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On February 15 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I also advise everyone to look at the people voting for citi.zen closely. He has not been that active, and posted very little on reason on why he should be in office, and he is easily winning position for mayor at the moment. This is insanely suspect behaviour on the voters. Much like the blind support I10f got last night, this blind support is similarly interesting.
I could understand that he would get support from his analysis in Incog's last name, but 3 of those people:
Fishball
MasterDana
dozko
Weren't in that game, so in the very least, these people probably shouldn't blindly trust them.
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On February 15 2010 10:58 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I also advise everyone to look at the people voting for citi.zen closely. He has not been that active, and posted very little on reason on why he should be in office, and he is easily winning position for mayor at the moment. This is insanely suspect behaviour on the voters. Much like the blind support I10f got last night, this blind support is similarly interesting. I could understand that he would get support from his analysis in Incog's last name, but 3 of those people: Fishball MasterDana dozko Weren't in that game, so in the very least, these people probably shouldn't blindly trust them.
Thing is, although DrH died, he did very well for the first while as well. It seems reasonable that he would get similar support from players but isn't. Blind support can critically destroy a town. People have to see how people are playing now, and compare to previous games to see habits people do as town/mafia. Not to base a vote for.
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On February 15 2010 08:58 Bill Murray wrote:
also, what's citi.zen been doing? he's been a lot less inactive than last game. i wouldn't be too worried about this if he didn't have so many votes.
I have been reading through past mafia games, and based upon past game behavior in relation to this game my list has been changed. i am going to be cross referencing past posts of games to this game, but this will take me awhile. i am going to start now, and i figured i would let you all know what i am doing
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FYI, I'm one of those people who have voted for citi.zen, but I'm not blindly trusting him. I voted for him because I am unfamiliar with most of the other candidates. If citi.zen remains silent I plan on switching my vote to someone else before the voting closes. I'm just going to take my time doing it because I don't want to be switching my vote over and over like I did the first game I played for the elections.
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what was the mafia game where chezinu was a DT and he singlehandedly caught ace? i was really wanting to analyze ace's posting behavior in that game.
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I voted for citi.zen because of how well he did last game and is uninvolved in the ace/l/redtooth drama. However, I am strongly considering changing my vote to L.
I'm thinking about it. Citi.zen has been a bit inactive.
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On February 15 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I voted for citi.zen because of how well he did last game and is uninvolved in the ace/l/redtooth drama. However, I am strongly considering changing my vote to L.
I'm thinking about it. Citi.zen has been a bit inactive.
Yeah DrH, L is who I have been considering switching my vote to as well. I'm going to wait awhile before I pull the trigger on any voting changes though.
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On February 15 2010 09:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But L has said many times he is perfectly willing to consider alternatives. Ace's aggressive defense, redtooth's inconsistent and in one case completely incorrect arguments, and Ace's refusal to refute the central point of L's accusation doesn't exactly help out. dude you REALLY don't know what's going on. you are nitpicking at one stupid mistake i made (i said no accusations between L and Ace lololol soooooorrrrrry) and i have other reasons why i'm no longer so confident in ace's innocence. regardless of those reasons, L's clue analysis is still shoddy not because of his lack of skill but because of the nature of day 1 clues. however i'm willing to give credibility (NOT TRUST) to what he is saying as a possible alternate to what i am thinking.
On February 15 2010 09:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ace's arguments are circular and a bit irrational. L is keeping it objective and focusing the attention on what matters, the clue analysis. lol ace wasn't arguing. i was. go find posts beyond ace's typical "you're retarded stop talking" posts. and stop portraying silent people as circular and irrational. and really, stop emphasizing the clue analysis.
On February 15 2010 09:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bill Murray is the "safe" choice, but if he flips green we learn nothing. If he flips red, Ace/redtooth are suspicious imo, but we learn absolutely nothing if he was green other than he played badly yet again. lololol do you really not see why i can't possibly be associated with ace? and somehow i become suspicious if BM flips red... that is some really advanced shit you got going on.
to all the people that think killing a veteran scum makes the mafia lose leadership: the dead don't really die, they just go quiet. think about it. thInk Real Carefully about it. btw if you managed to figure that out, guess who loses the most leadership when an allied veteran dies.
why the hell are people voting for citizen? he's not a good pick. you have absolute zero information on the guy and he's proven himself in a total of one games and has yet to post anything reasonable or thought-provoking in the thread. normally Ver would be a good pick (i stated this in my PM that i posted) but THERE ARE REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T ELECT HIM NOW. DrH is a spammer (scum behavior much?), Ace should be avoided for now, and i guess L is the next best pick. BC is finally starting to talk so we'll steadily get more information on him.
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On February 15 2010 09:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
kk, that's what I thought you meant.
Ace's arguments are circular and a bit irrational. L is keeping it objective and focusing the attention on what matters, the clue analysis.
Ace is trying to divert attention away from that and making unnecessary personal attacks on L. Suspicious behavior. I'm more certain that Ace is mafia at this point than Bill Murray and if I am elected, I will lynch Ace.
