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On August 07 2012 03:16 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:11 Flicky wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- It is massively annoying. It's a struggle to find out who even wins other events if a British person isn't on it through BBC. At the last olympics there was a day-recap video that covered every event that happened that day and the results. This time around, that only exists for those involving British athletes. Frankly, it's absolutely ridiculous. I understand that it's the home games but it's a world competition, just because we suck at badminton doesn't mean it shouldn't be news worthy. There is a show on about 10 past 12 each day called sports day. Has a 5-10 minute segmant recapping everything non british going on in the olympics. That and this thread is the only way i find out about events which dont have brits in. Pretty dissapointing tbh.
Have you checked out the BBC website? It has ALL the Sports, every single event, streamed live and VODs too. I earlier watched the Australian sailor win Gold. Not sure why are you complaining when they offer everything to viewers. TV is old-skool, it's now the Internet that is leading the media coverage.
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On August 07 2012 03:22 Trok67 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:49 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:44 Benjef wrote:On August 07 2012 02:32 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:21 revel8 wrote:
Great win by Kenny. Bauge is a world class competitor, but it is not his day. I dont think Bauge did bad today, he played on his level. It is the team GB who is too strong and get all the medals. They have probably found better materials / materials better adapted to the track or something else because this is just ridiculous to dominate like that and break all the record when they were pretty much at the same level as Australia/France/other countries last WC in Australia. Now they just beat easily every country on every race during this Olympics Since last olympics were they used new shit which they hid from everyone and got in trouble with higher ups they have had absolutely everything they're using today in the open. So anyone else can quite happily buy exactly the same bike and other equipment that the gb team is using if they want. Nah, we win because we cheat! I never mentionned cheat. But I think this is pretty much pointless to even try to discuss with you. Show nested quote +
The overwhelming focus on the Team GB cyclists is this Olympics. This is their target and their training and season is all geared up to peak here over all other competitions. Cycling is not a high profile sport in the UK, and only really gets media attention during the Olympics. The cyclists know they have to perform here in London because the vast majority of Brits neither know or care about track cycling otherwise. Team GB dominated the cycling last Olympics too and I expect them to probably do the same next time, although some big names will have retired.
well everybody prepare and want to win the olympics, not only the GB team. World championship in Australia was just a couple month ago, so I don't think the GB could have improved that much in such a short time scale. Anyway mechanics are part of the sport so there i no problem with that.
The Aussies were inspired by their home crowd, and so did well. Now the Brits have the home crowd to inspire them.
Also in the Melbourne Finals of the Track Cycling World Championships (UCI) a few months ago, the Brits set 2 WR in Olympic events and also won 5 Golds in Olympic events, so this has been coming.
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Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital.
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On August 07 2012 03:24 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:16 Benjef wrote:On August 07 2012 03:11 Flicky wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- It is massively annoying. It's a struggle to find out who even wins other events if a British person isn't on it through BBC. At the last olympics there was a day-recap video that covered every event that happened that day and the results. This time around, that only exists for those involving British athletes. Frankly, it's absolutely ridiculous. I understand that it's the home games but it's a world competition, just because we suck at badminton doesn't mean it shouldn't be news worthy. There is a show on about 10 past 12 each day called sports day. Has a 5-10 minute segmant recapping everything non british going on in the olympics. That and this thread is the only way i find out about events which dont have brits in. Pretty dissapointing tbh. Have you checked out the BBC website? It has ALL the Sports, every single event, streamed live and VODs too. I earlier watched the Australian sailor win Gold. Not sure why are you complaining when they offer everything to viewers. TV is old-skool, it's now the Internet that is leading the media coverage.
I know but I was refering to the main broadcasting channels. You have to go out of your way to find out about other things rather than the main channels mentioning it.
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On August 07 2012 03:36 Aristodemus wrote:
Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital.
Leading sky isn't something to be proud of on the tour... same for europcar...
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Okay let's drop the gb discussion for a bit and be happy for the Japanese women's football team! In the finals! Gogogogogo  ))) dunno why but seeing them win makes me super duper happy
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On August 07 2012 03:42 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:36 Aristodemus wrote:
Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital. Leading sky isn't something to be proud of on the tour... same for europcar...
