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No Dr.H made a few very critical mistakes. In fact the first one was even thinking that me posting aggressively implies that I'm suspect. That's just wrong on so many levels because I tend to play aggressive majority of the time regardless of my role.
Then he tried to link myself and redtooth. In fact he's done this several times in an effort to say my death will imply information about him when we haven't even done anything that shows we are on the same side.
The most telling example I have is the trap I set. See I knew that regardless of what role L has, he'd attack me. In fact it's amusing that he does this all the time then people that complain about us arguing. Those people are actually my PRIME SUSPECTS because every time L and I argue a shitload of information seeps out. I'm sure L already has a list of these soon to be dead people lined up though.
The main part of my trap was seeing if anyone was going to shadow L. You know, loosely agree with some of his posts no matter how wrong they are and then try and implicate me. The mere fact that you propose lynching me on Day 1 based on CLUES is a telling point that you want to off me so bad. Even L stepped back for a second to re-asses but you kept on with the accusation.
However there was one other thing that tipped me over the edge. How is it possible that you are currently reading the thread, I'm not even posting and you want to lynch me and you skip Caller's post? That was probably the biggest piece of positive information in the last ~10 hours and you chose to ignore it.
You are definitely not pro-town. You're Mafia.
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On February 15 2010 11:28 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 11:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ace wasn't arguing? Are you kidding? ok now we're arguing with no goal in mind but let me just prove why you are wrong. those posts are so nostalgic: they sound like every other game where Ace and L start off by accusing each other. guess what? in this game nobody listened to ace and just shrugged off his arguments. it wasn't until i started defending him that shit really hit the fan. then everybody started talking, ace backed off and game started moving. and damage control? for what? because you think i'm mafia? or because L (who i was arguing against) and a large chunk of the town realize that i'm town aligned by now. lol you can 'start discussions' with clue analysis all you want. i'll do it by arguing against whoever is talking and randomly/halfheartedly accusing people (chezinu, BC, BM, L) to see their responses. also, if you still don't realize that Ace and i aren't aligned then omg you are slow. you are starting to seem more and more scummy, playing a lot like pyrr did when he was mafia (spamming, agreeing with vets, eventually you'll start apologizing for mistakes). can't wait to see what Ace has in store and can't wait to see what you've got to say. gg scum.
don't forget how he tries to tie loose implications up as "solid" facts. Seriously this is so lol.
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On February 15 2010 11:28 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 11:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ace wasn't arguing? Are you kidding? ok now we're arguing with no goal in mind but let me just prove why you are wrong. those posts are so nostalgic: they sound like every other game where Ace and L start off by accusing each other. guess what? in this game nobody listened to ace and just shrugged off his arguments. it wasn't until i started defending him that shit really hit the fan. then everybody started talking, ace backed off and game started moving. and damage control? for what? because you think i'm mafia? or because L (who i was arguing against) and a large chunk of the town realize that i'm town aligned by now. lol you can 'start discussions' with clue analysis all you want. i'll do it by arguing against whoever is talking and randomly/halfheartedly accusing people (chezinu, BC, BM, L) to see their responses. also, if you still don't realize that Ace and i aren't aligned then omg you are slow. you are starting to seem more and more scummy, playing a lot like pyrr did when he was mafia (spamming, agreeing with vets, eventually you'll start apologizing for mistakes). can't wait to see what Ace has in store and can't wait to see what you've got to say. gg scum.
I'm not apologizing for anything. Saying "no one was listening to Ace" is not the same as saying "Ace made no arguments" when that is clearly wrong. We aren't arguing with no goal in mind, you said something utterly ridiculous (Ace is silent) and then provided clear reasons why that is wrong.
I don't suspect you even 80% but I am indeed wary. I personally think you're either red or blue, but your reactions are so vehement and intense it seems slightly fishy. I understand you don't think clue analysis is important, but I do.
L isn't halfheartedly or randomly accusing people. He made very clear and concise clue analysis and both you and Ace responded by ignoring that and attacking him instead.
Just look at the inconsistencies here in two seperate arguments you made.
"Ace is innocent because the clues point to him.
Ace isn't necessarily innocent, the clues just don't point to him. Clue analysis on day 1 is trash."
Why venture his innocence based on clue analysis while the entire basis of your point is that clue analysis is worth nothing. Yes, the game got more active when you were defending him. That doesn't erase the large amount of arguments made, pointing fingers at L and slamming clue analysis in general.
Keep up the personal attacks though.
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On February 15 2010 11:32 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:58 meeple wrote:
I could understand that he would get support from his analysis in Incog's last name, but 3 of those people:
Fishball
MasterDana
dozko
Weren't in that game, so in the very least, these people probably shouldn't blindly trust them. I can actually understand why people miss out some posts due to the supernova that has become this thread, but I dont think its a very good excuse. To others who have missed the argumentation of my vote its on page 29 towards the bottom.
Ah sry I did miss that...
