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XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 20 2010 22:08 GMT
#1881
Can someone knowledgable explain if Ver is completely innocent or still open to suspicion btw?

I kinda decided to trust him and PM'd him my role but im having misgivings
Adonai bless
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
February 20 2010 22:12 GMT
#1882
and i'm sorry, why are we pushing for a double lynch when we don't even have one for sure mafia lined up?

it seems to me we're risking killing innocents.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
February 20 2010 22:18 GMT
#1883
On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote:
So here are the mayoral candidates:

BloodyC0bbler dead townie
citi.zen
l10f
meeple dead townie
Ver
Ace dead townie
redtooth
Bill Murray dead townie
DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi

So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh

I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-

maybe more thinking later


Wtf?? Did I miss something? When did meeple die lol
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 20 2010 22:41 GMT
#1884
On February 21 2010 07:03 Versatile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 06:32 L wrote:
On February 21 2010 06:22 Versatile wrote:
On February 21 2010 02:24 Foolishness wrote:
On February 20 2010 15:50 tree.hugger wrote:
My activity is pretty easily explained, I'm currently in a production of Marat/Sade which is now in tech week. I have barely enough time to read this thread, let alone do the wonderful clue and behavioral analysis that this game has shown so far.

Doesn't mean I'm not happy to see such a bountiful harvest of red, due to the diligent labor this thread has produced.

NOBODY CARES

The very least you could do is to try to defend yourself here. Ver has posted ample evidence indicating how suspicious you are based on your behavior, and your retaliation is "oh sorry i'm so inactive waa waa". Guess what? NOBODY CARES! You have yet to deny any claim that you are mafia. Considering Ver has the inside scoop on the town it's much more sensible we listen to him at this point.

I was hoping that somewhat else would be observant enough, but since everyone playing seems to have the attention span of a four year old: a bodyguard is dead!. What does this mean? One of the mafia substituted a member in. This could mean a variety of things we must look out for. We don't know which family substituted the member in, and it's very possible that even more of the bodyguards are mafia.


I'm glad someone else saw this!!

The rules say the Mayor can substitute their family members for BGs, and if you look @ the first post, there are 3/4 of BGs left, but no blues are marked as BGs.

any answer for this, redtooth?

also, my top suspect for now is L. in the beginning, he was trying to attribute clues to ace and Dr. H was backing him up on this; lo and behold, ace is green and Dr. H is red.

Uh, actually, the rules don't say that. they say that either family before the first day ends can select people to put in as bodyguards.

Each mafia family has the option, by the time of the Mayor election, to substitute up to two of their members for Bodyguards.


As far as the Ace thing; 1) Look how the thing started; Someone basically took one of my remarks and upped the ante. 2) Ver wanted me to push Ace. 3) I wanted to get a read on redtooth, who's been afk for like a year and now has a clue stuck to him. I also thought nemY and Empyrean were mafia.

So if someone can;

Someone find someone who attaches to the stain killer. The only people I can see being fingered by the clue are redtooth (which is is horrendous bad) via ketchup stain, or meeple because he basically has what I'd imagine would be the end result of the stain spreading.

Frankly, i'm not 100% sure on either, but no one's even bothering to talk about it which is a good indicator that mafia are going to try and use the low activity in the thread to just ignore threats to them.


i thought you were a supposedly good player? why would you do something someone else (Ver) told you to, so early in the game, not knowing of he is mafia or innocent, when the blame would clearly come back to you? just as it has now.

how the hell does that make sense?

I thought Ace was mafia too, and if he wasn't I sure as fuck wanted to know how redtooth would have reacted to it given his chummy disposition towards Ace. I was kinda hoping to use the mayoral lynch on Ace while Redtooth would be pardoner while saying I wanted to kill emp in the thread to see how redtooth would react.

Also, blindly trust ver? Me? Are you joking? Go read the thread instead of saying afk until day 3 before jumping in with accusations.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 20 2010 22:42 GMT
#1885
On February 21 2010 07:18 madnessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote:
So here are the mayoral candidates:

BloodyC0bbler dead townie
citi.zen
l10f
meeple dead townie
Ver
Ace dead townie
redtooth
Bill Murray dead townie
DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi

So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh

I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-

maybe more thinking later


Wtf?? Did I miss something? When did meeple die lol

He didn't.

Caller made a really bad list.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
February 20 2010 22:54 GMT
#1886
On February 21 2010 07:41 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 07:03 Versatile wrote:
On February 21 2010 06:32 L wrote:
On February 21 2010 06:22 Versatile wrote:
On February 21 2010 02:24 Foolishness wrote:
On February 20 2010 15:50 tree.hugger wrote:
My activity is pretty easily explained, I'm currently in a production of Marat/Sade which is now in tech week. I have barely enough time to read this thread, let alone do the wonderful clue and behavioral analysis that this game has shown so far.

