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citi.zen
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~OpZ~
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So I'll be mafia yea! plus the bitch... | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
at the time i voted, it was L and incog who were the top candidates and incog read as more pro-town to me, hence my vote. a couple of things: incog stated he expected more form me in this game. this in itself is not strange, because i'm pretty sure incog is familiar with my playing on another site. however, he called out malongo and foolishness as well. i don't believe malongo has addressed this accusation yet. however, foolishness not only didn't bother to defend himself to incog or any other player, but went as far as defending incog's post and went back and forth with zona. this struck me because if zona's not town, who the hell is? check his posts, if i had been around, that's who i would i have changed my vote to. in any case, i also received an incog PM stating "first". however, i believe the medics need to be protecting zona, and i hope that's what they decide to do. as i stated earlier, DTs ought to be checking the vote lists. if we have a mafia member in office, it's likely a mafia member or two voted for them, especially with a last minute vote swing, if i read correctly. i also don't think anyone without protection should be claiming a damn thing to anyone right now. DTs should be investigating and building up their circle in the most secure and legitimate way they can, and it's far too early to be trusting anyone. going to update my archives now. | ||
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On March 12 2010 16:25 Malongo wrote: Yeah L i know u like to get people accounted for. -Not mafia. -Not claimming. But i let you search my rol list from previous games and let you think. -I have 2 people in mind: versatile and one of the people running. Ill post tomorrow my reasons if you like to know. Lynching an inactive/spammer is another chance but i think we can get more info from a more strong lynch at first. There has been some back and forth up to now in the thread. -Im voting you. I know i can spot you doing your weird mafia stuff and i also know you are valuable if town. Honeslty id really want to be there, i hope i dont end up kicking you away from a spot but as i said at this point im a very good player to get in. i don't think you came back and posted your reasons and who your second lynch candidate was like you said you would? did they make it into office? unless i missed it, and if i did, my apologies. please point it out to me if you wouldn't mind. thanks. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
On March 13 2010 18:12 Incognito wrote: Which is why we need Cynan to speak up. What do you think about recent events? First of all, I think I should explain my vote change from Incognito to BC yesterday (not last minute, but a change still). From Incognito's posting, I had the feeling that he was green instead of blue, since he seemed to think BC/L had good chances of being blues, which the other candidates weren't doing. I switched to BC then, because between him and L, if someone was to be blue, I was more convinced it was BC. Lynching JeeJee, while it did came as suprise, I don't think was a bad choice. He was playing quite anti-town. If he indeed flipped red, we would have learned A LOT, from his PMing and that last minute switch. Ok, I just read that bodyguards can't be rolechecked. While I only can say so with certitude about myself, I really do think Zona is also town. His posting is very protown and that's the impression I've got talking with him about the election. | ||
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L
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In other news; Mafia please don't hit me toniiiiiight :3. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On March 13 2010 15:33 Zona wrote: I would like to call out L, nemY, and Bloodycobbler for voting for d3_crescentia. Not being allowed to abstain in votes is a huge plus for town members as votes reveal information that can be used to evaluate a player later in the game. Yet the three of you subvert that by essentially abstaining by voting for someone who has basically not participated in the game so far. Explain yourselves - why can you not commit to helping the town by leaving a paper trail of your opinion? Obviously there's only two logical reasons for voting for d3_crescentia 1.) L, myself and BC are all mafia and were trying to make a late game push for our other mafia buddy, d3_crescentia. 2.) We're the three best friends that anyone could have... | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out. | ||
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On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote: I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious. Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out. Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history. | ||
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XeliN
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On March 14 2010 05:00 XeliN wrote: In what way did he actively try to fuck with the town? Well, he basically gutted the plan that was on the table, allowed mafia to swing under the premise of working with him and got the person with the shadiest vote list elected. Do you honestly not see how that would cause problems or require the town to use a lynch or two to clear up? | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Please explain "got the person with the shadiest vote list elected" more clearly as well, asin your reasoning behind it. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote: What in the world.. Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: [quote]L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah[/quote] Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:29 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: [quote]it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little[/quote] Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. [/QUOTE] oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you[/QUOTE] Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. [/QUOTE] you're not helping your case[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:47 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: [quote]Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not.[/quote] [quote]Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing.[/quote]i i'm a little confused here [/QUOTE] it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver"  [/QUOTE]Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2.