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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 15 2010 01:17 GMT
#721
On February 15 2010 10:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:11 meeple wrote:
On February 15 2010 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if u dont listen to kpop while playing mafia

then ur not playin 4 real


I listen to Tom Waits... if that dude doesn't put you in a sombre mood that's good for thinking, then nothing will.


was just listening to this lol

+ Show Spoiler +


Ahah.. nice This one is by far my favorite:

+ Show Spoiler +
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 15 2010 01:17 GMT
#722
ridiculous
RIP Aaliyah
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 15 2010 01:20 GMT
#723
On February 15 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ridiculous


Just to be clear, what does this refer to?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 15 2010 01:21 GMT
#724
On February 15 2010 10:15 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Ver
BloodyC0bbler
DoctorHelvetica -M? --Just a lot of useless posts that worship the word of Ver
MasterDana
johnnyspazz -M? --What Malongo said, and I tend to agree.
Ace
citi.zen
Vivi57
Empyrean
LucasWoJ
XeliN
Amber[Light]
Fishball
QuickStriker
789
dozko
Nikoner
tree.hugger
ShoCkeyy
Zato-1 - M1
Fulgrim
meeple
Chezinu
Scamp
d3_crescentia
L
Zona
Iaaan
~OpZ~
sidesprang
Shikyo
Caller
ohN
Abenson
nemY
Mystlord
redtooth
CynanMachae
Phrujbaz
tredmasta
SugiuraMidori
Bill Murray
iNfuNdiBuLuM
[NyC]HoBbes
Versatile
Faronel
Malongo
decafchicken
l10f
Foolishness
madnessman
______________________________________________
Keep in mind, I refuse to label anyone as blue, so green can be green or blue!
If they have no color.. I have yet to figure them out!
If they are underlined.. they made at least 3 posts.. or a combined posting of about 100 words.
Bold indicates any comments I made. Also refer to quotes below.
Italic can be saved for something else... not sure yet, will prolly be those that abstain from a vote.


Relevant Quotes:
Show nested quote +
<Zato-1>
This game is different. If 'they' lose, by which I mean mafia members start dying, this will not necessarily be to our advantage. To illustrate my point, imagine there's 7 members of the Gambino family left alive, and 3 members of the Sumiyoshi family. Killing off additional members of the Sumiyoshi family in fact works against us- we're letting the Gambino family win. In fact, we actively do NOT want to publicly reveal the identities of the remaining Sumiyoshi family members in this example- we'd just be handing those names to the Gambino family on a platter so they can kill them at night.

Indicates he's with S and doesn't want to lose. Wants G gone.

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<johnnyspazz>
Can't get to get started in this game, unfortunately I have family business to attend to and can't do any analysis until I get back later tonight.


Followed by:

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<Malongo>
This made me lol. You mean "mafia family business"?




I got really sick and tired reading a dozen pages ago... this is really too damn much for me to deal with while trying to pass my last semester of college... I'll contribute what I can, but I'm not going to waste my time reading all the useless repetitive and often just word-worshiping that is going on here.... once some people die off and stop being pointless and repetitive I'll keep up. I also refuse to read blatant flaming or other posts with curse words or just stupid biased finger pointing without logical reasoning behind it.


[flame flame flame]
DrH.. you got the writer symbol.. be original, stop worshiping Ver... jeez.

Ver/L/Ace... stop being redundant and pointless by posting and reposting rules and crap.. if they can't read, let the newbies suffer.. or they can ask mods.. not a hard concept.
[/flame flame flame]



I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.

Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.

johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 15 2010 01:21 GMT
#725
On February 15 2010 10:20 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ridiculous


Just to be clear, what does this refer to?


SM's post
RIP Aaliyah
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
February 15 2010 01:23 GMT
#726
On February 15 2010 10:00 L wrote:
Oh foolishness, you posted on day 1 in a rather inflammatory tone instead of lurking until day 3 in an attempt to keep yourself alive.

I was going to call you out after scamp, but way to show initiative.

Also: 789, that's not a link to the arson killing you stupid twat. Its a link to the Angel's radiant flame killing.


Why thank you good sir. Although I am sorry for letting down your expectations of me. If you are elected mayor, are you opting to kill Ace? I just might have to vote for you if so.

Another point that needs to be mentioned. Stop cluttering up the thread with useless facts about your lives! This seems to happen every mafia game, and I'm going to go ahead and call it the "Nobody Cares Syndrome". The Nobody Cares Syndrome can be applied to those who make posts that nobody cares about. Let me demonstrate through example:

On February 14 2010 12:32 redtooth wrote:
just got back from CSL. reading.

