Group Stage Double Round Robin Each team plays 18 matches. All matches are Bo1 Top 6 qualifies to the Summer Playoffs Top 2 teams are seeded into Semifinals Remaining 4 teams are seeded into Quarterfinals 1st place team from Group Stage will select their opponent from Quarterfinals 2nd place team from Group Stage will face the remaining team from Quarterfinals Playoffs Single Elimination Bo5 Winner Qualifies for MSI 2019
On January 04 2019 03:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait they changed format from the "double seeding" of the quarters then semis to a "person in the semis picks their opponent"? Kinda lame imo
The NA LCS returns on the 26th of January. Here's some of the biggest news in the offseason.
- After rumours that teams would be selling their slots, the original 10 teams from franchising return for another year. - The transfer market for NA was hectic with some of the biggest transfers including TL signing Jensen and CoreJJ as well as the 100 Thieves signing of Bang. Here are the rosters as they stand:
On January 04 2019 03:59 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait they changed format from the "double seeding" of the quarters then semis to a "person in the semis picks their opponent"? Kinda lame imo
For me the most interesting roster move in NA this season is Broken Blade. He is this talented soloQ star with an attitude that does not seem too fit at all with TSM's philosophy. I am very curious if this actually works out. At leas the meta fits him well, but this can all change of course.
Can't say I'm super impressed by any roster on paper but there's a lot of time in the year to improve. TL not getting a top lane sub when they picked up Jensen made me pretty disappointed. TSM not getting a jungler and instead getting Broken Blade is an odd move. I'm not a fan of Grig but we'll see how it works out. I enjoyed Akaadian but he hasn't really broken out into a solid player just yet.
In general the roster changes in NA dont look that impressive.
Looking at EU, they have added a lot of rookies that are almost all doing really well while the older players are struggling. So overall the teams definitely have improved. Same is even more true with Korea.
And NA looks mostly like reshuffling and sidegrading. And there are like 4 good Koreans that have been added to the league but it seems like less improvement than in the other leagues.
On January 27 2019 07:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad at least Jensen will admit that game was sloppy even if the broadcast team wants to suck their dicks
On January 27 2019 07:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad at least Jensen will admit that game was sloppy even if the broadcast team wants to suck their dicks
I mean what else is new? lol
I expected the broadcast to wait more than a single game to suck them off. Like they looked good don't get me wrong, but that wasn't nearly as dominant as just the audio would let you believe
2nd game is a lot more interesting imo, I think even if TL somehow lost most people would still think TL was the better team. Where TSM vs 100T will tell us a lot about the team strengths
On January 27 2019 07:58 Slusher wrote: 2nd game is a lot more interesting imo, I think even if TL somehow lost most people would still think TL was the better team. Where TSM vs 100T will tell us a lot about the team strengths
I just really want to see how well Bang comes in for 100T. They are now my second team I like to root for.
On January 27 2019 08:22 starkiller123 wrote: which league has been everyones favorite to watch so far this year?
League of Lehends by far
yeah LCK has been so strange and fun to watch this season, I've watched maybe 3 series from LPL and then all the G2 games in LEC have been really fun so far
On January 27 2019 09:07 starkiller123 wrote: man CLG really should have tried harder to get an upgrade for Darshan, I don't see this lineup making playoffs
Same. Don't get how he's still on the team, they didn't even get a good sub at least.
On January 27 2019 09:07 starkiller123 wrote: man CLG really should have tried harder to get an upgrade for Darshan, I don't see this lineup making playoffs
Same. Don't get how he's still on the team, they didn't even get a good sub at least.
He was playing on Academy and playing like trash as well. I don't expect much. But...I mean...Optic is playing their entire academy roster bar one so...
On January 27 2019 09:07 starkiller123 wrote: man CLG really should have tried harder to get an upgrade for Darshan, I don't see this lineup making playoffs
Same. Don't get how he's still on the team, they didn't even get a good sub at least.
He’s literally on the team because Flame asked for too much money
On January 27 2019 09:07 starkiller123 wrote: man CLG really should have tried harder to get an upgrade for Darshan, I don't see this lineup making playoffs
Same. Don't get how he's still on the team, they didn't even get a good sub at least.
He’s literally on the team because Flame asked for too much money
its too bad it didn't work out, I think the team would have been much better with Flame but we will see I guess. Maybe they will prove me wrong
It's a solo Q thing. To try smash lane and carry. It doesn't seem like a good idea in pro play at all. Doubt Darshan is close to Chovy level Akali anyway.
On January 27 2019 09:26 Numy wrote: It's a solo Q thing. To try smash lane and carry. It doesn't seem like a good idea in pro play at all. Doubt Darshan is close to Chovy level Akali anyway.
and even with ignite idk how much kill pressure Akali really has on Urgot
On January 27 2019 09:26 Numy wrote: It's a solo Q thing. To try smash lane and carry. It doesn't seem like a good idea in pro play at all. Doubt Darshan is close to Chovy level Akali anyway.
and even with ignite idk how much kill pressure Akali really has on Urgot
I don't see any kill pressure he has on anyone save for maybe Leona?
On January 27 2019 09:44 Numy wrote: CLG may just be worst team across both LEC and LCS. I'm confused why they seem to have absolutely zero funds to get any good players.
to be fair I do actually think POE and Biofrost are legitimately good players
The problem I have with PoE is he has a tendency to get into his own bubble too much. Like this game picking Xerath. That's just a retarded idea against the team they playing. He just has to always be too cute instead of taking a backseat and doing what's more stable. Bio is pretty good but Stixxay is so awful it kind of makes him irrelevant.
I thought maybe even this CLG could beat Optic Academy but nope. Another pathetic year for CLG.
On January 27 2019 09:58 Numy wrote: The problem I have with PoE is he has a tendency to get into his own bubble too much. Like this game picking Xerath. That's just a retarded idea against the team they playing. He just has to always be too cute instead of taking a backseat and doing what's more stable. Bio is pretty good but Stixxay is so awful it kind of makes him irrelevant.
yeah I agree completely, I'm not sure where the Stixxay hype is coming from but he looks boosted
On January 27 2019 09:58 Numy wrote: The problem I have with PoE is he has a tendency to get into his own bubble too much. Like this game picking Xerath. That's just a retarded idea against the team they playing. He just has to always be too cute instead of taking a backseat and doing what's more stable. Bio is pretty good but Stixxay is so awful it kind of makes him irrelevant.
yeah I agree completely, I'm not sure where the Stixxay hype is coming from but he looks boosted
Ghosts of Christmas Past maybe? He did look beastly once upon a time.
