First game has the possibility to be hype. Don't know about the rest.
Yesterday a pretty good H2K turned up, I am very curious if the same one will fight Roccat. If they continue to improve at this rate, they might become a solid middle of the pack team (in fact, one could even argue thhey already are, some of the other teams are much worse).
Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
CW might punch Fnatic in face with standard lanes, Freeze/Unlimited were pretty much only lane to not lose to Forg1ven/nRated and I don't want to think how hard Steeelback can get bodied with Yellowstar permaroaming around.
If Airwaks just doesn't randomly die and Wolves actually ban Rengar/Xerath and get Lissandra, might be cool game.
Maybe it's because there's less skill gap between mid-tier teams in NA? Or maybe it's just still the bias that comes from the fact EU doesn't have established streamers and interviewers dunno. Anyway I feel like most games are predictable so hopefully there'll be some upsets.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
NA got some serious upgrades this offseason. I wouldn't be too comfortable up in that EU Ivory Tower.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
Better? Who fuckin' knows. More interesting? Yes. Mid tier teams have more upset potential, meaning all mid tier team matches could go either way when playing against eachother. EU has just been slowly separating into their tiers.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
Better? Who fuckin' knows. More interesting? Yes. Mid tier teams have more upset potential, meaning all mid tier team matches could go either way when playing against eachother. EU has just been slowly separating into their tiers.
Don't lie to yourself, only reason why is it more interesting for people is because NA has streamers in every team and EU doesn't. That's another problem with storylined competition, people follow their streamers, not caring about team storyline, caring only about player.
EU was having all teams hanging around 50% for 3 seasons, can give it a break once.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
NA got some serious upgrades this offseason. I wouldn't be too comfortable up in that EU Ivory Tower.
Roccat got upgrades as well. I guess, it worked probably on same level with NA upgrades.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
Better? Who fuckin' knows. More interesting? Yes. Mid tier teams have more upset potential, meaning all mid tier team matches could go either way when playing against eachother. EU has just been slowly separating into their tiers.
Don't lie to yourself, only reason why is it more interesting for people is because NA has streamers in every team and EU doesn't. That's another problem with storylined competition, people follow their streamers, not caring about team storyline, caring only about player.
EU was having all teams hanging around 50% for 3 seasons, can give it a break once.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
NA got some serious upgrades this offseason. I wouldn't be too comfortable up in that EU Ivory Tower.
Roccat got upgrades as well. I guess, it worked probably on same level with NA upgrades.
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
Better? Who fuckin' knows. More interesting? Yes. Mid tier teams have more upset potential, meaning all mid tier team matches could go either way when playing against eachother. EU has just been slowly separating into their tiers.
Don't lie to yourself, only reason why is it more interesting for people is because NA has streamers in every team and EU doesn't. That's another problem with storylined competition, people follow their streamers, not caring about team storyline, caring only about player.
EU was having all teams hanging around 50% for 3 seasons, can give it a break once.
On February 14 2015 01:45 BrownBear wrote:
On February 14 2015 01:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Do people seriously pretend that NA LCS is stronger and more interesting than EU's one? With 2,5 good teams? Cool story.
NA got some serious upgrades this offseason. I wouldn't be too comfortable up in that EU Ivory Tower.
Roccat got upgrades as well. I guess, it worked probably on same level with NA upgrades.
Strawman more.
Let's be real for once, without pink-glassing anything. C9 is slumping, TSM and CLG are ok even if their weaknesses are going to get exposed heavily, TL got 2 Seraphs and even Xpecial is losing will to live.
Who's next. Winterfox can't get their support and coach for 4 weeks already, Pobelter isn't rising in my ranks either and it's his third season. Dignitas don't have coaching stuff at all outside of poor Mylixia, at least, Crumbzz stepped down. Coast are still going Coast ways, being 1-5 instead of 4-2. Team 8 is probably shining star in this depth, at least they have a clue how to play game, when CaliTrlolz isn't too fancy for his own good and don't give CLG 5 top picks.
