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I agree that highly caffeinated tea is out of place too... but it might be a stretch to think of Golden monkey black tea... unless we know that someone here is a huge fan of it. | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:09 Nikoner wrote: Since it explicitly says "highly caffeinated black tea", and dreamflower said that clues can be referring to player names as well, could this be pointing to StimiLant? That's actually really good... the only other thing that I could find was a short tea reference in Phrujbaz's profile. | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:31 Jugan wrote: oh well i uploaded a picture of myself... i've been meaning to do that anyway. not trying to give anything away O.o Dude... they just told you its against the rules to alter your profile... | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:33 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Anyone think there could be something in the killer saying "vile dirty scum", or in the description of him looking at Qatol with "disgust and contempt", then making sure to clean up? Some kind of clean freak/OCD link possibly Hmmm... that is somewhat suspicious... if it can be linked to one of the other clues that would be fairly strong | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: that sounds about right so here's about everything that sticks out to me: The Tea The Apple The Knife The Fridge Also, this segment? "his killer carefully dragged the body into the closet, making sure to clean up the pool of blood on the floor." Although I'm not sure what that could refer to, it stood out to me. And the barbaric movements | ||
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Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold That's a bit of a stretch... but you're thinking the right way. I don't think Incognito and dreamflower can really make it extremely elaborate, but more clever and tricksy. | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:53 Mystlord wrote: Don't forget that the 2nd Mafia member called Qatol "Vile, dirty scum." Combine that with his meticulous nature then perhaps? The only thing I see so far that could possibly be inreference to this is on Jayme's profile, where it takes about garbage and getting rid of it. It is talking about python.... but then again if you were so inclined we could draw the link between snake and fruit(apple) from Adam and Eve. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Jayme | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him. I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well. | ||
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On January 20 2010 13:06 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: yeah the apple is definitely a more solid link Yeah but would Incognito/dreamflower know this? I definitely didn't, but if its more common knowledge than I think then thats really strong. | ||
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On January 20 2010 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: upon googling the names of various players heres some alternate meanings i found: zona (another term for the disease known as 'the shingles' abenson (phillipines appliance store, possibly related to the fridge?) Very nice, Abenson is a good link... | ||
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On January 20 2010 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: apple is a pretty big record label, and the beatles are a pretty important group so I wouldn't be surprised. Ah yup, 3 of my friends knew it off the bat, so I guess I'm just out of the loop | ||
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citi.zen's quote "Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam." means I will either find a way or make one. It's taken from a Greek War Commander named Hannibal. | ||
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On January 20 2010 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Lynch voting will start on Day 2 if I'm not mistaken. If you're serious about the game, shouldn't you be reading every page as it is? I thought it says that the Mayor chooses a lynching victim by the end of Day 1 | ||
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Gotta agree with the Doctor on this one | ||
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On January 20 2010 14:21 citi.zen wrote: In general I think we ought to break out the discussion into bad guy 1 and bad guy 2. For bad guy 1 we have the barbaric noises, raised fists, fridge/apple down the throat. For bad guy 2 the words said to Qatol, the neat/calculated nature, the thin knife. General guesses, noting they are quite weak thus far: bad guy 1 - keit. bad guy 2 - magicbullet, Ng5 Bad guy 1 could be a cookie monster... he has a habit of stuffing cookies down his throat. Why are you guessing keit? | ||
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On January 20 2010 14:33 citi.zen wrote: Hobbes maybe fits the "barbaric noises" and "raised fists" description. Also, he has the NyC before the name - the "big apple". Hmmm... thats good, but a forced fit with the barbaric stuff. Not saying the other stuff we've said isn't forced, in fact alot of it is, just saying. | ||
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On January 20 2010 14:54 ghote wrote: also the coloration between shoving the apple down the mayors throat, and keit's pictures is something, i find no reason why my name is up for lynching, I do not see any relation between me and the clues left today Well your profile quote is somewhat suspicious... but not much more than anything else | ||
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On January 20 2010 23:12 citi.zen wrote: Look at Hobbes' picture - raised fists, could be interpreted as taunting + tiger could account for noises. If we're going with just imagery, we might as well consider keit and the Cookie Monster. Much more barbaric and it can be paired with shoving the apple down his throat, like Cookie monster does with cookies. | ||
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As for number 2, the only lead I had in any sort of the sense is Jayme... because his quote mentions garbage and getting rid of it, and bad guy #2 has a lot of dirty imagery. "Vile, dirty scum," etc... Although, I admit the correlation is weak at best. | ||
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On January 21 2010 00:30 citi.zen wrote: Right, but there is no direct connection between apple and the cookie monster. Apple and NyC on the other hand... I can see. Btw meeple, your quote makes me think of assassin 2, even though there is little "proof": lol... I actually made that quote up myself. I have it engraved on a flask back when those were cool. | ||
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On January 21 2010 00:54 789 wrote: Well if you want to stretch for number 2. IIRC Bisu translates into something equivelent like assassin's blade, which could fit with the thin blade. Bisu has a reputation for complaining about maps (undeserving or not, not trying to stir any of that kind of stuff up). And Jayme's quote is complaing about python. Then there is your vile dirty scum one. It's a MAJOR stretch though lol. Ah thats rough... yeah I was just throwing it out there. Definitely not enough to lynch off | ||