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On February 15 2010 11:33 Ace wrote:
No Dr.H made a few very critical mistakes. In fact the first one was even thinking that me posting aggressively implies that I'm suspect. That's just wrong on so many levels because I tend to play aggressive majority of the time regardless of my role.
Then he tried to link myself and redtooth. In fact he's done this several times in an effort to say my death will imply information about him when we haven't even done anything that shows we are on the same side.
The most telling example I have is the trap I set. See I knew that regardless of what role L has, he'd attack me. In fact it's amusing that he does this all the time then people that complain about us arguing. Those people are actually my PRIME SUSPECTS because every time L and I argue a shitload of information seeps out. I'm sure L already has a list of these soon to be dead people lined up though.
The main part of my trap was seeing if anyone was going to shadow L. You know, loosely agree with some of his posts no matter how wrong they are and then try and implicate me. The mere fact that you propose lynching me on Day 1 based on CLUES is a telling point that you want to off me so bad. Even L stepped back for a second to re-asses but you kept on with the accusation.
However there was one other thing that tipped me over the edge. How is it possible that you are currently reading the thread, I'm not even posting and you want to lynch me and you skip Caller's post? That was probably the biggest piece of positive information in the last ~10 hours and you chose to ignore it.
You are definitely not pro-town. You're Mafia.
Wrong. I don't think it's because you're aggressive that you're mafia. In fact your analysis of my behavior is very very wrong.
I suspect you not only based on the strong clue connection, but because of your poor logic in your arguments against L. Being aggressive has nothing to do with it. You're flat out ignoring every point he makes and just pointing fingers back at him. If you at least provided an alternative explanation for the clue profile, I might have taken your arguments seriously, but it was a seriously lame attempt at dodging the issue on your part.
Shadow L? loooolol, I agreed with ver and to some extent you at first until I went back and read everything more carefully.
You think I'm mafia because I agreed with someone you disagreed with? I propose lynching you because of clues, your poor arguments/logic, and the sheer amount of information the town would receive.
"Even L stepped back for a second to re-asses but you kept on with the accusation. " doesn't mean anything. I've never said you are 100% mafia, only that I feel you're the strongest candidate. That doesn't mean I haven't considered other people or thought about this. It has nothing to do with how "strongly I want to off you" that just purely ridiculous.
I'm saying "I think Ace might be mafia because x y and z, we should lynch him because a and b" and you're using that as evidence that I want you gone so so so so so bad that I must be scum?
Nice "trap" but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense : /
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in regards to caller's post:
he is right that the town has more options on protecting blue roles and survival in relation to the mafia's hits, because they will be wanting to abuse our detectives to ween information (possibly), and mainly because they will be trying to win by killing each other (rival factions)
while this does give us an advantage in regards to mafia not publicly roleclaiming DT, the DT being more generally trusted, and an easier setup for medic protection... we are still left with the task of ferreting out who is in what mafia which could be hard but hopefully we will be able to analyze who is defending who and voting patterns from day1/2
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On February 15 2010 11:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 11:28 redtooth wrote:On February 15 2010 11:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ace wasn't arguing? Are you kidding? ok now we're arguing with no goal in mind but let me just prove why you are wrong. those posts are so nostalgic: they sound like every other game where Ace and L start off by accusing each other. guess what? in this game nobody listened to ace and just shrugged off his arguments. it wasn't until i started defending him that shit really hit the fan. then everybody started talking, ace backed off and game started moving. and damage control? for what? because you think i'm mafia? or because L (who i was arguing against) and a large chunk of the town realize that i'm town aligned by now. lol you can 'start discussions' with clue analysis all you want. i'll do it by arguing against whoever is talking and randomly/halfheartedly accusing people (chezinu, BC, BM, L) to see their responses. also, if you still don't realize that Ace and i aren't aligned then omg you are slow. you are starting to seem more and more scummy, playing a lot like pyrr did when he was mafia (spamming, agreeing with vets, eventually you'll start apologizing for mistakes). can't wait to see what Ace has in store and can't wait to see what you've got to say. gg scum. don't forget how he tries to tie loose implications up as "solid" facts. Seriously this is so lol.
When did I say anything was a solid fact. I can list all of the arguments you've made again and that is indeed solid fact. Feel free to dispute it.
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On February 15 2010 11:33 Ace wrote:
No Dr.H made a few very critical mistakes. In fact the first one was even thinking that me posting aggressively implies that I'm suspect. That's just wrong on so many levels because I tend to play aggressive majority of the time regardless of my role.
Then he tried to link myself and redtooth. In fact he's done this several times in an effort to say my death will imply information about him when we haven't even done anything that shows we are on the same side.
The most telling example I have is the trap I set. See I knew that regardless of what role L has, he'd attack me. In fact it's amusing that he does this all the time then people that complain about us arguing. Those people are actually my PRIME SUSPECTS because every time L and I argue a shitload of information seeps out. I'm sure L already has a list of these soon to be dead people lined up though.