Doesn't mean I'm not happy to see such a bountiful harvest of red, due to the diligent labor this thread has produced.

NOBODY CARES

The very least you could do is to try to defend yourself here. Ver has posted ample evidence indicating how suspicious you are based on your behavior, and your retaliation is "oh sorry i'm so inactive waa waa". Guess what? NOBODY CARES! You have yet to deny any claim that you are mafia. Considering Ver has the inside scoop on the town it's much more sensible we listen to him at this point.

I was hoping that somewhat else would be observant enough, but since everyone playing seems to have the attention span of a four year old: a bodyguard is dead!. What does this mean? One of the mafia substituted a member in. This could mean a variety of things we must look out for. We don't know which family substituted the member in, and it's very possible that even more of the bodyguards are mafia.


I'm glad someone else saw this!!

The rules say the Mayor can substitute their family members for BGs, and if you look @ the first post, there are 3/4 of BGs left, but no blues are marked as BGs.

any answer for this, redtooth?

also, my top suspect for now is L. in the beginning, he was trying to attribute clues to ace and Dr. H was backing him up on this; lo and behold, ace is green and Dr. H is red.

Uh, actually, the rules don't say that. they say that either family before the first day ends can select people to put in as bodyguards.

Each mafia family has the option, by the time of the Mayor election, to substitute up to two of their members for Bodyguards.


As far as the Ace thing; 1) Look how the thing started; Someone basically took one of my remarks and upped the ante. 2) Ver wanted me to push Ace. 3) I wanted to get a read on redtooth, who's been afk for like a year and now has a clue stuck to him. I also thought nemY and Empyrean were mafia.

So if someone can;

Someone find someone who attaches to the stain killer. The only people I can see being fingered by the clue are redtooth (which is is horrendous bad) via ketchup stain, or meeple because he basically has what I'd imagine would be the end result of the stain spreading.

Frankly, i'm not 100% sure on either, but no one's even bothering to talk about it which is a good indicator that mafia are going to try and use the low activity in the thread to just ignore threats to them.


i thought you were a supposedly good player? why would you do something someone else (Ver) told you to, so early in the game, not knowing of he is mafia or innocent, when the blame would clearly come back to you? just as it has now.

how the hell does that make sense?

I thought Ace was mafia too, and if he wasn't I sure as fuck wanted to know how redtooth would have reacted to it given his chummy disposition towards Ace. I was kinda hoping to use the mayoral lynch on Ace while Redtooth would be pardoner while saying I wanted to kill emp in the thread to see how redtooth would react.

Also, blindly trust ver? Me? Are you joking? Go read the thread instead of saying afk until day 3 before jumping in with accusations.



I'm sorry, maybe you misunderstood. Let me break it downnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

1. you said, in what i assume was an attempt to explain your actions early on in the game, "Ver wanted me to push Ace".

2. i was asking, maybe not clearly enough, why you do something like that so early in the game when you cannot determine if they are mafia or innocent? In this case, you did what Ver told you to. Again, I ask, why?

3. lmao @ the righteous indignation. i didn't say anything about "blindly trust Ver", so maybe you oughta do some reading yourself, and avoid misrepresenting what i'm asking to you, please and thanks.

and as far as Ver goes, i'm currently inclined to believe he's innocent. even if he's not, he's been quite helpful to the town.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 20 2010 22:55 GMT
#1887
On February 21 2010 07:42 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 07:18 madnessman wrote:
On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote:
So here are the mayoral candidates:

BloodyC0bbler dead townie
citi.zen
l10f
meeple dead townie
Ver
Ace dead townie
redtooth
Bill Murray dead townie
DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi

So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh

I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-

maybe more thinking later


Wtf?? Did I miss something? When did meeple die lol

He didn't.

Caller made a really bad list.

pretty much
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
February 20 2010 23:23 GMT
#1888
On February 21 2010 07:08 XeliN wrote:
Can someone knowledgable explain if Ver is completely innocent or still open to suspicion btw?

I kinda decided to trust him and PM'd him my role but im having misgivings



Intentional slip ups like this don't make us think you're blue. It makes us think that you intentionally want us to think you're blue.

Versatile, you'll never have a sure mafia lynched up. At this point though, we have 4-5 who are very likely mafia:

scamp, johnnyspazz, tree.hugger, zona, decafchicken, shocckey, amber[light], etc.

I just don't see how "we have no candidates right now" (which is false) can justify not voting for double lynch, a move that has the potential to help soo much.

"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 20 2010 23:30 GMT
#1889
i'm almost done reading but lol who the hell bombed BM haha.
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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
February 20 2010 23:32 GMT
#1890
On February 19 2010 02:32 L wrote:
I am, however, happy that someone took the time to accuse me, because that probably means that of the 6-7 people I pointed towards today, 3+ of them are on the same team and are shitting bricks. I wouldn't see the motivation to write up a huge offensive post unless there was some if a single person had been cluefucked given the amount of leeway before losing kp. Additionally, the fact that you essentially admit that you're mouthing for DrH makes me think that you're probably innocent and that he's on their team.