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I don't know what t_co is going for, but he's being totally irrational about this, so if he is green/blue he needs to get his head on right and start coming up with arguements that can help the game, but as for lynching him, there's no proof/suspicion, so that'd be kinda pointless. On January 21 2010 14:26 t_co wrote: I think its obvious to the entire town how you and meeples have been back-to-back for a while. Why is his run for mayor given such a free pass, even given his inactivity currently, compared to my run for mayor which seems to run into extreme opposition from you? Seriously man? My inactivity??? I post on here friggin all the time... literally whenever I have free time. It's questionable whether or not I even have a life. It's funny because some people would say I'm too active at TL. If there's any extreme opposition its because you're being overly aggressive and pointing the finger too much without any solid proof. You're gonna try to lynch me because I agreed with Doctor H on a couple things. Do I fit any of the clues? Why do we even have clues if you're going to ignore them? To be honest, I'm not completely sold on Hobbes, I have a stronger hunch about keit and his Cookiemonster, but you know what? Nothing fits the clues perfectly, and if I'm thinking of this objectively, which is a good practise every once in a while. I would say that Hobbes can fit the data better, even though my hunch is pointing another way. So yeah, guess what I'm supporting DH again, but he's right, that's where the clues tell us to go. I'm not going to start changing my mind because someone is accusing me of being Mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2010 15:43 t_co wrote: All you guys had to do to stop the drama was to let me get elected. Was it worth it, Doctor Meeples? Now we have either a mafia victory via crippled town or mafia victory via having sheriff/mayor in their pocket. Instead we could have had me in that position actually forming a coherent strategy to lead the town the victory. What's you coherent strategy? Lynch everyone who agrees with each other? | ||
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On January 21 2010 16:07 t_co wrote: Arrange everyone in a random order and execute the next one on the list each night. With the 5 night margin of wrong lynches and the 1/2 kp/# proportion and 1:4 mafia:town ratio the town has a 77.8% chance of victory. Can you expand on this? What were your calculations to get the result? | ||
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On January 21 2010 17:14 Bill Murray wrote: there are only 4 people who have yet to post on here, or are lurking (i'm assuming that because there are 3 people who have posted on the vote thread, who haven't posted here. there are also a few with only 1 post.) the 4 inactives are: Ng5, ohN, phyujbaz, and JohannesH. Correct me if i'm wrong. Many people will now say "Lynch them!", but do you kill stasised tanks first? Do you use feedback on a maelstromed defiler, or one that is running away towards your cannons? lol... Ng5 isn't that active generally... but he's around (in his chess streaming thread), so I think he's lurking. I wouldn't lynch them yet, some of them are probably totally inactive and they will be modkilled. Lynching someone who's inactive is a waste. | ||
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Regardless he's made himself pretty suspicious and I'd love to be sure. | ||
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On January 22 2010 03:05 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: It would be fantastic if you guys would wait to hear more clues before lynching me on a shaky connection... all watching me turn up green would do is remove one of the small number of posters who has actually been active in analyzing the clues from the game I don't think anyone is for lynching you on the first go, the more probable target atm is t_co | ||
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On January 22 2010 03:05 Bill Murray wrote: to be honest, after speaking with someone in private, i realize now that i hope t_co isn't red (for my own sake). If t_co is red, i hope a medic out there will protect me Care to elaborate? | ||
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On January 22 2010 03:08 Bill Murray wrote: let's ASSUME you and meeple get into office, Doc you will both be protected. they will target (in my opinion) Citi.zen, Jugan, and I. that's why i'm asking for a medic to protect me night #1. We need all the townie aligned players we can get. citi.zen is more likely, although you both are pretty high up on the active list. | ||
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On January 22 2010 06:13 Abenson wrote: Hmm... I think i'll just stop talking now and just lurk :D I do not wish to get lynched in the first few days, so I will remain silent since I don't want to say something that can be misinterpreted. I have to study for my exams anyways :D Lurking is more suspicious than posting your ideas, unless you have horrible ideas which I don't think you do. Just be sure to back up what you say... | ||
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t_co Mystlord Abenson Flamewheel Hobbes - presumably DrH 789 Bill Murray citi.zen Jugan t_co - hey man, he said it tredmaster Faronel someone else/Hobbes? Ser aspi Where do you stand? Ng5... I like your chess but all you've done is wisecrack and not really stated your opinion. Ace The_Master keit - you haven't spoken a word yet... Let me know if I made a mistake or whatever | ||
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On January 22 2010 08:32 Qatol wrote: Ace isn't playing in this game. (Nor am I). We are just interested in the game. Ah, sorry, I just saw a name and didn't double check with the list | ||
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On January 22 2010 08:33 Bill Murray wrote: also, meeple, where do you stand on the mayoral lynch issue? i suppose we'll get to see in under 2 and 1/2 hours Well... to be honest, I lean towards following clues. However, in this case, the clues are very shaky at best and t_co has made a great case against himself. If I were elected mayor, I would serve the interests of the people, and thus probably lynch t_co, unless some major revelation occurs. | ||
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On January 22 2010 09:28 Zona wrote: I do not see where Faronel has supported lynching t_co or expressed sentiment along these lines, please point out a quote to me if I have missed it. You're right, I misread one of his earlier quotes | ||
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On January 22 2010 09:59 Zona wrote: Also, to those who suggested that t_co may not go with the will of the town when using his triple vote, I acknowledge this danger and thus retract my desire to have him as mayor. However, please leave him alive for day 2 at least. Can you support your statement? Why should we leave him alive? | ||
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Ah yup, thanks... The only problem with Faronel, is that other than some admittedly suspicious actions, there's nothing really concrete. You say that he supported t_co before he had reason to do so... but that kinda implies that t_co is up to no good. The only difference between them really is that t_co ran for office. Doesn't it make more sense to take out the leader than a supporter? Besides, it seems we've totally abandoned all hope for a clues-based Day 1 lynching, so if we're basing this on suspicious actions alone, t_co's trump Faronel's imo. | ||