On January 27 2019 09:58 Numy wrote: The problem I have with PoE is he has a tendency to get into his own bubble too much. Like this game picking Xerath. That's just a retarded idea against the team they playing. He just has to always be too cute instead of taking a backseat and doing what's more stable. Bio is pretty good but Stixxay is so awful it kind of makes him irrelevant.
yeah I agree completely, I'm not sure where the Stixxay hype is coming from but he looks boosted
Ghosts of Christmas Past maybe? He did look beastly once upon a time.
Honestly people are super underrating Optic as well, when they do get their full roster that is. Sure Dhokla is kinda trashcan tier, but Meteos/Crown/Arrow should be a core that can contest with anyone but the top of the top in NA
On January 27 2019 10:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: Honestly people are super underrating Optic as well, when they do get their full roster that is. Sure Dhokla is kinda trashcan tier, but Meteos/Crown/Arrow should be a core that can contest with anyone but the top of the top in NA
as long as Arrow doesn't fall way behind in lane like he did almost every game last year
On January 27 2019 10:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: Honestly people are super underrating Optic as well, when they do get their full roster that is. Sure Dhokla is kinda trashcan tier, but Meteos/Crown/Arrow should be a core that can contest with anyone but the top of the top in NA
as long as Arrow doesn't fall way behind in lane like he did almost every game last year
True, but I'd like to believe that was just a fluky year
On January 27 2019 10:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: Honestly people are super underrating Optic as well, when they do get their full roster that is. Sure Dhokla is kinda trashcan tier, but Meteos/Crown/Arrow should be a core that can contest with anyone but the top of the top in NA
as long as Arrow doesn't fall way behind in lane like he did almost every game last year
True, but I'd like to believe that was just a fluky year
its definitely possible, I'm hoping they do well this year
On January 27 2019 11:48 chipmonklord17 wrote: I feel like you're trading 3 really low variance, playoff serviceable NA players for one fluky, streaky high variance import
I think every team needs a player who can be a big carry potential, even if there are times were they int their face off.
I think on a five player roster with all the solid replacement level talent like LoL has, getting the better play in Huni is a win over having Apollo / Hakuho / Solo.
On January 27 2019 11:43 JimmiC wrote: In Basketball, the closest sport I can compare (based purely on its 5 per side LOL) who ever gets the best player wins the trade. Reason being is the drop off from the others isn't as big as what a star can do.
But we should ask our Echo Fox expert Gahlo his take.
Didn't watch the game, went to bed shortly after champ select.
Huni is an overrated tilt-a-whirl. He's garbage in NA, got carried by Faker in Korea, and hasn't done anything since he was in EU. He's a giant trap for any team that wants to compete unless he's their 3rd best player.
Hakuho is probably the only person in that trade I'd try to fit on a team, but he's a role player. I like Apollo more than he's worth.
In the end, Echo Frauds ended up on the better side of the deal by dumping Huni's salary and getting that albatross off their neck.
On January 27 2019 11:43 JimmiC wrote: In Basketball, the closest sport I can compare (based purely on its 5 per side LOL) who ever gets the best player wins the trade. Reason being is the drop off from the others isn't as big as what a star can do.
But we should ask our Echo Fox expert Gahlo his take.
Didn't watch the game, went to bed shortly after champ select.
Huni is an overrated tilt-a-whirl. He's garbage in NA, got carried by Faker in Korea, and hasn't done anything since he was in EU. He's a giant trap for any team that wants to compete unless he's their 3rd best player.
Hakuho is probably the only person in that trade I'd try to fit on a team, but he's a role player. I like Apollo more than he's worth.
In the end, Echo Frauds ended up on the better side of the deal by dumping Huni's salary and getting that albatross off their neck.
On January 28 2019 05:59 JimmiC wrote: Well now that Flyquest is determined to be the best team in the LCS knocking off another undefeated it is time to find out what team is the worst with a battle of 2 winless squads.
I'm really confused why they used Darshan/Moon for the game against the easy team and now FB/Wiggly vs TL. Seems like a complete waste of time not getting match experience for Wiggly.
I really hate this PR "10 man roster" bullshit crap teams love talking about. There's a reason the very best teams in the world don't have "10 man rosters". It's rubbish, you'll always have a core of better players you want to build synergy with instead of changing shit all the time.
Generally I agree, 10 man rosters mean that players get each less play time, have less synergy etc.
But in the beginning it probably makes some sense, just to find out who your best players are that you want to use permanently for the rest of the split or season.
On January 28 2019 07:20 Numy wrote: I'm really confused why they used Darshan/Moon for the game against the easy team and now FB/Wiggly vs TL. Seems like a complete waste of time not getting match experience for Wiggly.
I really hate this PR "10 man roster" bullshit crap teams love talking about. There's a reason the very best teams in the world don't have "10 man rosters". It's rubbish, you'll always have a core of better players you want to build synergy with instead of changing shit all the time.
M I N D G A M E S W E L D O N
on a more serious note this team is just bad and they should probably start their youngest player at every role every game because maybe they can discover someone while cruising to 9th(I still have hope for flyquest)
TSM really tried hard to lose that. Good to know nothing has changed with the teams overall gameplan of "hit midgame then proceed to do nothing".
I'd have to rewatch the game but I have the feeling that Bjerg just plays urgot like a utility mage. I can't recall him ever being in position that urgot wants to be in. TSM refuse to actually take risks to use their lead
On February 04 2019 05:45 starkiller123 wrote: I'm so ready for GGS getting 10th 3 splits in a row
Is that in the region of getting kicked? I forget the number until Riot can kick you if they want.
The rule is "finish 9th or 10th 5 times in 8 splits (4 years). So they need to get two more to be kicked assuming they come 9th or 10th this year, ofc.
Man this obs annoys me so much, the casters criticize the effectiveness because of MR levels currently in the game, and the OBS keeps Sivir's profile clicked for the next full 2 min.. when he finally does click a melee 2 min later they are above the MR threshhold mentioned (spoiler:any melee would be and they have a 4 melee team so the void staff callout is just factually wrong) but the point had been lost on people who don't know better by that point.
you an make the argument going pure damage over utility is bad, but making the argument Void into a 4 melee team won't be the max damage item will almost never be true
On February 04 2019 07:42 Slusher wrote: Man this obs annoys me so much, the casters criticize the effectiveness because of MR levels currently in the game, and the OBS keeps Sivir's profile clicked for the next full 2 min.. when he finally does click a melee 2 min later they are above the MR threshhold mentioned (spoiler:any melee would be and they have a 4 melee team so the void staff callout is just factually wrong) but the point had been lost on people who don't know better by that point.
you an make the argument going pure damage over utility is bad, but making the argument Void into a 4 melee team won't be the max damage item will almost never be true
AFAIK the casters have their own PC and can freely click on things, or at least that's how it used to be. So they technically could have checked.