Yes being the head of team sky and British cycling is something to be proud of
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On August 07 2012 03:12 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:07 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:01 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- Don't trouble the joy of the Brits. Since they are winning everything; sometimes greatly, sometimes strangely, sometimes unfairly, they think they are allowed to behave like obnoxious little pricks. And after being abrasive they will report you. This isn't a Olympic Thread anymore, it's a "GB is winning and the rest of the world can go fist themselves" thread. But the worst in this pathetic showing, is that some of GB athletes are completely forgotten despite being way more respectable than those highlighted today. Like the Men's Handball Team who is a bunch a semi-pros playing at their best against everyone. A sight to behold but some people prefer shinies over personal accomplishment. How are you enjoying these olympics Otolia? Please point out our unfair golds if you dont mind too. I'm enjoying these Olympics despite some dubious events (in Badminton, the judoka etc etc). I have no interest in blaming athletes but I am pointing out the poor behavior of all Brits in this thread these last 3 or 4 days. Still waiting for my apology.
I didn't see it until you mentioned it. I apologize.
My points still stands though. The results of GB doesn't excuse the incessant taunting and smearing that everyone has to endure here.
PS : And now we are back into a pointless debate ... It's like I'm fucking preaching in the wind. What I say also applies to the French who are trying to pick up fights !
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On August 07 2012 03:56 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:12 revel8 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:07 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:01 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- Don't trouble the joy of the Brits. Since they are winning everything; sometimes greatly, sometimes strangely, sometimes unfairly, they think they are allowed to behave like obnoxious little pricks. And after being abrasive they will report you. This isn't a Olympic Thread anymore, it's a "GB is winning and the rest of the world can go fist themselves" thread. But the worst in this pathetic showing, is that some of GB athletes are completely forgotten despite being way more respectable than those highlighted today. Like the Men's Handball Team who is a bunch a semi-pros playing at their best against everyone. A sight to behold but some people prefer shinies over personal accomplishment. How are you enjoying these olympics Otolia? Please point out our unfair golds if you dont mind too. I'm enjoying these Olympics despite some dubious events (in Badminton, the judoka etc etc). I have no interest in blaming athletes but I am pointing out the poor behavior of all Brits in this thread these last 3 or 4 days. Still waiting for my apology. I didn't see it until you mentioned it. I apologize. My points still stands though. The results of GB doesn't excuse the incessant taunting and smearing that everyone has to endure here. PS : And now we are back into a pointless debate ... It's like I'm fucking preaching in the wind. What I say also applies to the French who are trying to pick up fights !
All you're doing is taking out of context international friendly rivalries.
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On August 07 2012 03:56 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:12 revel8 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:07 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:01 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- Don't trouble the joy of the Brits. Since they are winning everything; sometimes greatly, sometimes strangely, sometimes unfairly, they think they are allowed to behave like obnoxious little pricks. And after being abrasive they will report you. This isn't a Olympic Thread anymore, it's a "GB is winning and the rest of the world can go fist themselves" thread. But the worst in this pathetic showing, is that some of GB athletes are completely forgotten despite being way more respectable than those highlighted today. Like the Men's Handball Team who is a bunch a semi-pros playing at their best against everyone. A sight to behold but some people prefer shinies over personal accomplishment. How are you enjoying these olympics Otolia? Please point out our unfair golds if you dont mind too. I'm enjoying these Olympics despite some dubious events (in Badminton, the judoka etc etc). I have no interest in blaming athletes but I am pointing out the poor behavior of all Brits in this thread these last 3 or 4 days. Still waiting for my apology. I didn't see it until you mentioned it. I apologize. My points still stands though. The results of GB doesn't excuse the incessant taunting and smearing that everyone has to endure here. PS : And now we are back into a pointless debate ... It's like I'm fucking preaching in the wind. What I say also applies to the French who are trying to pick up fights !
Good to see you are a man of honour.
I agree that posters in this thread should remember that the Olympics is about mutual respect for all nations and competitors and is supposed to celebrate sporting achievements. It should not bring out the worst in people, but the best in us.
