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Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 14 2016 09:29 GMT
#1401
The chinese casters were saying that in previous years, people were saying "Zionspartan/Darshan, NA's strongest toplaner!" and then when they saw him play the reaction was more like "?". This year though he's actually living up to the hype.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 14 2016 09:29 GMT
#1402
On May 14 2016 18:18 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 17:54 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:44 Vanka wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:15 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You guys think crowd has been CLG favored or FW favored?

Prob CLG favored because China v Taiwan rivalry.


What China v Taiwan rivalry? taiwanese people aren't fans of mainland China, but most Chinese people aren't even aware that Taiwan is ruled separately from the mainland from the propaganda they teach in school.

Hell the season 2 TPA worlds win the chinese fans were sharing in the glory.


Oh you fucking imbecile who have no idea what you are talking about. The fact there is constant negative coverage against Taiwan indepedence on CCTV ( the news at 6 that every region in China has - did you know that?), constant historical dramas that portray the victory of CCP over the Jiang Jie Shi (Do you know what I'm talking about?) that reference their retreat to Taiwan. In fact cross-strait relations - against taiwan independence was explicitly mentioned in the last public party meeting. It is impossible to a mainland chinese people not to know that taiwan is ruled differently.




I'm Chinese-Canadian, I've lived in Beijing for the last three and a half years, and I've had a Chinese girlfriend for the last 2 years. My girlfriend was shocked she found out Taiwan wasn't really a part of China, and most of the students I've taught had a similar reaction. Maybe in general the Chinese population would be more aware (not really sold on that, China is pretty insular), but I could say for sure that this generation of young people are by and large not attuned to cross-straight relations (other than they beat the KMT, whoo?), especially the ones who have never been overseas.

Most young to mid-aged urban people don't watch TV at all these days (stream online instead), much less watch CCTV.

On topic, did Darshan actually win the top lane match-up as ekko vs poppy in game 1, and won the reverse matchup this game? o_O


Shit son 3? I was there for 6. Maybe you should go out among the people instead staying in classrooms teaching wide-eyed kids trying impressing the laowai. You mentioned most Chinese people aren't even aware its ruled by the CCCP. There is a big difference between attuned to cross-strait relations(not with a g son, great teaching) and being aware. Most americans aren't even attuned to the status of guam to the U.S. continent. So?

Sha bi. Chi JB qu ba.


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See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 09:30:19
May 14 2016 09:30 GMT
#1403
Ignore me.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 14 2016 09:30 GMT
#1404
On May 14 2016 18:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'm not gonna be overconfident for SKT. Everyone said TSM was gonna dumpster CLG and look how that turned out. CLG just always seems to find a way to make things close.


Assuming that CLG plays out of their minds for the entire series, I just feel like CLG is a worse version of SKT. They can probably get a game (as shown in the round robin) but in a Bo5 I'm giving the adaptation from kkoma (and them being able to review and focus down Huhi's weak champ pool) in getting SKT the win at MSI.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 14 2016 09:30 GMT
#1405
What will CLG do when SKT bans ryze?
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 14 2016 09:31 GMT
#1406
On May 14 2016 18:30 ParadeofMadness wrote:
What will CLG do when SKT bans ryze?


Play the star dragon, get dumpstered anyway.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 14 2016 09:32 GMT
#1407
On May 14 2016 18:30 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 18:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'm not gonna be overconfident for SKT. Everyone said TSM was gonna dumpster CLG and look how that turned out. CLG just always seems to find a way to make things close.


Assuming that CLG plays out of their minds for the entire series, I just feel like CLG is a worse version of SKT. They can probably get a game (as shown in the round robin) but in a Bo5 I'm giving the adaptation from kkoma (and them being able to review and focus down Huhi's weak champ pool) in getting SKT the win at MSI.