Bill Murray is the "safe" choice, but if he flips green we learn nothing. If he flips red, Ace/redtooth are suspicious imo, but we learn absolutely nothing if he was green other than he played badly yet again. Considering his play in the last game, it now seems more likely that he is just a bad townie. That "other mafia godfather" was initially very incriminating, but after discussing with him in PM and arguing with him a bit I don't think he's mafia at all. If he was, he'd have no reason to get angry and flame me in PM unless he is literally the worst mafia player ever.
If Ace is green we get a lot more information. Personally I don't feel it would make L suspect because his accusations against him were all based on the clues, but we may be able to cross a lot of potential mafia off of our list.
If he is red, Bill Murray, redtooth, and people who just immediately voted for him/defended him without thinking about the arguments would fall under some degree of suspicion.
looks like my trap worked. Huge post coming up soon. You're going to have a hell of a time defending yourself.
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Ace wasn't arguing? Are you kidding?
Honestly it seems to me like you're trying to do damagecontrol.
If the clue connection to ace is bad and ace wasn't making any arguments to begin with, what other reason could you possibly have to suspect him? You claim you aren't confident in his innocence, well why is that?
Ace has been anything but silent. Allow me to repost this list of his arguments up to the 23rd page.
Ace:
Talking about clues early is useless, they are useful later.
I'm being targeted by L and Zato because I'm a good pro-town player. (Implies L and Zat are mafia)
Be wary of light/ungrounded accusations.
Don't lynch strong players unless it is obvious they are mafia.
Blindly pointing fingers is bad no matter what.
Clues are subjective, not objective.
Never rely on clues.
I refuse to provide an alternative because I don't want to point fingers at anyone.
Clues are useful only when processed through DT's.
I can't be mafia because if I acted differently than in previous games everyone would notice and lynch me instantly.
I won't argue about clue analysis because it is subjective. I can debate whether they are valid because that is objective. Clue discussion leads to innocent death.
Don't think of this as 1v1v1, this game is about temporary allegiances as the mafia try to kill eachother.
L is trying to turn the town against me.
Very few people actually doubt me as pro-town.
L is trying to force my death and if I'm green/blue, he's definitely red.
Yeah, that sure sounds silent to me.
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On February 15 2010 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:14 789 wrote:On February 15 2010 10:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 15 2010 10:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Where else is there to go? @789 Well, as I said the 2 school of thought look like go for inactives or go for veteran players. If we go for inactives, we could combine that with clues and go for EMP... that seems to be the best way to go if we go after an inactive to me. As for veterans .. I don't personally have a leading candidate in mind there myself. Some of the stuff going on with accusations and stuff seems to be pre-existing grudges from other games. Lynching Empyrean gives us no information. Although the clue connection is solid, Ace has a strong clue AND behavioral connection imo and we learn a lot depending on how he flips. It has nothing to do with if he's a veteran or not.
and another logical fallacy I've found. Get the rope ready.
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not a logical fallacy at all
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the funny thing is that ive re-read the past arguments, and i honestly feel like L and Ace are kind of playing around
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I hate to defend someone I'm beginning to dislike, but ace, I do not think DoctorH is mafia.
He was nice as can be in the last thread at first, not really pointing too many fingers, and was trying to win the hearts of the townies when he was mafia. It's like the saying that you "catch flies with honey". This time, he is being nearly as bad mannered and abrasive as I am, and that is completely different from his behavior when he was mafia. I am not a great player myself, as this is my second game, but i really really really don't think he is red this time.
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Wait for Ace's post before you 'defend' him.
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On February 15 2010 11:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ace wasn't arguing? Are you kidding? ok now we're arguing with no goal in mind but let me just prove why you are wrong. those posts are so nostalgic: they sound like every other game where Ace and L start off by accusing each other. guess what? in this game nobody listened to ace and just shrugged off his arguments. it wasn't until i started defending him that shit really hit the fan. then everybody started talking, ace backed off and game started moving.
and damage control? for what? because you think i'm mafia? or because L (who i was arguing against) and a large chunk of the town realize that i'm town aligned by now. lol you can 'start discussions' with clue analysis all you want. i'll do it by arguing against whoever is talking and randomly/halfheartedly accusing people (chezinu, BC, BM, L) to see their responses. also, if you still don't realize that Ace and i aren't aligned then omg you are slow.
you are starting to seem more and more scummy, playing a lot like pyrr did when he was mafia (spamming, agreeing with vets, eventually you'll start apologizing for mistakes). can't wait to see what Ace has in store and can't wait to see what you've got to say.
gg scum.
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L and Ace do this every game, it's best just to ignore them both until L starts clue analysis. That's when you pay attention to L. We all just bandwagon with Ace. They are only good when they agree. L just doesn't have the same support as Ace for some reason...
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ok, if redtooth has been trying to play me for a fool, i may be completely wrong about everything and just need to keep my idiot mouth shut
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On February 15 2010 10:58 meeple wrote:
I could understand that he would get support from his analysis in Incog's last name, but 3 of those people:
Fishball
MasterDana
dozko
Weren't in that game, so in the very least, these people probably shouldn't blindly trust them.
I can actually understand why people miss out some posts due to the supernova that has become this thread, but I dont think its a very good excuse.
To others who have missed the argumentation of my vote its on page 29 towards the bottom.
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