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On August 07 2012 03:56 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:12 revel8 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:07 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:01 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- Don't trouble the joy of the Brits. Since they are winning everything; sometimes greatly, sometimes strangely, sometimes unfairly, they think they are allowed to behave like obnoxious little pricks. And after being abrasive they will report you. This isn't a Olympic Thread anymore, it's a "GB is winning and the rest of the world can go fist themselves" thread. But the worst in this pathetic showing, is that some of GB athletes are completely forgotten despite being way more respectable than those highlighted today. Like the Men's Handball Team who is a bunch a semi-pros playing at their best against everyone. A sight to behold but some people prefer shinies over personal accomplishment. How are you enjoying these olympics Otolia? Please point out our unfair golds if you dont mind too. I'm enjoying these Olympics despite some dubious events (in Badminton, the judoka etc etc). I have no interest in blaming athletes but I am pointing out the poor behavior of all Brits in this thread these last 3 or 4 days. Still waiting for my apology. I didn't see it until you mentioned it. I apologize. My points still stands though. The results of GB doesn't excuse the incessant taunting and smearing that everyone has to endure here. PS : And now we are back into a pointless debate ... It's like I'm fucking preaching in the wind. What I say also applies to the French who are trying to pick up fights !
I think you're overreacting a bit, it's just harmless banter.
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On August 07 2012 04:03 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:56 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:12 revel8 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:07 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:01 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- Don't trouble the joy of the Brits. Since they are winning everything; sometimes greatly, sometimes strangely, sometimes unfairly, they think they are allowed to behave like obnoxious little pricks. And after being abrasive they will report you. This isn't a Olympic Thread anymore, it's a "GB is winning and the rest of the world can go fist themselves" thread. But the worst in this pathetic showing, is that some of GB athletes are completely forgotten despite being way more respectable than those highlighted today. Like the Men's Handball Team who is a bunch a semi-pros playing at their best against everyone. A sight to behold but some people prefer shinies over personal accomplishment. How are you enjoying these olympics Otolia? Please point out our unfair golds if you dont mind too. I'm enjoying these Olympics despite some dubious events (in Badminton, the judoka etc etc). I have no interest in blaming athletes but I am pointing out the poor behavior of all Brits in this thread these last 3 or 4 days. Still waiting for my apology. I didn't see it until you mentioned it. I apologize. My points still stands though. The results of GB doesn't excuse the incessant taunting and smearing that everyone has to endure here. PS : And now we are back into a pointless debate ... It's like I'm fucking preaching in the wind. What I say also applies to the French who are trying to pick up fights ! I think you're overreacting a bit, it's just harmless banter.
Discussing the awesome run of Usain Bolt is harmless banter. Saying that leading the Sky team is a bad thing isn't harmless. It awakens nationalistic feelings and it's bad for everyone.
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What will happen if the brittish and the french stop taunting each other? That could be the cause for 2012 !
We've always been rivals, it's nothing new. We've also, for quite a few generations now, always been friends, so cheer up !
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That female shot put winner looks a hell of a lot like a man. If you look at the head itself O.O
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Jason Kenny.. yeah right....
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On August 07 2012 03:46 Robson13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:42 sAsImre wrote:On August 07 2012 03:36 Aristodemus wrote:
Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital. Leading sky isn't something to be proud of on the tour... same for europcar... Yes being the head of team sky and British cycling is something to be proud of
being the head of a team in which everyone overperformed on the tour always mean that there is internal doping in the team It has historically been the case (US Postal, Festina, Astana ect...). . That doesn't mean everyone is doped but a huge chunk of the guys on the team are doped, and when everyone on both europcar and sky presents the external symptom of Aicar...
both europcar and sky will have some serious doping case coming in the next decade.
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On August 07 2012 04:32 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:46 Robson13 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:42 sAsImre wrote:On August 07 2012 03:36 Aristodemus wrote:
Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital. Leading sky isn't something to be proud of on the tour... same for europcar... Yes being the head of team sky and British cycling is something to be proud of being the head of a team in which everyone overperformed on the tour always mean that there is internal doping in the team It has historically been the case (US Postal, Festina, Astana ect...). . That doesn't mean everyone is doped but a huge chunk of the guys on the team are doped, and when everyone on both europcar and sky presents the external symptom of Aicar... both europcar and sky will have some serious doping case coming in the next decade.