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Ok so what if Faronel is Mafia... then what? We hit t_co next? | ||
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On January 22 2010 10:30 Mystlord wrote: I'm still all for the lynching of t_co. I'm just saying that even if we don't lynch him, it hurts us to let him into office. Zona: I see your reasoning for wanting to lynch Faronel and not t_co, but you cannot randomly lynch people based off of low activity and a tenuous link at best. We won't get any information at all from Faronel's lynching, which drops him even lower on the priority list. I still believe that t_co's lynching will give us the most information. Even if he isn't mafia, it will point us in a clear direction. I've already seen evidence of his strange and wild arguments confusing some people, and it hurts us to keep him in if he starts confusing the town, regardless of whether he's a townie or not. Whats the clear direction if he's green/blue? | ||
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On January 22 2010 10:35 Zona wrote: I don't want this point to get overlooked. A lot of Bill Murray's posts have not been useful. Many one-liners, and other posts asking for medic protection since for whatever reason he thinks he is a high profile target. Well... not helpful is something to keep in mind, but then we shouldn't overlook Ng5... | ||
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On January 22 2010 10:40 Bill Murray wrote: in reference for the double lynch on day two. anything else nikoner? Thanks for clearing that one up... but as you're here... lynch vote? | ||
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On January 22 2010 10:42 Bill Murray wrote: im voting on who to lynch? Who you would see lynched, yes | ||
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On January 22 2010 10:42 Zona wrote: In any case, I think meeple should make his (you are a he? I tire of typing his/her) own choice. That way later on his decisions can be examined, and he can't use the excuse of "I was just going along with the town's consensus" to explain away decisions. Yes I'm a guy... If I'm elected, I will make my own decisions, but ultimately the mayor is there to serve the town, right? | ||
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On January 22 2010 11:25 Bill Murray wrote: i would also like to request a detective to rolecheck me Why? Regardless, I'm out, cya... | ||
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On January 22 2010 12:54 ghote wrote: can we pm people who are in game? about the game? I think so, as far as I know... | ||
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On January 22 2010 12:53 Abenson wrote: As of now I think we'll need some blue coordination or gathering of some sorts. Right now the greens can only wait for the mafia to strike... About this, are there any suggestions as to how the blues should meet? | ||
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On January 22 2010 13:03 Faronel wrote: I'm kind of the inactive player. I'll post about like 1 post a day... mostly voting for who or what not. My activity is constant by small. But yea I voted for t_co cause I liked the banner , and "mafia experience" platform. Just a warning... there is going to be a certain degree of "would would mafia do in this situation?" reasoning. But in the end, the chances of actually hitting a mafia like this is really small, and each time you do lynch on a wifom decision it thins out the town's #'s, more so in the beginning due to more density of townies per mafia. So, I'm kind of advocating a wait for better than "that's exactly what mafia would do" proof, or like a MustLynch situation to lynch. Also, isn't there logic in lynch the mayor due to the massive # of votes he gets. Mafia has better use for that power than town because town already has a majority # of votes. Especially in days where the lynch vote is split b/w 3 people, the mayor essentially has the decision in his hands. The power gained by mafia is the mayor were mafia is so much greater than the power gained by the town if the mayor is indeed town. Unless the mayor abstains from voting most of the days? What did you edit... just because you're not really allowed to edit by the rules of the game | ||
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On January 22 2010 13:51 Zona wrote: I really think detectives or medics should NOT reveal themselves to anyone else at this point in the game, except for detectives who have confirmed who they're talking to is town (even then, a tiny godfather risk). The risk of revealing to a mafia member is there. Actually I question the judgement of the detective that revealed him/herself to DrH, as there's no guarantee DrH is town. I agree with this, however: Alternatively, we can demand that meeple reveals who he plans to vote for, then other townies adjust their votes so that his vote is effectively strength one. For example, if players A and B are lynch candidates, and meeple wants to vote for A, have him vote for A, but also switch one NORMAL voter from A to B, then meeple has effectively added one vote to A (as A gets +3 -1 vote, and B gets +1 vote, so the difference between them is greater by one). Of course if there's 3 people up for lynch it gets more complicated. Quickstriker, I would prefer if you didn't post in this thread - there's already so much to read and re-read when we want to re-examine things. Finally, if there were NO medics - then if I were mafia, I would want to eliminate the people who are generating the most discussion, regardless of who they are suspicious of, just to stop the town from generating more information. However, since there are medics, the mafia need to guess who will be medic-protected and adjust accordingly. And they also can't eliminate all town members who discuss a lot, because then any remaining active players will be exposed as mafia. Still, I hope the medics keep this in mind. There are some methods for coordination that don't require revealing. For example, one idea is that detectives rolecheck the player below them on the player list. If town, that would give them someone to talk to. However, I'm not convinced that using the rolecheck early is the way to go (it might be). I don't mind being nerfed if it means a bit of working together... | ||
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On January 23 2010 05:12 Faronel wrote: I added in the 2nd paragraph about how lynching the mayor is awesome. lmao, fair enough | ||
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On January 23 2010 05:33 citi.zen wrote: At what point does this sort of thing become grounds for a ban? No idea? At this point probably right away. Everyone should know by now... | ||
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Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death. His followers frightening appearance: a monster/beast of some sort... fits with the tiger theory behind Hobbes. His attackers stamina: It also fits with a tiger... since you won't be able to outrun a tiger. unperturbed strangling: tiger is a natural killer Sorry guys, unless someone else has a brilliant theory, I gotta say Hobbes | ||
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Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage: A wild animal?? Frick... Hobbes again? A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention: No idea yet The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail: Perhaps a clue, but I don't know how | ||
