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On March 10 2010 06:22 Foolishness wrote: Sign me up. Questions: Will bus driver be notified if anything happened to the people he switched? (this was mentioned before but you didn't answer) I assume if a bus driver switches someone who was going to be killed onto someone who was medic protected, that person won't die correct? If a mad hatter places a bomb on person A, and bus driver switches persons A and B, will B now have a bomb? If so will the mad hatter be notified of this? If a mad hatter has a bomb on person A and dies during the night (thus person A should die) yet bus driver switches person A and B, will A still die or will B die? No, the bus driver is not notified. If a bus driver switches A, who is being killed, and B, who is being medic protected, then yes, A won't die. But B will. That is correct, B will now have a bomb. I'm not sure if the mad hatter is notified. I'll get back to you on that. All actions happen at the same time. So the switch still happens. B dies instead of A. | ||
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On March 10 2010 06:44 Incognito wrote: No, the bus driver is not notified. If a bus driver switches A, who is being killed, and B, who is being medic protected, then yes, A won't die. But B will. That is correct, B will now have a bomb. I'm not sure if the mad hatter is notified. I'll get back to you on that. All actions happen at the same time. So the switch still happens. B dies instead of A. Sorry for the late response, but here's how it works. In the mad hatter example above, The mad hatter is notified that B now has a bomb instead of A. Another Example: C is a DT and checks A. D is a medic and protects B. A and B are switched. B is hit by the mafia. When the day post is made, C is notified that: B is a (B's role). D is notified that: Congradulations! You have successfully saved Player A! | ||
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On March 10 2010 12:55 Qatol wrote: How much for me bullying flamewheel into modkilling everyone who doesn't vote for you? It's win-win-win! You get elected, I get money, flamewheel gets to use lightning! Its actually a lose-win-win-win. Like I've said, I have already claimed Bus Driver. So all I need to do is swap myself and Bill Murray. No campaigning necessary. | ||
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On March 10 2010 13:08 Abenson wrote: I'll stay silent! :D Mafiya | ||
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On March 10 2010 14:00 johnnyspazz wrote: oh i had a fat brain fart, i forgot GF is chosen among the mafia but yeah it should be 6 then right? 5 mafia + bus driver? Who said there's a mafia aligned bus driver? | ||
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3. We know that one critical mafia strategy is spamming the thread when someone accuses the mafia or posts some critical information. We also know that mafia like to post trash posts everywhere to appear active. Townies are disgusted when they have to wade through a bunch of trash to look for information. This also contributes to mass inactivity. When looking for mafia, one good place to start is by looking through their posts. This is a headache for the town when there are hundreds of posts that are scattered all over the place. However, we know that the one person who has the easiest access to your posts is...YOU. So when you're done reading this post, you are going to help the town organize its information. So from all the above facts, it is logical that we should create a centralized database for everyone's post organized by name. So what I'm going to do is that I'm going to make another thread in the mafia forum titled The Red Army Archives. In that thread, you will copy all of your posts from this thread and compile them into one post. What will this thread do? It will force you to help us expose you if you are indeed mafia and are making trash posts. It will help us look through your posts if we think you are fishy. It will give all the players the ability to quickly find information from trusted players without the clutter of spam. In essence, it helps us organize information by person and helps us separate the spam from the good information. If there are any objections to this plan, please voice them here in the thread. If not, you have no excuse not to comply. If you wish to ignore this, by all means, you're free to join the top of my suspect list. Pasted for reference for those who didn't watch last game. Link to the TL Mafia XX Archives located here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + So that I can use my bus driver powers and switch myself with the winner! | ||
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On March 11 2010 03:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: there is most likely only 1 of each blue role, i would keep that in mind. 2 meds could perma protect someone in this game, so most likely only one. Dt's have unlimited rc's so most likely only 1. Hatter has 2 kp (with bombs) so most likely is only one hatter, or 1-2 vigi's as having both roles would have too high a KP (would be more than the mafia in one night). Possibly 1 vet, millers 1-2. I am Incognito and I approve of this message. | ||
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Rolechecks: There's 1/25 GFs. But there's two known BGs who are pointless to rolecheck, so its really a 1/23 chance. Since 5 mafia can run for office and the GF can be picked after the mafia knows if they will get office, there is little point to rolechecking the mayor/pardoner. If there was one office and elections were determined randomly, there is a 20% chance of having a mafia mayor. Add another office, and your chance increases. Add a mafia busdriver, and you can't really do that. So in the end, BC's contention that elected officials have a greater chance of falling into town hands because false because the GF is picked. Which means that any mafia elected has the possibility of becoming the GF. BG protection. As BC said, BGs should get protection if we are to have invincible elected officials. In order for us to determine impartially who the medic should protect, we need to make it random. If I announce in the thread however, it may encourage flamewheel to alter the results to screw us over (or not?!). Since we don't know who the bodyguards are yet, as long as we determine now who the medics will protect, it doesn't matter who chooses. So right now, I'm sending pms to 4 people. All four of them will contain the same information, either first or last. After elections, everybody who got a pm reveals it and medics protect which either the first or last BG based on the BG's positions on the signup list. Questions? Objections? Vigilantes. Stay secret. Mafia bus drivers means you can't announce your hit in thread to confirm yourself. Town-aligned Bus Driver strategies. You may think that you need to be gosu to use this role effectively. But you don't. You don't even need to know the actions to use this role. The mere threat of Bus Drivers will cause the mafia to second guess any attempts to kill prominent players. One way to use Bus Drivers effectively: Swap a prominent player with some random player who you think won't be targetted. This effectively makes the prominent player invincible for one night. If you are a bus driver, do not reveal whether or not you have used up your 2 actions. To be effective, you need to keep the mafia unaware that you could switch out prominent players at any point in the game. This means that medic lists are not necessary. Medics are free to protect the chosen BG. Archives. For the sake of the town, please use it. It will help us sort through the inactives and will help us when you die. About newer players getting elected: Its a nice democratic idea. But its only worked once in the past. And that was with SemiOldGuy. Other than that, the benefits of the Mayor/Pardoner positions are that you are almost impossible to kill by the mafia. The town would benefit the most if the Mayor/Pardoner were strong pro-town players. An invincible pro-town Ver or MBH is more scary than an invincible DT. Especially with this format with bus drivers. If we could get a strong player who happens to be a DT, well, then that's even better. But strong players that the mafia will be afraid of > blue roles. | ||
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On March 11 2010 09:23 citi.zen wrote: For balancing purposes I guess some "strong" player(s?) will be Mafia too. If elected likely will choose to be GF and green- so theycan't be asked to perform role specific roles. So we need to be a bit careful. Then again lynchings can't be stopped by bodyguards, so office is less powerful for mafia early on to have an elected official. Late game the extra votes coul matter. Yes, some strong players in all likelyhood will be mafia. But it is still good to have strong elected officials. Elected officials are under a lot of scrutiny. They also usually take on a very active role in town affairs. The more they're on the spotlight, the easier it is to catch them if they are mafia. On March 11 2010 08:25 Fulgrim wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for mayoral elections. I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow. Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them. Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything. Conclusion: This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG. Looking over the rules for the game, it looks like pardoner isn't going to play that much of an important role this game, its more of the mayor that we have to worry about. The mafia want to have the mayor role, and the only way they are going to get it safely is through their godfather. I think its probably safe to say that no "ordinary" mafia are going to be running for office. I'm surprised you say this. Pardoner is generally considered the more powerful office for mafia. Three votes is big, but a pardon can be more devastating if used near the end of the game on a double lynch day when both top candidates are mafia. The mayor can be held accountable for his 3 votes, and they can be tracked throughout the game. The pardoner however, will most likely use his abilities at one critical moment, which will come as a surprise to the town. We can't let that happen. On March 11 2010 07:39 Foolishness wrote: I highly doubt that the mafia is already organized to the point where they got a guy running for office right now. It usually takes them a bit to decide what their plan is and who's going to run. I'd watch and see who comes to run later in the day. Why do you say this? Role pms were sent out a while ago, long before the game started. 8~ hours is enough for the mafia to get organized. Plus, a strong player candidate probably would have run regardless of his role. I don't think we can make any assumptions on mafia organization for running for office at this point. | ||
