people without thinking it through. However you don't want to completely nullify anyone using a nuke as it is still an effective form of strategy for the town.

Thats why using the lynching system makes the most sense, we do not risk ruining the entire game and yet still punish people for launching Nukes spontaneously.

In the example you outlined Anber, then yes, lynch the first and counter nuke the second, just as we would if we already have a confirmed mafia for lynch and yet still need to punish an idiot for randomly nuking.

I think your idea that some people would have a way to mess with the lynch voting is wrong, can't see Ace implementing that personally..

XeliN

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March 23 2010 18:10 GMT

#223

Edit, Thought it was you who posted Zona but for some reason wrote "Anber", my post was in response to yours

XeliN

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March 23 2010 18:24 GMT

#227

There is a difference between making assumptions and considering likelihoods, it is reasonable to consider RoL might have a greater chance of being town based on the reasons you now retracted just as, in my view, it is reasonable to consider it unlikely that people will have an ability to manipulate the voting, or at least if anyone does have such an ability it would quickly be made obvious.

XeliN

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March 23 2010 18:38 GMT

#235

On March 24 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote:

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To me, the tone OpZ used gives me the impression that he has the power to nuke. Doesn't feel scummy to me at this point of the game though. If you're Mafia, that would be a dumb way to get unwanted attention.

You disagree with my observation on ~OpZ~ fine, i made it clear it was mostly intuitive based on how I tried to act when I was mafia, you then coming out and making what is essentially a slight accusation without actually doing so concerns me more. If I was mafia then yes it might be unintelligent to bring attention to myself early in this way, that is obvious.

What concerns me more is did you type that just to state something obvious or did you just want to write the word "mafia" about another player?

XeliN

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March 23 2010 18:46 GMT

#241

Oh lol, to be fair it can easily be interpreted both ways

XeliN

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March 23 2010 18:59 GMT

#248

I'll respond if other people agree that it can't be interpreted in that way, otherwise your wrong.

screw it just to get this out of the way:
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On March 24 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote:

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Firstly you are quoting me, so when you wrote "If you're Mafia", I took it to be me. Think the misinterpretation lies in the word "that", I took it to refer to the post you quoted of mine//my voting and reasoning in voting for OpZ and not to what OpZ wrote.

If you still can't understand how I could misinterpret it then I'm just going to give up and call you an idiot ^^

XeliN

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March 23 2010 19:18 GMT

#252

I'm not talking about interpreting it based on your own personal intention I'm talking about the actual word usage itself meaning it is possible for either interpretation to be correct.

Quit being a tard.

XeliN

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March 23 2010 19:23 GMT

#255

And OpZ don't read too much into my choosing to vote you atm, we are not going to have much information on anyone this early on and I just intuitively sensed something off in what you posted, could be wrong certainly.

Also as to this "Also, your lynch idea as being the perfect retaliation to nuking? Wrong."

Firstly I don't think it is perfect, just better than the other option which seems to be Nuke a Nuker, but anyway, why is it wrong?

XeliN

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March 23 2010 19:25 GMT

#256

Versatile I'm not being sensitive, he's gone on to suggest that I have purposefully misinterpreted what he wrote for my own ends (the suggestion being I could be mafia because of it)

Also I am not wrong he is, what he wrote can be correctly interpreted in either way, it was too ambiguous.

XeliN

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March 23 2010 20:36 GMT

#271

I agree with people voting L if in their eyes there is no-one who stands out as warranting a lynch.

XeliN

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March 24 2010 04:08 GMT

#323

On March 24 2010 12:32 Elemenope wrote:

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This is your one post, and you’re just going to leave it at that? Are you fucking serious?

I change my vote to Abenson

People CANNOT be allowed to get away with inactivity, especially if the one thing they do post is to vote kill someone.

XeliN

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March 24 2010 04:08 GMT

#324

Vote Abenson just to make clear.

XeliN

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March 24 2010 04:50 GMT

#329

If he does come back in 5hr 40 or however long from now I think we ought to lynch him.

XeliN

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March 24 2010 18:37 GMT

#363

############ vote Abenson ^^

XeliN

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March 24 2010 21:49 GMT

#395

I don't really know what to say right now other than wtf are you guys thinking? If both of you do have roles that confirm townies and enable you to talk outside of the game you think rolecalling them on the first day is beneficial to the town in any way? You have some of the most powerful roles in the game, Abenson, all you would need to do is actually post something vaguely useful to have people not vote for you, it was the only reason I changed as someone highlighted you had made one post and that included a Lynch vote.

##Remove Vote (Abstain) for now.

XeliN

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March 24 2010 21:57 GMT

#404

I don't think there is any need to lynch one, It is extremely unlikely that mafia would pretend to have these roles as the roles themselves are not even disclosed, seems fair to assume they are telling the truth. If mafia were going to fake something as elaborate as this then OpZ and Abenson would not be people I would consider capable of doing so.

On this hypothesis I think people who voted for OpZ might be more suspicious, people voting for Abenson was prodominantly due to his being inactive and useless, weras OpZ actuallly contributed. If he is innocent the first place to look for mafia might be people jumping on the vote OpZ bandwagon (which I started).

I'm kinda typing as I think which is never that successful, I'll try to think through this more clearly but it seems like a good place to potentially start looking for mafia.

All this is dependant on OpZ and Abenson being the roles they//OpZ have claimed but that seems likely to me.

XeliN

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March 24 2010 22:18 GMT

#425

OpZ, there are very few people I would consider who would be able to do something like this as mafia, mayb veterans like Incog//Bloody//Ver e.t.c I wouldn't be able to, didn't mean it to sound superior just to suggest that it's unlikely you guys would have come up with something so elaborate if you were mafia.