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ROX and SKT are on the same side of the bracket. They will meet in the semifinal.
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Not according to that link I posted. I guess someone at Riot screwed up
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Australia18228 Posts
Only 6 perfect pickems remains, lol
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On October 10 2016 12:39 Painmaker wrote:
Not according to that link I posted. I guess someone at Riot screwed up
Someone definately messed up.
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Well, at least we're guaranteed a non-korean team in the semi-finals. Finals will probably be KR vs ROx though.
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I really hope that they change the system next year so that luck doesn't play such a huge factor. Like, you only have one big international tournament a year; the format shouldn't be so shit.
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France12880 Posts
Is this bracket rigged? Foreigners have a free pass to finals now -_-.
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On October 10 2016 14:39 Poopi wrote:
Is this bracket rigged? Foreigners have a free pass to finals now -_-.
Unless Wildturtle was in on it since he drew them then no.
Your also thinking that they will get past SSG which they won't lol
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Poland3748 Posts
So in the end of the day the results are:
1. LCK
2. Doesn't really matter
3. H2K+LPL
4. rest
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France12880 Posts
On October 10 2016 15:13 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 14:39 Poopi wrote:
Is this bracket rigged? Foreigners have a free pass to finals now -_-. Unless Wildturtle was in on it since he drew them then no. Your also thinking that they will get past SSG which they won't lol
Still if SSG fails a foreign team has a free pass...
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At least we know the first finalist.
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On October 10 2016 17:08 Numy wrote:
At least we know the first finalist.
Cloud9? 
In other trolliness...
Krepo then quickly shut him down:
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On October 09 2016 20:07 skykh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 18:38 Kinie wrote:On October 09 2016 13:20 geript wrote:On October 09 2016 12:41 dsyxelic wrote:On October 09 2016 12:34 cLutZ wrote:On October 09 2016 10:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The same fucking thing happened as last year. NA does well week 1 but disappoints in week 2. It's like the entire region just goes on vacation in between the two weeks and doesn't prepare like the other teams do.
This game was lost starting from pick/ban. You know RNG is going to funnel everything they have into Uzi. You can't let their mid pick Aurelion Sol and protect him. And when he picks Ezreal/Nami you need a gameplan to shut him down. They had no plan. They instead first picked Jayce - has any Jayce been impactful so far in Worlds?
Jayce top is a classic Scrim Hero champ. He gets massive CS leads because he forces backs with ranged W and can't get engaged on 1v1 by melees because of his knock away. However, he is basically a poke champion at heart, which makes him a stupid TP carrier. This TSM vs. RNG game demonstrates the problem to a T. On the first baron Haunter was pushing botlane and ended up taking 2 towers without TPing as RNG gets baron. But what if he did TP? He has to TP 15 seconds before the fight because you want to get off at least 2 QEs before you fight. Edit: Also RiotPls delete Aurelion Sol. Nothing worse than a noskill champ being must ban. perhaps next year. its a slight improvement on mordekaiser from last year. darius was quite stupid as well in terms of no skill. edit: on another note, this is the weakest #1 seed teams have looked at worlds rox - closed out strong but their group stage was far from stable g2 - no explanation needed fw - currently 1-2, not looking too good for them tsm - eliminated To be fair, this is also a year where the #1 and #2 seeds aren't that far away in skill. The last two years gave us SSW who could only lose to themselves and SSB and the super contender SKT. There hasn't been a super dominant team in Korea; SKT was strong but in decline and Rox kept falling off towards end of season. KT was the best team end of summer but lost to Rox and SSG but a hair. In EU and NA the #1/#2 difference hasn't been what the records have suggested. I haven't followed Taiwan/China this year to talk about those differences reasonably, but coming into worlds there were obvious flaws for each team. Then NA has this tendency to do random and terrible P/B that put them super behind. In terms of China it was pretty clear that #1 was EDG right from the start of summer split, and it was a 3 man competition between RNG, Snake, and WE for who would be #2 and the supposed #3. I-May just spiked hard core at the end in the gauntlet and upset Snake and WE for the last slot, while RNG got in on circuit points thanks to two solid finishes in spring and summer splits. SKT, KT, SSG, and ROX were all top 4 teams in Korea, with a pretty decent drop-off after those four. EU was just G2 stomping fools because of literal 0 competition, and NA had a similar problem of once the top 3 teams were decided (TSM, CLG, C9) the drop-off to the last 7 teams was so massive that the top 3 could only get better by scrimming each other, which can only get you so far. Right now I'd argue that, in terms of overall league strength, it's Korea > China = NA > EU, with LMS and LCL probably in the nebulous area of, "better than EU but worse than NA." And sure, you might think me crazy for thinking that China's top teams are about as equal as the top NA teams, but this group stage so far makes me think that - in an ideal world where both regions have their teams in good health, good cooperation, good pick/ban and a good read on the meta (all things that can vary WILDLY) - the skill level of the players is about equal and we would probably see a lot of trading of games back and forth. That sounds harsh, but in prior years it used to be Korea >>>>> China >>> NA = EU, with LMS and LCL also in that nebulous area of, "about as equal to NA and EU." The gap has closed, but now we have to see if the infrastructure put into place in TSM, C9, and CLG holds in the off-season, and if other teams start to pick it up and have it's players focus more on scrim/practice schedule and less on streaming. Its TSM Gap IMT/CLG/C9 Gap The rest I don't want to said it but RNG get stomped 3 times by Samsung twice and splyce, at least tsm has close games.
