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2012 Olympics Event Discussion Thread - Page 228

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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
August 06 2012 20:19 GMT
#4541
Hand ball in penalty???
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 06 2012 20:19 GMT
#4542
Rofl, USA get the call, so typical
topherthetoad
Profile Joined September 2008
China130 Posts
August 06 2012 20:20 GMT
#4543
SICK PK
topherthetoad
Profile Joined September 2008
China130 Posts
August 06 2012 20:22 GMT
#4544
ahaha this Rapinoe chick has a huge foot
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 06 2012 20:36 GMT
#4545
Man Felix Sanchez's medal ceremony. So emotional.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 06 2012 20:39 GMT
#4546
isinbaeva 3rd wtf? i tought she was performing better and stopped her slump.
Zest fanboy.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
August 06 2012 20:54 GMT
#4547
On August 07 2012 05:06 DwD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 04:58 sAsImre wrote:
On August 07 2012 04:57 DwD wrote:
Haha Sweden got a bronze in wrestling.. Gotta say that has to be the most bullshit sport ever? They only score a point when they defend by just laying on the mat. So when it's time for the 3:rd and final round the referee picks a ball(LOL!) which contains a colour either red or blue which decides which guy gets to defend and auto-win. SO FUNNY!


i think it's a little bit more complex but i've not seen a fight where someone scored before the ground thingy. if someone could enlight us because what i've seen is just Judo in way worse :D



Haha yeah I saw 1 match where someone managed to push the other one out of the mat, not sure if he was awarded a point or whatever but still. You could see the swedish coach just being super happy that our guy got to defend lol. Can't imagine that the guy who came up with these rules thought it was a good idea lol

It probably was a good idea at the time. I think the athletes has simply grown too good at it to make it fair. Reminds me of overtime in american football...

The thing seems to be too short rounds and the attacker having too much of an advantage in the last 30 seconds. It is too bad for wrestling since it truely makes the sport seem like a lottery instead of something worth watching.
I really think that wrestling looks interesting, but the format is killing it and like judo it really truely needs to happen over at least 2 days. 4 matches of judo in a matter of hours made the competitors look like zombies in the last match. Timewise it would not seem to be much of a problem since you can alternate judo, wrestling and taekwondo (they are the events happening at the same kind of arenas).

With that being said: Remove BMX (expensive field with no other use and just too small a sport to supprt it), syncronized diving (seems excessive to have those 4 events when the sport is so specialised and dominated by competitors from normal diving...), dressage (the rest of the horsies can be tolerated) and artistic gymnastics. Put in sportsdancing (I do not like dancing and I do not want to watch it, but a multisex event instead of a female only like artistic gymnastics seems like a good deal in all possible ways), roller sports (triathlon, marathon, road cycling all use the same kinds of arena. Should be cheap and it is worth watching imo.) and probably one of the unused martial arts (Karate, Wushu) or another prime candidate (some form of orientiering since GPS is rectifying a lot of the problems with coverage to a television friendly level, cricket since it is a very big sport in some countries, squash since it is an international high level sport).
Repeat before me
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 21:02:52
August 06 2012 20:59 GMT
#4548
On August 07 2012 05:54 radiatoren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 05:06 DwD wrote:
On August 07 2012 04:58 sAsImre wrote:
On August 07 2012 04:57 DwD wrote:
Haha Sweden got a bronze in wrestling.. Gotta say that has to be the most bullshit sport ever? They only score a point when they defend by just laying on the mat. So when it's time for the 3:rd and final round the referee picks a ball(LOL!) which contains a colour either red or blue which decides which guy gets to defend and auto-win. SO FUNNY!


i think it's a little bit more complex but i've not seen a fight where someone scored before the ground thingy. if someone could enlight us because what i've seen is just Judo in way worse :D



Haha yeah I saw 1 match where someone managed to push the other one out of the mat, not sure if he was awarded a point or whatever but still. You could see the swedish coach just being super happy that our guy got to defend lol. Can't imagine that the guy who came up with these rules thought it was a good idea lol

It probably was a good idea at the time. I think the athletes has simply grown too good at it to make it fair. Reminds me of overtime in american football...

The thing seems to be too short rounds and the attacker having too much of an advantage in the last 30 seconds. It is too bad for wrestling since it truely makes the sport seem like a lottery instead of something worth watching.
I really think that wrestling looks interesting, but the format is killing it and like judo it really truely needs to happen over at least 2 days. 4 matches of judo in a matter of hours made the competitors look like zombies in the last match. Timewise it would not seem to be much of a problem since you can alternate judo, wrestling and taekwondo (they are the events happening at the same kind of arenas).