The main part of my trap was seeing if anyone was going to shadow L. You know, loosely agree with some of his posts no matter how wrong they are and then try and implicate me. The mere fact that you propose lynching me on Day 1 based on CLUES is a telling point that you want to off me so bad. Even L stepped back for a second to re-asses but you kept on with the accusation.
However there was one other thing that tipped me over the edge. How is it possible that you are currently reading the thread, I'm not even posting and you want to lynch me and you skip Caller's post? That was probably the biggest piece of positive information in the last ~10 hours and you chose to ignore it.
You are definitely not pro-town. You're Mafia.
You don't think some greens can fall into that trap too? I mean certainly some people like to follow clues regardless, and alot of the people here haven't played with you before and don't know if you usually play aggressively or not...
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DoctorH is probably blue or green man
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That's not my fault meeple. People should do their homework if they want to play with the big boys. I read both games hosted recently expecting some of you to play in the next big game. Laziness isn't an excuse for messing up.
Dr.H there's another more specific post I have coming up. Sit tight, that seat is about to get a lot hotter.
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That's cool
It isn't even lukewarm yet lol
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On February 15 2010 11:43 meeple wrote:
You don't think some greens can fall into that trap too? ..
how do you KNOW he's green?
seems mafia to me. you have information you care to share?
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I'll agree with Ace on this o.o
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i'm going to expand a bit on my last post. i said he's PROBABLY blue or green because being a town aligned player i have no clue as to whether or not i'm actually right. what you said implied that you already know he's green or green aligned, which means you know about who some red are already. i suppose in a scenario like this my argument is a bit less relevant as you actually wouldn't know who 10 mafia were.
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On February 15 2010 11:48 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to expand a bit on my last post. i said he's PROBABLY blue or green because being a town aligned player i have no clue as to whether or not i'm actually right. what you said implied that you already know he's green or green aligned, which means you know about who some red are already. i suppose in a scenario like this my argument is a bit less relevant as you actually wouldn't know who 10 mafia were.
meeple didn't imply that in the slightest
he's just saying the trap sucks because greens could fall into it easily
and he's right
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On February 15 2010 11:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't suspect you even 80% but I am indeed wary. I personally think you're either red or blue, but your reactions are so vehement and intense it seems slightly fishy. I understand you don't think clue analysis is important, but I do.
L isn't halfheartedly or randomly accusing people. He made very clear and concise clue analysis and both you and Ace responded by ignoring that and attacking him instead.
Just look at the inconsistencies here in two seperate arguments you made.
"Ace is innocent because the clues point to him.
Ace isn't necessarily innocent, the clues just don't point to him. Clue analysis on day 1 is trash."
Why venture his innocence based on clue analysis while the entire basis of your point is that clue analysis is worth nothing. Yes, the game got more active when you were defending him. That doesn't erase the large amount of arguments made, pointing fingers at L and slamming clue analysis in general. L wasn't accusing random people for information. i was. ace always attacks L. i chose to attack L because i found fault with his high emphasis on clue analysis with day 1 clues (something atypical of L or any vet mafia player).
listen here's what happened so that bystanders can understand
- L accuses Ace based on clues
- Ace makes a halfhearted defense then basically sits back
- i defend Ace rigorously because i think day 1 clues are retarded and because i think vets are important in this game setup, never seriously claimed that ace is innocent
- something happens that makes me lose a bit of trust in ace
- i see why day 1 clues aren't so retarded so i retract my full-hearted defense of Ace
- you somehow fabricate all these inconsistencies in my argument and think that i am flip flopping for no reason
GET OVER IT I'M NOT MAFIA. i understand L accusing me but he knows i'm townie. lol what the hell are you doing trying to paint me as mafia with really really really weak arguments and nitpicking at details? maybe you are scum?
and about the vehemence in posts, this is mafia. this is serious business.
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i feel like he implied that, and since i'm one of the only people defending you here, i don't see why you continue to attack me lol
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On February 15 2010 11:46 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 11:43 meeple wrote:
You don't think some greens can fall into that trap too? .. how do you KNOW he's green? seems mafia to me. you have information you care to share?
I said some greens... I was actually talking about me. Since I suspected Ace in the beginning too... and I don't think I was alone in that.
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On February 15 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 11:48 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to expand a bit on my last post. i said he's PROBABLY blue or green because being a town aligned player i have no clue as to whether or not i'm actually right. what you said implied that you already know he's green or green aligned, which means you know about who some red are already. i suppose in a scenario like this my argument is a bit less relevant as you actually wouldn't know who 10 mafia were. meeple didn't imply that in the slightest he's just saying the trap sucks because greens could fall into it easily and he's right
Whoa I didn't say that either... damn people twisting my words.
I said that greens could fall into that trap, so that its not definitive
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On February 15 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 11:46 Bill Murray wrote:On February 15 2010 11:43 meeple wrote:
You don't think some greens can fall into that trap too? .. how do you KNOW he's green? seems mafia to me. you have information you care to share? I said some greens... I was actually talking about me. Since I suspected Ace in the beginning too... and I don't think I was alone in that.
ok,
sorry for jumping the gun.
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