Then we have TIP, which doesn't have any rights to win games if NA league is that good, because of language barriers, instead, they're positive and stomp other mid-tier teams into ground. And then Gravity, which is healthy mix of old horses and young ponies, they're cool.
I simply don't see a reason, why NA is more interesting than EU, if I just drop CLG flair.
On February 14 2015 02:22 Fusilero wrote: The EU LCS crowd has finally found their true callings.
As TSM fans
I don't see why people argue EU LCS vs NA LCS when LMS > Both
Indonesia is going to take over SEA next season, bitch.
SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
Unless we suck even more than we think and will have to bow down to WE overlords :>
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
Unless we suck even more than we think and will have to bow down to WE overlords :>
If WE randomly gets to finals in Katowice, LCS should just disband and Spirit should be proclaimed as best player ever touched this game.
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
Unless we suck even more than we think and will have to bow down to WE overlords :>
Amount of LPL and ogn finals WE players have been in: 3 Amount of LPL and ogn finals GE tiger players have been in: 1
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
Unless we suck even more than we think and will have to bow down to WE overlords :>
If WE randomly gets to finals in Katowice, LCS should just disband and Spirit should be proclaimed as best player ever touched this game.
Styz will be as good as weixiao trust me he just needs time ;_;
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
Wait, why no China at Katowice? That's bizarre considering China may very well be able to challenge for best region in the world now.
On February 14 2015 02:33 BrownBear wrote: SK is best team in the west, not disputing that. Fnatic are one-trick ponies, only one team has managed to exploit that yet, but as the season goes on I predict they fall off. Elements have lost will to live and have no clue how to play from behind. Rekkles is overrated. UoL are decent but lack quality ADC + have tendency to get caught. H2K have language barrier, mediocre ADC, and predictable jungler. Roccat have inexperienced top, bad ADC, overrated mid. Don't even have to explain about Gambit, CW, MYM, Giants.
It's almost as if every Western team has weaknesses (besides SK, at least so far) that can be exploited. Holy shit, who would have thought that was a possibility?
Both regions really suck now, sadly enough, Katowice will feature no China, so white guys will think that they were one game from Worlds finals like certain peeps in other threads.
Wait, why no China at Katowice? That's bizarre considering China may very well be able to challenge for best region in the world now.
Visa and schedule issues made it impossible for IEM to fit in another team on relatively short notice. WE's participation in Katowice has been known for about 9 months so that's okay.
So I missed the draft, someone care to explain how ROCCAT ended up losing gnar/rek'sai and wound up picking lee sin into the tunnel girl
Kasing really making this team so much better, more co-ordinated initiations and plays and the team's ward game already looking for better. If they had this vs SK they'd probably have won that match ~_~
On February 14 2015 02:44 Fusilero wrote: So I missed the draft, someone care to explain how ROCCAT ended up losing gnar/rek'sai and wound up picking lee sin into the tunnel girl
Kasing really making this team so much better, more co-ordinated initiations and plays and the team's ward game already looking for better. If they had this vs SK they'd probably have won that match ~_~
On February 14 2015 02:44 Fusilero wrote: So I missed the draft, someone care to explain how ROCCAT ended up losing gnar/rek'sai and wound up picking lee sin into the tunnel girl
Kasing really making this team so much better, more co-ordinated initiations and plays and the team's ward game already looking for better. If they had this vs SK they'd probably have won that match ~_~
IIRC Rek was first picked with J4 banned, and apparently Jankos only plays Lee after those.
Not that Ryu's doing particularly bad but imagine if H2K actually got Kori, I'd probably have a new favorite team.
On February 14 2015 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: At this point, you gotta ask, is Jankos overrated or no. Because his lanes ain't worse now but Roccat's early game is just non-existent in every game.
Well I think it's two things. First, yes he is, I think someone agreed with me last week that good junglers can look better on bad teams. Secondly, I've being saiying that Jankos and Nukeduck are stylistically much different players and won't work well together.