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On March 11 2010 09:34 CynanMachae wrote: Also, I didn't really understand that part with the first/last for protecting BGs, maybe I'm just not reading it right or something, but I don't understand what you mean  Also, on a side note, pushing further Incognito's analysis about the chances of having a mafia elected, assuming a proportionate number of people run for office (20% mafia-80% town), with 5 people running (1 mafia 4 town) we have around 40% chance of electing a mafia as either mayor or pardoner (moving a bit toward 36.66% the more people that run, and having a much higher chance with less people running for office) After BGs are picked they are announced. So in the signup list, we find those two players and note that one of them is before the other. If "first" is picked, medics protect the first BG on the list, if not, they prot the second. No, don't think too much about precise chances. I was just saying this to illustrate why its wrong to think that mafia will be discouraged from running for office. On March 11 2010 09:44 L wrote: So you're saying don't DT check the person with 3 votes who can't be killed because he could be the GF. Why does that seem retarded to me? Oh let me tell you why. Day 1 passes 2 people are voted in. If mafia attempt to run, they have the ability to put a single player in. The threat of DT checking prevents them from running more than one competitive option. Given that the good players in this game are limited, they're likely split up. I know that I'm not red, so that probably leaves either you or BC as the mafia candidate. One of you will probably be GF. Over the past many games I've realized that the person who first starts pushing the GF as a method of destabilizing town is probably the GF himself. Last game, for instance, Ace made repeated reference to the fact that he wanted to 'prove himself' through shooting. It was a pretty obvious self reference. When I asked called to be put back in, without even seeing the game I told him I was killing Ace, but the game was fucked and over by that point. In past games where I've been GF i've similarly relied on it as a method of painting other people as uncredible. I generally ended up being able to do wacky shit like get fucking medic or DT mayors killed off because i'd point to a mistake in someone's reasoning then go "LOL I FOUND YOU OUT GF HOLY SHIT" and then get them bussed. So given that, The mayor/pardoner NEED to be checked on the basis that it proves that at minimum ONE is legit. If ONE at the least is legit, then you can start some town building. Especially under certain circumstances. So yeah, DTs please check Mayor/Pardoner, and please make me one or the other (i'd highly prefer mayor so that I can kill bill murray). There's also another way to use bus drivers; you can use the town aligned bus driver after claims to assure that you have accurate DT checks. In doing so, you skirt pretty much the entire possibility of mafia redirecting your checks AND protect important players. Given that mafia aren't likely to hit their own members (unless knowingly bussed), the target/fake dichotomy is key. Anyways, vote for me. L, your general concept is accurate, but the presence of a bus driver complicates things. In the past few 30~ player games, we've had 6-7 mafia with 3 KP. This game we have 5 mafia for 25 players with 2 KP. Given that flamewheel does have some legal advice, I'm almost certain that the mafia will have a bus driver. With a bus driver, the mafia has the threat of preventing the rolecheck of an elected official. Which casts doubt onto the candidate regardless of alignment. Fortunately, if A gets checked and is swapped with B, the DT will get back: "B is a (B's role)" instead of "A is (B's role)". (I was originally considering making it this T_T). So any diverted checks won't confuse the town. Still, when we find out that one member is legit, we don't know which one. So we can't really build a town circle. However, you did say "especially under certain circumstances", so I'll wait till you describe those before I make a judgment there. I don't get what you mean when you say this: "the person who first starts pushing the GF as a method of destabilizing town". Could you please explain? Can you elaborate more on this second way to use bus drivers? I'm assuming you mean that once the bus driver is confirmed, DTs use swapping to check a key player in order to bypass a potential swap from a mafia driver? | ||
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On March 11 2010 10:26 Versatile wrote: ermm, ace was innocent last game so that example actually goes against your argument. Ah so you must understand? What does "pushing the GF" mean? | ||
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On March 11 2010 10:30 Versatile wrote: all this talk about checking the mayor and pardoner is useless. DTs: you need to decide who you think is most scummy when the election is over; mayor or pardoner. then you need to look @ the vote lists, and decide who you believe to be most scummiest there. the mafia will most likely run their GF, and at least 1 or 2 of them will vote for the GF and they'll show up as red. all of this talk about checking is useless. Maybe we should save it until after the election is over so we don't tell the mafia what to do. | ||
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On March 11 2010 10:47 Abenson wrote: Reading the posts above, I have come to conclude that the town does indeed need a pro-town mayor/pardoner, whether they be blue or not. Therefore I propose that all the veterans make a few posts explaining their reasoning about how this game will work, and to also give the more inexperienced players (like me) someone to vote for. My first post already gave a bunch of thoughts on the different roles. As for the game overall? Well first of all, the inclusion of bus drivers means any switch means that we can't really trust the information at hand. For example, usually successful medic protections produce 99.99% confirmed townies, but if the medic notices that his protection has been switched, he can no longer trust this information, for the bus driver may have switched the prot + hit onto a mafia member. There are few mafia members and very low KP. Expect not to have many blue roles. We're going to have to use good old fashioned behavior analysis here. Although we have plenty to talk about. Particularly the new bodyguard mechanic and bus drivers. This thread is so dead right now, its kinda disappointing. Ace?! Chezinu!? | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:12 L wrote: Yeah, hence why Ace's actions were misleading. But the issue is that while he looked like the GF, he wasn't fooling anyone but the town. In the end he got shot for it. Not even remotely. Mafia can grab both spots, put the goon in the mayor role, have him swing around with his 3 votes for a day or 2, then have the GF pardoner gain credibility by pushing the lynch of the mayor. Then lategame comes, we're in a lylo situation and... oh shit, we can't lynch because he pardons. The reason why they can't is the threat of having DTs check both, yet people are here saying "well, its useless to check". Wrong. checking is the threat itself, and there's a 100% chance that you find someone legit in either mayor or pardoner. If the GF goes up, what role does he take? What if his counterpart is blue and gets confirmed through role usage? Can the GF have his team hit the BGs in order to take out the confirmed protected blue? If he does, he needs to kill both BGs or reveal a goon (or just reveals a goon), then he needs a GOOD reason for why HE isn't dead the next day. Either way, the threat of checking both elected positions is massive, especially because if a GF doesn't run, then you have a set of DTs and protected blues that have tools to confirm each other. A medic mayor, for instance, who blocks a hit is a huge "oh shit" moment for mafia. Letting two potential blues have that position is also huge. Additionally, there's the question of 'what blue'? Who does the GF take? If he's a safe role, why would he run for mayor? If he's an active role, he needs to lie carefully and can be found out if he tries to claim. And that's another point; Pretty much any blue that gets elected is probably going to claim immediately. So the GF can't fucking putz around. You guys simply don't see how powerful having a blue office holder that can be checked is. Qatol was shitting bricks about it earlier, which is why the BGs are public, but we can abuse that too. Just wait, champs. Think for a bit and build a strategy given our game format; its highly abusable. Uh a bit confusing here. But what happens if the GF just picks green? Nothing to prove and nothing to hide. How do we abuse that instance? | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:45 L wrote: Why the fuck are you running for mayor as green? If anyone is doing dumb shit like that I will drive the lynch bus straight down your face. These are confirmable spots; we can't confirm green beyond 'not goon'. We can confirm medic. We can confirm DT. We can confirm Driver (to a certain point). The only reason you'd want to take green into the mayorship is by asking to die the next day as a method of verifying that you're legit and allowing a controlled claim to go through. Even then, I think we've had a grand total of one person try that and he didnt' try that, he feinted. If you take the position that mafia's only going to run a single candidate, running as green seems even stupider; Mafia NEVER fail to get their candidate in if they want him there. EVER. So the idea that you'd step in to stop another mafia from getting in is absolutely retarded; you're taking the spot from a blue because you want to be cute and go "i pardon xyz, he's town for sureeeeeeeee" or throw a few extra votes around and pretend you're more important now that you aren't 'just' green. Lol ok. Now you make sense. Now I get why you want offices checked | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:28 JeeJee wrote: let's put my french course to work from like 7 years ago >.< you're red yes? it's the truth? something something dead last night? or next night, idk lol The last sentence is: I hope I do not die the last night. Which doesn't make too much sense...but ok. On a more serious note, suspects. Ah this thread is so...slow. As we all know, the mayor gets an autolynch. Anybody have opinions? I'd start off by prodding the people on the bottom of the activity list. Of course it could be that you haven't been around since the game has started yet. Anyway... 1. d3_crescentia 2. l10f 3. sidesprang 4. Fishball 5. Vivi57 6. Iaaan 7. Foolishness 8. ShoCkeyy 9. tree.hugger All have under 5 posts. Including pre-game posts. I'd like to hear from all of you. We can't find the mafia if you guys don't post, ya know. | ||
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2. l10f 5. Vivi57 6. Iaaan 9. tree.hugger Explanations appreciated. | ||
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On March 11 2010 14:00 L wrote: Anybody care to explain why these phantom voters like you/cobbler over me?  You're getting a decent amount of love. You and I have been posting frequently enough. But BC seems to have just made one giant post and then not that much else since. | ||
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On March 11 2010 14:02 Vivi57 wrote: he roleclaimed to me. I could roleclaim for him in the thread if you want. Wha wha what?? That seems way more fishy than L's partial claim...Don't bother claiming for him. Just think about what you've done...and state your logical reason why you should believe said claim. | ||
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Reasons why I think L is town: He wants to be rolechecked. He wants to kill green officeholders. Which means he's either blue or GF. If he's GF, it will be hard to fake a blue role. I don't think a mafia would forcefully put themselves on the spot so willingly. For now, I see L as a pretty safe choice. Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie. Who knows. I'll think about it some more. We still have one more day to decide who we want for positions. Will post some more later tonight. | ||