With that being said: Remove BMX (expensive field with no other use and just too small a sport to supprt it), syncronized diving (seems excessive to have those 4 events when the sport is so specialised and dominated by competitors from normal diving...), dressage (the rest of the horsies can be tolerated) and artistic gymnastics. Put in sportsdancing (I do not like dancing and I do not want to watch it, but a multisex event instead of a female only like artistic gymnastics seems like a good deal in all possible ways), roller sports (triathlon, marathon, road cycling all use the same kinds of arena. Should be cheap and it is worth watching imo.) and probably one of the unused martial arts (Karate, Wushu) or another prime candidate (some form of orientiering since GPS is rectifying a lot of the problems with coverage to a television friendly level, cricket since it is a very big sport in some countries, squash since it is an international high level sport).


it's not going to change for judo for a few reasons:
1. it's a motherfucking conservative sport.
2. stamina is a really big thing and you totally kill it if you've 2/3 fights only per day. It really rewards the best who are able to get short fights in their earlier rounds.
3. When the judo euro/japanese/worlds championship happen you can't really use your schedule idea except if you want to mix the categories but it'd be a terrible experience spectator wise.

and I'd personnaly remove those sports where the olympics are a minor event like Tennis, football etc...
Zest fanboy.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
August 06 2012 20:59 GMT
#4549
About boxing (not sure if I have to spoiler so I do)
+ Show Spoiler +

Did anybody watch the boxing match Härtel vs Ogogo? I'm far from a patriot as seen in the soccer european championship but for an ordinary person the scores of round 1 and 2 seemed... inaccurate. In the last round I would agree that Ogogo was better but the final score of 15:10 was to big of a difference to my understanding
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
August 06 2012 21:00 GMT
#4550
Brits doing pretty well in Boxing, 3 more medals guaranteed now.

It will be surprising to me if the USA don't make the Final of Womens Football.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 06 2012 21:00 GMT
#4551
On August 07 2012 05:59 smr wrote:
About boxing (not sure if I have to spoiler so I do)
+ Show Spoiler +

Did anybody watch the boxing match Härtel vs Ogogo? I'm far from a patriot as seen in the soccer european championship but for an ordinary person the scores of round 1 and 2 seemed... inaccurate. In the last round I would agree that Ogogo was better but the final score of 15:10 was to big of a difference to my understanding


boxing and the olympics, fairly standard. maybe the sport which has the most controversies.
Zest fanboy.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
August 06 2012 21:04 GMT
#4552
As it turns out, I absolutely love watching Volleyball and Beach Volleyball.
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 06 2012 21:04 GMT
#4553
On August 07 2012 06:04 LittLeD wrote:
As it turns out, I absolutely love watching Volleyball and Beach Volleyball.


action packed sports and it's simple to understand what's going on
Zest fanboy.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 06 2012 21:17 GMT
#4554
On August 07 2012 05:59 smr wrote:
About boxing (not sure if I have to spoiler so I do)
+ Show Spoiler +

Did anybody watch the boxing match Härtel vs Ogogo? I'm far from a patriot as seen in the soccer european championship but for an ordinary person the scores of round 1 and 2 seemed... inaccurate. In the last round I would agree that Ogogo was better but the final score of 15:10 was to big of a difference to my understanding

BW bias obviously !
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 06 2012 21:49 GMT
#4555
Yes! Our beachvolleyballers really deserved this. At least this days ends with good news.
Trok67
Profile Joined May 2010
France384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 22:12:44
August 06 2012 22:06 GMT
#4556
well, as expected, Spain lost intentionaly against Brasil to avoid USA in semi final... They dominated the game til the 4th quarter when they droped it, to the point they took 17-3 in the last 6 minutes and lost the match. we will see what will the olympic commity do but I guess it's harder to ban Spain in basket than it is to ban China/S.Korea in badminton...
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-06 22:22:39
August 06 2012 22:22 GMT
#4557
Hmm I guess they should try to come up with a better tournament format so these situations never occur where teams want to lose to have a better chance at a better medal.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
August 06 2012 23:33 GMT
#4558
On August 07 2012 07:22 sinii wrote:
Hmm I guess they should try to come up with a better tournament format so these situations never occur where teams want to lose to have a better chance at a better medal.

Never is just reven spelled backwards. There is always a tradeoff when trying to eliminate the incentive to loose. You can run a double elimination format or triple elimination, repeche matches etc. All of these formats are problematic because of the value of seeds and the lack of games for the lesser teams. Any group play format can do something: Semi-random draw of opponents in the round after group stage is one part, stacked matches are another, but none of them eliminates the possibility of speculating in future opponents without adding large amounts of randomness to the situation.
Repeat before me
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 06 2012 23:38 GMT
#4559
On August 07 2012 08:33 radiatoren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2012 07:22 sinii wrote:
Hmm I guess they should try to come up with a better tournament format so these situations never occur where teams want to lose to have a better chance at a better medal.

Never is just reven spelled backwards. There is always a tradeoff when trying to eliminate the incentive to loose. You can run a double elimination format or triple elimination, repeche matches etc. All of these formats are problematic because of the value of seeds and the lack of games for the lesser teams. Any group play format can do something: Semi-random draw of opponents in the round after group stage is one part, stacked matches are another, but none of them eliminates the possibility of speculating in future opponents without adding large amounts of randomness to the situation.


Yeah I have to agree, atleast as far as Olympic basketball is concerned theres really no format aside from a double elim knockout (which isnt really fair to smaller teams), to hold teams getting matched up according to seeds.

You absolutely need to have a league based qualification format and as such what radiatoren is saying is correct. You really cant avoid it.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 07 2012 04:23 GMT
#4560
anyone find it almost impossible to understand some of the british accents when they are interviewing british athletes lol. i was watching some interviews the other day and the whole time i was like .... wait wat
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