OBS are consistantly trash with changing who is in the focus frame, regardless of region. It's actually the worst part of the pro-viewing experience imo.
On February 04 2019 07:54 starkiller123 wrote: NA has had such mind numbingly boring games this split dear god
I think it's mostly just due to the level of play being really low. Teams aren't really coordinated or even in sync enough to make plays that aren't super obvious. So you get these long boring games where neither team really does much.
NA casters and analysts really should hold their league to higher standards than this. They have so much money and seemingly do put in the practice so what is going on.
On February 04 2019 07:54 starkiller123 wrote: NA has had such mind numbingly boring games this split dear god
I think it's mostly just due to the level of play being really low. Teams aren't really coordinated or even in sync enough to make plays that aren't super obvious. So you get these long boring games where neither team really does much.
and the league is so is so top heavy with TL this year, at least G2 and most of the European teams are interesting to watch
I really hope more teams improve enough to actually test TL. Only way TL will improve themselves and fix their flaws. Otherwise it'll just land up like last year where TL get to international competition and get exposed.
On February 04 2019 08:04 Numy wrote: I really hope more teams improve enough to actually test TL. Only way TL will improve themselves and fix their flaws. Otherwise it'll just land up like last year where TL get to international competition and get exposed.
I think C9 will probably be their closest competition but I just can't see C9 beating them, especially not in a Bo5
as an aside I have never believed Bjergson has been one of the top 5 mids in the world but I do think he has probably one of if not the best Syndra's of anyone, maybe Rookie is better on it but historically it has been by far Bjergson's best pick imo
On February 04 2019 07:55 Gahlo wrote: OBS are consistantly trash with changing who is in the focus frame, regardless of region. It's actually the worst part of the pro-viewing experience imo.
On February 04 2019 07:55 Gahlo wrote: OBS are consistantly trash with changing who is in the focus frame, regardless of region. It's actually the worst part of the pro-viewing experience imo.
What bothers me many times is when the OBS picks a fight to watch, then another breaks out that looks more exciting to them so they try to switch to it, but by then most of the action is over, then they try to switch back to the first and that action is over. In essence you just missed two fights for basically nothing. I feel that since they have the ability to split the screen, they should work on that a lot more.
On February 10 2019 08:43 lilwisper wrote: I like how Cpt flowers said we don't count support cs even though CoreJJ has 20 over JayJ even with Core roaming more.
I just would have found it funny if all the Sylas's this weekend were chain inters.
Anyway Sylas doesn't really excite me too much compared to Rubrick since he doesn't actually have to put in any effort to get abilities. A bit disappointing when they finally made the ability that has so much potential.
Sven's engages this game have been pretty hot outside of those early ones. He's doing a ton of work finding backline every time.
TSM would have won that game without Karthus. Like they had the turret plates looking back.
Honestly if a team in NA consistently smashes turrets down like TSM did and then doesn't go full monkey they are definitely in it to win it, TSM could pick themselves back up and work hard in order to make it to post season and be embarrassed by TL in a best of 5
Honestly I haven't seen Bjergsen perform like he did yesterday for so, so long. However, the team he was playing with was crafting such bad plays in the other parts of the game that it doesn't matter. You should NEVER be able to do ~6k damage with a Lissandra. That's just insane. The fact that you can't decidedly win a game when your Lissandra is popping the fuck off you know there are huge issues you need to deal with.
Broken Blade has been basically invisible when they've put him on Urgot(I can think of at least 2-3 times when he's in the process of pulling somebody in with ult and dies before it can kill them) and Akkadian has been exceedingly lackluster in general.
What I don't understand is how TSM can come out of early games with turret/plating/kill leads and not have a sizeable advantage. The largest lead they had in that game was 2.1k.
My feelings are that TSM has this problem of external pressure. Essentially in the early game the team has a set plan they know how to execute and what everyone should be doing. You can see them work together to secure objectives or make plays. The midgame comes and suddenly they seem lost. This isn't a new problem, TSM has never really known how to play actively past early game. When I watch them I get the sense that the players have decision paralysis in that they don't want to play a big move in case it backfires. The team lacks the trust you see from truly great teams where members go for the play knowing their teammates are right behind them. It's a free for all with everyone waiting for the other to make a move.
An easy example to look at is Bjergsen and Akaadian in that game. Bjerg did a lot of good plays, even great ones early. Hit mid game though he became increasingly passive not going for plays we see other Lissandras like Huhi pull off just a day before. That top fight in the jungle was a great example of this. He has an opportunity to make a big play going over the wall into 4 members but instead chooses to sit around fighting Froggen, eventually leaving him alive on almost no HP while Bjergsen still has flash to get the kill. He just walks away, ultimately not risking a big play for his team. He did have other moments where he got good engages but with the team comp they had they really had to push the momentum a lot earlier even if it was 100% risk free. Akaadian was the same, he didn't go for this big plays we see C9 Sven do over the weekend. After early game they just don't know how to start a fight because they all too afraid to actually work as a team to start a fight.
Compare this to Griffin. We see them even from disadvantaged positions starting insane fights that look like complete throws from individual member's. However, that player knows he merely had to start an engagement at that moment to buy time for his team to get there and win the fight. They don't care how ugly it looks. If it's the right time to fight they will do anything in their power to start that fight and win the game. IG last works was exactly the same. Each member completely trusting the other, sacrificing for the team or each other if it was the best play. This isn't just a TSM issue though, NA in general has no real idea how to start or when to start fights. TL and the rest of NA almost always contest drakes like madmen even if it's a good idea to give it up, just TL hardly gets punished locally. We saw what happened when that mindset got taken to Worlds though.
I know I give Bjergsen a lot of shit but that's coming from a good place. I think he can be a truly great player. Part of being a truly great player is being able to know when you just got to say fk it and go in. Now he was by no means the main issue with TSM, in fact he had a pretty good game relative to his teammates. Expectations are just a lot higher for me in his ability.
What interests me the most about TSM is what do they do from here? What happens when your "win at all costs" and "first or last" identity is out of your grasp? They already cast aside the "Fuck it, Baylife" identity by kicking everyone who wasn't serious, so what do you do for an identity now? How long before the scene at large adds them to the bucket of teams that get meme'ed on when they say their goal is to win the whole thing?
On February 12 2019 08:00 Gahlo wrote: They've always been memed on for their goal.