On February 14 2015 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: At this point, you gotta ask, is Jankos overrated or no. Because his lanes ain't worse now but Roccat's early game is just non-existent in every game.
Not sure if it's that everyone else got better or that he got worse, but something ain't working for him this split.
On February 14 2015 02:48 AlterKot wrote: Not that Ryu's doing particularly bad but imagine if H2K actually got Kori, I'd probably have a new favorite team.
Imagine if Febiven didn't leave H2K in first place, rofl. Ryu is okay actually, not Seraphing at all.
On February 14 2015 02:47 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: At this point, you gotta ask, is Jankos overrated or no. Because his lanes ain't worse now but Roccat's early game is just non-existent in every game.
Well I think it's two things. First, yes he is, I think someone agreed with me last week that good junglers can look better on bad teams. Secondly, I've being saiying that Jankos and Nukeduck are stylistically much different players and won't work well together.[/QUOTE]
Last split I don't think jankos was overrated but atm he's definitely looking far worse. Team strategy or laning idk but he's just off.
A good start though is to stop playing lee/elise. Also he feels a bit less free, celaver/xaxus/overpow were such passive lanes that required zero attention he was free to play as he wished. Nukeduck/woolite need far more attention to perform and overpow top is nowhere near as moe as his midlane. I guess we can't all be morning.
Like this game jankos just hovered mid loads, infact he seems to do it loads. Not actually ganking or killing just hovering mid. Idk what the game plan is but hovering mid is getting him and nukeduck nowhere. Then again neither is ganking top and lol woolite carrying.
On February 14 2015 02:53 Sent. wrote: Roccat needs to start playing protect Woolite comps. He is the least disappointing player in the team in my opinion.
On February 14 2015 02:53 Sent. wrote: Roccat needs to start playing protect Woolite comps. He is the least disappointing player in the team in my opinion.
Learn from snake, if your ADC has shit positioning camp top and create massive zone comp to compensate for it.
They're top 3 of LPL with that strat so it's got to be good :>
On February 14 2015 02:53 Sent. wrote: Roccat needs to start playing protect Woolite comps. He is the least disappointing player in the team in my opinion.
Woolite singlehandedly lost them two games this season, rofl. Unless Jankos stops going full Diamondprox with Lee Sin/Elise and skirmishers every game, nothing good is going to happen for ROCCAT.
On February 14 2015 02:53 Sent. wrote: Roccat needs to start playing protect Woolite comps. He is the least disappointing player in the team in my opinion.
Learn from snake, if your ADC has shit positioning camp top and create massive zone comp to compensate for it.
They're top 3 of LPL with that strat so it's got to be good :>
Overpow is no Flandre, Jankos doesn't play Nunu and Woolite doesn't have glasses. PROBLEMS EVERYWHERE.
On February 14 2015 02:56 Fusilero wrote: Flandre isn't playing like flandre lmao. Flandre is the son of PDD, the current snake top laner is some looper bitch that peels for fan2fan.
Nukeduck not being able to keep himself alive let alone zone for woolite would probably the bigger issue with emulating snake.
LOL. fucking giants gives up 2 s-tier picks just for a A-tier ADC, and B-tier toplaner.
lol, k giants at least grabs S-tier jungle, but they have no serious engage potential in a teamfight. Giants don't have the vision or map rotation skills to run a pick comp like this.
As the ex-ROCCAT coach (I quit to finish studies, mb I will try to come back to the scene for summer split) it seems like the same problems plague the team as in summer 2014 when I wasn't with the team in the GH. Passive mentality and lack of a winners mindset. With the teamcomp ROCCAT had this game they should have done an all-in at least 2-3 times in their own jungle when they had a chance. Instead overpow on maokai is trying to wave control and nuckduck is splitpushing. In theory these shouldn't be growing pains because ROCCAT started playing a month before LCS even started. BTW: OVERPOW is NOT a stable shotcaller, he would be a shotcaller for 1 week then he wouldn't for the next that's why I tried to move him away from that but it seems everybody believed he did most of the shotcalling in ROCCAT.
