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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
But then again since the major has to lynch someone aint it better to lynch someone who is suspicious. The only bad thing that can happen with the lynch is that we kill a blue person. If we kill a red person its great, if we kill a green person its more or less expected that we do. im for taking a risk and lynch a suspicious person as i think there is more to gain than to lose. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
The first lynch is always the trickiest. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On January 21 2010 18:46 decafchicken wrote: dont be silly. lynch all active members, they are obviously scum leading people away from the mafia! oh and lynch the inactive ones too, they are scum lying low maybe we should lynch you instead  | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
The Day 1 post was written in lines of rhyme and prose. A few pages ago I've formatted the original post to show prose and poetry; there are some minor edits here and there to make that more distinct. One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground.*** His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done. Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor. When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race.*** It was here that the town began to be reshaped. The starred lines are lines that could potentially be rhyming lines. The italicized segments are things that I think could be clues, based on my own thoughts and contributions of others. My initial guess is that the prose sections are where the clues are located, and not where the lines rhyme. For the first murder, I believe we have mostly water-related clues and the cave, which could point to Fishball and drinking. There is also the 'tenderly' adverb, which dozko suggested could be softer. I believe the phrase "knew it was grave" could mean something, but since it's in a rhyme section it goes against my current theory. Still, a possibility there. The sentences with town/ground might be a botched rhyme, but I do feel that the "quick attack" should be checked out for the possibility that QuickStriker is indeed mafia. Regarding Judge's death, we have the flower vase, which points to me. ~OpZ~ also mentioned the repeated use of the word "hall," which in and of itself could be a clue. I've also noticed the use of sound-related descriptors - crash, sound, rush of air; potential connection to iloveKT as his profile contains pictures of sound waves. What I'm particularly curious about what the object that sunk into Judge's shoulder was... that should be a clue in and of itself. List of potential clues: 1. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. 2. he turned the body and knew it was grave (maybe) 3. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. 4. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery 5. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. Does anyone have any criticisms? I'm open to suggestions. I realize that most of it is grasping for straws, but I think it's better that the DTs check *something* our first night rather than nothing. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:56 johnnyspazz wrote: Okay Xelin, what is your opinion on RoyW? I think either he's a new at this and doesn't spend time to read a decent amount of posts before he judges or he is a mafia member and your accomplice. I am new to the game, and this is my first time ever playing it. I voted for Xelin and still do, because it seems to my newbie eyes that he is obviously not Mafia. Maybe to the experienced eyes in this game, his activities are a comman Mafia-gambit, but I don't think so. I'm unsure about QS, but ultimately I think it's just an instinctive reaction to his many posts and multiple edits, so I don't know. I live in Ireland, and will mostly only be active 18.00 KST-03.30 KST. If someone could give me the PST equivalent, I will try and ensure that I am around for voting deadlines. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On January 21 2010 21:42 RoyW wrote: I am new to the game, and this is my first time ever playing it. I voted for Xelin and still do, because it seems to my newbie eyes that he is obviously not Mafia. Maybe to the experienced eyes in this game, his activities are a comman Mafia-gambit, but I don't think so. I'm unsure about QS, but ultimately I think it's just an instinctive reaction to his many posts and multiple edits, so I don't know. I live in Ireland, and will mostly only be active 18.00 KST-03.30 KST. If someone could give me the PST equivalent, I will try and ensure that I am around for voting deadlines. You should post that in the vote thread then. =) 18:00KST is 1AM PST, so you're in a bit of a jam if you want to get in a last-minute vote. On that note... hey BC, can we get times in KST instead since TL auto-displays those? | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 11:53 dozko wrote: Nice to get some more activity in our provincial town  I will be abstaining from voting for now but will do so when i wake up tomorrow, I now have a better idea of who to go for. However, despite all the possible clues so far we have discussed I must say I have a gut feeling that XeliN might in fact be the red scum going for mayor/sheriff : 1) [QUOTE]On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote: Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. [/QUOTE] You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. 2) If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. 3) His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote: My candidacy for Mayor. I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act. Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very   SMall chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2).4) He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. 5) [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote: I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve! [/QUOTE] This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely   ReasoN is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim.6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. 7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. I do not think so many repetitions and emphasis placement on one concept is random. He seems to spend too much time on strategies to further his own aims rather than the towns'.[/QUOTE] Point 1) I cannot respond to as you make it as vague as possible both who is supposed to have accused me earlier and also what the nature of his accusation is. You state neither of these things. And secondly I have not made a claim to martyrdom, I have made a claim to Innoncence , please don't spin things in order to evoke a preffered reaction in the kind of way a politician might. And as for "It seems weird you would bring this up now", I am not certain as to what you are specificially referring to (my post, a certain part of it, what?) but i do not see why stating that I put myself up for election is weird in any way. Either I am Mafia looking to enjoy all the benefits being a Mayor//Sherrif could bring or I am with the Town and have put myself forward in order to take out the Mafia. Either way it is not "weird" Point 2) Immediately the first thing that stands out to me is that lack of anything specific or concrete, You claim what I am posting is obvious and things that everyone could realise and that I am trying to gain trust by posted them in this way. Give Examples How you can make this number of vague and ambiguous points up till now without at least trying to cite specific examples where i do what you are saying is beyond me. I will say no more on this point as the argument against me here is simply opinion and poorly sustantiated opinion at that. I will let others decide the value and nature of my