The gap between TSM and C9/CLG/IMT isn't as big as perceived. TSM's flaws weren't in any way tested or targeted in NA. Taking nothing away from TSM, they are a good team. It's just still not Korean level; the fact they were heavily limited by the level of opponent they could scrim with throughout summer limited growth. Plus, coach/analyst failures in P/B; Jayce isn't a great pick unless going with other strong poke. Zilean is very bad in current meta. TSM is best playing towards a pick comp but even play towards their strength.
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On October 10 2016 12:11 Gahlo wrote:
H2K lucking so hard this tourney.
they got 1st seed there was 0% chance they get any kr team or edg
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On October 10 2016 19:36 kongoline wrote:they got 1st seed there was 0% chance they get any kr team or edg
Yeah, but to have they have possibly the weakest #2 seed(I don't believe in ANX in a BoX yet) in their quarter finals matchup and the weakest semi final opponent possibilities. There is no easier road to the finals in that draw except maybe swapping C9 and ANX.
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On October 10 2016 21:07 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 19:36 kongoline wrote:On October 10 2016 12:11 Gahlo wrote:
H2K lucking so hard this tourney. they got 1st seed there was 0% chance they get any kr team or edg Yeah, but to have they have possibly the weakest #2 seed(I don't believe in ANX in a BoX yet) in their quarter finals matchup and the weakest semi final opponent possibilities. There is no easier road to the finals in that draw except maybe swapping C9 and ANX.
It was bound to happen sooner or later. The top seed from the group that has zero Korean teams historically has always gone far since the tournament format change to four groups in Season 4. With the way Riot Games allocates the groups, and the number of Korean teams attending, the first placed team in the group with zero Korean teams is almost guaranteed a safe passage to the semi-finals, assuming all Korean teams finish first in their group (which is not a wild assumption to make since every single Korean team has managed that since the format change in Season 4, with the sole exception of KOO Tigers). They had a one in three chance of drawing ANX.
With the paucity of truly meaningful international competition, and Riot's avoidance of double elimination formats, it is near impossible for one single tournament with its current format to truly reflect the standings of all the teams around the world. Perhaps H2k lucked out more so than others, but it was within the realms of possibility with the way things are set up. When was the last time you thought the top four standings at the World Championship (the placement I think H2k is most likey to achieve) accurately portrayed the top four teams of the world?
I'm all for tournament placings being designed in order to most accurately reflect the strengths of various teams, but the international competitive landscape would need a complete overhaul to match that specific need. It's a pipe dream with the way things are.
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On October 10 2016 18:38 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 20:07 skykh wrote:On October 09 2016 18:38 Kinie wrote:On October 09 2016 13:20 geript wrote:On October 09 2016 12:41 dsyxelic wrote:On October 09 2016 12:34 cLutZ wrote:On October 09 2016 10:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The same fucking thing happened as last year. NA does well week 1 but disappoints in week 2. It's like the entire region just goes on vacation in between the two weeks and doesn't prepare like the other teams do.
This game was lost starting from pick/ban. You know RNG is going to funnel everything they have into Uzi. You can't let their mid pick Aurelion Sol and protect him. And when he picks Ezreal/Nami you need a gameplan to shut him down. They had no plan. They instead first picked Jayce - has any Jayce been impactful so far in Worlds?