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Meanwhile, long after his fellow townspeople had left, Abenson lingered at the site of the lynching to ponder the unsettling recent events affecting Liquidia. He was so deep in his reflections that it took him a while to become aware of a presence beside him, also contemplating the empty gallows. He turned to face his fellow observer and cleared his throat. "Sad, isn't it?" he ventured. "Yes," the man responded. "Many men will die here, before all this is done. One of them will be you." As the words filtered through Abenson's brain, he blinked in sudden, terrible comprehension and turned to run. But the other man was unfazed; he simply reached out and grabbed a handful of Abenson's shirt with a powerful grip, preventing him from getting anywhere. Before the thwarted Abenson could break free or lash out, his attacker drove his knee hard into Abenson's groin, causing him to double over in agony. With a few quick punches and kicks, Abenson was left mangled before his attacker left the lynch site as quietly as he had come. "Yes," the man responded. "Many men will die here, before all this is done. One of them will be you.": I feel this is a quote from somewhere... like a famous movie. Anyone? The attacker's powerful grip, and the fact that he beat Abenson to death: Could fit a number of people mystlord - "eye am the strongest" cynanmachae - machae are greek gods of battle of some sort, | ||
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On January 23 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote: For the record: Bill had identified himself as a detective to a number of people, including myself. I asked him to be careful and stop doing that, but he explained he is an outgoing guy and doesn't care if it gets him killed. The rest is, unfortunately, history for him. I repeat: if you are a blue, keep quiet and stay alive, unless you are sure of those you can trust. Will take a look at the clues now... Ah, thats a shame... yeah I'll second the need to be careful vote. | ||
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Regardless it does help us, so thanks. Dr.H then is probably in question, and he does fit the profile of the second killer in the first day. A Doctor would be very clean and surgical. Also the "thin blade" could point to a scalpel. | ||
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he edited twice... the second was necessary, the first... not so much. But ok | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I'm wrong and we can double lynch today, I favor using it. What if we're using the double lynch tommorow? | ||
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On January 23 2010 14:20 789 wrote: I thought about the kane]deth[ thing. What I found could actually be interesting. A meaning of kane It is apparently a musical instrument that is vaguely bucket shaped, though not very deep. So I looked at a few more pictures just doing a google image search and it appears they can be made deeper than the one shown on the wikipedia page. Additionally, a kane is played with mallets. While admittedly not exactly sledge hammers, I think it is close enough for consideration. I also like the flamewheel/olympian reference still. Nice find... it looks exactly like a cross between a hat and a bucket.. | ||
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On January 23 2010 14:23 flamewheel91 wrote: Well, so coming back I find that I'm the prime suspect now (it's actually quite exciting!) though somewhat saddening as well. Yes, the Olympic runner thing is quite strong--I agree. That picture I've chosen was specifically from the Beijing 2008 Olympics after Googling "Beijing Man"--one of my nicknames at school. I really don't have that much to say in my defense, other than point out that the Olympic reference, albeit strong, being the only thing convicting me. The people who have more free time on their hands, I would urge you to check more clues, seeing as if there is one 'solid' connection to any other person(s), that would somewhat invalidate the fact that I have one solid connection as well to being tied in with the mafia members. Things I would like people to look into further (or stuff I will look at if I have the time / life: P) "Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death." Streetlamps are mentioned twice--first while Blue_arrow is running and second when he tires out and slumps. Smaller and less noticeable but maybe containing clues: the "violet" dusk, the alcohol (tipsiness), and the tuneless whistling. Furthermore, I'm aware of bandwagoning and the snowball effect, so I'm fairly certain it would be quite hard for me to change most peoples' minds, seeing as how most of the active posters (and mayor and sheriff, darn this town is stacked against me) are against me. Being as such that I won't be back until 8:30 p.m. tomorrow from the Duke tournament, I won't have much time to defend myself between now and then. All in all, if you want to lynch me next--go ahead. Tritely put, I'll turn up green. (And it would really suck to be the miller my first game.) It's been very interesting reading what everybody has put up and I do not believe I am the most active, probably having only around 20 posts on this thread at this point. If not yourself... then who? | ||
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tredmaster - a solid, plodding pace... untiring... catches up with you no matter what... Blue-master was the guy running at near Olympic speed, not the killer... | ||
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On January 23 2010 15:02 StimiLant wrote: alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously. The tea -> Stimulated link is probably one of the weakest | ||
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Some of the people here aren't really looking at the clues before deciding what to do... The fact that you came out so strongly for it immediately after DrH suggested it is somewhat suspicious that you're just following his lead instead of thinking for yourself. | ||
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On January 23 2010 15:23 flamewheel91 wrote: Meeple--is this last post directed at me? From context, I'm going to assume no but I'd like to make sure. directed at ghote | ||
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On January 23 2010 16:59 JohannesH wrote: I dont agree with this... It can be good to have more accusations going on since that gives us more intel about peoples opinions on each other. And when someone turns out to be mafiaman you can intepret that info. Everyone being totally quiet is worse than baseless accusations made to see reactions. t_co wasn't all bad... and its really unfortunate that he turned out to be a townie... but he just wasn't being helpful really. I agree that you need some accusations thrown around to see people react... but he did it in such a way as to bring suspicion on himself | ||