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On March 12 2010 14:29 Iaaan wrote: I actually changed my mind about what I said about L, your posts do add alot to the game IMO, but again BC is easier to hold accountable that the other candidates for his actions if he is false claiming DT. Unless im mistaken, your saying your not a DT, which to me seems like the only confirmable role. A mafia pretending to be a medic can simply say they are protecting someone, then simply not hit them at all. A vigilantee is a one time use, and a you could just use one of your mafia KP to fake a vigi hit. Vets are probably better to not be in office. If your green and you have a 'larger plan,' thats great, but again it seems fakeable and probably less useful than a DT in office. Also if you don't win the election and your not red, your dead night 1 anyway. A veteran who has been hinting he is blue? why would the mafia pass that opportunity up? I don't see how not claiming at this point protects you. I hope you have a good plan that justifies you hinting instead of roleclaiming. Even if you roleclaim once you win, DT is still easier to confirm than any other town role. The problem with that is that for the medic to actually convincingly look pro-town, they have to claim that they're protecting good pro-town players. Which in itself limits the mafia killing pool to sub-optimal players. The thing that throws a wrench in this is the mafia-aligned bus driver, however. While difficult to prove, it would obviously look fishy when the elected official says "oops it must have been the mafia aligned bus driver!" I don't think there's that much to worry about there. Vig is confirmable. You'll know when theres 3 hits instead of 2. All these examples you give are plausible yes, but it would make the elected official super suspicious and would likely result in the official's death. I don't think theres much to worry about there. May I ask, how is BC easier to hold to account than the other candidates? | ||
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On March 12 2010 16:26 sidesprang wrote: I vote for L | ||
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On March 12 2010 16:41 johnnyspazz wrote: damn i might just change my vote so i don't get grouped with scummy looking people Right. Because thats not scummy at all. | ||
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On March 12 2010 16:45 johnnyspazz wrote: well i wasn't trying to look scummy this is what i want to happen: BC -> Mayor; L -> Pardoner BC for mayor because apparently he's DT and DTs are very important L for pardoner because he said he has a game winning plan that involves sacing himself as the pardoner Wat. He never said that. Here we go again. | ||
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On March 12 2010 23:30 L wrote: The non-posters for Incog league? I mean, did you even look at who's voting for you? Yeah that too. I wasn't saying that your vote train makes you red, I just thought it out and figured that most reds would prefer you in office over me. The only thing I don't get is why they'd want BC over me...protected DT would be hella hard to kill...unless BC is actually the GF. Interesting no? CynanMachae looks red to me. Care to make any comments on the current situation? Other than that, Abenson isn't being his usual self, and Versatile's been a bit quiet. I'll wait till you guys decide to respond before going on. | ||
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On March 13 2010 01:32 L wrote: I know what the rule is, I just think its dumb seeing as it hasn't always been that way. I'll vote later, probably for cobbler. And incog, why would mafia rather you in office rather than me? I know I'm not mafia, I also know I'm generally more active than you, and I've also stated that if I'm getting a role that can't be checked that I'm basically going to kill myself to have a full set of roleclaims. So pretty much no matter what I am, I'm claiming with the intent to prove it shortly thereafter. You, by contrast, are not offering any such game breaking attempts, yet you think mafia is more scared of you than me. But then you admit that you probably have like 3-4 fishy people voting for you. So how does that add up? It doesn't. I've got a paper due in 1.5 hours and I haven't even started formatting it, so I'll be back in 5.5 hours after transit/class is factored in. Uh I didn't say mafia would rather have me in office than you. I said I think they'd prefer to have you in office. The reason is because, as you have already noticed, people are trying to discredit and doubt you. I'd think its much easier to discredit you than me, and thus the mafia might think that they can deal with you better in office than me. I'm not saying mafia will be scared of me, but that it will just be more difficult to get rid of me than you. | ||
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I have a feeling Malongo/Foolishness/Versatile are good targets. All been quiet, all good enough to be mafia since I think the three candidates are town. They just haven't done enough for me to see them as town-sided. What does everyone else think? | ||
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On March 13 2010 04:02 Iaaan wrote: @incognito It seems to me like the mafia will kill malongo/foolishness fairly quickly if they are town, because of their senority. I think it would be better to lynch someone out of the mafia's way, who is suspicious or likely will become suspicious. IE someone with useless/small amounts of posts that doesn't have a chance of being modkilled. Hmm really? What if they're mafia? Then they won't die. What if they're suspicious (which they are)? They probably won't die. Mafia doesn't really have to worry about them right now. They're not doing much. Mafia have bigger problems. Like invincible blues. Or just blues in general. | ||
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On March 13 2010 06:37 nemY wrote: I think regardless of who gets elected the most important thing the DT(s) should NOT do is ROLE-CLAIM to the mayor/pardoner. The chances of one of them being GF is so high that it's just not worth it yet. Unless the DT is telling other people about it too, you'd think a DT for GF trade is good, no? | ||
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On March 13 2010 07:58 L wrote: It was a rhetorical question. Ie, mafia would much rather have you in office sitting around nothing nothing as a green. Your statement here essentially implies that you aren't going actually step up and lead and be held accountable for the results. Somehow I don't see how that's a quality you should have. You know who's claimed to be the DT. You know he didn't want you to know, and you have no evidence supporting anything beyond that. Once we have a rolecheck or two to confirm his identity, we'll know things for certain. Once again, I'm not green. Why do you keep saying that? Its just like everyone else saying you're DT. I'm not implying that I'm trying to avoid leading. Yay reading comprehension. I'm looking at it from the a likely mafia point of view. You've done a good job painting me green, which may keep me alive once I lose office. Its harder to throw dirt on me. It would be simpler just to kill me. Its just a lot easier to discredit someone who posts abrasively and unclearly. Like you. So just look carefully at the people who vote you then try to plant seeds of doubt. That is all. L seriously, who do you think of lynching if elected mayor? | ||
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For now: DT Check List: CynanMachae ~OpZ~ Sidesprang Medic Prot List: Incognito Bodyguard A Bodyguard B | ||
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1. The above assumes L and BC win offices. 2. Please refrain from deviating from this list unless you have VERY good reasons. | ||
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Rofl at Zona and Cynan being BGs. Those two were on the top of my suspect list yesterday. Zona not so much now after your collection of large posts. Its nice to see some people suddenly get active. Cynan, I'd love to hear from you too. Medics. So remember in one of my earliest posts I stated we would randomly choose who the medics protect from the BGs. The time has come to reveal your pms. They should all say First. Which is all cool. However, the First BG on the list is Cynan. Someone who I have suspicions about. Moreso than Zona. Protecting him would not do much methinks, unless I'm wrong. (Remember, mafia BGs do not protect innocent officeholders) Which is why we need Cynan to speak up. What do you think about recent events? | ||
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Original Message: "I'm not pardoning anyone. " ----------------------------------------- Original Message: if the town lynches me, would you pardon me? Bill, I don't remember saying this at all. If you can point me to the pm great. Otherwise this is just a pure lie and I have no idea why you wanted to post this. The JeeJee lynch: was necessary. When you get a vote swing, kill the person who initiated it. BGs. No use suspecting them now. If we try to lynch one of them and they turn out to be legit, we lose way too much. You can just use our deaths to figure out if they're mafia or not. BG protections. Yes, I know that I randomly assigned before the BGs were assigned, as you can tell. But rethinking the situation, it is probably better that the medics randomly choose who to protect from among the two BGs. If not, mafia can get a free hit by killing the non-protted BG. We need to force mafia to double stack the offices to get to us. Worried about a mafia bus driver? At this point, the mafia driver can attempt to switch off the medic prots, but then he would have to get in contact with the mafia for that to have any positive effect for the mafia. Which is highly dangerous at this point. A lot of people right now are inactive enough to look shady. Guys step up. Or, when you think you've found the mafia driver, let us know. Mafia driver probably won't be useful until a bit later in the game, or when a mafia is up for lynch. This is because if it is inevitable that a mafia will die to lynch, they can get in contact with the mafia driver before he dies. So at least for tonight, any mafia busses will probably not hurt us. Incognito, I don't think I have seen you roleclaim yet. Is there any reason for that, now that you are protected? Its night time. I can't die tonight. Mafia doesn't need more information. This can wait till day. | ||
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tree.hugger Incognito Zona Iaaan johnnyspazz CynanMachae Did anyone else notice this? | ||
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On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote: Yeah BC's pretty legit. Sarcasm much? | ||
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Why do you think the mafia are offing that list though? Seems like a bad idea unless they know all of these people are inno? Otherwise they're just exposing themselves. | ||
