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Pakistan10726 Posts
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RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:27 RainSunShowers wrote: After watching some of the badminton at this olympics, really makes me want to start playing again. Same here. sad that LCW loses again. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:16 Maenander wrote: I don't care about that, I just would like to see Badminton flourish outside of China, too, it lost a lot of ground in the last 20 years. It is a risk to lose a spot in the Olympics if one country keeps dominating it year after year. | ||
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keioh
France1099 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:16 Maenander wrote: I don't care about that, I just would like to see Badminton flourish outside of China, too, it lost a lot of ground in the last 20 years. Give USA 10 years. California is the USA version of China now, which have been for the last 5 years. I wouldn't be surprised if USA becomes top 3 country in world. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On August 06 2012 04:01 amazingxkcd wrote: Give USA 10 years. California is the USA version of China now, which have been for the last 5 years. I wouldn't be surprised if USA becomes top 3 country in world. Imho you need to fix your system, get a lot more actual clubs with dedicated coaches, get some sort of organized regular tournaments and then nourish your youth before you are going to stand a shot a getting a top10 player outside of just importing. Whilst there is a lot of talent in California I seriously doubt 10 years is going to cut it, but I would LOVE to be surprised. Perhaps it is just the Dane in me (we are after all known for our structure in Badminton, and even a rather average guy like me could crush most Europeans in the international tournaments), and perhaps it is possible to nourish some talent with the system you have in place, once again, please surprise me  Speaking of, this tuesday (the 7.th) I'm flying to San Francisco to work as a research scholar for a year. You (Amazingxkcd - or anyone else for that matter) don't happen to know of any good clubs around the place? I'm very good friends with a couple of Californian badminton players who have stayed and played in the Danish league, but inputs would really be appriciated | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:45 Escape wrote: It is a risk to lose a spot in the Olympics if one country keeps dominating it year after year. So...would basketball be likely to be removed as well? | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On August 06 2012 11:20 alffla wrote: oh my god i missed the lin dan lcw finals do you guys know if their are vods to download somewhere T_T lol Youtube Olympics page..It's fucking amazing | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:18 Ghostcom wrote: Imho you need to fix your system, get a lot more actual clubs with dedicated coaches, get some sort of organized regular tournaments and then nourish your youth before you are going to stand a shot a getting a top10 player outside of just importing. Whilst there is a lot of talent in California I seriously doubt 10 years is going to cut it, but I would LOVE to be surprised. Perhaps it is just the Dane in me (we are after all known for our structure in Badminton, and even a rather average guy like me could crush most Europeans in the international tournaments), and perhaps it is possible to nourish some talent with the system you have in place, once again, please surprise me Speaking of, this tuesday (the 7.th) I'm flying to San Francisco to work as a research scholar for a year. You (Amazingxkcd - or anyone else for that matter) don't happen to know of any good clubs around the place? I'm very good friends with a couple of Californian badminton players who have stayed and played in the Danish league, but inputs would really be appriciated Sorry, I am from Chicago. I played at Orange County Badminton club in LA for junior tourneys and that place was fantastic. My local club is found here MBC. Trust me, California is already been structured for a long time. You will be surprised  | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On August 06 2012 12:05 amazingxkcd wrote: Sorry, I am from Chicago. I played at Orange County Badminton club in LA for junior tourneys and that place was fantastic. My local club is found here MBC. Trust me, California is already been structured for a long time. You will be surprised Appreciated | ||
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zylog
Canada943 Posts
On August 06 2012 12:05 amazingxkcd wrote: Sorry, I am from Chicago. I played at Orange County Badminton club in LA for junior tourneys and that place was fantastic. My local club is found here MBC. Trust me, California is already been structured for a long time. You will be surprised Isn't Orange County Badminton Club the one that has Tony Gunawan and Halim Haryanto? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On August 06 2012 16:22 zylog wrote: Isn't Orange County Badminton Club the one that has Tony Gunawan and Halim Haryanto? Yes. AFAIK Howard Bach trained there as well. | ||
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keioh