I actually think CLG does one thing significantly better than SKT and that's split pushing and using those guerilla tactics on the map. SKT are more reserved and don't like to cut their losses and will use a TP to fight even if it's way too late.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 14 2016 09:32 GMT
#1408
On May 14 2016 18:30 ParadeofMadness wrote:
What will CLG do when SKT bans ryze?


I hope they pull out the Annie.

LOL.

Then they let Aphro carrie with Sona.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
May 14 2016 09:33 GMT
#1409
On May 14 2016 18:29 Sent. wrote:
Europe is now trash, China isnt trash and CLG is the most consistent foreign team. Someone wake me up

Nah China is still trash
Platinum Support GOD
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 09:35:25
May 14 2016 09:34 GMT
#1410
If Aphro picked Sona for the engage and sustain, why not grab Nami? Gives you a stronger presence in lane I feel (stronger heals, not as good poke, but lets you amp up your ADC's AAs), has a better form of CC in the bubble, and can engage or disengage with the wave.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 14 2016 09:35 GMT
#1411
On May 14 2016 18:34 Kinie wrote:
If Aphro picked Sona for the engage and sustain, why not grab Nami? Gives you a stronger presence in lane I feel, has a better form of CC in the bubble, and can engage or disengage with the wave.


Nami is shit engage.

More of a disengage. Her kit kind of sucks against Poke.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 14 2016 09:36 GMT
#1412
On May 14 2016 18:35 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 18:34 Kinie wrote:
If Aphro picked Sona for the engage and sustain, why not grab Nami? Gives you a stronger presence in lane I feel, has a better form of CC in the bubble, and can engage or disengage with the wave.


Nami is shit engage.

More of a disengage. Her kit kind of sucks against Poke.


I've seen pro-level supports engage with Nami by going flash-ult into landing a multi-person bubble.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 09:39:50
May 14 2016 09:39 GMT
#1413
On May 14 2016 18:34 Kinie wrote:
If Aphro picked Sona for the engage and sustain, why not grab Nami? Gives you a stronger presence in lane I feel (stronger heals, not as good poke, but lets you amp up your ADC's AAs), has a better form of CC in the bubble, and can engage or disengage with the wave.


Braum is cancer.

Cant see CLG beating SKT after the Fizz/Azir/Ryze mindgames they showed vs RNG, Faker will always snowball
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 14 2016 09:40 GMT
#1414
aside from the fact that Nami Flash ult as engage is hilariously bad, Sona Flash ult gives you a chance to one shot Kindred before ult.
Carrilord has arrived.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 14 2016 09:40 GMT
#1415
SKT could probably force CLG to ban or first pick ryze over maokai every game. I think SKT would be completely fine giving up ryze for a maokai.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 09:43:11
May 14 2016 09:41 GMT
#1416
On May 14 2016 18:39 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 18:34 Kinie wrote:
If Aphro picked Sona for the engage and sustain, why not grab Nami? Gives you a stronger presence in lane I feel (stronger heals, not as good poke, but lets you amp up your ADC's AAs), has a better form of CC in the bubble, and can engage or disengage with the wave.


Braum is cancer.

Cant see CLG beating SKT after the Fizz/Azir/Ryze mindgames they showed vs RNG, Faker will always snowball


Fizz was kinda a red herring in that series, he did significantly more team% damage in the games where he didn't play Fizz

On May 14 2016 18:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:
SKT could probably force CLG to ban or first pick ryze over maokai every game. I think SKT would be completely fine giving up ryze for a maokai.


I like this strategy if it gets them to leave open Mao, although I'm not sure how it would.
Carrilord has arrived.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 14 2016 09:41 GMT
#1417
On May 14 2016 18:29 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 18:18 Vanka wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:54 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:44 Vanka wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:15 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2016 17:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You guys think crowd has been CLG favored or FW favored?

Prob CLG favored because China v Taiwan rivalry.


What China v Taiwan rivalry? taiwanese people aren't fans of mainland China, but most Chinese people aren't even aware that Taiwan is ruled separately from the mainland from the propaganda they teach in school.