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On January 23 2010 21:18 Ng5 wrote: Okay I've read the first 50 pages and I'm off eating just one thing. I love when people talk about math. Even something this simple things just elude you... Double lynch only when it reduces KP? What the... Seriously. If mafia KP reduces with 3 correct lynches it doesn't matter if you go 2-1 or 1-2, given all three lynches are a hit. It will happen after two days. If you think you are 100% sure it doesn't matter. If you are wrong - again it doesn't matter, because you would probably lynch those 3 even in a 1-1-1 order. Another thing. Even if a dual lynch doesn't reduce KP it reduces mafia number. So even in the hypothetical situation where we could have a dual lynch now and it would be a dual-success too. We would be left with 5 mafia and an unchanged KP of 3, yes. But those 3 clues would point to 5 mafia members instead of 6 - giving out possibly more valuable information. And if you go single lynch maybe one or more of those 3 clues would point against someone you were already sure of being mafia, etc. I think you get the point. Bon appetite. I agree, and also we've got clues piling up, by tommorow we'll have 8 clues in our arsenal to draw from. We should be able to draw two people that we're absolutely sure of. | ||
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First killer: tredmasta I can't ignore all the plodding at the same pace references. Second Killer: [kane]deth I'm not nearly as certain about this though, The discovery about the instrument was good, but it doesn't explain the animalistic nature of it... and I personall woudlnt' lynch on this. Third Killer: Mystlord He has an "eye I am the strongest" quote in his profile and which seems to fit this superhuman stregth attacker. Overall, I'm much more set on Killer #1's identity right now. | ||
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On January 24 2010 07:24 Ser Aspi wrote: Also we have no reason to double lynch as of now. We have 0 suspects on any kind of reasonable evidence. If the DTs catch someone at night the vigis can handle it if they don't vigis don't have to. Otherwise we are just going to waste it and probably kill more greens if people keep trying to force red herrings on pplz. We have plenty of suspects... by the time we get to use our double lynch there will be 8 clues at our disposal, almost certainly enough for two lynches. If we don;t start taking action now, we're going to be sunk later on. | ||
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On January 24 2010 09:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We have a large pool of suspects right now, based on clues. Both Hobbes and flamewheel91 also connect to clues from the Day 2 post as well as kane/tredmasta/Mystlord. tredmasta has been extremely inactive, as well as kane]deth[, which imo makes both them more suspicious. Hobbes has been somewhat active, although mostly defensive, but his behavior doesn't come across as suspicious. At this point is there a reason you pick kan]deth[ over tredmasta or the others? | ||
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On January 24 2010 10:20 Mystlord wrote: I was planning to pick through the clues myself, but well, other people already did it . In any case, I agree that we should hold off on the double lynch. I think it would be the most effective once we lynch at least 1 mafia so we can possibly bring their KP down to 2 while giving us the most clues. So here's my suspects: Killing 1 - flamewheel91. I can see your point about tredmasta meeple, but to tread doesn't mean to chase relentlessly or to plod. I think the olympic runner tie in is much more believable. Killing 2 - kane]deth[. This has been discussed before and I don't see any other references to the methods that were used to kill Bill Murray in any profile. Killing 3 - Not sure. I honestly can't find a suitable match without stretching a little bit, so I'll leave this blank for now. Now as for meeple's accusation of me regarding the third clue, my quote is a reference to Cirno from The Touhou Project. The circles around the letters are a reference to her famous (or infamous) ⑨ designation, which has become almost synonymous with stupidity in the Touhou community. The reason that it says "eye" instead of "I" is because in Japanese, Cirno uses the personal pronoun "atai" to refer to herself, which is a rather childish way to do it. In English, you can't get the same connotation, so I decided to substitute "eye" just for the heck of it . As for her catch phrase, here's the relevant part from the earlier article link: Phantasmagoria of Flower View (PoFV) and Hisoutensoku are both games in the series, but the irony here is that she's actually not the strongest, rather she's the weakest (Stage 1 boss while there are 9 Stages total). Make of it what you will, but I think some context is necessary. I wasn't saying that treading meant to plod/chase, but rather the fact that he couldn't outrun the attacker, and the fact that you can't really outrun a treadmill (for which treadmaster is a brand), and it will always keep the same pace (ie, plod). For me thats a stronger connection/better connection than flamewheel The connection between you and the third killer is shaky at best, which is why I put my faith behind the first killer | ||
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On January 24 2010 10:32 Mystlord wrote: Sorry for the edit, but I honestly don't remember what I edited >.< Wait Treadmaster is a treadmill brand? When I google Treadmaster I get: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=treadmaster&btnG=Search&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq= Am I missing something here? https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=773537 I was under the impression that it was a colloquialism | ||
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On January 24 2010 14:05 StimiLant wrote: kanedeth, it seems to me based on day twos clues you are a top suspect, rebuddle in ur defence before i vote for ur death? plz give strong arguments I'd like to hear a couple people defend yourself actually, kane keit tredmasta If you have anything to say, say it now | ||
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And why do you think they're more suspicious than someone like keit, who hides in the shadows and can be linked to some clues? | ||
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On January 24 2010 15:47 JohannesH wrote: <3 But gotta agree that clues mostly distract us at this point, we might get lucky and hit a gangsta but thats pretty unlikely to me - and even if we get them that way, we cant really connect them to other mafiamen with that method. I would take under suspicion anyone who votes for a double lynch, either they are mafia trying to cut the townie count faster & save themselves from it at later date, or just really stupid which isnt desirable either. Right now most of the votes are based off clues... who would you suggest instead? | ||
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On January 24 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote: Focus being on the word trying. Why lynch more when we have less info, when we can wait and do it at a time where we have more info. Prime thing to look at i think would be to see what happened with Bill - people who were in touch with him are suspects to me, but not necessarily mafia ofc (well goes for everyone...) If the vote is centered around clue 1 vs clue 2, mafia choosing based on that pretty much zero info about their voting patterns for the future. And if theres just 1 real candidate for lynch in the end they can go with it, was that guy mafia or not. Gonna do some more reading & analysing at some point later... Shit is not easy :/ I agree that people associated with the whole Bill incident are a bit fishy... but it's kinda a shame he was so suspicious about it. | ||