NOBODY CARES!

On February 14 2010 12:33 Iaaan wrote:
Chezinu makes me giggle

NOBODY CARES!

On February 14 2010 13:04 l10f wrote:
You vote for me because I'm awesome

NOBODY CARES!

On February 14 2010 13:48 Abenson wrote:
*lurks*
Can't think of any intelligent things to say/contribute :D

NOBODY CARES!

On February 14 2010 14:45 nemY wrote:
Ugh damn it... reading some 7 odd pages trying to catch up...

NOBODY CARES!

Don't fall victim to the Nobody Cares Syndrome. The truth of the matter is, nobody cares about your own life. This is mafia, go read the introduction about how to play the game. No where in there does it say to make posts about what you are currently doing. Nobody needs to know that you are reading the thread, playing dota, studying for school, or blowing some random guy for drugs. People only need to know what's related to the game.

The reason I bring this up is because these posts clutter up the thread. I cringe every time I have to read one of L's or Ace's posts, but at least their posts have substance and arguments in them and not "Lol ju5t got back fr0m hosting New Years party w00t lololol". For one it makes reading through the thread the most tedious job in the world. If I had the money I'd consider hiring somebody to read through the thread and pick out the important posts that I actually need to read.

As a general guideline, any post that has fewer than 5 lines of text can safely be ignored. When "good" people actually need to go digging through the thread for evidence, it makes it ten times worse having to dig through these useless 2 line posts. Don't become victim to Nobody Cares Syndrome, the goal is to find the mafia, not make it impossible to find them.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
February 15 2010 01:25 GMT
#727
Wasted posts. It gets annoying and demotivates me. When I see a new page pop up after I finish reading a previous page, it makes me want to just stop...

You know, labeling people as blue, red, or green is nice and all...
but we should be concentrating on the mayoral elections.

I for one don't want to end up putting a crap or mafia mayor/pardoner into office because people are just riding the bandwagon.

Some people have brought up the point that we shouldn't vote citi.zen in based purely on performance in past games, and I'm inclined to agree with them. There is absolutely no reason why we should be taking performance in previous games into account unless we're using them to establish a shift in posting behavior or as a case example (such as Ver's usage when accusing BC and meeple and L's usage to draw a parallel between this game and another game). We should be extremely cautious, and I encourage people to give a more valid reason than "he served us well in the previous game".

The question remains though: who can we trust? I have no idea . Everyone running has something about them that I just find suspicious or that makes them kind of untrustworthy.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 15 2010 01:26 GMT
#728
On February 15 2010 10:11 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if u dont listen to kpop while playing mafia

then ur not playin 4 real


I listen to Tom Waits... if that dude doesn't put you in a sombre mood that's good for thinking, then nothing will.



i know i promised not to post until i had analysis, which i will be coming out with in my next post, but i have to say that i'm going to go look up the piano has been drinking right now
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
February 15 2010 01:27 GMT
#729
On February 15 2010 10:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.

Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.

johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo


Correct, I got sick and tired of reading trash after half the pages of the content after the start of the game with the day post. So anything you might have said that was useful was covered up in the drivel you spouted before that halfway point..

All I did when I got annoyed with reading was mark for activity.
Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 15 2010 01:28 GMT
#730
On February 15 2010 10:23 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:00 L wrote:
Oh foolishness, you posted on day 1 in a rather inflammatory tone instead of lurking until day 3 in an attempt to keep yourself alive.

I was going to call you out after scamp, but way to show initiative.

Also: 789, that's not a link to the arson killing you stupid twat. Its a link to the Angel's radiant flame killing.


Why thank you good sir. Although I am sorry for letting down your expectations of me. If you are elected mayor, are you opting to kill Ace? I just might have to vote for you if so.

Another point that needs to be mentioned. Stop cluttering up the thread with useless facts about your lives! This seems to happen every mafia game, and I'm going to go ahead and call it the "Nobody Cares Syndrome". The Nobody Cares Syndrome can be applied to those who make posts that nobody cares about. Let me demonstrate through example:

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 12:32 redtooth wrote:
just got back from CSL. reading.

NOBODY CARES!

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 12:33 Iaaan wrote:
Chezinu makes me giggle

NOBODY CARES!

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 13:04 l10f wrote:
You vote for me because I'm awesome

NOBODY CARES!

