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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
I agree with what BB said below me. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 19 2011 07:33 deconduo wrote: I won't ask for a ban as he did ask permission to leave. However, I would suggest something about requiring a legimate reason to leave the game be added to the OP. I don't feel a ban is deserved as this (as far as I know) hasn't come up before, and I did allow him to leave. This is my opinion, we can't ban Ken for this because there wasn't a specific rule against it. However, in the future, we should make it clear that if you sign up for a game, you play the whole game unless you have a LEGITIMATE reason to leave (time commitment, etc.). So, maybe a warning, and add to the model OP "if you leave the game without legitimate reasons, you will get modkilled. Play the game you signed up for" or something similar. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 19 2011 12:11 BrownBear wrote: This is my opinion, we can't ban Ken for this because there wasn't a specific rule against it. However, in the future, we should make it clear that if you sign up for a game, you play the whole game unless you have a LEGITIMATE reason to leave (time commitment, etc.). So, maybe a warning, and add to the model OP "if you leave the game without legitimate reasons, you will get modkilled. Play the game you signed up for" or something similar. On the contrary I do not think a rule should be applied for this case. From the player's perspective (and this is just speculation), Kenpachi was very frustrated (for whatever reasons), and knew that he wouldn't be able to play at his full potential, so he asked for a replacement. If I was in the game I'd much prefer him to ask for a replacement if he's going to have a bummed out attitude as I would not want to play with a player who isn't going to be trying. I think it's okay he asked to get replaced, but the way he went about it was uncalled for. (I'm not trying to criticize him, I'm only trying to provide another perspective on the issue) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 19 2011 13:11 Foolishness wrote: On the contrary I do not think a rule should be applied for this case. From the player's perspective (and this is just speculation), Kenpachi was very frustrated (for whatever reasons), and knew that he wouldn't be able to play at his full potential, so he asked for a replacement. If I was in the game I'd much prefer him to ask for a replacement if he's going to have a bummed out attitude as I would not want to play with a player who isn't going to be trying. I think it's okay he asked to get replaced, but the way he went about it was uncalled for. (I'm not trying to criticize him, I'm only trying to provide another perspective on the issue) While what you're saying holds truth, in that players who are frustrated seldom play to their full potential, there is also the problem of dealing with losses, and playing for your team. Anyone in that game could've called for a replacement, I fucked up and put the town in a bad position. Thankfully only one person did it, but do we want to set the example that it's okay to just quit if people feel the game isn't going their way? That might lead to some shorter games than we're used to. If you can only "play to your full potential" when everyone is acting the way you want them to act, and whenever someone makes a mistake (or I could have been mafia or 3rd party, he had no way of knowing), you just quit and tell your fellow players they're newbies. Another problem is that this is almost exclusively town behavior. People who ragequit over town mistakes become highly likely "confirmed" town, so the mafia might want to start meta-gaming and having one of their own ragequit to reduce suspicion. I get what you're saying Foolishness, and in an ideal world I'd agree with you, and we'd allow players who get upset to leave the games without repercussions, but it might create problems like the ones I described above, so I think I like Qatol's idea better of adding something to the OP about playing for your team and sticking it through. As for this specific example, a warning is fine (this should be common sense), and the OP could be remedied. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Don't sign up for a game if you can't play it. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:14 GMarshal wrote: Lord Vatti has been modkilled in SNMMIV for failure to vote. Standard one game ban for him, although I don't know if he'll be back. Why do all the friends I introduce to mafia get modkilled day 1?  I haven't heard from Vatti in a while, but when we last talked said that he was in the process of switching computers and he got a virus, so mafia probably wasn't a priority. Unlike Lazorbear, he was genuinely interested in playing, but shit happened and he couldn't. I'll try to get in touch with him, see what he says. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:04 Varpulis wrote: Why do all the friends I introduce to mafia get modkilled day 1? I haven't heard from Vatti in a while, but when we last talked said that he was in the process of switching computers and he got a virus, so mafia probably wasn't a priority. Unlike Lazorbear, he was genuinely interested in playing, but shit happened and he couldn't. I'll try to get in touch with him, see what he says. If he has a legitimate reason, and with you vouching for him, I'm ok with dropping it to a warning. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On the other hand, it's my fault for aidnai--so nothing. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 20 2011 09:59 GMarshal wrote: If he has a legitimate reason, and with you vouching for him, I'm ok with dropping it to a warning. Ho does have a pretty legitimate reason, apparently he had severe computer problems and he gave a good apology. Drop it to a warning. Thanks Qatol ^_^ | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On June 20 2011 11:03 flamewheel wrote: grassgiraffe has been modkilled in TL Mafia XLII for not complying with activity requirements. Standard. On the other hand, it's my fault for aidnai--so nothing. The first time i read that I thought his name was gassygiraffe. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 26 2011 15:44 Scaramanga wrote: How are the mafia games going these days guys? Slightly less Australian rage quitting DT's. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