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On January 24 2010 16:33 Mystlord wrote: Wait - You mean not so suspicious about it? As for the double lynch, I still don't think we should use it just yet. I don't see the need to use it until we get at least 1 mafia. He kept begging for Medic protection... and he did mention that he was "more active than it would appear" or something to that nature. Its difficult to know whether or not the Mafia would be smart enough to take this as indication that he's a blue. | ||
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On January 24 2010 21:27 keit wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalpel Are you suggesting the thin blade -> DrH | ||
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On January 24 2010 20:45 StimiLant wrote: are u saying to lynch flamewheel before kane? how and why does that give more clues, kane hasnt even defended himself either He's comparing the clues we get as a result of lynching either one, I think | ||
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On January 24 2010 22:20 JohannesH wrote: Would our sheriff be cunning enough to be mafia and play the way he has played now? He writes articles all the time... I mean, he's a writer. It's not impossible to imagine he's that clever. | ||
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On January 25 2010 02:28 tredmasta wrote: Hey guys, sorry I haven't posted in a while. I was not at home all of yesterday. I saw that I had been suspected, but I think overall, the clues point more to flamewheel91. My name is based off of a treadmill, but nothing else in my profile seems to really fit the clues. Well... why exactly do you think flamewheel91 fits better? The only thing incriminating him is the pic in his profile... | ||
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On January 25 2010 02:49 StimiLant wrote: keit has cookie monster pic in profile which ties to the apple shoved down a throat like cookie monster shoves cookies down his Also the barbaric appearance | ||
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Some of the top suspects: kane]deth[: A kane is a musical instrument that looks similar to a cross between a bucket and a top hat, and is played with a mallet. Killer #2 was wearing a rusty bucket and killed his victim with a sledgehammer. Also kane hasn't been posting too much. tredmasta/flamewheel: tredmasta is a reference to a treadmill. flamewheel has a picture of an olympic runner. The killer #1 is discribed as having an relentless plotting pace. Also the victim is described as running at nearly Olympian speed. The plotting pace could refer to the endless cycle of a treadmill or the stamina of an Olympian. keit: Cookie monster profile pic could be the barbaric reference in Day 1, as well, the killer shoves an apple down the throat of his victim, similar to how Cookie monster does with cookies. Again made somewhat more suspicious by keit's lack of posting here. DoctorHeveltica: Killer #2 in Day one was described as very cleanly, making sure to clean up after he had finished, somewhat reminiscent of a Doctor. Although a bigger hint would be the thin blade that could be a reference to a scalpel. Also DrH was one of the 3 people that knew that Bill Murray was a detective. Having said that, Bill wasn't exactly discrete about his actions and this should be considered suspicious but not entirely incriminating. Less clue related suspicions: ghote: Perhaps too bandwagony (if that's a word). Even admitted himself that his vote to lynch kane was just following the popular choice. He has made a couple of arguably suspicious posts of this nature. A couple others but I hesitate to put them here since they don't seem to have a solid basis yet. If I have forgotten anything, or said anything incorrectly feel free to point it out. | ||
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The kane]deth[ connection is actually the weakest to me... for right now at least. Its true that the shape of the instrument is strangely similar... but its not really a bucket, nor should be rusty, and there was mention of "a wild animal being set loose in his garage". Something I don't think is a coincedence. My vote would go for either tredmasta or flamewheel91 since both have a fairly strong relation. Personally the description rings too much like trying to outrun a treadmill to me that I would say tredmasta. keit and DrH are both close to the top of my list for different reasons, but they're shakier than the tredmasta link. The cookiemonster theory can't explain the odd appearance of an apple, and DrH has good points when he says that the Mafia could've figured out Bill's blue role without anyone needing to tip them off. As for ghote, I think for now at least, there's nothing too solid linking him, but somewhere on the threat level beneath keit and DrH. | ||
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On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote: Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required. Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret. Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start. I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now. I don't think the clues even pointed towards kane... it was kinda a stretch from the beginning and I don't know why people went for it. I've already explained why I voted for tredmasta. I wouldn't say we should back away from clues, but think more objectively when considering them. A kane is a fairly obscure musical instrument... and if you ask someone on the street "what does this look like" I assure you they will almost never say "bucket" | ||
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On January 25 2010 12:15 789 wrote: Tredmasta was as much of a stretch as kane was. I was considering voting for flamewheel, but at the time I voted it wouldn't have mattered. It is all a moot point if Zona is right about us reading the clues wrong. I'd have to disagree, the tredmasta/flamewheel link was way stronger imo... The chances of kane actually referring to that hat-like instrument were low, but also it doesn't look like a bucket. I know I've posted a picture and argued in favour of this case before. But if you look at it objectively, and you're not trying to see a bucket, then its not there, whereas running/olympic runner/treadmill can't be imagined. | ||
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On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote: Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think. Agreed... or at least they shouldn't do it. | ||
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On January 25 2010 12:34 ghote wrote: ... i chose to vote the way i did, because when i saw the votes, it seamed that the only person getting votes, was kane. everyone had already taken there votes off of flamewheel, and nobody had voted for Hobbes (the two people who i think fit the clues the best) so i stuck with the crowed, because i dont think a single vote for the eather of those two would have mattered. You can't always just follow the crowd and use that as a crutch. Eventually you'll need to form your own opinion and defend it. | ||
