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Sent. Poland9195 Posts February 10 2019 21:15 GMT #201 What happened to Huni lmao

lilwisper United States2515 Posts February 10 2019 21:32 GMT #202 On February 11 2019 06:15 Sent. wrote: What happened to Huni lmao Arthritis in his back maybe?

Pantagruel United States1427 Posts February 10 2019 21:58 GMT #203 Let’s not let Sneaky have Ezreal again please. He is just too nasty on that champ.

Jek Denmark2771 Posts February 10 2019 23:13 GMT #204 When is Riot going to nerf Aftershock and most importantly Urgot? -.-

Numy South Africa35471 Posts February 10 2019 23:23 GMT #205 NA has a crippling addiction with contesting Dragons. This game is peak NA.

JimmiC Canada22817 Posts February 10 2019 23:47 GMT #206 --- Nuked ---

Jek Denmark2771 Posts February 10 2019 23:51 GMT #207 I love watching lategame Karthus. :D

starkiller123 United States4030 Posts February 10 2019 23:52 GMT #208 this game was ridiculous lol

Numy South Africa35471 Posts February 10 2019 23:53 GMT #209 Froggen is the ultimate TSM counter. You know they won't try win mid game so you can just farm to late game and beat them easy.

JimmiC Canada22817 Posts February 10 2019 23:53 GMT #210 --- Nuked ---

starkiller123 United States4030 Posts February 11 2019 00:07 GMT #211 On February 11 2019 08:53 JimmiC wrote: basically there is TL then C9 then everyone else. honestly I'm not sure of C9 either at this point, they look okayish

Jek Denmark2771 Posts February 11 2019 00:23 GMT #212 Aphro.....

Numy South Africa35471 Posts February 11 2019 00:50 GMT #213 Why does NA suddenly like Orn top?

loSleb Austria1389 Posts February 11 2019 01:00 GMT #214 They heard Fnatic is the best European team and looked at their picks.

Urthor Australia23 Posts February 11 2019 02:24 GMT #215 TSM would have won that game without Karthus. Like they had the turret plates looking back. Honestly if a team in NA consistently smashes turrets down like TSM did and then doesn't go full monkey they are definitely in it to win it, TSM could pick themselves back up and work hard in order to make it to post season and be embarrassed by TL in a best of 5

Uldridge Belgium4768 Posts February 11 2019 11:22 GMT #216 Honestly I haven't seen Bjergsen perform like he did yesterday for so, so long. However, the team he was playing with was crafting such bad plays in the other parts of the game that it doesn't matter. You should NEVER be able to do ~6k damage with a Lissandra. That's just insane. The fact that you can't decidedly win a game when your Lissandra is popping the fuck off you know there are huge issues you need to deal with.

Gahlo United States35145 Posts February 11 2019 12:18 GMT #217 Broken Blade has been basically invisible when they've put him on Urgot(I can think of at least 2-3 times when he's in the process of pulling somebody in with ult and dies before it can kill them) and Akkadian has been exceedingly lackluster in general. What I don't understand is how TSM can come out of early games with turret/plating/kill leads and not have a sizeable advantage. The largest lead they had in that game was 2.1k.

Numy South Africa35471 Posts February 11 2019 14:06 GMT #218 We were speaking about this in discord yesterday. My feelings are that TSM has this problem of external pressure. Essentially in the early game the team has a set plan they know how to execute and what everyone should be doing. You can see them work together to secure objectives or make plays. The midgame comes and suddenly they seem lost. This isn't a new problem, TSM has never really known how to play actively past early game. When I watch them I get the sense that the players have decision paralysis in that they don't want to play a big move in case it backfires. The team lacks the trust you see from truly great teams where members go for the play knowing their teammates are right behind them. It's a free for all with everyone waiting for the other to make a move. An easy example to look at is Bjergsen and Akaadian in that game. Bjerg did a lot of good plays, even great ones early. Hit mid game though he became increasingly passive not going for plays we see other Lissandras like Huhi pull off just a day before. That top fight in the jungle was a great example of this. He has an opportunity to make a big play going over the wall into 4 members but instead chooses to sit around fighting Froggen, eventually leaving him alive on almost no HP while Bjergsen still has flash to get the kill. He just walks away, ultimately not risking a big play for his team. He did have other moments where he got good engages but with the team comp they had they really had to push the momentum a lot earlier even if it was 100% risk free. Akaadian was the same, he didn't go for this big plays we see C9 Sven do over the weekend. After early game they just don't know how to start a fight because they all too afraid to actually work as a team to start a fight. Compare this to Griffin. We see them even from disadvantaged positions starting insane fights that look like complete throws from individual member's. However, that player knows he merely had to start an engagement at that moment to buy time for his team to get there and win the fight. They don't care how ugly it looks. If it's the right time to fight they will do anything in their power to start that fight and win the game. IG last works was exactly the same. Each member completely trusting the other, sacrificing for the team or each other if it was the best play. This isn't just a TSM issue though, NA in general has no real idea how to start or when to start fights. TL and the rest of NA almost always contest drakes like madmen even if it's a good idea to give it up, just TL hardly gets punished locally. We saw what happened when that mindset got taken to Worlds though. I know I give Bjergsen a lot of shit but that's coming from a good place. I think he can be a truly great player. Part of being a truly great player is being able to know when you just got to say fk it and go in. Now he was by no means the main issue with TSM, in fact he had a pretty good game relative to his teammates. Expectations are just a lot higher for me in his ability.

chipmonklord17 United States11944 Posts February 11 2019 22:19 GMT #219 What interests me the most about TSM is what do they do from here? What happens when your "win at all costs" and "first or last" identity is out of your grasp? They already cast aside the "Fuck it, Baylife" identity by kicking everyone who wasn't serious, so what do you do for an identity now? How long before the scene at large adds them to the bucket of teams that get meme'ed on when they say their goal is to win the whole thing?

Gahlo United States35145 Posts February 11 2019 23:00 GMT #220 They've always been memed on for their goal.

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