Not really. I mean yes they have for Regi's "win worlds" goal, but they spent what, 5 years winning in NA? Until last year no one really questioned the "if you're not first you're last" type mentality they had domestically. I'm talking about domestically exclusively, everyone gets meme'd on about worlds
On February 12 2019 09:16 Gahlo wrote: Yeah, but I don't believe I've heard any big goal statements regarding this year.
Obviously, they don't look good right now, but neither did C9 at this point last year, so I'm willing to let it ride.
idk they went from sven (who has upsides) to trashcans in the jungle. They've yet to fix that major issue and until they do, I don't think they'll be capable of succeeding.
On February 12 2019 12:27 Gahlo wrote: Kind of had to when they decided to swap out Biofrost for Mithy, which forced letting go of DL for Zven.
TSM's been forced with an NA jungler restriction since and Regi said Dardoch wasn't a good culture fit this offseason so... not really much available.
Idk Akaadian has been meh for his entire career. I can't see him ever not being meh. At least if they got a player who had some sort of upside i could be a bit excited for them.
On February 12 2019 12:27 Gahlo wrote: Kind of had to when they decided to swap out Biofrost for Mithy, which forced letting go of DL for Zven.
TSM's been forced with an NA jungler restriction since and Regi said Dardoch wasn't a good culture fit this offseason so... not really much available.
Idk Akaadian has been meh for his entire career. I can't see him ever not being meh. At least if they got a player who had some sort of upside i could be a bit excited for them.
For whatever reason they're high on Grig. Akaadian is the sub jungler.
Still think Meteos would have been a good pickup. He was playing really well last year before 100T went boom and didn't look too bad this weekend. Just so odd he's sharing time on such a low end team.
He said publicly that he'd never play for TSM. Meteos is at the point in his career where he's more into the 4fun aspect of competing. If he can do well in NA and gets to do international stuff, yay, but he doesn't want to tryhard.
Though I agree, on paper he'd probably be an improvement over both of TSM's junglers.
On February 17 2019 07:14 Redox wrote: If TSM loses this, TSMs split looks already very bleak, much worse than I expected.
Although their play never seemed that bad actually.
They play just becomes incredibly bad when they hit midgame. It's like they don't know what to do anymore and just amble around randomly. If they can get some direction in the mid game they'll be decent.
Again it just turns into an ARAM. BB pushes botlane into the tower. TSM has full vision of enemy team chilling mid. Instead of taking the tower he comes collapses mid so they just full ARAM getting nothing instead.
Can't imagine how it must feel winning a game like that. Sure you're happy for the win but when you a top player like zven you must be pissed at how bad it was.
I really dislike most of the NA players on Urgot. They play him like a ranged carry instead of a tank/dps god. Hauntzer keeps dodging enemies instead of going in. Bjerg played it a few weeks back and was just disgustingly scared on it. If you urgot you have to go in. Even BB earlier wasn't really actively in your face but he was a bit better than Hauntzer.
On February 17 2019 08:55 Numy wrote: I really dislike most of the NA players on Urgot. They play him like a ranged carry instead of a tank/dps god. Hauntzer keeps dodging enemies instead of going in. Bjerg played it a few weeks back and was just disgustingly scared on it. If you urgot you have to go in. Even BB earlier wasn't really actively in your face but he was a bit better than Hauntzer.
On February 18 2019 07:43 Slusher wrote: It’s refreshing to finally see someone punish TL for drafting champions they suck at
Glad this happened. In one weekend we get the two big question mark teams at the top fall down. Now I just hope TL takes this and learns from it unlike last year.
On February 25 2019 05:51 Sent. wrote: Maybe it's just a confirmation bias, but NA looks awful recently.
I think its the most apparent league in the world where its just a 1 to 2 team league. Like can anyone with a straight face say any team except C9 stand a chance against TL in a bo3+? Maybe MAYBE FQ, but I think beyond that is getting into ridiculousness
Optic has the weirdest roster. They have two clearly good junglers sharing time while having guys like Dhokla as a pure starter. Whoever built this team isn't the smartest or really messed up.
Flame couldn't find a team in NA. Arrow really isn't a big upgrade of any other ADC, hell the academy guy that played first week seemed fine. Why are NA teams still getting mediocre imports
This optic team is offensively terrible. Arrow suicides trying to zone off elder for absolutely zero reason. He's the fully slotted ADC , just hit the drake and kill it ffs. Then Dhokla just goes in 1v5 sits there and none of his team back him up so it's straight up suicide. Arrow again does random shit almost dying not really gaining anything then piglet just cleans up.
I think what makes NA even worse than normal this year is they have these hold over players who have absolutely no business being on these teams.
On February 25 2019 06:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not that I'm going to argue that optic is offensively terrible, but so is clutch. Hell I'd put 100T in that bucket too
Ye I'll give you that. CG, 100T, Optic, CLG even GGS just make me pull my hair out. You see stuff that just shouldn't be happening still in 2019. There's almost no retention of progress from year to year.
Yeah, but with Nocturne committing to the inhib bottom no need to do anything but chase them off since they scale harder... Already saving your tower and getting the tower bottom is such a huge win. Chasing is such a win more mentality.
That baron was so poorly played by Flyquest. Yikes. Cop prolly so tilted.
idk if I'm willing to put G2 in that group, even the EU analysts aren't convinced they're gonna hard stomp the league. TL/Griffin are clearly in a league of their own with one maybe two challengers a piece
On February 25 2019 10:57 JimmiC wrote: To me it's all odd because they all have a team that is heads and tails above the rest. TL, G2 and Griffen are all going to win ezpz.
and then theres China, and lets be honest no one has time to keep up with lpl
On February 25 2019 10:16 starkiller123 wrote: is anyone else super bored by lcs this year? lec and lck have just been way way more interesting to me this year
Not really, since as a TSM fan it's been an interesting split. Granted, there's a ton of games I'll listen to not instead of watching like I did last year. I've dropped LEC entirely, since there's nobody I feel I can root for. LCK is more or less dropped because I can't fit it into my schedule either wake up time or vod time-wise, so I just watch KT games now for the most part and wish I didn't.
On February 25 2019 10:57 JimmiC wrote: To me it's all odd because they all have a team that is heads and tails above the rest. TL, G2 and Griffen are all going to win ezpz.
and then theres China, and lets be honest no one has time to keep up with lpl
China has a 25 team Academy league. Twenty fucking Five.
On March 03 2019 08:08 AdsMoFro wrote: Fkn Clutch man...why do u always bait me into thinking maybe u could win. I blame my love of piglet.
I understand man. I was the same when he was on TL. Somehow in the back of your mind it creeps in that he is still a former world champion. That he will turn it back on some day. You just have to let go. heheheheh
They have a functioning jungler. However, Echo Fox has looked good in early game often. Then Rush runs it down in consecutive fights. Lets see what happens in mid game.