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On January 25 2010 12:58 789 wrote: Anyway, at some point this night cycle we're going to need to give the blues advice on how to use their abilities. If the detectives (I hope we have 1 left at least) didn't use the role check to find a person to trust tactic ... they could do that. It would also be nice if they could use their clue checking abilities to find out incognito's clue writing style. From the beginning they should have been checking people and expanding their network, hopefully the detectives have been doing that. | ||
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Not that I distrust Zona... but I would stick to people we know are trustworthy. Zona seems really objective, but thats not entirely a reason to trust him just yet. Citi.zen can probably be trusted at the moment. | ||
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On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote: your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea This has been said before. We should be looking at clues as well as behavior. The clues are there to guide us, but not solid enough that they should stand alone. | ||
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On January 25 2010 14:07 JohannesH wrote: Not blindly you moron. But who pisses who off, how people react to different accusations, force choices of voting on people, thats how this game is played. Just playing a riddle solving game out of the clues would be retarded. Cmon man, namecalling? We're not in 5th grade. Calm down. | ||
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On January 25 2010 22:28 citi.zen wrote: One more comment: there is a mention after the last lynching of the second amendment, which is the right to bear guns. Are there clues in the lynchings?? | ||
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On January 26 2010 00:28 JohannesH wrote: Aggressive behaviour shouldnt be considered suspicious most of the time. Thats the stance we should take collectively. Inactivity is whats suspicious. And in the end, it isnt right now so crucial as who we lynch right now since lets face it - it far more likely to hit a townie at this point. What matters is getting discussion with substance, to pile clues for later. I would mostly agree with this. Some people would argue that we lynched kane]deth[ off clues, but I think it was mainly because he didn't protest at all. Regardless, what are people's ideas concerning the double lynches? Should we only use it if we're absolutely sure of two mafia? | ||
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Ng5: 21 blue_arrow: 20 CynanMachae: 19 Nikoner: 19 Ser Aspi: 18 Mystlord: 17 The_Master: 12 JohannesH: 8 Phrujbaz: 7 keit: 7 Hyperbola: 6 Faronel: 5 Jayme: 5 tredmasta: 4 magicbullet: 3 dinmsab: 3 derfboy: 1 Fallen_arK: 1 kane]deth[: 1 skronch: 1 ohN: 0 All people with lower postcounts. But really... its not just about that | ||
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On January 27 2010 03:33 Ng5 wrote: There's no use of voting when the second day's lynching turned out to be still to random for my taste. When it matters I will vote. If it was a double lynch today I would have voted. But. There's not much use to post too much under current circumstances. Other people are active enough, when I post I just give alternatives without stating opinion. I don't just guess around, and for me to make solid and clear statements I would like to be sure we are getting somewhere at least. Killing two mafia would be getting somewhere, but yesterday I couldn't have convinced anyone to lynch the one I considered the most likely no matter what I had done. And that would have been only one mafia still. Now go ahead and put the wet blanket on me for being cold and counting. I won't even defend myself, so you'll have an easier time. At least put down who you're thinking of... it gives everyone something to think about and discuss. | ||
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On January 27 2010 03:50 Ng5 wrote: I think there's a typo in the last night's post. They can't possibly mean sunday 9 pm till deadline. I think it was sunday 9 pm for mafia deadline for last night's killings, no? The deadline should be like in 31 hours from now I think | ||
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On January 27 2010 04:00 dreamflower wrote: Oops. Yes, I copy-pasted from the last Day post and forgot to change the deadline. The voting closes at Wednesday at 9 PM EST. Sorry for any confusion this might have caused. I'm really impressed at how closely you're following this. Totally makes things better. Cheers | ||
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On January 27 2010 04:03 Ng5 wrote: Hi there, little boys and girls (#### ###!) Today we're gonna to learn how to poison squirrels I think tomorrow we should double lynch. If we don't we'll take at least three days to reduce kill power after which we would end up with ten townies and four mafia, which is pretty close. Not to mention we probably aren't going to score three out of three on our next guesses. (Personally I think even if the town wins it will be by a slight margin. If it happens you're gonna argue with it because I would call even five-six townies left a slight margin.) If we don't hit at least two mafia with the three strikes given we double tomorrow - I think we should double right after on day five too. If we hit at least two on day three-four I think we have time to double on the sixth day if we're lucky. I would support this... by tommorow we should have a plethora of clues and leads to go on. | ||
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On January 27 2010 06:14 Mystlord wrote: Oh, I have a question for the mods. Do the clues go in order? So like there's a cycle of seven and each clue corresponds to a person. So Clues 1 and 8 would refer to the same mafia? Just asking. I'd also like an answer to this... so just to bring more attention to it in case it was missed | ||
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On January 27 2010 04:48 Ng5 wrote: Mystlord eyem the strongest. Very-very weak link. It takes strength to throw someone out the window. But it doesn't to kick the fridge's door on someone. keit Again the only link is showing down an apple down the victim's throat. I don't know much for how barbaric Cookie Monster is, but isn't it far-fetched to call him so? Something not so obvious. meeple Into the fray my friends, may our feet be swift, our hands be sure, and our necks keep a firm grasp on our heads. ... Swift feet... Just how swift should you be to kick the door on someone right as you see they are ducking behind it. Given that Incognito was the quickest to react. And hands sure? How sure (and quick) should hands be to block a knife with an apple. And also, being struck, blocking with an apple and showing it right down their throat - and then throwing them out of the window. The quote itself also seems something you would say before a charge - a far-fetched relation with taunting, but it's still not much more far-fetched than the previous links. Another thing. Maybe there's someone linked to a barbaric/tribal shaman? I have the feeling something is still missing about this barbaric person we haven't uncovered yet. Just a feeling. Well... there's not really all that much to defend for this, since the link is basically fabricated. For that matter... I have no idea how someone would suspect Mystlord for this clue over the clue actually containing fog/mist. In my quote, there's nothing barbaric about it (something that's been mentioned twice now)... Swift feet usually involve running instead of kicking, and the quote isn't even close to being taunting, In fact when I wrote it I imagined what I would say to "the troops" to lift their spirits. | ||