Jayce top is a classic Scrim Hero champ. He gets massive CS leads because he forces backs with ranged W and can't get engaged on 1v1 by melees because of his knock away. However, he is basically a poke champion at heart, which makes him a stupid TP carrier. This TSM vs. RNG game demonstrates the problem to a T. On the first baron Haunter was pushing botlane and ended up taking 2 towers without TPing as RNG gets baron. But what if he did TP? He has to TP 15 seconds before the fight because you want to get off at least 2 QEs before you fight. Edit: Also RiotPls delete Aurelion Sol. Nothing worse than a noskill champ being must ban. perhaps next year. its a slight improvement on mordekaiser from last year. darius was quite stupid as well in terms of no skill. edit: on another note, this is the weakest #1 seed teams have looked at worlds rox - closed out strong but their group stage was far from stable g2 - no explanation needed fw - currently 1-2, not looking too good for them tsm - eliminated To be fair, this is also a year where the #1 and #2 seeds aren't that far away in skill. The last two years gave us SSW who could only lose to themselves and SSB and the super contender SKT. There hasn't been a super dominant team in Korea; SKT was strong but in decline and Rox kept falling off towards end of season. KT was the best team end of summer but lost to Rox and SSG but a hair. In EU and NA the #1/#2 difference hasn't been what the records have suggested. I haven't followed Taiwan/China this year to talk about those differences reasonably, but coming into worlds there were obvious flaws for each team. Then NA has this tendency to do random and terrible P/B that put them super behind. In terms of China it was pretty clear that #1 was EDG right from the start of summer split, and it was a 3 man competition between RNG, Snake, and WE for who would be #2 and the supposed #3. I-May just spiked hard core at the end in the gauntlet and upset Snake and WE for the last slot, while RNG got in on circuit points thanks to two solid finishes in spring and summer splits. SKT, KT, SSG, and ROX were all top 4 teams in Korea, with a pretty decent drop-off after those four. EU was just G2 stomping fools because of literal 0 competition, and NA had a similar problem of once the top 3 teams were decided (TSM, CLG, C9) the drop-off to the last 7 teams was so massive that the top 3 could only get better by scrimming each other, which can only get you so far. Right now I'd argue that, in terms of overall league strength, it's Korea > China = NA > EU, with LMS and LCL probably in the nebulous area of, "better than EU but worse than NA." And sure, you might think me crazy for thinking that China's top teams are about as equal as the top NA teams, but this group stage so far makes me think that - in an ideal world where both regions have their teams in good health, good cooperation, good pick/ban and a good read on the meta (all things that can vary WILDLY) - the skill level of the players is about equal and we would probably see a lot of trading of games back and forth. That sounds harsh, but in prior years it used to be Korea >>>>> China >>> NA = EU, with LMS and LCL also in that nebulous area of, "about as equal to NA and EU." The gap has closed, but now we have to see if the infrastructure put into place in TSM, C9, and CLG holds in the off-season, and if other teams start to pick it up and have it's players focus more on scrim/practice schedule and less on streaming. Its TSM Gap IMT/CLG/C9 Gap The rest I don't want to said it but RNG get stomped 3 times by Samsung twice and splyce, at least tsm has close games. The gap between TSM and C9/CLG/IMT isn't as big as perceived. TSM's flaws weren't in any way tested or targeted in NA. Taking nothing away from TSM, they are a good team. It's just still not Korean level; the fact they were heavily limited by the level of opponent they could scrim with throughout summer limited growth. Plus, coach/analyst failures in P/B; Jayce isn't a great pick unless going with other strong poke. Zilean is very bad in current meta. TSM is best playing towards a pick comp but even play towards their strength.
I think all of TSMs major flaws of this tournament are much more fixable than CLG or C9 s. They really need a OGN winter invite where they can get in a ton of matches that crisp up the P&B and get Bio into the form of properly managing double's positioning. If not they will need luck, or will continue to lose even to teams that looked, IMO, 5% or so worse than them (RNG) overall.
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Just looked at group bracket. Poor EDG has just about the worst draw imaginable. To win they would need back to back victories against Rox Tigers, SKT, and Samsung Galaxy.
Compare that to Samsung's path of cloud9, H2k, SKT. It's like EDG needs to play LCK while Samsung gets to play LCS.
I was thinking before worlds that this might be China's year, because I could see EDG upsetting a strong Korean team. But three back to back probably isn't happening.
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