Late reply, but I didn't write that "huge offensive" post because bricks were being shitted. Shat? I did it because there was a lull in posts and I wanted decisive action to be taken. With regard to the doctor, I DO know what "mouthing off" means, but I'm afraid I don't know what "mouthing for" means :/. Speaking on behalf for, maybe? In which case I wasn't. Reason why I PM'd DrH was because he was mafia+mayor last game and I wanted to know what he thought were the odds that the elected mayor/pardoner were mafia. Plus he seemed like a nice enough guy to answer my queries and didn't seem like the type that would play super duper hardcore mind games. His responses completely lacked any real substance though, which made me quite certain that he was mafia, but not enough to call him out..so good call on your part I guueeeessss
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 20 2010 23:36 GMT
#1891
btw we know which family the bodyguard was from.
yes we do :3
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 20 2010 23:38 GMT
#1892
I don't really have a defense for my activity other than SC2 beta, so I can certainly agree with L's case regarding my behavior. I have sent out more PMs than usual this game, but obviously most people can't see that.

However, I would certainly like to point out that the clue analysis toward me has been flimsy at best, and the only thing pointing toward me that sticks is the presence of sewage. Nothing is indicating anything being blocked as far as I can tell, and whoever mentioned a cat knocking something over is also ignoring the grunting and panting sounds.

L, stick on me if you want, but you were elected on the basis of actively hunting out the truth. The reason I voted for you is so you could do just that. So please don't just tunnel on me, there's got to be other candidates you heavily suspect especially if you're going for a double lynch next time.
Cheese is good for you!
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#1893
On February 21 2010 08:23 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 07:08 XeliN wrote:
Can someone knowledgable explain if Ver is completely innocent or still open to suspicion btw?

I kinda decided to trust him and PM'd him my role but im having misgivings



Intentional slip ups like this don't make us think you're blue. It makes us think that you intentionally want us to think you're blue.

Versatile, you'll never have a sure mafia lynched up. At this point though, we have 4-5 who are very likely mafia:

scamp, johnnyspazz, tree.hugger, zona, decafchicken, shocckey, amber[light], etc.

I just don't see how "we have no candidates right now" (which is false) can justify not voting for double lynch, a move that has the potential to help soo much.



I never said I was blue? what post are you reading?
Adonai bless
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
February 20 2010 23:53 GMT
#1894
*reads the past few pages* I think we have found some mafia! The anger is telling.

Also, l10f didn't say he was blue either.. he just inferred it...

however, your inferring that your red? why would you do that?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 20 2010 23:53 GMT
#1895
On February 21 2010 08:38 Scamp wrote:
I don't really have a defense for my activity other than SC2 beta, so I can certainly agree with L's case regarding my behavior. I have sent out more PMs than usual this game, but obviously most people can't see that.

However, I would certainly like to point out that the clue analysis toward me has been flimsy at best, and the only thing pointing toward me that sticks is the presence of sewage. Nothing is indicating anything being blocked as far as I can tell, and whoever mentioned a cat knocking something over is also ignoring the grunting and panting sounds.

L, stick on me if you want, but you were elected on the basis of actively hunting out the truth. The reason I voted for you is so you could do just that. So please don't just tunnel on me, there's got to be other candidates you heavily suspect especially if you're going for a double lynch next time.

I'm not, but given the amount of people who straight wagoned tree.hugger, and given the fact that I'm not 100% certain of my clues on him.

I can fit ohn, treehugger, vivi AND quickstriker to that same clue, and none of them fit perfectly depending on what you pick as the herrings in that clue.

That said, given our pechant for having a billion abstains, tree.hugger will probably die anyways.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 20 2010 23:58 GMT
#1896
Okay so I figure it's up to me to figure out someone else to point the death of 789, but after going through everyone's profile and even translating all the foreign language stuff, I've only come up with one connection, which is Chezinu.

Essentially his profile is about his brown army, so I propose he killed 789 with the power of shit sewage. That's where the grunting and panting noises come in as well.
Cheese is good for you!
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 21 2010 00:00 GMT
#1897
I kinda feel behind on clue analysis, was this potential clue:
On February 14 2010 07:43 Incognito wrote:
The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut.

ever linked to anyone?
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 21 2010 00:01 GMT
#1898
ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.

if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.

time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause:
SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.

i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.

also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.



on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 21 2010 00:04 GMT
#1899
On February 21 2010 09:01 redtooth wrote:
ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.

if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.

time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause:
SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.

i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.

also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.



on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy.


So, uh, how do you know that its the gambinos hitting the town?

Please be detailed and make it quick.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 21 2010 00:05 GMT
#1900
oh and all DTs must contact Ver. do not stay hidden.
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