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 13:48 Abenson wrote:
*lurks*
Can't think of any intelligent things to say/contribute :D

NOBODY CARES!

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2010 14:45 nemY wrote:
Ugh damn it... reading some 7 odd pages trying to catch up...

NOBODY CARES!

Don't fall victim to the Nobody Cares Syndrome. The truth of the matter is, nobody cares about your own life. This is mafia, go read the introduction about how to play the game. No where in there does it say to make posts about what you are currently doing. Nobody needs to know that you are reading the thread, playing dota, studying for school, or blowing some random guy for drugs. People only need to know what's related to the game.

The reason I bring this up is because these posts clutter up the thread. I cringe every time I have to read one of L's or Ace's posts, but at least their posts have substance and arguments in them and not "Lol ju5t got back fr0m hosting New Years party w00t lololol". For one it makes reading through the thread the most tedious job in the world. If I had the money I'd consider hiring somebody to read through the thread and pick out the important posts that I actually need to read.

As a general guideline, any post that has fewer than 5 lines of text can safely be ignored. When "good" people actually need to go digging through the thread for evidence, it makes it ten times worse having to dig through these useless 2 line posts. Don't become victim to Nobody Cares Syndrome, the goal is to find the mafia, not make it impossible to find them.


Its either him or emp. I was hoping emp would reply so that we'd get more information if we killed him. I haven't really fully thought about which is a better lynch choice with respect to having mafia baited into not hitting town members, though. I should probably do that.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 15 2010 01:30 GMT
#731
On February 15 2010 10:27 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.

Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.

johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo


Correct, I got sick and tired of reading trash after half the pages of the content after the start of the game with the day post. So anything you might have said that was useful was covered up in the drivel you spouted before that halfway point..

All I did when I got annoyed with reading was mark for activity.


Worshipping Ver is a pretty ridiculous way to describe my posting. I agreed with Ver and offered my opinion onto the matter of clue analysis. No it wasn't groundbreaking but to describe it as drivel seems extreme to me.

But I'm biased.

As I said before, I lacked focus yesterday due to being busy with some other things (packing up my room) and am now in full alert mode. So I will apologize for not having much to offer previously, but I still wanted to get my 2 cents in.
RIP Aaliyah
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
February 15 2010 01:31 GMT
#732
On February 15 2010 10:27 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.

Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.

johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo


Correct, I got sick and tired of reading trash after half the pages of the content after the start of the game with the day post. So anything you might have said that was useful was covered up in the drivel you spouted before that halfway point..

All I did when I got annoyed with reading was mark for activity.


Use the 5 line rule as suggested in my previous post. Unless the writer makes at least 5 lines of their own work, don't read the post. I am going to start using this tactic, I'll be sure to keep you informed about the status. I am expecting good results so I do suggest you try it.

As stated before people, this is why you don't want to clutter up the thread if you have Nobody Cares Syndrome. People stop reading. That's good for the mafia. Bad for the town.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 15 2010 01:33 GMT
#733
On February 15 2010 10:25 Mystlord wrote:
You know, labeling people as blue, red, or green is nice and all...
but we should be concentrating on the mayoral elections.

I for one don't want to end up putting a crap or mafia mayor/pardoner into office because people are just riding the bandwagon.


I agree. It would be nice for all the candidates to say who they plan to lynch if elected and why.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 15 2010 01:34 GMT
#734
On February 15 2010 10:33 789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:25 Mystlord wrote:
You know, labeling people as blue, red, or green is nice and all...
but we should be concentrating on the mayoral elections.

I for one don't want to end up putting a crap or mafia mayor/pardoner into office because people are just riding the bandwagon.


I agree. It would be nice for all the candidates to say who they plan to lynch if elected and why.


Did we all not?

I will lynch Ace if elected mayor.
RIP Aaliyah
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
February 15 2010 01:35 GMT
#735
Just to bring up Bill Muray again. His actions seem to conform to that of like a "troll" or someone who is dumb. He doesn't seem to know what he is doing. Like we know that BM hasn't been in many mafia games... so our FoS should be on him, but there isn't a reason to lynch just yet.
C'est la vie...
SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
February 15 2010 01:35 GMT
#736
On February 15 2010 10:31 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:27 SugiuraMidori wrote:
On February 15 2010 10:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.

Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.

johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo


Correct, I got sick and tired of reading trash after half the pages of the content after the start of the game with the day post. So anything you might have said that was useful was covered up in the drivel you spouted before that halfway point..