[/QUOTE] except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green[/QUOTE] Collection of Jeejee's important posts, which you should all read. Jeejee is against L the whole game, supporting incognito. The only reason L is supporting this lynch is because of how Jeejee was making things difficult for him. Your not basing your opinion on real analysis, just emotions. He didn't gut the towns plans, just yours. With BC, it looks like he never really agreed with Jeejee, and with L putting emphasis on his last minute vote changing, was pushed into lynching Jeejee. I'm a little disappointed with BC, if you actually read Jeejee's posts, it is very clear that it was not surprising at all that he vote for incognito. I'm sure the reason he waited until the end was because he expected the mafia too keep the votes on their candidate close, and that if he changed earlier, the mafia would simply switch a few of their members to their candidate. It has been said, if the mafia want their candidate to be elected, they will be elected. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote: What in the world.. Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote: and of course I mess up the spoiler/quotes. Fixed it in this to make it easier for everyone. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote: What in the world.. Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: [quote]L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah[/quote] Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:29 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: [quote]it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little[/quote] Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. [/QUOTE] oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you[/QUOTE] Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. [/QUOTE] you're not helping your case[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:47 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: [quote]Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not.[/quote] [quote]Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing.[/quote]i i'm a little confused here [/QUOTE] it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver" [/QUOTE]Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2.[/QUOTE] except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green[/QUOTE] Collection of Jeejee's important posts, which you should all read. Jeejee is against L the whole game, supporting incognito. The only reason L is supporting this lynch is because of how Jeejee was making things difficult for him. Your not basing your opinion on real analysis, just emotions. He didn't gut the towns plans, just yours. With BC, it looks like he never really agreed with Jeejee, and with L putting emphasis on his last minute vote changing, was pushed into lynching Jeejee. I'm a little disappointed with BC, if you actually read Jeejee's posts, it is very clear that it was not surprising at all that he vote for incognito. I'm sure the reason he waited until the end was because he expected the mafia too keep the votes on their candidate close, and that if he changed earlier, the mafia would simply switch a few of their members to their candidate. It has been said, if the mafia want their candidate to be elected, they will be elected. Uh no. I supported this lynch because he's done by far the scummiest thing of the game. Organizing a literal last minute vote swing without knowing that the people you're talking to are confirmed is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE way to cloak a mafia push. So yeah if mafia wanted incog in, they just got him in. If they wanted BC in, this was an easy way to throw heat off of him. Bill Murray should be our next lynch target. Period. | ||
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Bill Murray
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whatever, dude. i'm ok with being lynched if it means that they'll kill you next, and i'll enjoy you flipping red. i know i'm green. it's obvious that i'm green because the reds wouldn't let me run for mayor, and the last minute vote swing was initiated by a green. this all but clears myself and incognito. if you have a problem with that, you are an idiot. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
I already showed that his vote change was to be expected, why would be vote for you in one thread, and go completely against you in the other? You were talking about killing Jeejee for accountability, at least take responsibility yourself for pushing a bad lynch. And BC also, why didn't you kill madnessman, he switched first and independently of jeejee, without posting reasons in the thread beforehand, or bill murray even? Jeejee was obviously the most dangerous one out of all of them, he actually pushed against people. I'm sure the mafia are glad to have him out of the way. And you say that if the mafia wanted BC or incognito in, they got them in. Well, You would have gotten in, if it hadn't been for a townie interfering, Jeejee. You could just as easily be mafia, angry at Jeejee for fighting against you, then stopping you from getting elected. @Bill murray How does you dying prove that incognito is innocent? Your just tying yourself to him because you think you might die and you want to influence the game somehow, by creating a link that doesn't exist between you and someone you blindly trust. | ||
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On March 14 2010 06:47 Iaaan wrote: @L I already showed that his vote change was to be expected, why would be vote for you in one thread, and go completely against you in the other? You were talking about killing Jeejee for accountability, at least take responsibility yourself for pushing a bad lynch. And BC also, why didn't you kill madnessman, he switched first and independently of jeejee, without posting reasons in the thread beforehand, or bill murray even? Jeejee was obviously the most dangerous one out of all of them, he actually pushed against people. I'm sure the mafia are glad to have him out of the way. And you say that if the mafia wanted BC or incognito in, they got them in. Well, You would have gotten in, if it hadn't been for a townie interfering, Jeejee. You could just as easily be mafia, angry at Jeejee for fighting against you, then stopping you from getting elected. @Bill murray How does you dying prove that incognito is innocent? Your just tying yourself to him because you think you might die and you want to influence the game somehow, by creating a link that doesn't exist between you and someone you blindly trust. Nah, it was a good lynch. If the guy is green and trying to setup vote swings by PM, he should die. Period. Since I know a bit more about my role than you my perspective of the situation is a bit more clear. Regardless, Bill Murray is the best lynch for tomorrow. | ||
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