France1099 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:18 Ghostcom wrote: Imho you need to fix your system, get a lot more actual clubs with dedicated coaches, get some sort of organized regular tournaments and then nourish your youth before you are going to stand a shot a getting a top10 player outside of just importing. Whilst there is a lot of talent in California I seriously doubt 10 years is going to cut it, but I would LOVE to be surprised. Perhaps it is just the Dane in me (we are after all known for our structure in Badminton, and even a rather average guy like me could crush most Europeans in the international tournaments), and perhaps it is possible to nourish some talent with the system you have in place, once again, please surprise me I was wondering why Danemark was ruling the European scene this much, and this even before I started to play ; nowadays it seems even more true ; this is the only country that can pretend to compare to the Asian scene. Could you explain me how your "federation" or system is working ? Is it like a "mandatory" sport for people, do you have massive accompagnement thoughout your youth ? In France I can tell that you're kind of already lost if you happen to be a player of some region. In any case you must prove your level at the youger possible age and it's very unlikely you'll succeed if you don't join a specialized structure ; I think there is like 95% of the top classed players that come frome those structure. Then like everywhere, only the best survive until the adult categories with people starting to "die" in U15. After that there is a very small kernel of very good players, and by this I mean who could pretend to win a secondary International open ; winning a super series seems completelely out of the question, even with Pi Hongyan playing for our country. The "Elite" category in France consists of 5% mondialy classed players, and the rest are players who I think cannot compare to anybody highly ranked in your country. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On August 07 2012 03:37 keioh wrote: I was wondering why Danemark was ruling the European scene this much, and this even before I started to play ; nowadays it seems even more true ; this is the only country that can pretend to compare to the Asian scene. Could you explain me how your "federation" or system is working ? Is it like a "mandatory" sport for people, do you have massive accompagnement thoughout your youth ? In France I can tell that you're kind of already lost if you happen to be a player of some region. In any case you must prove your level at the youger possible age and it's very unlikely you'll succeed if you don't join a specialized structure ; I think there is like 95% of the top classed players that come frome those structure. Then like everywhere, only the best survive until the adult categories with people starting to "die" in U15. After that there is a very small kernel of very good players, and by this I mean who could pretend to win a secondary International open ; winning a super series seems completelely out of the question, even with Pi Hongyan playing for our country. The "Elite" category in France consists of 5% mondialy classed players, and the rest are players who I think cannot compare to anybody highly ranked in your country. I'm sorry for not responding sooner than now, but I've been traveling to San Francisco and have been busy setting up my new life (still am, so I'll keep this short). It isn't a mandatory sport, but we've had enough success and icons through recent times to draw the attention of quite a few of the youth. In Denmark pretty much every reasonable sized town has a badmintonclub with a dedicated trainer. Starting from U9 until U17 there are tournaments every weekend for those interested (which is usually @ 40 in the mens singles and @ 20 pairs in mens doubles - most players play both until they reach Elite - these are numbers for the small tournaments, the major ones, like county and regional championships are swamped with players, although this varies with the level (E, M, A, B, C or D)) and from age 17 most people play together with the seniors (some prospects can do so from an even younger age, I've faced a 15 year old as 18 years old, but the physic is obviously going to hold them back a bit), although a U19 and U21 category does also exist. Percentage-wise I think the distribution between E, M, A, B, C and D is the same as in France, i.e. only a few percent in the E-category. The base of the pyramid is thus rather wide which makes it possible to draft even very young players into specialized institutions where they can receive special training. This starts from a very early age, my old coach was for example also a trainer for the U13 and U15 prospects and would spend most of his weekends coaching these at different tournaments. But what is usually emphasized is actually the intensity with which we train - I once heard an interview with an Indonesian player who had trained with the Danish national team and he had been throwing up due to the intensity. I don't really know if this holds true anymore (or ever did), but usual training is 2 hours long (done at least twice a week, even for players in C-category) with 1 hour of warm-up and technical training, 50 minutes of rounds planned by the coach and 10 minutes of physical training. This obviously varies during the season with more emphasis on the physical part in the start of the season and more and more time for rounds towards the end. A technical training drill is usually 1 minute (high-intensity) or 5 minutes (endurance) with 10 seconds breaks between, usually done 3 in a row and then a rotation. This is obviously not the full answer as if it was, other countries should be able to just replicate it and then they should be able to compete internationally, which obviously isn't the case, but I do think a system with dedicated coaches and weekly tournaments are required as a bare minimum. | ||
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