All I did when I got annoyed with reading was mark for activity.


Use the 5 line rule as suggested in my previous post. Unless the writer makes at least 5 lines of their own work, don't read the post. I am going to start using this tactic, I'll be sure to keep you informed about the status. I am expecting good results so I do suggest you try it.

As stated before people, this is why you don't want to clutter up the thread if you have Nobody Cares Syndrome. People stop reading. That's good for the mafia. Bad for the town.



Wise as always, foolish, thanks for the idea.. I'll try it... later.. after I finish my 8 EE problems that are due tomorrow.
Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life.
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
February 15 2010 01:38 GMT
#737
omfg yes Dragoon :D!
C'est la vie...
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 15 2010 01:38 GMT
#738
On February 15 2010 10:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 10:33 789 wrote:
On February 15 2010 10:25 Mystlord wrote:
You know, labeling people as blue, red, or green is nice and all...
but we should be concentrating on the mayoral elections.

I for one don't want to end up putting a crap or mafia mayor/pardoner into office because people are just riding the bandwagon.


I agree. It would be nice for all the candidates to say who they plan to lynch if elected and why.


Did we all not?

I will lynch Ace if elected mayor.


Well, I was bringing it up again since things may have changed since people made their "im running for the election" positions. It is possible with the flurry of posting going on since the start that at least 1 of them could have changed their opinions.

I don't know who I would lynch if I was getting elected, but I'm not really against the notion of lynching ace.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
February 15 2010 01:52 GMT
#739
Well L, cause you asked me to. This is a rough outline of how I would link people on day 1 analysis. I don't think that much of it is spot on, but after viewing your bit on Emp, I strongly agree he fits insanely well for the Radiant being part.
Note: I did not use spellcheck on anything.


Clue Analysis: Day 1

Firstly, there are assumptions to this list. Each mafia has two family members involved with the killings (two for each family). There could easily be more. The links I will also be centering on will be around themes specific to each included killer. IE. Because it was mentioned that it was dark 8 times does not mean that it is a clue, just word choice.

Mafia A – The horsemen
“Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds.”

“he horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react.”

“Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, the horseman charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly.”

“The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.”

“But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen”
“He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk.”

Mafia B – The pyro, psychopath, and the radiant.
“The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.”

“but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside.”

“The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square.”

“However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness.”


Analysis

Mafia A

I believe that there is possibly three members of this family used.

The first fits the theme of a charging horsemen who when struck with light at night can blind someone. Note. This person should be trained in the usage of a spear, or be wearing something reflective.

I believe CynanMachae fits that description from the picture he has in his profile found
http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/23719.jpg?1265785651

It also links to Ace as per L has stated based on his profile picture and Quote.
I believe Cynan better fits the description, as well, deathscythe uses a scythe not a spear. Seems like a mistake that wouldn’t be overlooked.

The second mafia member from this family I believe linked to, is the cackler. It is also who I believe killed qatol. He Cackles, which to me is an odd way to describe laughter, he observes qatol quickly, breaks through a thin wall, and kills him instantly.
This is someone who to me would be insane/mad and dangerous. I think the best fit for this is
Mystlord – He has a quotation made by the joker in his profile, and has someone who looks well, insane as a profile picture.

Madnessman – His name implies he is mad, as well as a profile picture that stresses having guts, and a quote saying “no pain no gain”. As he lept through a wall, I would say this covers pain for gain, and cackling for mad.

The third one I have linked is

Scamp – A horsemen blocked Kennigit randomly, much like his profile has a cat blocking a gutter.

Mafia B

Mystlord – He best fits to my quick look for the fire reference. I may have missed a profile relating to fire, but I believe his was the one that best stood out for it.
Second mafia I am unsure on, other than it was someone who uses guns, makes animal noises and was a shadowy figure. This last bit means he might not be human per se. If I had to guess I would go with Masterdana for having a dog in his profile and references to fps games.

The last one would be the radiant mafia. After looking at the information given, I will agree with L that this sounds a lot like empryean and could also link to zona for his fucked up picture, however empryean is a must stronger link.
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February 15 2010 01:55 GMT
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I also advise everyone to look at the people voting for citi.zen closely. He has not been that active, and posted very little on reason on why he should be in office, and he is easily winning position for mayor at the moment. This is insanely suspect behaviour on the voters. Much like the blind support I10f got last night, this blind support is similarly interesting.
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