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On March 14 2010 16:40 L wrote: Low activity posters that aren't mafia are often blue. Vivi and Fulgrim posted very little during the first day and didn't really try to make themselves the center of attention. If mafia has a role they want dead right now, its the medic and bus driver. Once one of those are dead, they can start chopping away at the BG block and kill our DT. After the DT/medic die, the mafia 'clock' stops ticking, because the amount of confirmed townies stops growing and the chance that goons get outed starts going up. Given the low kp/round, the game is likely to go on for a while, which means that the effects of the medic, driver and DT are incredibly amplified. Hmm ok makes sense. Though wouldn't it be easier to just burn through the BGs? Because if even if mafia hits both the driver and medic in one night, they still take 2 full nights to be able to access the elected officials. And I find that highly implausible. Burning through BGs would take 2 days with medics. Maybe one more if the driver intervenes. But hey I've just noticed, Zona and Cynan. Traditionally, BGs have tried to hide under the radar in order to avoid being killed and exposing the officers. However, this game has the BGs out in the open. Given that BGs are only taken out of the green townies and non-GF mafia, there is no reason for you not to post. You do not need to hide because you are not blue. Mafia will probably want to kill you anyway, so you might as well make yourselves useful while you're here. You're already out in the open, so no reason to hide. Yes, having the BGs posting more and being more pro-town might make the mafia want to hit them more, but hey, all you townies should be posting more. But only townies. If you are mafia, we don't need to hear your thoughts. Thanks. | ||
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Foolishness. Yes, I haven't posted recently. Its the weekend, so I'm a little busier than usual. I have been around for the past few hours though. So yes I'm active. Yes it may look shady. But quite frankly, I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. So I have taken my activity and moved it into pm land. A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private. Why this switch? Because if I'm active in the thread and everyone ignores me, that is not useful activity. An everyone does ignore me. Every time I ask people to step up and explain something, nobody responds. Why is this? Because when people are addressed as a group, nobody feels that they are responsible, so nobody feels the need to respond. This has been shown in things like emergency response. So tying back into the game, when I point out an accusation, the mafia don't need to respond if nobody responds. They can just sit back and watch while the game stagnates. If they responded every time, it would attract unnecessary and unwanted attention. So pms are better because it singles people out and makes them more inclined to respond. Makes them more willing to share their thoughts and feelings about the game, because they don't know who else is responding. As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive. When I start a discussion with you in pms, you don't know if other people are active or not, so you feel the need to respond to not look suspicious. I get frustrated when townies don't want to cooperate and decide that its better to defend themselves when I ask simple questions. So if you're town, don't be afraid to talk to me in pms. I can't clear your name if you don't say anything or provide meaningful discussion. When I pm you its not like I'm accusing you of being mafia. Its that I want quiet people who are innocent to be inclined to prove their innocence, leaving me with a smaller pool of people to look at. Its that I want the mafia to be forced into talking for fear that everyone else is doing the same thing. In conclusion, yes, pms are helpful to catch the mafia. But no, if you are town, you do not need to act uber defensive. I am not pming you just because I think you're mafia. I am pming you because I need more information if I am to determine your innocence. So please cooperate and allow me to help this town. Thank you. | ||
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Well, I for one, do not like this at all. First off, its been over 24 hours. And nobody's said anything in defense of Abenson. The mafia have not come out to point out someone more suspicious. And quite frankly, Abenson is no more suspicious than in other games. If I were to categorize his posting behavior, I would say its the same as always. Useless one liners. Which yes, he did while he was mafia, but he also did it as town. There is nothing extraordinary in my opinion about Abenson's behavior. Which naturally puts him lower on my list than other potential candidates. Which brings us to other candidates. Quite frankly, there's a lot. We can never be sure, but at the moment, I'm not comfortable at all with Abenson as a candidate. I would suggest Malongo and Sidesprang as alternatives. Both of whom have very few posts. Malongo has also gone mysteriously missing after his bid for office. Soon after posting, he was called out, and never responded. Which is always unsettling. Furthermore, he usually posts more material. Sometimes its not very useful material, but he always has some material. Either way, this is different for Malongo. Sidesprang. Everyone is claiming excuses. Sidesprang is no exception. We only have one instance of sidesprang as town, which is BC's TL Mafia XVI. Where Sidesprang posts little, but at least he seems to be putting in some effort. From this game and last game where he was mafia, I don't see the same effort. Right now, I'm going to vote Malongo. So Malongo, if you are around, please show up and convince me that you are town. Oh also another note: Archives. Please keep up with them. I need them to keep the analysis going. A lot of people are falling behind on this and we still have four people who aren't participating. People who have yet to make an archive post: 3. Malongo 9. nemY 10. sidesprang 11. Zona | ||
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On March 15 2010 13:35 johnnyspazz wrote: they probably aren't defending him because it would make it too obvious that they are also mafia. no one of my team defended me last game when the clues clearly exposed me as mafia and i never publicly tried to defer suspicion away from my teammates when they were lynch targets but that was probably because i am a noob. Yeah, I understand that, but also take note that there are no clues this game. If there were clues, I'd understand the mafia shunning someone they think too suspicious based on clues. But there are no clues this game. There is no compelling reason, psychological or otherwise that would make the mafia shy away from defending Abenson. We have plenty of good candidates. Mafia wouldn't have very much trouble trying to find one who's innocent to accuse. | ||
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On March 15 2010 15:03 nemY wrote: I don't like getting PMs from random people, because more often then not, it's someone fishing for information and since I can't explicitly see what color the individual PMing me is, I can't exactly trust that individual now can I? The fact is from the sounds of your PMs, you and BC aren't working together which could suggest that one of you is in fact mafia (or that the two of you merely mistrust each other). Rather than asking me about my opinion of our beloved mayor who lurks in the shadows why don't the two of you post what you think about each other, oh glorious leaders of our town? Oh, I'm a random person? Did you even read the post you quoted? It directly answers your fears. Even then, if you're green, why do you have to fear someone fishing for your role? Whats wrong with engaging in discussion? | ||
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On March 15 2010 23:11 XeliN wrote: Also can you post your reasons for Malongo publically I did, and I have. Yes, I know its not a very substantial case. But for me, its more substantial than Abenson. The reason why is because Malongo is usually more active. Abenson, on the other hand, is usually a spam poster. So in the event that both of them are not being helpful to the town, I'd rather lynch Malongo than Abenson. While Abenson has generically suspicious behavior, Malongo has abnormally suspicious behavior, which I think raises a better case there. Further reasoning, as has been repeated, is that nobody questioned the Abenson train when clearly there are other equally good or even better candidates for lynch. Anyway, at the rate that this is going, I am considering pardoning Abenson if he wins this lynch. Not because I am convinced of his innocence, but because I think you guys are just trying to bandwagon him to death. | ||
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On March 16 2010 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him. If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them. So who exactly are these "suspicious people"? | ||
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On March 16 2010 08:37 L wrote: I don't really give a shit what you think, tbh. Having blues claim in the open when there's no reason to believe them is a fucking dumb idea. And it isn't a vendetta. I decided to push at him pre-game because he's the type of player that does dumb shit and I wanted to see how he reacted when faced with actual scrutiny. He responded with a litany of mafia tells which is pretty much exactly what I expected. I've had three huge posts outlining exactly why BM is playing a classic "don't step on me" defense while adding very little to the town, yet people seem content to ignore it based on the fact that he had a few goons try to take a drive by against my reputation by saying that refusing to roleclaim was 'chaos inducing'. Are you serious? My positions are pretty fucking clear cut in my posts. The people who decide to pm me based on what I've written seem to get the picture, so why is it that the only people expressing doubts are unconfirmed 'town' members? I haven't tried to clear stuff up? Are you joking? I've spent no less than 15 posts doing exactly that. "Did you claim x?" "No, I'm not going to claim anything till I'm in office" "Did you claim y?" "I just told you no" "Did you claim Z?!" "You must be kidding" Perhaps you forgot that? I guess that would be hard for you because you were one of the main people doing it. And as for me washing my hands clean, didn't I offer Citi.zen the opportunity to kill me if BM flipped green? I'll restate that: Kill BM today, have him flip green, and I'll let you guys off me without a single word of protest and you can quote this post and everything. Every single factual statement you made in this post is wrong. Why? My feeling is that BM is vig or mafia. If he comes out and claims green one more time, I'd be ok with getting him shot. Though it is a bit late to switch the votes around. | ||