I want a warning for gtrsrs, for bad behavior. While he did prove somewhat responsive to warnings his attitude was bad enough that he singlehandedly made two players basically go afk as to not have to deal with him. Pyo has gone as far as to refuse to participate in any game in which gtrsrs is also involved. Its not a ban because he did in fact shape up enough after a warning to be more polite that I could not modkill him. I find his attitude to be poor enough that he should get a warning, both to serve as an example that that kind of behavior is not tolerated (especially in a newbie game) and to make sure he gets the message. Here are some of his posts that make me think he deserves a warning. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232826¤tpage=13#252 is an example of demeaning another player for no real reason, especially considering we are in an international forum and English is not everyones first language. This also comes after I had warned people to play nice. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232826¤tpage=15#294 should have gotten him modkilled, but I was nice enough to leave him with a PMed warning and an official call to keep a civil tone for the rest of the thread. He did shape up, and did not get modkilled, but his behavior was disruptive enough that I feel like a warning is called for. There are other players who skirted the line, but not nearly as severely as gtrs did. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On June 29 2011 06:13 GMarshal wrote: I want a warning for gtrsrs, for bad behavior. While he did prove somewhat responsive to warnings his attitude was bad enough that he singlehandedly made two players basically go afk as to not have to deal with him. Pyo has gone as far as to refuse to participate in any game in which gtrsrs is also involved. Worth noting as well is that gtrsrs is banned from all games I host due to his behavior in XL. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
also especially considering we are in an international forum and English is not everyones first language. nearly positive, but not going to bother to check, isn't one of the TL tenants that english and only english is the language of the forum? anyways thank you for making it just a warning not a ban but i felt like i needed to clear my name up a little bit also thanks iGrok, i think you should probably repost that on the next page of this topic too just in case i forget and sign up for one of your games | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 29 2011 14:42 gtrsrs wrote: in my defense i was getting bandwagoned (by a clever mafia to be fair) on day 1 as a blue, in part because i wasn't keeping up my tunneling persona from the XL. so i had to turn it on to not get lynched since even claiming wasn't saving me. i also apologized profusely and i was not *even* the only one flaming, and i *did* stop as soon as it was asked of me. also nearly positive, but not going to bother to check, isn't one of the TL tenants that english and only english is the language of the forum? anyways thank you for making it just a warning not a ban but i felt like i needed to clear my name up a little bit also thanks iGrok, i think you should probably repost that on the next page of this topic too just in case i forget and sign up for one of your games Do not misunderstand this. You were SPARED a ban and got a warning instead. What I want to hear now is *not* your justifications for your behaviour. I would expect others share my view. Try acting humble and realize that it´s not someone else´s fault at all you behaved like this. It´s your fault. Get clear on that. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On June 29 2011 14:42 gtrsrs wrote: in my defense i was getting bandwagoned (by a clever mafia to be fair) on day 1 as a blue, in part because i wasn't keeping up my tunneling persona from the XL. so i had to turn it on to not get lynched since even claiming wasn't saving me. i also apologized profusely and i was not *even* the only one flaming, and i *did* stop as soon as it was asked of me. A bandwagon is no defense for the things you posted. A lot of them were personal attacks, which are never acceptable here. If you get that emotional during a game again, just walk away from the keyboard until you calm down. Your apologies and you stopping are the only reasons this wasn't a ban request from what I understand, so they were definitely noticed and thank you for that. also nearly positive, but not going to bother to check, isn't one of the TL tenants that english and only english is the language of the forum? While it is true that the official language of TL is english, that doesn't mean you get to be a jerk about it. You have to realize that English is not the first language of a lot of posters on this site. As a result, they may make some of the more common mistakes such as confusing your and you're. The commandment is more worried about effort than anything else (though there is obviously a certain level of language proficiency which is required). They're obviously trying to use English, and their English was understandable enough, so they are not breaking the commandment. Their error does not give you license to correct them in an embarrassing and insulting manner in the middle of the game. If you are really that bothered by it, and you think they will be receptive to polite corrections, send them a PM when the game is over or send it to your game host to be forwarded along to that player (so you aren't breaking the no PMs rule). anyways thank you for making it just a warning not a ban but i felt like i needed to clear my name up a little bit also thanks iGrok, i think you should probably repost that on the next page of this topic too just in case i forget and sign up for one of your games He made his position clear. He doesn't need to fill up this thread with reminders for you. If you forget and sign up for one of his games, he can just refuse to put you on the player list and link you to the post he made here. | ||
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