On March 03 2019 09:20 chipmonklord17 wrote: this game is embarrassing on both sides
How is TL supposed to get better when this is the quality of teams they play against...
I don't think there's a mental coach in the world to save TL from DoubleLift going mental boom internationally, and that's really where I see the improvements coming. If DL could magically play up to his skill level TL could do decently well abroad
On March 04 2019 09:05 chipmonklord17 wrote: What happens when TL plays against a team that can play to top side and shit on Impact?
TL won, but I wasn't feeling this lineup. It just seemed too time and play sensitive. If CLG didn't over commit on that bot side play I don't see TL winning.
On March 04 2019 09:05 chipmonklord17 wrote: What happens when TL plays against a team that can play to top side and shit on Impact?
TL won, but I wasn't feeling this lineup. It just seemed too time and play sensitive. If CLG didn't over commit on that bot side play I don't see TL winning.
I posted that post match. I'm saying what happens when someone better than Darshan can shit on Impact. For clarity sake I don't think anyone in NA except C9 can play top centric. 100T should be able to but they're having some trouble at the moment. So how does TL win against a team that can bully top and won't just give over the rest of the map
Jiizuke would have pulled off that attempt. Think they would have won if V1per had just hard commited from the instant they started at elder. Nobody can 1v1 Ryze at that point in the game and he kill towers in like a negative amount of autos at full build.
On March 11 2019 06:50 JimmiC wrote: Optic with a top laner would be interesting to watch.
It still blows my mind that they chose to keep Dhokla instead of buying Hauntzer. Not like I consider Hauntzer THAT great, but he's still a huge upgrade to the roster
Man that sucks I actually enjoyed his casts a lot. I been listening to him when he was doing the Challenger Series with Phreak and liked him back then as well.
I'm surprised Fox hasn't drafted this way more frequently.
They are a team to me that seems to have strong individual laning skills, and then seems to be relatively lost otherwise. Like, just in general the club seemed to not support eachother and rotate well, but they never really lose lanes.
When you draft Rush a strong early jungler and then 3 hard scaling lanes it really covers a lot of their weaknesses. Its smart.
Lira/Huni/Piglet have been mediocre for a while now, and Vulcan was never going to be the best part of the team. Not to say that it was a given, moreso to say there wasn't a high hurdle to climb
On March 18 2019 06:17 starkiller123 wrote: I wish Optic would try to get Ssumday from 100t and then pick up a native adc, the team would be so much better with two solid solo laners
Honestly I think Optic could just go grab Hauntzer from GGS if he'd come aboard and solve the problem with less steps.
On March 18 2019 06:17 starkiller123 wrote: I wish Optic would try to get Ssumday from 100t and then pick up a native adc, the team would be so much better with two solid solo laners
Honestly I think Optic could just go grab Hauntzer from GGS if he'd come aboard and solve the problem with less steps.
either way if they even got a middle of the table top laner they would be so much better
It's so weird to see 3 GGS laners with 500g bounties on their heads 25 minutes into the game while being roughly even on farm and without any kills and deaths. Are dragons included in bounty calculations?
I feel like it's been over a year and TL looks like the identical team with the exact same glaring issues. Fox early game was pretty great. Fenix mid game was just insanely erratic.
On March 24 2019 08:40 JimmiC wrote: Huni is my winner for most disappointing split.
No way that Huni beats Huhi or Aphro.
I don't think Huhi is arguable when you take top form into consideration, he's a roleplayer even if he plays as hoped
I still think that you can't compare how disappointing Huni, or anyone else has been, to the disappointment that is any of the 5 members of 100T. Except maybe Anda, because no one actually thought he'd be great
and they have double infernal, I really don't see how echo fox can lose team fights at this points tbh, maybe bubble and oneshot onto Jinx but even then idk, I'm actually amazed that Echo Fox managed to come back and make playoffs, its pretty insane
What picks are safe for Impact in this meta? Why hasn't TL gotten a top lane sub to develop this past year. You can't have such a clearly hole in your gameplay for over a year and still do nothing about it.
On March 25 2019 07:36 Numy wrote: What picks are safe for Impact in this meta? Why hasn't TL gotten a top lane sub to develop this past year. You can't have such a clearly hole in your gameplay for over a year and still do nothing about it.
I could only see GP for him just to be involved in other lanes but TSM banned that.
On March 25 2019 07:36 Numy wrote: What picks are safe for Impact in this meta? Why hasn't TL gotten a top lane sub to develop this past year. You can't have such a clearly hole in your gameplay for over a year and still do nothing about it.
its carry/splitpush top meta so pretty tough for impact
kennen seems to be his best out of that bunch. maybe he can pull out a gnar? saw it geng and griffin win with it in lck this week
i dont think they can develop a competent toplane sub quick enough after losing viper. sure impact looks bad but the sub would probably be worse even if he might be better in lane
On March 25 2019 07:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: Zven being so hyped to be on TSM borders on adorable.
I still maintain that Mithy not working out on TSM is tragic, because the guy wanted to be on TSM as far back as Season 4, finally gets a shot, it doesn't work out, and he loses his duo partner.
They had last year to work on it too and the off season to look for options. Impact's weaknesses as a player have been apparent for years now. He's a good role player in tank metas but struggles when he has to be a carry player. This hurt them at worlds too last year where they have both Pob and Impact as the same kind of role players.
TL has been struggling in early game this whole split, they just were able to outmanuever teams in the mid game even at deficits. We knew that wouldn't work on better teams and it looks like NA is finally starting to have better teams.
I am very scared for TL honestly because of Impact's weakness but I do remember him having a good Fiora game before on NRG in 2016 in Week 1. I hope they got someone to play Carries or Semi Finals or have him improve his Carry play.
even though they look pretty bad right now I still can't shake the feeling that TL will win the split, imo TSM probably would beat them in a bo5 but I think it will be another C9 vs TL finals with a similar result to last year
Most of these sets are pretty unpredictable. We only seen teams play a single bo1 coming into this playoffs since last set was far enough way that things have changed too much.
Why do the casters keep saying fly quest won the draft? Urgot is broken and has 2 ways of killing kindred in ult and they don’t have priority in any lane???????
On March 31 2019 06:33 Slusher wrote: Why do the casters keep saying fly quest won the draft? Urgot is broken and has 2 ways of killing kindred in ult and they don’t have priority in any lane???????
They rather said FQ got the draft they wanted because that is what their coach said.
On March 31 2019 06:33 Slusher wrote: Why do the casters keep saying fly quest won the draft? Urgot is broken and has 2 ways of killing kindred in ult and they don’t have priority in any lane???????