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End of Day 1, he sounds more fishy. Especially after the "drunk" posts. And repeatedly emphasizing his greenness. Day 2 lynch final moments, even more fishy. I like L's analysis. Now that I go back to it, yeah, its funny how Bill is pre-emptively trying to show his support in favor of Malongo's lynch before Malongo flips red. While also voting to lynch Abenson. If Bill wasn't suspicious before now, he sure is now. Other thoughts: I find it interesting how Versatile brings up an ultimatum on BC. Then proceeds to viciously attack the fact that BC isn't announcing people he's checked. Then, when BC responds, Versatile disappears. Something is not right here. The way they're going at each other, I'm guessing one of BC/Versatile are mafia. The question right now is, which one? Good question. Atm BC can be tested more than Versatile given BC's claim. Zona's strongly pro-town posts seem to make him a good target for the mafia. Plus, Zona is also a BG, so double the goodies for the mafia. This, in my eyes, makes Zona a strong target for BD or medic protection. Good job Zona for making yourself a clear pro-town BG. That just makes it harder for the mafia to decide who to hit. | ||
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On March 17 2010 00:36 Versatile wrote: uh, i went to bed. and now i'm checking the thread while getting ready for work. am i supposed to be reading this thread 24/7? you've been coming @ me in a very slick way all game long. you seem to love typing my name. remember when you asked me for my opinion on BC and asked me to post in here? well, i did. i don't remember you responding. were you planning to? are you going to elaborate on your suspicions of BC, especially since you've been "collecting intel" on him through PMs? you set that trap yet,buddy? Don't worry this will be sorted out by tonight. | ||
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i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor. Keep in mind that the mafia know who the townies are, so BC as mafia could kill off people he knows 100% to be townies to make himself look legit if we're following your suggestion. | ||
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On March 17 2010 01:11 Incognito wrote: Keep in mind that the mafia know who the townies are, so BC as mafia could kill off people he knows 100% to be townies to make himself look legit if we're following your suggestion. | ||
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On March 16 2010 01:19 Versatile wrote: the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red. if they didn't, then there is no reason for them to put themselves in the limelight. On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote: also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"? that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT. mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. On March 17 2010 00:50 Versatile wrote: first of all, stop crying. if you didn't want to be pushed or questioned, you should have never signed up for mayor. it's what comes with the territory. and it's not about me. it's also not about you. it's about what's best for the town, and you're sadly mistaken if you think you're doing what's best for the town. it's about to be day 3, and you haven't shown the town, in the thread, any definitive leadership. i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor. at the moment that we know we can trust you BC, the game is over. you can get role claims from all of us, and end this. i cannot comprehend why it is almost day 3 and you have not made more movement on this. so, i apologize if it seems like i am "viciously attacking" you. that's not my intention. i just want answers from our leader. Lets take a look at these three posts from Versatile. First, she agrees with BC's idea that DTs should only announce red checks. Second post, she decides that BC is pulling BS here when he decides to follow the plan that she agreed with. Third post, I guess she figures that her previous attempt to get BC to spit out the confirmed townies didn't work and is desperate to find another way? Her plan is flawed for obvious reasons stated above. I dont know, but why do you keep switching your views on things that seem like they should be policy no matter what your role? Something doesn't add up here. Care to explain? Also, who do you suggest we lynch tomorrow? Did you read L's analysis of Bill Murray? On another note, On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote: ummm, no @ BM. i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing. as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats. clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up. my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first. Downplaying Malongo's lynch. Which fine, it wasn't some awesome convincing analysis. But it was a successful guess. Would the mafia really risk starting a train on Malongo when he hadn't been previously discussed? Sure, he was inactive and a good target to gain credibility, but at this point, they have more issues to worry about then gaining credibility from lynches. Either way, you've mentioned repeatedly that it is self-evident that one of BC/me/L are mafia. In fact you keep saying this as if you're 100% sure that this is true seemingly out of nowhere. Stirring up the town based on a percieved false consensus here? BC's alignment can be tested severely. Yours unfortunately is a bit more difficult. But I guess I'll wait to comment further until you answer this post. | ||
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On March 17 2010 02:32 Versatile wrote: 1. that post was referring to an UNPROTECTED DT. i never agreed that BC should keep his checks secretly. not once. go read my posts. once again, stop misrepresenting my what i wrote. this is the same shyt people were doing to L. i have used to the same policy the entire time. i haven't changed my mind. so that point is null and void. 2. lol, are you serious? downplaying malongo's lynch? if i were mafia, what would i gain from doing this? and how was it a successful guess? NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died. that's not a towny victory. that's just bad luck for the mafia. further, citi.zen and L both said the same thing. but it only matters to you that i said it right? 3. i don't understand how you can say that i am "stirring up the town based on perceived false consensus". i am not the only towny who has said this, so there is no perceived false consensus. fact is, it is very unlikely that that all three of you are blue/green. that's what i think, and if you don't like, go cry to someone else about it. now, instead of riding my jock, maybe you'd like to actually post something substantial. cut the "all will be made clear in the morning's dawn when God whispers in your ear" bullshit. you're also an elected official and i don't see you doing much either. in fact, i find it suspicious that you're taking all the heat for BC when you claim to be suspicious of him yourself. what's up with that, boss? Thank you for the nonsense garbage reply that ignores half of my statements. Again, "the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red". I think everyone would agree that I'm not taking your posts out of context here. Only is a pretty strong word. And even if I look at the post you're replying to, Abenson doesn't mention unprotected DTs specifically. Oops and you decide not to respond to my comments on your second and third pms. Trying to cover that up? "NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died." This is true. But why are you trying to deny the fact that BC and I started the move against Malongo? Sure, it wasn't the most solid analysis, but it still counts for something. Regardless of what the outcome was, its the actions and the motives that are important here. Yes, you are downplaying Malongo's lynch, perhaps because as mafia, you fear that BC and I will become too trusted by the town. There's no logical reason why BC and I would start a train against our own mafia teammate when we didn't have to. Everyone seemed perfectly happy bandwagoning Abenson. Mafia didn't need to break the status quo. And now you're saying they did. I now have proof that BC and I are either BOTH mafia or both town, which I'll bring up later. I'm taking the heat for BC because you are doing something incredibly narrow minded, short sighted, and misguided. As for you, I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the thread with all that vulgar and useless language. On March 17 2010 05:25 Abenson wrote: I went to mafiascum.net and I've just realized that Incog is scummer himself and won the IC award :O I don't play on mafiascum. Quote from sidesprang: No this is a quote from me. On March 17 2010 07:45 Bill Murray wrote: sorry for misquoting you sidesprang, seemed suspicious though. i guess ill ask you, then, incognito. why were you so worried about malongo's inactivity? I wasn't even aware he was inactive, I was bloody f5ing the voting thread ready to switch my vote on him if he showed up. This has been stated several times. Inactive + ran for mayor then disappeared. He's also known for posting a lot more. And Abenson was a worse lynch target because nobody defended him and he was acting like he was every game. On March 17 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: Also, Incognito, why have you been a lot less active in organizing the town this game as compared with the last? Because I haven't. More to come. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 53. An interesting page that has a handful of people spamming "that sucks" posts all over. Yes it does suck. But Versatile, I thought you wanted us to die anyway? On to business. And roleclaims. And clearing BC of guilt. First off, I am the Bus Driver. If you guys haven't figured it out yet, the reason why we all had figured out blues was because we were all blue. Durr. And the reason why I didn't claim driver after my election was so that the mafia/mafia driver wouldnt mess up our checks. So, on to confirmations. Night 1, BC checks sidesprang. I bus sidesprang and L. L is rolechecked and comes up as a Mad Hatter, which is all fine and dandy. While this confirms L and me to BC, it did nothing to confirm BC to me. Day 2, I receive a pm from a claimed DT. Now I get hella suspicious of BC, guessing that the balance would be terribly off if we had 2 DTs and only 5 mafia. So fearing that I had wasted my first bus to a manipulative GF, I decided to end this once and for all. BC would be tested by bus. Simple, really. I ask BC to check player X. Then, I use my powers to swap player X with any of the other remaining 19 players on the field. BC now has to guess who I swapped with, in addition to the role. 1/19 is pretty slim for a fake DT. Fortunately, BC passed the test. So either we are both mafia, or we are both town. Any questions? 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It is unlikely that both DTs would check the same target on night 1. However, sidesprang was fishy. So it is somewhat understandable. Again, yes, the double check on sidesprang was what made me initially suspicious. But now I'm almost 100% sure that we have 2 legit DTs. | ||
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On March 17 2010 12:40 L wrote: Ah incog you're dumb. Don't tell them shit. Nop given the BG situation its time for a power play. Time to get this game wrapped up. | ||
