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On August 01 2012 23:49 DwD wrote:
Can't blame the players at all. It's the system they use that doesn't work for the olympics that's all. These players get a chance to play every 4th fucking year, who the hell wouldn't try to gain every advantage possible?
People who claim "but you will still have to beat them to win later".. The difference is if you face them in the final instead you get a silver, if you face them in the quarter you are out and win nothing. This type of thing happens in every sport in every tournament.
It's just dumb old men who run this thing poorly. Badminton is the only racket sport who does group stages.. and of course it causes problem only for Badminton. Just look at the table tennis tournament, play to win every game or you are out.
This was the first year that they had group stages for Badminton. I believe that the old geezers wanted to give fans opportunities for upset, but they forget that each player's goal is to win the entire event. Bracket fixing is necessary in their eyes if that advances their goals. I still am outraged by the fact that this happened to begin with, as it tarnishes badminton's reputation. Hopefully, the rest of the event will go smoothly.
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On August 01 2012 23:49 DwD wrote:
Can't blame the players at all. It's the system they use that doesn't work for the olympics that's all. These players get a chance to play every 4th fucking year, who the hell wouldn't try to gain every advantage possible?
People who claim "but you will still have to beat them to win later".. The difference is if you face them in the final instead you get a silver, if you face them in the quarter you are out and win nothing. This type of thing happens in every sport in every tournament.
It's just dumb old men who run this thing poorly. Badminton is the only racket sport who does group stages.. and of course it causes problem only for Badminton. Just look at the table tennis tournament, play to win every game or you are out.
A group stage poses no problem at all if the tournament is set up correctly, which it wasn't. Just do a Champions League style draw after the group stages and everything is fine.
By the way, at least for the Chinese team it wasn't about getting an immediate advantage in the quarter finals but about preserving the chance to get both gold and silver as opposed to gold and bronze for China.
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The format is far from perfect but if you throw a game in the Olympics it is a direct violation of the olympic spirit and thus you deserve to get disqualified. Justice has been served imo.
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On August 02 2012 00:22 DaCruise wrote:
The format is far from perfect but if you throw a game in the Olympics it is a direct violation of the olympic spirit and thus you deserve to get disqualified. Justice has been served imo.
What is this 'olympic spirit' exactly? Is it that you, as a competitor, ought to try to win the tournament, except when the tournament is broken so that your optimal strategy looks really bad for the spectators, in which case you try hard to win the individual game (or at least try to look like you're trying hard), whilst really hoping that you lose in order to get a better shot at winning the tournament everyone claims they want you to try to win?
This "Olympic spirit" strikes me as being dishonest, hypocritical claptrap, if you ask me.
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I understand why the women did what they did as the tournament setup created a silly situation, but they were quite dumb to do it so fragrantly. They were so obviously throwing the game that it was kind of insulting to the BWF and IOC. Then all the women were into it, like a big joke they were playing. I do think that if they used more subtlety the disqualification would not have happened.
This is quite unfortunate for the women's event though. Looking at the world rankings only 3 of the 8 top ranked women pairs in world are in the quarter finals of the Olympics (3 out from the disqualification, 2 for being Chinese and not in the top 2).
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It is a dumb tournament that makes losing a better option than winning.
BUT that doesn't make it ok to throw games in an Olympic final with tons of people watching live.
I do feel sorry for the Koreans though, they got dragged down into this mess when they weren't really the first culprits.
What they SHOULD have done is beaten the Chinese by a ridiculous score and then complained later.
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On August 02 2012 00:41 Klive5ive wrote:
It is a dumb tournament that makes losing a better option than winning.
BUT that doesn't make it ok to throw games in an Olympic final with tons of people watching live.
I do feel sorry for the Koreans though, they got dragged down into this mess when they weren't really the first culprits.
What they SHOULD have done is beaten the Chinese by a ridiculous score and then complained later.
The Koreans were trying to throw the game too, but the Chinese were better at both losing AND winning badminton than they were 
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On August 02 2012 00:41 zylog wrote:
I understand why the women did what they did as the tournament setup created a silly situation, but they were quite dumb to do it so fragrantly. They were so obviously throwing the game that it was kind of insulting to the BWF and IOC. Then all the women were into it, like a big joke they were playing. I do think that if they used more subtlety the disqualification would not have happened.