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On January 27 2010 06:12 Mystlord wrote: Ever notice how my name is M"y"stlord not M"i"stlord? You're grasping at straws here. And I don't see how "eye'm the strongest" ties into the poison or the strangulation. I might sound defensive and demeaning, but I would like to see a better link to the killer than what you're giving. I'm still finding keit a better lynch candidate for tonight. As for this, the mist reference isn't particularly the strongest of all, but I don't think it can be discounted. Clues very well be plays on the words, it doesn't necessarily have to be so obvious. As for now, its the only thing that fits that kill, and at the moment it fits it rather well. | ||
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On January 27 2010 08:31 dreamflower wrote: On the advice of my lawyer, I'm just going to say: No comment. lol... so... maybe? | ||
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On January 27 2010 08:47 Ng5 wrote: I think it's time to test one of my theories for a change and then draw the conclusions about thought-processes. We don't really have that luxury... | ||
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Well... to put it out there, keit very well might've gotten bored with the game and offered to sac himself for the better of the mafia, so they would continue to have a person in power. He posted this earlier: On January 26 2010 17:50 keit wrote: Yes you should lynch me. And when I questioned him about DrH's accusations against him he sent me this PM back: keit:Nah, no defense. Vote me out this game is fucking gay. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: meIs there any defense you have for DrH's accusations? The clues don't fit all too much, but I still want to hear something from you. | ||
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On January 27 2010 14:32 flamewheel91 wrote: I thought of something: So obviously there are red herrings in the clues (or at least, things that we have misinterpreted), as we have been accusing townies and killing them. But, for the mods, if they will deign to answer: We all know the unfortunate position of the miller, he who perceives himself to be town but is thought of as not. Does he get clues written about him, as if he were a mafia member? He would have to right? Otherwise how would we ever guess? | ||
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On January 28 2010 07:59 Ser Aspi wrote: A few other bits of evidence if anyone is on the fence. * DH knew bill murray. bill died. I told DH abenson was blue for various reasons. abenson died *The key problem was day 2. I make a post saying we should ease back on clues and look elsewhere for evidence. DH agreed with me, then promptly did an about face 180 without saying anything and voted for kane off of a clue. uhhh what da? DTs should check those who tried to save DrH early on and who were inactive otherwise. Derfboy comes to mind. Do it asap so you can relay to citizen and if we get a mafia someone can vigi them. Whoa whoa whoa... why did you tell DrH Abenson was blue... and how did you know Abenson was blue? | ||
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On January 28 2010 11:39 Ng5 wrote: You're dead. Now shut up like a good little hellspawn. Yeah that was probably unnecessary... You accused tons of people of being Mafia, you were bound to hit a couple of them | ||
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On January 28 2010 11:52 Ng5 wrote: Yes. Paint me the bad mannered one here, please. Then tell me who mentioned Jayme aside from me and how I wanted to lynch him next. It's called credit where it's due against BM reactions which didn't even worth a reply before. You were pretty clearly sarcastic and arrogant. I'm not saying DrH was an angel, but frick man don't get involved in a shitstorm and then pretend like you're the victim. Also, I supported you when you were looking at Jayme: On January 27 2010 08:17 meeple wrote: The clue also mentions his curiousity... "Curious as a cat" | ||
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On January 28 2010 12:10 flamewheel91 wrote: I would like that. Post-game analysis would provide for a lot. Yup that would be really cool | ||
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Why? tredmasta fits a solid clue about the runner... and he's had some suspicious votes/posts. He fits the description too much for me to ignore. ' Hyperbola can't be tagged to any clues as of yet, but I agree with his odd posting, so tommorow I'd advocate lynching him. | ||
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On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..." For me anyways, DrH's constant attacks on you have shoved you off the list for the time being. There are much better suspects. | ||
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First killer is [r]Hyperbola[/r] The "big burden" that he's carrying is a reference to the shellfish in his profile pic... and likewise, he strangles JohannesH just like the shellfish looks like he's strangling the crab. However, I still suspect tredmasta for the same reasons I've stated. But in my mind they're both confirmed mafia and it doesn't matter the order they die. I'll vote for whoever seems likely to go down. | ||
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On January 30 2010 00:55 Ng5 wrote: I would suggest a little patience before voting for double lynch. If we are right and kill power goes down to one we'll have a fresh clues pointing at only one of the remaining two mafia, so we could optionally lynch him and we'll get a clue for the last one the day after. If we are not right and the kill power stays on two we can reconsider and possibly get on of the last three mafias tomorrow and if we see fit vote for a double lynch for the day after tomorrow. I would suggest against rushing it too much. Yes there's always a rush to finish a game when you seem to get into advantage, but it's not always the best option. That's true... but at this point the chances of mafia coming through are slim to none, so I'd rather take a chance and try get this over with. | ||
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On January 30 2010 02:09 Ng5 wrote: At least I can go and play some chess now that my room is finally finished. Will you be streaming? | ||
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On January 30 2010 02:14 Phrujbaz wrote: how was citi.zen confirmed innocent by the way? Bill Murray rolechecked him... then kinda cheated and posted it after death... | ||
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On January 30 2010 02:40 Iaaan wrote: Your game is ridiculous xd Just spent like 7 hours reading the whole thing, good job guys (: Thanks, its been fairly intense... for me anyways. | ||
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On January 30 2010 03:56 StimiLant wrote: funniest thing in other game so far is the seven mod kills, "flash from heavens" Haven't they had a bunch more modkills too? | ||
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On February 02 2010 18:28 Phrujbaz wrote: So when is the regame? Isn't this a dangerous time for people with midterms just around the corner? | ||
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