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d3_crescentia - In previous games as town, he is vocal and provides some logical and useful insight for the town, both with behavioral analysis and general game plan discussion. This game, he has provided far less. Although he gave some reasons/work etc., I am still suspicious. Versatile - She has been contradicting herself the whole game and also posting garbage. She doesn't really do much except attack BC. She also does a pretty bad job at it too, considering she wants to insta lynch instead of gradually building the case with his "DT" checks. XeliN - First post, he states that he has a paper and won't be very active. Then he wants to make a rule against inactivity. Oops! Secondly, if you go through his posts, notice that a lot of his posts are defending Bill Murray. Does he defend anyone else? No. Does he try to accuse anyone else? Not really. Oops! XeliN also wants me over L or BC for Mayor/Pardoner. Claims I am a better candidate/stronger player. Maybe this is because of last game, but maybe its just because L/BC were more outspoken about their blueness. Other things: He votes for Abenson. After I post my reasons for Malongo. Reason? Because Abenson has contributed nothing. Malongo hadn't contributed anything either. Oops! Also the his next post he asks me to post my accusations of Malongo publically. Another oops? Either way, XeliN is probably tied to Bill Murray. He seems probably the most fishy to me. Bill Murray - Yes, we all know he spams. But I don't want to lynch him because he spams. I want to lynch him because I think he's mafia. Read L's analysis. Its good. Read my accusation of XeliN. If you think XeliN is suspicious, maybe you can agree with Bill Murray too? | ||
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On March 17 2010 12:45 Versatile wrote: 1. since you're trying to use my quotes against me, here's one from earlier on in the game that clarifies my feelings on people claiming. i can admit i could have been clearer in the post you quoted, but hopefully this will put it to rest. 2. what did you say about your PMs? what would i have to cover up? here are my PMs with incog for all who are interested. i have nothing to hide. read bottom up, bolded is me: + Show Spoiler + sure, if you promise to choke on a dick sometime within the next couple of hours once again, i don't play behind the scenes so stop PMing me. play in the thread. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Well if you don't play behind the scenes, I'm sure you're willing to post more in the thread? At the moment I don't think I've heard much from you, especially in the past few days. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well, i have no intel other than what i posted in the thread. i don't play the game behind the scenes. so i'll look for your info in there, if ever you post it. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What will catch our mayor is if he slips up a DT check. That doesn't require thread information. I just don't BC to have the bus driver excuse when I press him for a specific role check, if you know what I mean. Right now I'm just trying to gather intel from others on him. When/if I catch him I will post everything. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i think you should be posting in the thread if you suspect our mayor, because that's what will help the town. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Knowing that you are a responsible player, I would like to know your thoughts about the current situation. I have received some information that makes me doubt BC's legitimacy. What do you think? 3. i wasn't downplaying malongo's death, get over yourself. all i said was that it wasn't based on some fantastic move from the town. the guy was inactive, and he was modkilled. that took no skill from anyone. period. 4. i said it seriously, seriously sucks that zona is gone. nothing to do with you, friend. 5. i could give a damn what you think about my language. seriously. feel free not to read my posts. getting your panties in a bunch over some jokes and sarcasm. it's not personal, so why so sensitive. Sorry, I didn't mean pms I meant posts The second and third in the trio I quoted.Doesnt seem like you read my explanation on Malongo but ok. At this point I'm less sure about you than the others. At this point I'm leaning XeliN. What does everyone else think? | ||
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On March 17 2010 12:57 Bill Murray wrote: I feel like you all should keep me around based upon my alignment, my activity, and my ability to catch reds. First, I am green. You can not be sure of this, but I am. I promise to not ever play another mafia game with you all if I am not green or black this game. I am yearning for a town win. I am comforted by incognito promising that the officials have their acts together. I have put heat on people that are red. I do not see how that I am even being considered for a lynch target. I am a very active participant in the thread. There are many people with posts that you could count on your hands. I have had more than that on one page of the thread. Now, I'm not saying that my spamming is good, and starting with this post I'm going to attempt to begin consolidating my posting style again, like I tried to at the beginning of this thread, but if you'll notice in the thread it has shifted more towards course of action as opposed to FoS and putting heat on people. I feel like that my posting shifts with the current mood of the thread. The better the people are posting, and the more information they are giving out, the more I will take the game seriously and post like a champion. I feel like that in a late game scenario, in which I am green, there is 1 red, and there is 1 medic, I will vote correctly a better percent of the time than almost anyone. I have a great instinct and intuition for scummy behavior over time. I am a great judge of people's character over time. The more information I have about people, the better I can do in relation to analyzing their thought process and their overall alignment. This requires time, and that requires me to live. Think about what you all are doing. You are really arbitrarily wasting a lynch. There are 17 better candidates in my eyes, as I am the only person I am sure of. Quit talking about how you're so good at finding the mafia. Go find them. Like L said previously in response to ~OpZ~'s long defense posts, defending yourself doesn't do that much good unless you have a solid case. Sadly, you don't. So instead of trying to defend yourself, start generating some content. That makes us way more likely to not lynch you than if you just sit here spamming "IM GREEN" all day. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:00 citi.zen wrote: The problem is Incognito, you keep making very obviously bad arguments. Coming from you this is confusing. Perhaps it's fine from L, but not you. Here's why what you say above is wrong: as a mafia-aligned bus driver, your real power right now would not be busing people around, it would be information and access to a trusted circle. I am seriously tempted to say that lynching one of you is the best move, just to confirm the color before we go forward. Especially if L goes back to obnoxious shit like this: Can you point out my "obviously bad arguments"? I might be able to explain them. Has anyone important died? No. Well, not besides Zona. But that would kinda be expected from the mafia, no? Either way, as a mafia, I'd be way more inclined to just silence the people who roleclaim to me with bullets instead of trying to goad them, waste my powers, AND telling this all to the town. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:05 Bill Murray wrote: xelin is green just like i am, that's what i bloody think. Why. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote: I have the best defense in the world. I'm green. You want to put your head up for execution when I flip green? No? I wonder why. Because you know I'm town aligned. Thats it. I'm done with you. I gave you a chance, and you ignored it. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:14 citi.zen wrote: Still can't understand why the "other DT" would trust Incognito, the un-confirmable bus driver, over L, who he got to personally check. Another thing too: Ace dropped from this game because he thought it was too town-imbalanced with ONE DT in office, given the two body-guards, medics and unlimited checks. Now we're told there are TWO DTs and a town-allied bus driver? Why would Flamewheel do that? It makes no sense to me. Sorry to keep harping on this, but if Incognito (or, as a remote possibility, all 3 of you) are red, we're screwed. Of course, if you're all true-blue all's great. I'd love to be able to believe that, but I can't do it yet. Yes, I was wondering why he didnt claim to L either. I think it was something related to not trusting L/ thinking L would leak. Bad reasoning, I know, but I think it was a blind faith claim. But hey, we know a bunch of people who've claimed blindly. Yes, this game is hillariously imba. But totally awesome if you're the driver. Unfortunately, the role will probably be never used again since its so imba. If I'm red, why would I need to hit the BGs? If I already have BC in the bag, why would I need him dead? | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote: L, how about this: lynch me today. If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on. If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town. I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching. Why do you feel the need to be so defensive when we obviously have a bunch of other better targets to lynch? | ||
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On March 17 2010 14:28 Bill Murray wrote: I really don't know if I even enjoy playing mafia anymore. I'm the most obvious green in the whole thread, and people are simply voting for me because i'm an easy target. It's not even fun when people are all elitist and shit. Sure, you all may have more games under your belt, but that doesn't make you better than me. The elitism isn't what gets me though, it's the people who blindly follow them and bandwagon onto votes. This shit has got to stop. I wasn't elitist. I told you what you could do to help a few pages back. If you choose to ignore our suggestions, then don't come back yelling about how we're unfairly voting you. Saying I'm green doesn't make you green. Saying you don't lie is just circular logic. The way to prove yourself is not stating you're green. Its by producing content. | ||
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On March 17 2010 14:36 Bill Murray wrote: I'm producing more content than 90% of the people playing. I guess you're confused about what content means. How about for a start, you do what you did in that long post early in the game where you posted your suspicions. THAT was content. Right now you're just spamming useless claims. And no, you're not the same case as Abenson. Unlike Abenson, we have some solid information on you. So you can't claim the same defense I used for Abenson. | ||
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On March 17 2010 14:42 Bill Murray wrote: I'd like to know how in the fuck you have information on me when i'm green. This. | ||