This is quite unfortunate for the women's event though. Looking at the world rankings only 3 of the 8 top ranked women pairs in world are in the quarter finals of the Olympics (3 out from the disqualification, 2 for being Chinese and not in the top 2).
I know this is just a typo and I do this all the time but I wanted to point out how humorous this statement is 
Throwing matches reeks of poor sportsmanship. It just stinks!
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They should have at least tried to look like they were playing. I watched the game and it was just ridiculous. My 10 year-old brother can play better.
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The problem were the Chinese just too much better, if they acted like trying they would win.
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Throwing a game is a poor way to represent your country regardless of it giving you the best chance to win the tournament. I agree with the disqualification.
The IOC made a mistake with setting up the tournament in this manner, but this reaction is by far the poorest the athletes could have.
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Honestly, South Korea could have just played normally then request an investigation into this matter since South Korea would come out ahead of that debacle.
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On August 02 2012 00:36 Aim Here wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 00:22 DaCruise wrote:
The format is far from perfect but if you throw a game in the Olympics it is a direct violation of the olympic spirit and thus you deserve to get disqualified. Justice has been served imo. What is this 'olympic spirit' exactly? Is it that you, as a competitor, ought to try to win the tournament, except when the tournament is broken so that your optimal strategy looks really bad for the spectators, in which case you try hard to win the individual game (or at least try to look like you're trying hard), whilst really hoping that you lose in order to get a better shot at winning the tournament everyone claims they want you to try to win? This "Olympic spirit" strikes me as being dishonest, hypocritical claptrap, if you ask me.
It's not spirit, it's an oath taken at the olympic ceremony for all athletes to adhere to fairplay and sportsmanship during the Games. Whether the bracket itself was at fault is completely irrelevant as they broke the oath taken, an oath which emphasises the key principles of the Games.
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Terrible disqualification, yeah it sucks that teams are losing on purpose but on the flip side they are trying as hard as they can to win the whole thing. Don't blame players for trying their best to win and definitely don't dq them for it. Lose the battle win the war scenario, except the battle was given away.
Also, the second dq really sucks cause winner has to play the first team that obviously threw so it would be idiotic to not thow.
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I cant believe when they installed the shitty group stages they didnt believe that no one would try and throw...
I don't get it. People throw ALL THE TIME in various group stages to get a better draw. I don't see why "sportsmanship and fairplay" precludes doing something smart, but thats just me
on top of that its retarded to force two teams of the same country to fight in the quarters when they are both gold medal contenders and then pretend that there is not strong incentive to avoid it
i mean at a given point, fuck "olympic spirit" someone messed up making the rules. there is throwing a major match for match fixing and then there's throwing to get a better draw. i think the latter is reasonable and if the olympics dont want it, fix the rules. stop baiting players
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On August 02 2012 01:13 CeriseCherries wrote:
I cant believe when they installed the shitty group stages they didnt believe that no one would try and throw...
I don't get it. People throw ALL THE TIME in various group stages to get a better draw. I don't see why "sportsmanship and fairplay" precludes doing something smart, but thats just me
on top of that its retarded to force two teams of the same country to fight in the quarters when they are both gold medal contenders and then pretend that there is not strong incentive to avoid it
i mean at a given point, fuck "olympic spirit" someone messed up making the rules. there is throwing a major match for match fixing and then there's throwing to get a better draw. i think the latter is reasonable and if the olympics dont want it, fix the rules. stop baiting players
rules are fine. They should have just redrawn the brackets chamion league style where no one knows who plays who.
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On August 02 2012 01:04 amazingxkcd wrote:
Men's singles on now!
I don't know where to watch, I want to see Gade vs Son T_T
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On August 02 2012 01:21 Maenander wrote:I don't know where to watch, I want to see Gade vs Son T_T
get expat shield, watch bbc stream. ????? profit
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I think all the people who are defending these players actions, truly don't understand what the Olympics are for. It's about competition, and proving yourself to the fucking world. You just make yourself look like a fucking dumbass by doing this sort of thing. You also look like less of an athlete, and you're ruining the sport.
Ban hammer well used.
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