They rather said FQ got the draft they wanted because that is what their coach said.
Oh I see, I wonder if he actually thought he won the draft (yikes) or was coach speaking
On March 31 2019 06:33 Slusher wrote: Why do the casters keep saying fly quest won the draft? Urgot is broken and has 2 ways of killing kindred in ult and they don’t have priority in any lane???????
They rather said FQ got the draft they wanted because that is what their coach said.
Oh I see, I wonder if he actually thought he won the draft (yikes) or was coach speaking
Well as you see, they baited out the Tahm and Karthus (both champs Olleh and Froggen suck on), and then countered Urgot with Kindr...wait a minute none of that makes sense!
On March 31 2019 06:38 Slusher wrote: I don’t understand why kog is getting picked in the LCS
1) I don’t see him played much and playing against him is pretty whatever
2) The solo q build is Stormrazor first and none of the LCs players build it
Seen him a lot in LPL (ofc). Same build as well.
I’m a little hesitant to trash it completely because obviously Kog and Vayne frequently are on different tiers for pro and solo, but what I’ve seen so far in NA hasn’t changed my mind (it’s still 0% we iirc)
There doesn't seem like a lot of reason to go Dshield in this lane and it delays your Q upgrade by a pretty decent amount. He also builds Stormrazor first but then goes for Rageblade second item, whereas as far as I know the reason to do this build is because you can get the double upgrade quickly by going Stormrazor --> Pickaxe --> Boots 2 Dagger Dagger.
He instead sat on Pickaxe/Boots1 and completed Rageblade at like 21 minutes, still not having the E evolve.
I woulda have picked Santorin or Akaadian. Xmithie was not the top jungler this split.
As probably the largest TSM fan on this site, Akaadian didn't deserve it.
Way more than Xmithie no?
Nope. Xmithie had a better overall split while Akaadian had a better end of the split.
Santorin was still my vote. More important to his team than any other jungler and really only had one bad week that could be explained due to the death of his grandfather.
I woulda have picked Santorin or Akaadian. Xmithie was not the top jungler this split.
As probably the largest TSM fan on this site, Akaadian didn't deserve it.
Way more than Xmithie no?
Nope. Xmithie had a better overall split while Akaadian had a better end of the split.
Santorin was still my vote. More important to his team than any other jungler and really only had one bad week that could be explained due to the death of his grandfather.
Not debating that. Unless it's a TSM game I don't actively watch NALCS, it's just entertainment time. I couldn't really tell you anything about the split other than TSM and Riven games.
When Xmithie is on point he's a genius. Hes continuously aquiring vision and tracking the other jungler (or straight up being in his face) while also making plays for the laners. That one game where he dismantled the midlaner with Rek'Sai was beautiful. But there's a big downside to Xmithie. He seems to be bored/nonchalant/uncaring. Somehow it feels like whenever you see the camera on his face that he doesn't actually enjoy the game (anymore?) and it's just like a career path for him he can make money with. When he's in one of his /whatever modes he just straight up loses games for his team.
I happened to see Reapered’s vod review of game 1 and he thought the draft was really even and was irrelevant to the outcome. I thought that was pretty surprising, the one thing he said specifically was that Aatrox into kennen is Aatrox favored, which I will concede I would trust his opinion over mine. But I played in a game earlier this week with an Urgot OTP vs Kindred and he told me Urgot fucks them really hard and proceeded to prove it . I think maybe be because it’s new this isn’t known? Not sure.
(Also I thought Varus has lane priority vs the cast -Ashe? Bu t idk)
On April 01 2019 04:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: In Rush's defense he was fucked either way, if he doesnt jump out galio ult CC's him to death anyway
Yeah but it was his 3rd brain fart that game.
So glad EF won regardless, they deserved it.
I think you missed my point. That wasn't a brain fart. He had to try to jump out, he was 100% dead if he stays in Galio ult range, so he may as well try and get out
On April 01 2019 04:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: In Rush's defense he was fucked either way, if he doesnt jump out galio ult CC's him to death anyway
Yeah but it was his 3rd brain fart that game.
So glad EF won regardless, they deserved it.
I think you missed my point. That wasn't a brain fart. He had to try to jump out, he was 100% dead if he stays in Galio ult range, so he may as well try and get out
It was mispositioning, no matter what his intention was. At that position he would die 100% of times.
On April 01 2019 04:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: In Rush's defense he was fucked either way, if he doesnt jump out galio ult CC's him to death anyway
Yeah but it was his 3rd brain fart that game.
So glad EF won regardless, they deserved it.
I think you missed my point. That wasn't a brain fart. He had to try to jump out, he was 100% dead if he stays in Galio ult range, so he may as well try and get out
It was mispositioning, no matter what his intention was. At that position he would die 100% of times.
That's fair, although he did have Solo there so I can understand why he felt safe in that position.
I guess what confused me the most is that two former players and a former coach in Hai/Crumz/Mark all went with it as Rush having this dumb play. Like it makes sense for the casters who are in the moment and see that Rush jumped out of his ult. But I feel like all 3 should know that Galio Ult Range > Kindred Ult Range and that that was his best chance at surviving. Maybe just MAYBE the red smite burn stops at 1 health or the like, but 100% galio murks him with CC
On April 01 2019 07:36 Redox wrote: Well those games really sucked.
And I have a feeling Rush buried his career.
Put it this way, four teams were worse than Rush...yikes.
Four teams were better than Rush's. But he's certainly bottom half of junglers this split, AND an import. CLG, 100T, and Clutch are the only teams I'd argue as having definitively worse junglers this split. In my opinion its him or Contractz for the 6th/7th jungler spot (counting only starters, because I think Dardoch and Meteos are both better).
Huh these team fights were never even close. Dont really understand how this worked. I guess C9 had so much burst that lack of sustained dmg did not matter. And if the burst did not work they could easily heal up and try again.
if I could ban one champion from game 1 it would be Zoe, While I do think Sona Taric is incredibly strong, C9 managing to lose lane with it, and Sneaky’s ults give me confidence they aren’t that good at it. As a result I think it’s a complete red herring with regards to game 1.
I like it when pro teams make new strats work like this. Same thing with the MF support a while ago. Balance should be using different champs in new ways to battle other strats, not quick buff/nerfs to things that work/not work (of course this does not include the super obvious OP/UP stuff).
On April 07 2019 06:49 lilwisper wrote: I like it when pro teams make new strats work like this. Same thing with the MF support a while ago. Balance should be using different champs in new ways to battle other strats, not quick buff/nerfs to things that work/not work (of course this does not include the super obvious OP/UP stuff).
