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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2601
I mean look at the draft phase: first pick Maokai and Alistair, that's a good front line. But then after TSM doesn't grab Azir in their second phase of the draft, TL goes for Elise and Sivir. Take Elise and Azir in the second phase, or Sivir and Azir. Get your Korean carries champions they are strong on (Fenix's Azir) AND have great synergy with your team (Piglet's Sivir).
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12889 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2602
TSM for the 3-0, but damn NA looks weak.
WriterMaru
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2603
On August 17 2015 06:32 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 06:28 Kinie wrote:
Don't get me wrong, TSM is playing pretty poorly too. It's just that TL has such a weird/bad draft that IWD can't get enough pressure done with Elise, which means IWD does next to nothing in a teamfight, and all Santorin has to do is maybe land a spear, use Nidalee's heal to keep one person from getting bursted, and go into cougar form to blow up Xpecial or IWD or Quas.


It's funny, I almost never see games where people are saying either of the teams play well. Like, about 50% of games, people say both teams played bad. And about 90%+ they say that one of the teams play bad.

The only conclusion I can see is that every team is bad. Kind of weird considering they are the best teams available.

TL and TSM are the best teams available? I suggest you to watch games of some regions actually good at the game like Korea.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-16 21:36:18
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2604
On August 17 2015 06:31 suicideyear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 06:28 Amethyst21 wrote:
On August 17 2015 06:25 pellejohnson wrote:
On August 17 2015 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On August 17 2015 06:18 pellejohnson wrote:
Haven't played or watched LoL for about 2 years but is the power creep really this bad? I don't even recognize half of the champions in this game


Yea, almost all new champions in past 2 years are mainstream nowdays.

Are Riot not buffing/remaking older champions to make them viable? Seems a bit ridiculous to have so many champions that are not viable at all


There have been a lot of remakes, some better than others.

But lets be honest, of the three champs released this years, 0 were in that game.

Alistar, Maokai Nid and Sivir are oldschool. Elise is a 2012 champ.

The power creep exists, but it's not too bad imo.

weren't maokai and sivir reworked recently?



Maokai was in 4.11 and was mostly his big ult change (does anyone remember when that shit was fixed on the ground...), Sivir was in 3.13. It's funny, she's been pummeled with pretty much straight nerfs for 2 seasons now and is still fantastic.
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Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2605
Can someone explain why TL keeps giving azir to bjerg.Isnt fenix the best azir player NA?
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-16 21:35:08
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2606
It's not just the Azir though. Team liquid have just been outmatched when it comes to any form of fighting around objectives. You can't blame Bjerg's Azir for the poor TP play, poor focus from xpecial and dom's poor play. Change the champs around and Bjerg would have likely had the same impact.

Still no reason to not get Azir for Fenix, but I doubt it will impact the result much.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2607
On August 17 2015 06:33 iCanada wrote:
2-0 for tsm is very misleading. Game was hella close games, tbh.

I think tsm just are winning the clutch fights, TL seems to win all the rest. Unfortunately it's the clutch fights that lead to the big objectives that win the game. Liquid isn't getting towers and drags sheet their wins.

Slim margin between being 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2.


These games aren't really that close. TL can only get leads through lane phase whereas TSM has been outteamfighting them even while behind in gold.

Pretty much just waited both games for TL to lose teamfights.
In Inca we trust
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2608
On August 17 2015 06:28 Kinie wrote:
Don't get me wrong, TSM is playing pretty poorly too. It's just that TL has such a weird/bad draft that IWD can't get enough pressure done with Elise, which means IWD does next to nothing in a teamfight, and all Santorin has to do is maybe land a spear, use Nidalee's heal to keep one person from getting bursted, and go into cougar form to blow up Xpecial or IWD or Quas.

TL drafted fine. They just had abyssal, ludens, lucidity on Viktor instead of Cap/void/sorc and so Viktor did zero damage to the TSM front line. Then, instead of kiting out of Azir sand soldiers they tried to stand up fight in them while braum and gnar could trade soak.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#2609
On August 17 2015 06:32 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 06:28 Kinie wrote:
Don't get me wrong, TSM is playing pretty poorly too. It's just that TL has such a weird/bad draft that IWD can't get enough pressure done with Elise, which means IWD does next to nothing in a teamfight, and all Santorin has to do is maybe land a spear, use Nidalee's heal to keep one person from getting bursted, and go into cougar form to blow up Xpecial or IWD or Quas.


It's funny, I almost never see games where people are saying either of the teams play well. Like, about 50% of games, people say both teams played bad. And about 90%+ they say that one of the teams play bad.