I really dig these SK comps. So little room for error with that little tankiness on your team, but it allows you to punish enemy mistakes so effectively.
On February 14 2015 03:17 BrownBear wrote: I really dig these SK comps. So little room for error with that little tankiness on your team, but it allows you to punish enemy mistakes so effectively.
They have a faux-tankiness though. The zoning potential from J4+Azir is so big, so while they might not have a front line for "tanking", they do have giant land barriers that work very similarly.
Okay so giants got some decent skirmish, their comp in the end is decently suited to punish poor early game warding which SK doesn't do because they are for scrubs.
I'd say now that giants might have a shot with how the draft panned out then I remembered it's giants vs SK and giants will probably go afk in their lanes and frederic/werlyb go give up stupid deaths to azir.
On February 14 2015 03:17 BrownBear wrote: I really dig these SK comps. So little room for error with that little tankiness on your team, but it allows you to punish enemy mistakes so effectively.
They have a faux-tankiness though. The zoning potential from J4+Azir is so big, so while they might not have a front line for "tanking", they do have giant land barriers that work very similarly.
That's why I love it so much. They basically fudge it with Lulu and with their potential to just flip a switch and blow someone up. Really good theorycrafting.
Dunno still not really known for good Zed play. Maybe he is overconfident after the game yesterday. But ye they wont get stomped anyway and late game Azir is pretty strong lol.
On February 14 2015 03:16 veggie16 wrote: As the ex-ROCCAT coach (I quit to finish studies, mb I will try to come back to the scene for summer split) it seems like the same problems plague the team as in summer 2014 when I wasn't with the team in the GH. Passive mentality and lack of a winners mindset. With the teamcomp ROCCAT had this game they should have done an all-in at least 2-3 times in their own jungle when they had a chance. Instead overpow on maokai is trying to wave control and nuckduck is splitpushing. In theory these shouldn't be growing pains because ROCCAT started playing a month before LCS even started. BTW: OVERPOW is NOT a stable shotcaller, he would be a shotcaller for 1 week then he wouldn't for the next that's why I tried to move him away from that but it seems everybody believed he did most of the shotcalling in ROCCAT.
Gotta save them, Veggie.
On February 14 2015 03:19 Kenpark wrote: Dont really follow the asian scene, but nobody else plays Lucian, Lulu right now or am I wrong ?
Lulu is picked here and there, not as support though. Lucian is rare thing nowdays, Uzi prefers random Vaynes.
How did it even hit, holy moly. Truly charming fox. All of nine tails.
On February 14 2015 03:30 BrownBear wrote: Remember when everyone thought Rekkles was best EU ADC and wasn't sure how Forgiven would be after his time off?
Decent gameplan and execution by Giants, but their players are just too weak. Solo lanes seem kinda fine but duo and jungle got to be the worst in EU LCS BY FAR.
On February 14 2015 03:34 Kenpark wrote: Decent gameplan and execution by Giants, but their players are just too weak. Solo lanes seem kinda fine but duo and jungle got to be the worst in EU LCS BY FAR.
false sense tbh. Giant's midgame is stronger than SK, but SK's late game is so much stronger. So giant's actually seems somewhat in this game because of their power spike right now.
On February 14 2015 03:34 Kenpark wrote: Decent gameplan and execution by Giants, but their players are just too weak. Solo lanes seem kinda fine but duo and jungle got to be the worst in EU LCS BY FAR.
Werlyb actually found a champ he's not terrible on this game!
But yea, Pepinero really the only LCS-quality player on this team (Rydle maybe?).
On February 14 2015 03:34 Kenpark wrote: Decent gameplan and execution by Giants, but their players are just too weak. Solo lanes seem kinda fine but duo and jungle got to be the worst in EU LCS BY FAR.