Agreed, Rox using MF support vs SKT was one of the most interresting points in their bo5 series at Worlds 2016, everyone loved it, eventually SKT couldn't deal with it and banned the MF
I tuned in to watch game 2. Somehow didn't tune out after Akaadian managed to miss the drake to an already laid out Morgana W. Nor whe Sven tried to flash Q Ashe under C9's turret. Then Akadian missing his flash/combo/etc. Bjergsen getting him killed as a gift with his stopwatch, fine, I'll just go back to not giving a crap and reading "C9 3-0 TSM" on some headline tomorrow.
Is that supposed to be representative of NA's level? Because damn, they're regressing.
On April 07 2019 07:22 Alaric wrote: I tuned in to watch game 2. Somehow didn't tune out after Akaadian managed to miss the drake to an already laid out Morgana W. Nor whe Sven tried to flash Q Ashe under C9's turret. Then Akadian missing his flash/combo/etc. Bjergsen getting him killed as a gift with his stopwatch, fine, I'll just go back to not giving a crap and reading "C9 3-0 TSM" on some headline tomorrow.
Is that supposed to be representative of NA's level? Because damn, they're regressing.
Akaadian hasn't looked this bad all split, even during his bad games.
On April 07 2019 06:52 Slusher wrote: this is not a pro team invented strat it a been doing well in challenger solo q for so long pros finally tried it
Funnel is a much closer comparison
That's fair, you know more about the game than I do, but I think you feel what I mean. I mean I know that since it's the pros, you can't just go willy nilly and do anything you want when money is on the line. It just gets sickening to hear "there are champs that do it better so xyz champ can't be used". Why to we have to wait for Riot to feel "oh hey it's worlds time, let's buff Corki, Ezreal and Irelia!"?
On April 07 2019 07:37 JimmiC wrote: Also, about akadian. What is it about TSM that makes junglers suck. Sven who just pwned em was "the problem" when he was with TSM, they either curse their junglers or they don't support them.
It's a bit premature to point to the "TSM jungle curse" because the guy had 2 bad games against a significantly better jungler.
On April 07 2019 07:44 JimmiC wrote: But didn't TSM get rid of that significantly better jungler because they thought he was bad?
No, they got rid of him because they wanted to switch out their support for a more communicative player with Mithy, but he required Zven come with him, and Sven got removed from the team due to import limits.
I actually just don’t understand the Urgot priority on this patch in NA. I’m legit baffled how he could be that much weaker in pro play that he doesn’t get picked or banned.
On April 07 2019 07:54 JimmiC wrote: Gotcha, I thought they thought Sven was bad, maybe that was just reddit hate.
From everything I saw, they were open to it as a possibility, but not a necessity. Even on DL's exit video, he mentions he thought Biofrost would have been the only one leaving.
On April 07 2019 07:37 JimmiC wrote: Also, about akadian. What is it about TSM that makes junglers suck. Sven who just pwned em was "the problem" when he was with TSM, they either curse their junglers or they don't support them.
It's a bit premature to point to the "TSM jungle curse" because the guy had 2 bad games against a significantly better jungler.
I dunno, losing the drake then losing the game on the next drake in game 2 weren't "doing badly against a better jungler".
Just as a thought, since the healing and shielding is so strong in a Taric/Sona game, using TL's comp as the example, shouldn't the enemy team use Soraka or Nami to match? I'd slightly edge it to Nami since you won't loose engage with her.
On April 08 2019 04:57 lilwisper wrote: Just as a thought, since the healing and shielding is so strong in a Taric/Sona game, using TL's comp as the example, shouldn't the enemy team use Soraka or Nami to match? I'd slightly edge it to Nami since you won't loose engage with her.
I was thinking giving the edge to Raka, Actually does Raka silence stop Taric stun in the same way it stops Pyke Q?
On April 08 2019 04:57 lilwisper wrote: Just as a thought, since the healing and shielding is so strong in a Taric/Sona game, using TL's comp as the example, shouldn't the enemy team use Soraka or Nami to match? I'd slightly edge it to Nami since you won't loose engage with her.
I was thinking giving the edge to Raka, Actually does Raka silence stop Taric stun in the same way it stops Pyke Q?
The only thing that can counter Sona /Taric has to be something involving team play because solo q has been trying to figure it out for a while and nothing has become obvious yet
Also people are focusing way too hard on the dual support thing, it’s what makes them strong in lane but Sona is building damage, her dps late is good, she is enabling herself, soraka cannot do this.
On April 08 2019 05:06 Slusher wrote: The only thing that can counter Sona /Taric has to be something involving team play because solo q has been trying to figure it out for a while and nothing has become obvious yet
Is there any way to see how many Nami or Soraka games have gone against it?
Are you talking about core Soraka? Her late game is fine but her item scaling is not good.
There’s 3 big reasons this is strong 1) support item abuse 2)a winning Taric lane is actually broken in general 3) Sona is one of the best item scaling champions in the game
Btw I’m not saying they are op as in 60%+ win rate, I’m saying you can’t stop them from executing their game plan
1)out golding your bot lane 2)Securing their team has the better team fight (compositionally) 3)blacking out your mini map
On April 08 2019 04:48 Redox wrote: Good game but seems like FQ totally botched it in the end.
And its pretty boring that it is always the predicted teams winning in NA and EU. Although it shows that success is not random in League.
Am I misremembering yesterday? Strict striation is a sign of a lopsided league. A too even league shows overall weakness.
TSM vs C9 was 2 pretty even teams and ended in a really even series. I bet on TSM btw. TSM is one of those big teams that are there every year, exactly what I was alluding to.
Also I dont see at all how an even League shows weakness. The weaker leagues are also pretty lop sided in general and not even at all. For the comparison between leagues at worlds only the top 3 are used, but if 4-10 are the same strength as the top 3 I would define that as a stronger League than one where 4-10 are far behind.
On April 08 2019 04:48 Redox wrote: Good game but seems like FQ totally botched it in the end.
And its pretty boring that it is always the predicted teams winning in NA and EU. Although it shows that success is not random in League.
Am I misremembering yesterday? Strict striation is a sign of a lopsided league. A too even league shows overall weakness.
TSM vs C9 was 2 pretty even teams and ended in a really even series. I bet on TSM btw. TSM is one of those big teams that are there every year, exactly what I was alluding to.
Also I dont see at all how an even League shows weakness. The weaker leagues are also pretty lop sided in general and not even at all. For the comparison between leagues at worlds only the top 3 are used, but if 4-10 are the same strength as the top 3 I would define that as a stronger League than one where 4-10 are far behind.
On April 08 2019 04:48 Redox wrote: Good game but seems like FQ totally botched it in the end.