Hell the season 2 TPA worlds win the chinese fans were sharing in the glory.


Oh you fucking imbecile who have no idea what you are talking about. The fact there is constant negative coverage against Taiwan indepedence on CCTV ( the news at 6 that every region in China has - did you know that?), constant historical dramas that portray the victory of CCP over the Jiang Jie Shi (Do you know what I'm talking about?) that reference their retreat to Taiwan. In fact cross-strait relations - against taiwan independence was explicitly mentioned in the last public party meeting. It is impossible to a mainland chinese people not to know that taiwan is ruled differently.




I'm Chinese-Canadian, I've lived in Beijing for the last three and a half years, and I've had a Chinese girlfriend for the last 2 years. My girlfriend was shocked she found out Taiwan wasn't really a part of China, and most of the students I've taught had a similar reaction. Maybe in general the Chinese population would be more aware (not really sold on that, China is pretty insular), but I could say for sure that this generation of young people are by and large not attuned to cross-straight relations (other than they beat the KMT, whoo?), especially the ones who have never been overseas.

Most young to mid-aged urban people don't watch TV at all these days (stream online instead), much less watch CCTV.

On topic, did Darshan actually win the top lane match-up as ekko vs poppy in game 1, and won the reverse matchup this game? o_O


Shit son 3? I was there for 6. Maybe you should go out among the people instead staying in classrooms teaching wide-eyed kids trying impressing the laowai. You mentioned most Chinese people aren't even aware its ruled by the CCCP. There is a big difference between attuned to cross-strait relations(not with a g son, great teaching) and being aware. Most americans aren't even attuned to the status of guam to the U.S. continent. So?

Sha bi. Chi JB qu ba.


Not sure where all this aggression comes from, but I can only speak to my own experience, which is overwhelmingly ignorance of all foreign affairs, which includes what's happening to taiwan and hong kong. The original point was that the chinese crowd would hate the taiwanese enough that they would cheer for CLG (as if FW were japanese or something?) due to nationalism, which pretty lol to think that the young people into LoL would be aware enough politics to cheer for something like that, when the consensus is that China and Taiwan are the same country.

For the record, I teach 16-50 year olds in a working district in Beijing (the vast majority of my students have never been overseas because they can't afford it), so by the fact that you're on an English-speaking forum is probably by definition more "among the people" than your experience of China. Also, since you're using your experience in China in the past tense, it's also worth pointing out that China is a radically different country in the past 4ish years than it was just a decade ago. My mother knows less about how China is now than I do, and she spent the first 22 years of her life here.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 14 2016 09:44 GMT
#1418
On May 14 2016 18:41 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 18:39 Inflicted wrote:
On May 14 2016 18:34 Kinie wrote:
If Aphro picked Sona for the engage and sustain, why not grab Nami? Gives you a stronger presence in lane I feel (stronger heals, not as good poke, but lets you amp up your ADC's AAs), has a better form of CC in the bubble, and can engage or disengage with the wave.


Braum is cancer.

Cant see CLG beating SKT after the Fizz/Azir/Ryze mindgames they showed vs RNG, Faker will always snowball


Fizz was kinda a red herring in that series, he did significantly more team% damage in the games where he didn't play Fizz

Total damage isn't everything. Of course you don't want to pick fizz or leblanc if you just want good dmg numbers but he was incredible at finding picks and causing all sorts of havoc in the back line.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 14 2016 09:46 GMT
#1419
I hope SKT counters Huhi's ryze with cassio so Faker can give one final tribute to cassio before riot buries her
Glorious SEA doto
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 14 2016 09:47 GMT
#1420
Assuming perfect bans, CLG's probably looking to ban out any of the following in the first game: Azir, Kindred, Maokai, Ekko, Graves, Bard, Soraka. For SKT, I assume their bans will be: Ryze, Soraka, Nidalee, Ekko, Poppy, Kindred.
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