Werlyb actually found a champ he's not terrible on this game!
But yea, Pepinero really the only LCS-quality player on this team (Rydle maybe?).
The struggle of pepi is that afaik he's one of the main reason giants is Spanish only because of weak English. So he's basically stuck with Spaniards destined to struggle forever, he should start a support group with czaru.
Some interesting skillorder observations: 1. Pepinero maxes Charm 2nd for the higher duration, personally not a fan because it sacrifices a lot of dmg from foxfire. 2. Forgiven goes W 2nd on Lucian. Havent played the champ in a long time but last time I remember e second was standard but he probably likes the higher burst dmg.
Still odd though from forgiven, W doesn't have AD ratios and the level scaling doesn't seem that good compared to getting literal free dashes at max rank E.
On February 14 2015 03:41 AsnSensation wrote: Some interesting skillorder observations: 1. Pepinero maxes Charm 2nd for the higher duration, personally not a fan because it sacrifices a lot of dmg from foxfire. 2. Forgiven goes W 2nd on Lucian. Havent played the champ in a long time but last time I remember e second was standard but he probably likes the higher burst dmg.
Well forgiven also picks lucian which isn't standart.W is useless imo but it doesn't really matter what he does.
On February 14 2015 03:41 AsnSensation wrote: Some interesting skillorder observations: 1. Pepinero maxes Charm 2nd for the higher duration, personally not a fan because it sacrifices a lot of dmg from foxfire. 2. Forgiven goes W 2nd on Lucian. Havent played the champ in a long time but last time I remember e second was standard but he probably likes the higher burst dmg.
Well forgiven also picks lucian which isn't standart.W is useless imo but it doesn't really matter what he does.
yeah quick check on probuilds shows that most pros still max E second, but I guess it works for him.
On February 14 2015 03:34 Kenpark wrote: Decent gameplan and execution by Giants, but their players are just too weak. Solo lanes seem kinda fine but duo and jungle got to be the worst in EU LCS BY FAR.
Werlyb actually found a champ he's not terrible on this game!
But yea, Pepinero really the only LCS-quality player on this team (Rydle maybe?).
The struggle of pepi is that afaik he's one of the main reason giants is Spanish only because of weak English. So he's basically stuck with Spaniards destined to struggle forever, he should start a support group with czaru.
Wasn't Czaru speaking pretty okay English, lol. Or do I have random holes in memory.
On February 14 2015 03:34 Kenpark wrote: Decent gameplan and execution by Giants, but their players are just too weak. Solo lanes seem kinda fine but duo and jungle got to be the worst in EU LCS BY FAR.
Werlyb actually found a champ he's not terrible on this game!
But yea, Pepinero really the only LCS-quality player on this team (Rydle maybe?).
The struggle of pepi is that afaik he's one of the main reason giants is Spanish only because of weak English. So he's basically stuck with Spaniards destined to struggle forever, he should start a support group with czaru.
Wasn't Czaru speaking pretty okay English, lol. Or do I have random holes in memory.
Czaru can speak english, I remember he tried out for a neo-millenium squad. But now he struggles in Poland like peppi is in Spain
Rydle is such a... soloQ player. That's really how I can describe him, he often seems out of sync and is just trying to make some big play that never happens. His positioning is always so forward and in lane he seems to be more interested in fishing for hooks than trading well with adryh.
On February 14 2015 04:01 Ansibled wrote: I can't wait to see Forgiven against international competition. Can you imagine Rekkles in this game instead? I still fail to understand his hype.
If Rekkles played like Forgiven, he would be better than Forgiven.
People keep deluding themselves that this might happen at some point in the future.
On February 14 2015 04:01 Ansibled wrote: I can't wait to see Forgiven against international competition. Can you imagine Rekkles in this game instead? I still fail to understand his hype.
He was just fooling around this game. But ye nrated will get exploited vs international competition. Forgiven is the real deal though imo.