OK, so you just assume that everyboddy who does well is doping
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On August 07 2012 04:09 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 04:03 AxionSteel wrote:On August 07 2012 03:56 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:12 revel8 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:07 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 03:01 Aristodemus wrote:On August 07 2012 02:58 Otolia wrote:On August 07 2012 02:50 RvB wrote:On August 07 2012 02:19 Trok67 wrote:On August 07 2012 02:13 Aristodemus wrote:
JASON KENNY!!!!! Boltons finest and a perfect time for my 1500th post. Take that Frenchie!!!!!! take what ? You know, the olympics are about athletes competing and not about a "war" between nations for some kind of nationalism pride... Was expecting this kind of nationalism mentality from chinese, north korean or former USSR guys but not from GB... gg to kenny he was the best. Go watch BBC they only care about the Brits anything else doesn't matter. It's getting rather annoying -.- Don't trouble the joy of the Brits. Since they are winning everything; sometimes greatly, sometimes strangely, sometimes unfairly, they think they are allowed to behave like obnoxious little pricks. And after being abrasive they will report you. This isn't a Olympic Thread anymore, it's a "GB is winning and the rest of the world can go fist themselves" thread. But the worst in this pathetic showing, is that some of GB athletes are completely forgotten despite being way more respectable than those highlighted today. Like the Men's Handball Team who is a bunch a semi-pros playing at their best against everyone. A sight to behold but some people prefer shinies over personal accomplishment. How are you enjoying these olympics Otolia? Please point out our unfair golds if you dont mind too. I'm enjoying these Olympics despite some dubious events (in Badminton, the judoka etc etc). I have no interest in blaming athletes but I am pointing out the poor behavior of all Brits in this thread these last 3 or 4 days. Still waiting for my apology. I didn't see it until you mentioned it. I apologize. My points still stands though. The results of GB doesn't excuse the incessant taunting and smearing that everyone has to endure here. PS : And now we are back into a pointless debate ... It's like I'm fucking preaching in the wind. What I say also applies to the French who are trying to pick up fights ! I think you're overreacting a bit, it's just harmless banter. Discussing the awesome run of Usain Bolt is harmless banter. Saying that leading the Sky team is a bad thing isn't harmless. It awakens nationalistic feelings and it's bad for everyone.
Nah...Discussing the awesome run of Usain Bolt is discussing the awesome run of Usain Bolt. "Take that Frenchie!" is banter. Of course It could be cultural and it seems that the French in this thread are a bit defensive where as Australians and Brits have been doing this back and forth for hundreds of years. It means nothing. However we can't have people getting angry so I suppose the baiting should stop!!
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On August 07 2012 04:35 Robson13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 04:32 sAsImre wrote:On August 07 2012 03:46 Robson13 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:42 sAsImre wrote:On August 07 2012 03:36 Aristodemus wrote:
Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital. Leading sky isn't something to be proud of on the tour... same for europcar... Yes being the head of team sky and British cycling is something to be proud of being the head of a team in which everyone overperformed on the tour always mean that there is internal doping in the team It has historically been the case (US Postal, Festina, Astana ect...). . That doesn't mean everyone is doped but a huge chunk of the guys on the team are doped, and when everyone on both europcar and sky presents the external symptom of Aicar... both europcar and sky will have some serious doping case coming in the next decade. OK, so you just assume that everyboddy who does well is doping
It's cycling ...
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On August 07 2012 04:32 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:46 Robson13 wrote:On August 07 2012 03:42 sAsImre wrote:On August 07 2012 03:36 Aristodemus wrote:
Trok67 you are implying that GB are winning due to the bikes they use? Regulations mean any rider can use any bike in the competition with a limited fee. Pointless to debate what makes sense?
Preperation is key and head coach Dave Brailsford sets up individual training programmes for each athlete. They set it up to peak at the olympics. I dont think other nations dont prepare or train hard its just that I think his methods and results have to be appreciated. This is the guy who also leads team sky for the tour. London was being focused on before Beijing, athletic success was vital. Leading sky isn't something to be proud of on the tour... same for europcar... Yes being the head of team sky and British cycling is something to be proud of being the head of a team in which everyone overperformed on the tour always mean that there is internal doping in the team It has historically been the case (US Postal, Festina, Astana ect...). . That doesn't mean everyone is doped but a huge chunk of the guys on the team are doped, and when everyone on both europcar and sky presents the external symptom of Aicar... both europcar and sky will have some serious doping case coming in the next decade.
How bitter you sound. Wow GB won, they must be cheating lol.
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