Also the problem with my idea is the relay of information.

A mafia could say DoctorH is red to get him lynched. If he flips green/blue the person who relayed the information becomes a lynch target. He could be mafia or innocent, duped by the mafia.
A detective could follow through on this, send his PM to a mafia. This could potenially cost us a detective AND sherrif.
If DoctorH ends up being lynched and flips red, the person who relays the information is a target to be hit. Whether the detective himself or the person he sent a PM too.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:38 GMT

#851

On January 23 2010 02:33 StimiLant wrote:
i thought sheriff, mayor, godfather cant be role checked? maybe i am mistaken

I'm suggesting a "does clue x point to y" check not a role check.

I'm not sure about my suggestion really. It is high risk - high reward. I'm not sure the risk is worth it. And if I were in the shoes of the detective or person who receives a PM from a "detective" I'm not sure how I would act.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:41 GMT

#854

I guess, but at this point who can the detective be sure to trust. I'm not sure there is anyone who is definitely trust worthy at this point.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:42 GMT

#855

On January 23 2010 02:40 StimiLant wrote:
yeah high risk is that if u find out reds how do u relay good info to the town without mafia killing u in the night phase

You would have to know who the medics are too. Get some protection for the person who relays the information. This would imply that there is no deceipt in the relay, which obviously can't be gauranteed. And it would be impossible to know who the medics are at this point.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:46 GMT

#857

Yeah, it is all so volatile at this point. A critical mistake this early could cost us the game in the long run. That is why I'm a big advocate of sitting tight and weathering the night 1 hits and hoping the day 2 clues are of value.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:46 GMT

#858

Though I do suggest the blues read all of this and take it into consideration on how best to use their powers during night 1. Be careful what you do with the information you learn though.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:52 GMT

#860

Best case scenario would be the medics choosing who to protect wisely. I estimate there is 2 medics. So if massive amounts of luck is on our side they can stop 2 hits. Though I think this would only afford us 1 clue. I think the exchange of only 1 dead member and 2 sets of 2 people who can definitely trust eachother is fair for only 1 clue though.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:55 GMT

#865

If only 1 medic comes through it can still be a good help. I know the odds aren't good, but the payoff is enticing.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:59 GMT

#867

Yeah, a clutch performance by the blue's would be awesome. I just hope they are at least lurking.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 18:00 GMT

#868

Lol, I just said blue's instead of blues again. I feel retarded today.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 18:17 GMT

#874

That sounds good, for at the very least night 1. Anyone got anything else for the medics besides what I've suggested before?

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 20:32 GMT

#884

Yeah, it does cap at 3. Meaning that we won't see any reduction in mafia KP until we take 3 of them out. After that it will only take 2 to reduce their KP. This will be when lynch/incarceration and double lynch combinations will start to be really useful if we have 2 mafia figured out.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 20:37 GMT

#889

I'd lean on the side of forgiving a new person for their first offense. But I'm really hoping people will start following the rules. I've read them a couple of times myself to make sure to not break any. I'd be up for enforcing the rule from here on out. If we decide to enforce retroactively, we'd have to decide on where to start.

But yeah, let's stop editing people.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 20:39 GMT

#891

On January 23 2010 05:36 meeple wrote:
Yeah, incarciration might be better saved as perhaps a saving measure... since the person who's incarcirated can't be killed

Also a good point. Incarceration could be used at some point as sort of an extra medic. We'd have to have the hit targets correctly identified though. I think that task is a little more difficult then having mafia identified. But if we should run into such a situation, we shouldn't hesitate to use it.

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United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 20:42 GMT

#892

I've seen a few, for instance DoctorH edited once really early in the game. He was adding to a list of election candidates and their platforms in one post. I can vouch that was a harmless edit though, as I read the post before and after the edit; I was just using it as an example.

As for now, I'm leaving work and will be busy for awhile. I'll try to hop back on as soon as possible, but it probably won't be until after the clues hit. So cya guys later, good luck to the blues to using their powers wisely.

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United States959 Posts

January 23 2010 04:50 GMT

#1003

Wow. That was quite a bad night for us... 2 Blues. The Billy Murray loss is understandable if he was telling a few people his role, but losing blue_arrow as a body guard seems so random. I browsed the clues and caught up on in reading in general.

I agree with a lot of people that the olympian reference and the profile picture of flamewheel is a solid connection. That would be my lynch vote for the time being. I'll have to take a closer look at the clues though.

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United States959 Posts

January 23 2010 05:20 GMT

#1004

On January 23 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Show nested quote +

kane]deth[ = death by sledgehammer?

that fits a little bit. I still think we should lynch flamewheel91 today and then hold off on a double lynch until it can reduce mafia kp

I thought about the kane]deth[ thing. What I found could actually be interesting.
A meaning of kane
It is apparently a musical instrument that is vaguely bucket shaped, though not very deep. So I looked at a few more pictures just doing a google image search and it appears they can be made deeper than the one shown on the wikipedia page. Additionally, a kane is played with mallets. While admittedly not exactly sledge hammers, I think it is close enough for consideration.

I also like the flamewheel/olympian reference still.

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United States959 Posts

January 23 2010 05:35 GMT

#1013

I'm going to have to agree with flamewheel at least on one account, we still have almost 48 hours left before the voting is finished. We should still give full effort on analyzing everything else. The more possible connections we find the better.

As for now, I've got about an hour drive back home to embark on. I may hop back on when I get home.

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United States959 Posts

January 23 2010 08:13 GMT

#1033

To be honest, I was pretty sure t_co was going to flip green. I just finally caved in and joined the "lynch t_co" crowd to quiet down the drama. The thing that made me think he was green is that he said if he was mayor he would lynch meeple. If meeple turned green we should lynch him the next day.

If he was mafia he would know if meeple is mafia or not. It would be odd to push for a day 1 lynch of another mafia. If meeple flips green and he is mafia - then he gets lynched. It wouldn't make much sense for a mafia to set himself up to get lynched after gaining the mayor position. That was just my opinion really. I probably should have brought it up, but I was tired of reading page after page of drivel lol.

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United States959 Posts

January 23 2010 19:01 GMT

#1047

The only thing I can come up with for blue_arrow is the mafia was like "hur hur he has blue in his name; he might be a blue." But yeah, it is far more likely it was a random choice that ended up being a good one.