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On March 17 2010 16:11 Bill Murray wrote: BloodyC0bbler Votes: 8 Vivi57 tree.hugger Incognito Zona Fulgrim Iaaan johnnyspazz CynanMachae Incognito Votes: 7 Versatile Abenson XeliN Fishball madnessman JeeJee Bill Murray It is a critical point of the game. I am trying to help you all. You can drastically improve your chances with 4/17 or 3/17. You have a 0% chance of 3/17 if you lynch me. I am a town member. I hope the town can finally see that since I am trying to be helpful, and to want what is best and good for this town. I'd love to win. If I was looking for a red, I would definitely be looking at where people voted, posts someone has made, and where the person was aligned. To me, it looks like it would be someone who was voting for L. The fact that L claims that mafia won't vote to try to get someone into office, and was generally mad about losing the election in which he really wanted pardoner while scummily claiming he wanted to be mayor. L was the true mayoral candidate, and tries to clear his name forcing Malongo to die since L posted right after Malongo's candidacy that he was probably the Mafia candidate. He would be cleared of the format, and made into Godfather by his team where he was the only veteran. L would then proceed to pick Mad Hatter because it is only accounted for posthumously. Malongo could say that the epic Chilean Earthquake devastated his IP and voila he would at most have a 1 game ban if any at all depending on the host. L then goes on to say RC me, Bus me, Focus on me I'm clean, and would have been saying "I pardon my red buddies." If I hadn't been a thorn in his side for that one, too. Glad that wasn't a vivi 2.0. By confusing the people in office and bein the one privately pming them whispering in their ears like wormtongue he can abuse them into doing what he wants them to do. He is being very manipulative having you all kill a person who is trying to help the town win moreso than any other player!!!!!!! Don't let him manipulate you. Be strong. He's wanted to kill me all game people! The Mafia will try to hide my post, trust me, this will get spammed to death if not tonight, before everyone wakes up. L is over 5% likely to be mafia, (1/18) and I am 0%. This is the only knowledge I have to impart to you all. I understand that you all believe that people say this no matter what their color, but I am seriously not a liar. I have been blue once, and I roleclaimed detective day 1 in a pm... maybe night 1... yeah. lol. I don't know what I'd do as red, because i haven't been blessed with being red yet. I say let's lynch L, see if I blow up, and then if he's red and we improve by 6% vs 4/17 (3/17), awesome. If he's really the mad hatter, we see fireworks, more awesome. I am open to other targets, but he really does have a strong case against himself. Thank you for posting. Sadly, this wall of text says nothing. You include an abhorrent misuse statistics, base your accusation on a conspiracy theory against L, and really fail to use any solid logic. I agree with tree.hugger. Fairly suspicious character imo. If you think you townies can slack off because all the blues have it together, you're wrong. Just because we know the blues doesn't mean its insta win. Come out and prove your innocence so we don't accidentally lynch you. Don't wait until you feel the pressure to defend yourself. It just makes you look more suspicious. Honestly Bill, why are l10f's and madnessman's posts more suspicious than you/XeliN? Don't say "because I'm green". XeliN: In my own opinion I have improved at this in general the more games I've played, not actually been great at catching mafia, quite the reverse, but have been good at identifying town just on the way they post. This is as incriminating as d3's observation. As you know, the mafia know who is and isn't innocent. It wouldn't be hard for you to magically know who is town and who isn't if you were mafia. While this is not solid and incriminating in itself, it can't be ignored. If you thought it was a bad idea THEN SAY SO, don't bring it up at a late point in the game as a reason to lynch me. I'm not saying that enforcing activity is a bad idea. In fact, I strongly support anti-inactivity measures. However, this is not about policy. It is about consistency. You have been anti-activity from day 1. But you haven't been the most active yourself. And the activity you do have is quite suspicious. I'm not trying to lynch you because you had an anti-activity stance. I'm accusing you because your words contradict your actions. Like BM, stop defending yourself and start producing content if you want me to believe you. At the time he was someone I was considering as well but apart from his runnning for mayor and going inactive there was little else to suggest his being mafia so I wanted you to provide your reasons. Your post asking for reasoning on Malongo....was already given by the time you posted this. And if you suspected Malongo initially, why did you vote for Abenson? Why did you ignore mentioning Malongo in the post above? You mentioned voting for Abenson because "he has not even posted recently and as far as I can tell has contributed nothing". The same holds true for Malongo, and Malongo was even more suspicious given that his behavior was different from previous games. Given your generic reasons for voting Abenson, you did not take the time to look at other equally suspicious people, and decide to ignore Malongo even though "there was little else to suggest [Abenson]'s being mafia" either. And yes, you might want to bring more attention to a fellow mafia if you knew that that mafia was inactive anyway. Or if you thought that your supposedly harmless question could get people to doubt lynching Malongo. Either way, I'm considering changing my vote to the Godfather. What do you all think? | ||
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On March 18 2010 02:06 Bill Murray wrote: Also, there's no way in hell anyone can know Incognito's alignment. He doesn't even know it himself. He's neutral. He could be like the secret nazi, he could be town aligned, or he could be mafia aligned. There's really no way that anyone can know this. I know my own alignment. | ||
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1. Where's your proof that he knew l10f was online. 2. This: "The likeliehood of me being mafia is 0%" is not logic. | ||
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On March 18 2010 02:27 Versatile wrote: someone wanna explain the push for the dbl lynch? oh grand town leaders, with brains the size of peas....ermm, eggplants, uhhh, cantaloupes...yeah.... who are the two suspects you hope to lynch with a dbl lynch? hmmmmmm? Before answering this question, who are your top suspects? Don't you think that given that we get 2 DT checks tonight and have a bunch of fishy inactives we'll find someone to lynch? Did you run out of suspects to lynch now that you can't attack BC anymore? | ||
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On March 18 2010 02:56 Versatile wrote: will you stop being an idiot for two seconds? listen. any decent player with half a mind would seriously question BC and how he's decided to play this game. you might not like my methods, but the intent is there. BC is an invincible DT and has played this whole thing scared. he's a freaking invincible DT! do you know what the means? he can take risks. he can act more freely. he could have sown this thing up so long ago it's ridiculous. he played vague, he was uncooperative, and he did not lead the town in the thread. i cannot believe you're surprised at how much i questioned him. a supposed DT mayor who has done nothing to prove it to the town out in public? gtfo. i don't trust all willy nilly. that's how you get screwed, and he didn't prove shyt in the thread. secondly, you're exceedingly narrow-minded for not understand why i have seriously questioned BC. you guys have played this entire thing behind the scenes. that's fine. that was your strategy. however, when you come in the thread and come at me because i'm not on the same page as you, please realize you're being ridiculous. it's like, the equation is (2+4) * (5+6) in the thread so here i am thinking the answer is 66, but there's another part of the equation in PMs that says divide by 2, and i'm supposed to know the real answer is 33? well, dumbass, i don't get where you're coming from because i don't have the all the information you do. so don't expect me to magically come to same conclusions as you. and no, i'm not going to sit back and just trust you know what you're doing because i'm not a sheep. and as a general comment, i don't know how many times this can be said: playing the game in PMs ruins it in so many ways. sure, it's useful in moderation. but seriously. take a look at this thread. this game has been incredibly slow. when information is shared with the town the game is more exciting and more fun for everyone involved. it also gives the mafia a fairer chance, especially in a game that is this much towny favored. it's not about the cool kids table. it's about making this enjoyable for everyone involved, and giving everyone the chance to get better at it. seriously, if you keep writing off some players as stupid or worthless, and don't bother to try to help them learn, the quality of these games will never improve. i've been here for three games and it's the same idiots being tricked by the same idiots and leading the town down the road to hell regardless of what anyone's role is in any given game. oh, and i guess i'll take this moment to sincerely apologize to anyone whose feelings i may have hurt. it's just a game. i attack people's posts and logic because that's what you do in this game. i don't care who's name is attached to the post, so don't take my jabs and jokes seriously, it's all in good fun. now i'm going to go back to trying to find a way out of this game that doesn't get me banned. I'm not attacking you for attacking BC viciously. Yes, attacking BC was justified. I even doubted him at once. But you have ONLY attacked BC. You don't offer any alternatives. And I just asked you who your top suspects are, and you give...nothing. Don't expect me to just hand you free information. Both Zona and I have stated plenty of times how the town can help. But all these same people keep doing the same things. Popping up just to defend themselves insufficiently, then disappear. Or not, in the case of Bill Murray. Its not our fault if people refuse to take the advice. | ||
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On March 18 2010 09:36 Foolishness wrote: What the hell? Where did I say Incog should get medic protection? I said he shouldn't get medic protection and the DTs should. I just laid out a near worst possibly situation, in which the town still looks good to win. You just said that's all bullshit. GUESS WHAT? YOURE RIGHT! THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POST! CONGRATS! YOUR EGO CAN NOW GLOAT AS YOU MASTURBATE TO HOW AWESOME YOU ARE! Even if Incog was the mafia bus driver, I highly doubt he knows who the mafia are, and I doubt any of the mafia are going to claim to him. You highly doubt I know who the mafia are? Hmm...maybe that's because I'm on the wrong track. Maybe I should vote for you/nemY/tree.hugger/Iaaan. Now am I on the right track? | ||
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On March 18 2010 11:09 Foolishness wrote: Haven't you been reading the thread? L, BC, and Incog have decided that killing the most obvious green in our town is the way to play the game. It doesn't matter if those guys are mafia, we need to kill innocents. Then who are the mafia O Great One? | ||