posting and will be happy to respond if you actually acuse things that are specific and that I can respond to. Point 3 Again you mention another accusation from another poster, please be more specific. Your main point here is that I am speaking in definite terms, TOO RIGHT! I have made my current intentions as to what I would do if I was Mayor quite clear, I aim to be decisive and whilst the arguments listed for waiting and erring from action have some merit I think they are comparatively wrong and it is in the Towns best interest to act swiftly and analyse peoples posts and their advice or intentions and as a result decide who to kill//incarcerate. Oh and your last point as to why I was doing this was you said, "I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself". As this like much of your "accusations" although I am inclined to call them musings, is just opinion I cannot really comment on it as it is not an argument but simply say no I am not. Point 4 You are wrong here, I simply claimed that I might be a possible target and would enjoy the protection that being one of the elected candidates would bring. Again you seem to have made an exaggeration in the same way you did in point 1 with "Martyr" in order to elicit some kind of negative response, I frown upon this. I would like to be open, active and hopefully clear and decisive throughout this game and am concious that doing so might bring attention towards me from the Mafia. Point 5 I am not going to comment on this paragraph other than simply this. 1) I was drinking and playing HoN with a freind, it was just an offhand comment and not meant to be analysed with surgical percision but as you seem to have done so I will respond with, you are wrong. 2) The friend is Nytefish on teamliquid and im sure would corroborate, although he wasnt drinking himself. Point 6 Your argument here is twofold, The first one is that I keep emphasising that everything is open for debate, CITE EXAMPLES, im not saying you are wrong but having to try to counter argue someone who might as well be saying nothing due to how general your arguments are is irritating. If i am stating that everything is open to debate with people who disagree with me (and from what i remember of my postings I haven't been overly doing this) actually, this again is a meaningless accusation, as far as I can tell I have been clear about my suspicions and it has in fact been others who are stressing "but it could be wrong, we ought to wait, I think you may be right but also be wrong" e.t.c and I have tryed to stay away from making these kinds of posts. Point 7 I think you are reffering to my jokingly typing that I have no friends and asking anyone from Mafia if they want to chat on skype. I was slightly drunk and bored and quite simply would have enjoyed doing so, there is no more to it than that. Well thats a fun way to start the day, Hopefully I have provided a valid defence of these unfortunately vague and opinionated accusations. I would suggest that many of them are not worth the paper they are not written on least of all the pc screens they are showing on for reasons given above, but I hope others analyse the arguments from both sides and post their thoughts. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
XeliN, I don't understand your reasoning as to why I should be lynched. Could you elaborate a bit further? | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On that note, I don't know what incarceration for a single night would do for either me or QS as the mafia KP would still remain at 3 after that. If you wanted to incarcerate us both and found only two deaths, we'd be able to know if either me or QS was mafia by checking the number of deaths (barring medic or vigilante intervention). This plan has the unfortunate drawback of using both incarcerations, unfortunately. Of course, if you become Mayor you can simply choose to lynch one of us and be done with it. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I take back that I think you should be lynched. None of what you have posted so far is enough to make that kind of judgement. I still strongly believe that Quickstriker ought to be the first person to be lynched and he would remain my choice. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On January 21 2010 22:51 XeliN wrote: Crescentia I owe you somewhat of an apology, I jumped to conclusions about you based on very little. My reasoning was quite flawed in all honesty. I thought you might be Mafia based upon my still firm belief that QuickStriker is. You made a post saying that you do not believe QuickStriker to be mafia and didnt in my mind give clear reasons as to why and this made me very suspicious of you. Going over all of your posts now I realise the error of this reasoning. It made a snapish judgement on you based on what i deemed to be your subtle support of Quickstriker. I take back that I think you should be lynched. None of what you have posted so far is enough to make that kind of judgement. I still strongly believe that Quickstriker ought to be the first person to be lynched and he would remain my choice. Thank you for response. While I know we don't see eye-to-eye on some things I appreciate your efforts to be sincere and rational. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
On January 21 2010 23:07 RoyW wrote: I take it that the first deadline is voting tonigh, then do we have a 'night break' for 24 hours, before another 48 hours to vote lynch day 1? Or am I misunderstood? Mayoral vote occurs on Day 1 and ends at 9PM PST. Mayor decides who we lynch at the end of Day 1 (not entirely clear on how this works yet). We then move onto Night 1 for 24 hours where DTs/Medics and Mafia can put in their actions, though we can continue to debate/discuss and suggest potential actions to take. | ||
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softer
Norway104 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way. The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
I hope someone knows what I'm talking about. | ||
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dozko
United Kingdom160 Posts
In any case I have already put my reasoning up, because thats what I think. People are free to form their own opinion and seeing as how you ignored most of my points and misread the others I do not feel the need to return to that thread of argument. On another more pressing note i put my vote in the other thread for d3_crescentia for mayor. I will now post my reasoning for doing so here. The way I see it there are three main candidates - Fulgrim, tree.hugger and d3_crescentia. I did not vote for Fulgrim, although i tend to agree with a post he made on Quickstriker and Xelin before my analysis. He is the most popular candidate although he has listed the least number of arguments to support his campaign. This I find slightly suspicious. tree.hugger I find is a bit of an enigma right now, since he has only made a few long posts and attempted to impersonate a "sage of wisdom" in all of them. I have not yet formed an opinion of him but I am suspicious when people try to tell me how and what I should look out for. I voted for d3_crescentia because 1) He has made good analysis of the narration and I do not believe that any mafia would go in such details like separating prose from poetry etc. 2) He has a very neutral style of posting, i.e. he does not jump on bandwagons too quickly, and is taking the input of other posters very seriously, even when It is not completely in tune with his own. These I feel are good attributes for a mayor to have and he is the only candidate to actually sort of back up the attributes he claimed he possessed in his campaign with his subsequent posts. 3) He is one of the most active posters, and this will be good for us if he can continue in such fashion when we have more information. | ||
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