The only conclusion I can see is that every team is bad. Kind of weird considering they are the best teams available.

Teamplay in league is hard.Most of the mistakes mentioned here are just the obvious that anyone can see.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-16 21:35:22
August 16 2015 21:35 GMT
#2610
On August 17 2015 06:34 Poopi wrote:
TSM for the 3-0, but damn NA looks weak.

Have faith.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 16 2015 21:35 GMT
#2611
On August 17 2015 06:26 MattBarry wrote:
Well a super hot CLG vs a super hot TSM in Madison Square Garden is gonna break some sorta record. Riot's broadcast team is probably violently stroking themselves to the thought of it

On a side note: As a curse fan since season 2: I am desensitized to disappointment


Finals probably gonna suck anyway.
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
August 16 2015 21:35 GMT
#2612
On August 17 2015 06:30 Mensol wrote:
It's really not working out with peter. He is too naive in p/b and its been TL's problem since start of spring season.


Man, you're really going to say it after TL has its best playoff performance ever in spring and finished first in summer?

I think the lack of priority on Azir has proven to be questionable but when it comes down to it there's a lot of individual play problems here and really bad shot calling (pretty much every Quas TP).
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
August 16 2015 21:35 GMT
#2613
On August 17 2015 06:33 iCanada wrote:
2-0 for tsm is very misleading. Game was hella close games, tbh.

I think tsm just are winning the clutch fights, TL seems to win all the rest. Unfortunately it's the clutch fights that lead to the big objectives that win the game. Liquid isn't getting towers and drags sheet their wins.

Slim margin between being 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2.

The games were deceptively close. TSM picked hyperscaling comps and still kept up mid game. That is not supposed to happen. When you Elise, Sivir, Viktor you need to be SHITTING on Jinx/Azir mid game. Not doing so is a loss
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 16 2015 21:36 GMT
#2614
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#2615
Dom by the way has been entirely irrelevant in both matches, I think that he should try some other champion.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
August 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#2616
On August 17 2015 06:35 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 06:33 iCanada wrote:
2-0 for tsm is very misleading. Game was hella close games, tbh.

I think tsm just are winning the clutch fights, TL seems to win all the rest. Unfortunately it's the clutch fights that lead to the big objectives that win the game. Liquid isn't getting towers and drags sheet their wins.

Slim margin between being 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2.

The games were deceptively close. TSM picked hyperscaling comps and still kept up mid game. That is not supposed to happen. When you Elise, Sivir, Viktor you need to be SHITTING on Jinx/Azir mid game. Not doing so is a loss

agreed
for both of these games, i feel like once tsm made it to late game with even gold, it was gg
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
August 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#2617
Hm, KOO vs Najin was a pretty good game, although not the best example of a clean one since Ohq. iG-QG was a mess, EU was just OG and FNC were just playing decently against trash opponents... I guess I am just a negative fuck :>
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#2618
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/TRLH1/1001340124?gameHash=4753b8797532547f&tab=stats

Just look at this.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-16 21:39:04
August 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#2619
On August 17 2015 06:32 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 06:28 Kinie wrote:
Don't get me wrong, TSM is playing pretty poorly too. It's just that TL has such a weird/bad draft that IWD can't get enough pressure done with Elise, which means IWD does next to nothing in a teamfight, and all Santorin has to do is maybe land a spear, use Nidalee's heal to keep one person from getting bursted, and go into cougar form to blow up Xpecial or IWD or Quas.


It's funny, I almost never see games where people are saying either of the teams play well. Like, about 50% of games, people say both teams played bad. And about 90%+ they say that one of the teams play bad.

The only conclusion I can see is that every team is bad. Kind of weird considering they are the best teams available.


TL's early game in game 2 was fine, they out-rotated TSM and IWD got enough pressure on the side lanes to get the outer towers down early, which let TL get the early dragons. But when TL is too afraid to fight because of Bjerg's Azir and Quas is doing terrible with the teleports (admittedly not NA's strong suit to begin with), that's what I have issue with.

TSM just rolled with the punches, took small advantages eery time TL got a dragon and is letting Bjerg carry them in team fights because Lustboy is providing enough peel for Bjerg to get a billion damage done via sand soldier poke.

On August 17 2015 06:37 nafta wrote:
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/TRLH1/1001340124?gameHash=4753b8797532547f&tab=stats

Just look at this.


Bjerg's Azir: 54k damage dealt to champions.

Next highest in the game is Piglet's Sivir with 36.7k. TSM (read: Lustboy) is providing enough peel/protection for Bjerg to stay alive and get his poke in with Azir.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#2620
I'm kinda surprised neither team has picked up tristana yet.
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