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From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: bill murray Date: 3/18/10 11:24 Look, I really think BM is obviously green and that killing him is a waste. If you can straight up tell me that lynching him is the right move for the town and that you will get more information out of lynching him than anyone else than I'll vote for him. Informations. I am somewhat at a loss on what to say about this, as you have not yet voted. If you can straight up tell me that lynching (insert whoever you want to lynch here) is the right move for the town and that you will get more information of of lynching him than BM, then I'll vote for him. Anyway, a few stabs in the dark for you: By Lynching XeliN: If red, then BM could be red, but XeliN could have just been setting him up. If green, then we learn nothing. By Lynching d3: Nothing. Uneless you can point out a connection here. By Lynching l10f: Nothing. He's posted hardly anything. By lynching nemY: Same as the above. By lynching sidesprang: Same as above. Unless I'm missing something here? I honestly don't see what we get by lynching the above candidates except for maybe XeliN. Even then, its only if Xelin flips red. Bill has supporters. Foolishness/l10f/XeliN. If Bill flips red, you're under suspicion. If he flips green, I'd still be suspicious of Foolishness calling out a green so easily. When I think there are plenty more greens out there he should have found. XeliN and l10f I can probably let off the hook. So we get to the question, is Bill red. Maybe. At this point I'm leaning toward no. But hey, I'm not voting Bill am I? From: l10f [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: voting Date: 3/18/10 11:34 I don't think BM would be acting like that if he was mafia. He sounds like an obvious townie to me also. I believe Tree.hugger is a good person to lynch, but I think it can wait till tomorrow's double lynch. I don't want to vote for someone who won't get lynched, that would be counterproductive, so I think I'll go with Foolishness or Xelin, both of which I think are more likely to be mafia than BM. Funny how you both pm me. When its L who is orchestrating this lynch. Go bug him instead. Anyway, why do you both pm me defending Bill when you could and should be posting in the thread? Interesting... Anyway, why don't you want to vote for someone who won't get lynched? Doesn't make sense to me at all. If we're all worried about that, we'd all vote the same way. Interesting though, cause I thought a mafia would rather vote for someone who's NOT going to die so they don't get scrutinized for voting a townie. Maybe you don't want to stick out on a list all by yourself? Don't want the mafia to target you for being right on? | ||
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On March 19 2010 06:15 Foolishness wrote: Hey buddy, I voted ages ago. Try doing research before making a post, you're making showtime! look good. Right now you're the one organizing the town, you're the most sensible person right now since BC hardly posts. Why wouldn't I pm you? It's my personal goal to make sure I never PM Ace or L in a mafia game, and so far so good, I have no intention to change that. If you want a better reason, L is hardset on killing BM, and has been suspicious of him for day one (and it's not just a vendetta like people say). I don't think there's much I can say that can convince him. You're last paragraph is very wordy and confusing (if it's aimed at l10f and not me then whatever). "Why don't I want to vote for someone who won't get lynched?" What does that even mean? I'm voting for Xelin because I believe he's mafia. This isn't about getting scrutinized later, it's about trying to find mafia. How come the three leaders of this town cannot agree on anything? You even said BM's probably not red yet you voted for him asap and only changed after I started defending him. From my perspective it's like this: you guys are killing an obvious townie. I don't want to kill someone who I believe is a townie, especially when there's a group of inactive players (which is nearly everyone I've said I'm suspicious about). But hey, you're one of the leaders of this town, if you think we should be killing all the active players and letting the 6 or so inactive players just sit around the rest of the game, that's you're call. You accounted for L being the GF in one of our PMs and said we can kill him tomorrow in the double lynch. Might as well anyways yes? He is one of the most active players. Yeah Incognito, you're right. Killing active players is how the town can win this game. Inactives can't be mafia, and are probably all innocent. Mafia must be here arguing against you and spamming the thread. It's so obvious now. Actually right now I'm not organizing the town. I guess BC/L decided to toss me out of the bus once I ran out of driving juice. Either way, yes the last paragraph was to l10f. BM looks active. But he says pretty much nothing. So I consider him on the inactive list. Of course there is a group of inactive players. What do you think RCs and bombs are for? Either way, quit yelling at me. I'm not the one voting Bill. If you feel like it, you can continue with the sarcasm, but it doesn't help your case. Nice job responding to my statements and giving us a wonderful candidate that will give us more information. On March 19 2010 07:41 Foolishness wrote: Hey haven't you been reading the thread? Incog says we must lynch obvious greens, as it will give us the most information. Here I will summarize what Incog thinks: 1) We kill BM and he turns up red: In that case since I am defending him so hard I must be red also, therefore we kill me next day. 2) We kill BM and he turns up green: In that case, I was defending him because I knew he was green because I am mafia and he's not on my team. So either way, I'm going to die next day. But no matter! We must kill BM anyways! Can't you see how brilliant Incog is? No wonder he's a veteran player! Nope I didn't say to lynch obvious greens. Points 1 and 2 are moot. You're suspicious anyway regardless of Bills alignment. Nope I didn't say lynch BM anyways. Look who I'm voting. | ||
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On March 19 2010 12:45 XeliN wrote: Yes I had other options to vote for, but bills change to voting me at the last minute and trying to get a bandwagon starting on me annoyed me, specially as we had PM'd each other alot and he made it seem like he considered me green, so when he switched I voted for him. As for better people I could have voted for I agree (not that it would have made a difference) In fact I sepcifically listed 4 people who I considered, and still consider likely to be mafia. Foolishness, D3, 10F and Versatile. It looks like our behind the scenes people are going to win this game for us anyway which is both good and bad, good because it sucks when the mafia wins but bad because it feels like I haven't been able to even be a part of this game. The elitism in mafia is kinda sickening, people like L being overly forceful of their opinions and BC//Incog and L as well just simply taking over things entirely. Obviously good strategy as from reading L's post seems an easy win is incoming, but as far as everyone acting together and enjoying the game//participating it sucks. In future I am never voting for a veteran to go into office, this game has taught me that much. Actually this game has taught me that bus drivers are hillariously awesome but completely imba. Regardless I still stand by the idea that you just don't announce your DT checks even if you're elected. Unless you're trying to force the mafia to hit the greens and not blues. But probably confirmed townies > forcing the mafia to choose certain hits. Because they could always wait a day to hit. Either way, probably next game will have to be regular. No plans, just straight up traditional mafia. Finding scum the way you normally do. No shooting order lists, no DT/BD plans. But this means everyone has to post. | ||
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On March 21 2010 01:39 XeliN wrote: Was clever swapping Bloody for someone Incog, I was under the impression that you had used your abilities already and we almost double hit him last night, I suggested either that or hitting L, Iaaan or Madnessman (After my semi fake post about being upset with bloody//incog for taking over he wrote "shit I feel bad now" which kinda said he was blue) Boo I hoped you would have hit BC and killed yourselves !On March 21 2010 07:27 Zona wrote: WTF is this? Earlier in the game you post a DT list, which is pretty much declaring DT checks - and now you "stand by the idea" that you DON'T announce your DT checks? The game's over...but I still have to point this out. And don't get me wrong. I have nothing personal against you. In fact I think it's great that you host games and play in them. It's also my hope that you don't have any particular grudge against me for losing all interest in your second hosted game. However, it's just that your ideas were so all over the board (and poor) all game, and I need to point them out. Like I said before, I posted this to try to confuse the mafia bus. That is all. I already knew BC was DT, and since I assumed there was only 1 DT, I figured we already controlled the DT check and all we had to do was make sure the mafia bus didn't mess with it. Which is why we had the list. I still stand by the medic list though. In perspective I thought it was reasonably decent. Nice of you to come out posting about the list though. Before then I wasn't sure of your alignment. On March 21 2010 11:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I still had you as red. I was originally checking you last night till L messaged me at like the last second to swap to opz. Dang it if I were here I would have sent you my ~OpZ~ pms. He was innocent to me after he came out and started pming me. On March 21 2010 13:38 johnnyspazz wrote: incognito, do you think you will have an archive for every game you participate in? I would like to, but it seems as if people miss out on updating so I have to go through the thread the old fashioned way anyway. It would be nice if there was a program that automatically compiled the posts but meh. With all the antagonism against it I probably won't do it anymore. Anyway two more thoughts: Even with BM's lynch and the BGs dead I still think town had an advantage. Especially since I bluffed with my second bus. Which btw brings me to the point that a two shot (town) bus driver actually can have 3 shots if used properly, while a two shot mafia bus driver only really does have two shots (mafia driver gains nothing by bluffing the swap, while town driver does: i.e. to confirm innocents. Actually, if I were thinking on day 1 instead of trying to get BC/L/me semi-confirmed we would have ended up with 3 confirmed innocents on day 1). Anyway, mafia couldn't really kill BC day 3 since I had a hidden bus left. It wouldn't matter if I died because then BC could explain everything. I'm kinda disappointed BC/L weren't more coordinated with stopping Fishball from swapping BC/tree.hugger, since I did that myself within minutes of the night post. Either way, we were prepared to carpet bomb the Abenson vote list on day 4, as L posted in thread. Given that we had 2 bombs + driver + a DL + 2 RCs, we could have eliminated that list in one day, netting us 3 mafia (GF included). d3_crescentia <--Got the feeling he was green after he popped up and defended himself after I posted Foolishness XeliN citi.zen <--Claimed blue (I also had him innocent early in the game, sad that L chose to bomb him )tree.hugger Bill Murray <-- Dead Day 3 nemY I was also leaning toward d3 being innocent and apparently citi.zen claimed to BC, so that left us with a pretty narrow pool. Also last point thanks flamewheel91 for hosting the game. I'm still curious though, did you get any advice on balance or check it with someone? | ||
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