And its pretty boring that it is always the predicted teams winning in NA and EU. Although it shows that success is not random in League.
Am I misremembering yesterday? Strict striation is a sign of a lopsided league. A too even league shows overall weakness.
TSM vs C9 was 2 pretty even teams and ended in a really even series. I bet on TSM btw. TSM is one of those big teams that are there every year, exactly what I was alluding to.
Also I dont see at all how an even League shows weakness. The weaker leagues are also pretty lop sided in general and not even at all. For the comparison between leagues at worlds only the top 3 are used, but if 4-10 are the same strength as the top 3 I would define that as a stronger League than one where 4-10 are far behind.
On April 08 2019 04:48 Redox wrote: Good game but seems like FQ totally botched it in the end.
And its pretty boring that it is always the predicted teams winning in NA and EU. Although it shows that success is not random in League.
Am I misremembering yesterday? Strict striation is a sign of a lopsided league. A too even league shows overall weakness.
TSM vs C9 was 2 pretty even teams and ended in a really even series. I bet on TSM btw. TSM is one of those big teams that are there every year, exactly what I was alluding to.
Also I dont see at all how an even League shows weakness. The weaker leagues are also pretty lop sided in general and not even at all. For the comparison between leagues at worlds only the top 3 are used, but if 4-10 are the same strength as the top 3 I would define that as a stronger League than one where 4-10 are far behind.
On April 08 2019 04:48 Redox wrote: Good game but seems like FQ totally botched it in the end.
And its pretty boring that it is always the predicted teams winning in NA and EU. Although it shows that success is not random in League.
Am I misremembering yesterday? Strict striation is a sign of a lopsided league. A too even league shows overall weakness.
TSM vs C9 was 2 pretty even teams and ended in a really even series. I bet on TSM btw. TSM is one of those big teams that are there every year, exactly what I was alluding to.
Also I dont see at all how an even League shows weakness. The weaker leagues are also pretty lop sided in general and not even at all. For the comparison between leagues at worlds only the top 3 are used, but if 4-10 are the same strength as the top 3 I would define that as a stronger League than one where 4-10 are far behind.
Regular split: C9 2-0 TSM, TSM 2-0 TL, TL 2-0 C9 if Playoffs: TSM 3-2 C9 and breaks the curse then Finals should be: TL 3-2 TSM since it's only fair for TL to win since TSM broke the curse, they get the curse rebounded on themselves
I don’t think beating a team outside of the top 3 says anything about your strength vs the top 3 with regards to NA this season. So I don’t think 3-0 vs 3-2 in the semis says anything about the finals.
On April 08 2019 06:56 Slusher wrote: I don’t think beating a team outside of the top 3 says anything about your strength vs the top 3 with regards to NA this season. So I don’t think 3-0 vs 3-2 in the semis says anything about the finals.
agreed since C9 beat TSM last Summer split and still lost 3-0 to TL
On April 08 2019 05:13 Slusher wrote: Are you talking about core Soraka? Her late game is fine but her item scaling is not good.
There’s 3 big reasons this is strong 1) support item abuse 2)a winning Taric lane is actually broken in general 3) Sona is one of the best item scaling champions in the game
Btw I’m not saying they are op as in 60%+ win rate, I’m saying you can’t stop them from executing their game plan
1)out golding your bot lane 2)Securing their team has the better team fight (compositionally) 3)blacking out your mini map
What about all-inning on a jugger-maw/jinx comp? If a team reveals their hand too early just run some tank top/jungle, karma mid, Kog/Jinx, and Lulu. I liked TSM's Vayne/Lulu in concept, but I think if they doubled down on keep Zven alive forever it would be superior to Sona/Taric
On April 08 2019 05:13 Slusher wrote: Are you talking about core Soraka? Her late game is fine but her item scaling is not good.
There’s 3 big reasons this is strong 1) support item abuse 2)a winning Taric lane is actually broken in general 3) Sona is one of the best item scaling champions in the game
Btw I’m not saying they are op as in 60%+ win rate, I’m saying you can’t stop them from executing their game plan
1)out golding your bot lane 2)Securing their team has the better team fight (compositionally) 3)blacking out your mini map
What about all-inning on a jugger-maw/jinx comp? If a team reveals their hand too early just run some tank top/jungle, karma mid, Kog/Jinx, and Lulu. I liked TSM's Vayne/Lulu in concept, but I think if they doubled down on keep Zven alive forever it would be superior to Sona/Taric
Ah I think that's a good one. Just eat through all the healing and shielding.
On April 08 2019 05:13 Slusher wrote: Are you talking about core Soraka? Her late game is fine but her item scaling is not good.
There’s 3 big reasons this is strong 1) support item abuse 2)a winning Taric lane is actually broken in general 3) Sona is one of the best item scaling champions in the game
Btw I’m not saying they are op as in 60%+ win rate, I’m saying you can’t stop them from executing their game plan
1)out golding your bot lane 2)Securing their team has the better team fight (compositionally) 3)blacking out your mini map
What about all-inning on a jugger-maw/jinx comp? If a team reveals their hand too early just run some tank top/jungle, karma mid, Kog/Jinx, and Lulu. I liked TSM's Vayne/Lulu in concept, but I think if they doubled down on keep Zven alive forever it would be superior to Sona/Taric
Ah I think that's a good one. Just eat through all the healing and shielding.
I think if you know its coming 100% you could (assuming you're on red) first pick your adc of choice, hand over the combo, then go Karma/Lulu, then take Ivern and something else. Hell you go all fucking in and play Morg mid and throw Karma top. It would probably be too one dimensional but I think that the only thing that can counter it is more healing and shielding.
On a related note I just ran into my first time, playing Vlad into it with a support Kench. We held our own in lane and got a couple of good kills, but it just didn't matter once they all got together. I could never do enough damage to beat the sustain.
I do know that it isn't like TSM doesn't have a log jam of talent at the AD position. Tactical is touted as one of, if not the, best ADCs in Academy and Johnsun, their "Junior" ADC, has been lauded as well.
On April 08 2019 06:52 AzAlexZ wrote: Regular split: C9 2-0 TSM, TSM 2-0 TL, TL 2-0 C9 if Playoffs: TSM 3-2 C9 and breaks the curse then Finals should be: TL 3-2 TSM since it's only fair for TL to win since TSM broke the curse, they get the curse rebounded on themselves
On April 08 2019 06:52 AzAlexZ wrote: Regular split: C9 2-0 TSM, TSM 2-0 TL, TL 2-0 C9 if Playoffs: TSM 3-2 C9 and breaks the curse then Finals should be: TL 3-2 TSM since it's only fair for TL to win since TSM broke the curse, they get the curse rebounded on themselves
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