On February 14 2015 04:04 TitusVI wrote: I'm a bad person for always cheering against elements?
I think everyone but wonder hates elements anyway
After all their team consists of trash top no champion pool, the literal worst jungler ever, trashmid no roam only farm, carried by lomostar and a player worse than 7 dada7s
On February 14 2015 04:01 Ansibled wrote: I can't wait to see Forgiven against international competition. Can you imagine Rekkles in this game instead? I still fail to understand his hype.
If Rekkles played like Forgiven, he would be better than Forgiven.
People keep deluding themselves that this might happen at some point in the future.
It's just really sad how Elements got Rekkles which I feel doesn't solve their problems but only enhances them. It's hard to be a fan of a team that never evolves.
Thorin likes them and that's like 10000000 random people liking them :>
Forg1ven is making nRated look good and having bad support isn't as bad as having bad mid so if SK do bad internationally, I think it will be about 1) eastern teams exposing their strategy 2) wards > brains 3) Fox trips and falls 4) wonder was right about svenskeren all along.
On February 14 2015 04:10 Radoq wrote: I dont see one person on Elements that you can cheer for. I only see huge egos.
Shook has no ego completely, it's just hard to imagine guy with ego following Froggen for 1,5 years in every step.
Unless Wickd starts to get some priorities in Elements's pick/ban shitfest, they're going to suffer.
On February 14 2015 04:10 AlterKot wrote: Thorin likes them and that's like 10000000 random people liking them :>
Forg1ven is making nRated look good and having bad support isn't as bad as having bad mid so if SK do bad internationally, I think it will be about 1) eastern teams exposing their strategy 2) wards > brains 3) Fox trips and falls 4) wonder was right about svenskeren all along.
If fourth thing never happens, I'm scared that whole proevolutionscene thread is going to make laugh of me :<
On February 14 2015 04:13 AlterKot wrote: Off-Topic taught me that Euros are cancer and don't get offended by anything so I'm excited for how he manages to get himself banned this time.
Say EU, migrants or Poland in the UK and you'll get the bois proper offended.
If H2K makes worlds and they play in the UK I'm pretty sure we're gonna have to kick odoamne out. Gotta protect our jobs ya know
On February 14 2015 04:10 AlterKot wrote: Thorin likes them and that's like 10000000 random people liking them :>
Forg1ven is making nRated look good and having bad support isn't as bad as having bad mid so if SK do bad internationally, I think it will be about 1) eastern teams exposing their strategy 2) wards > brains 3) Fox trips and falls 4) wonder was right about svenskeren all along.
If fourth thing never happens, I'm scared that whole proevolutionscene thread is going to make laugh of me :<
It's okay I don't laugh at your EU opinions, I got plenty of random skillshot eating to laugh at.
Elements at least have motivated players that will change the team around. So there is hope. They prob end like 4-5 this split, get new top and support and still be the best team come worlds or at least make it to worlds.
I really want Gambit to win this, just come out of nowhere and return to form. Please Gambit, make yourselves that same team I fell in love with so long ago.
On February 14 2015 04:22 DNeon wrote: I really want Gambit to win this, just come out of nowhere and return to form. Please Gambit, make yourselves that same team I fell in love with so long ago.
I want that too, to deliver the wake-up slap Elements needs.
Ok Gambit, just play safe, wait til very late game and then use superior poke to get the objective. Relatively short range from El means that it shouldn't be so hard to keep your turrets as long as you don't get caught.
If only there was an ADC, maybe a female one. What she'd do you see here is that she'd have this ult and this ult when used would make her team speed up, like maybe allow her team to engage.
On February 14 2015 05:15 Fusilero wrote: So why exactly were elements sieging with graves when they had a lead instead of setting up picks with double wall/rumble
This team is dumb as bricks. Whenever you wonder why they do or don't do something just remember that.
Elements has always been bad at understanding the game and every roster change they've ever done has not helped that. The team only had a bit of brainpower when krepo was with them.
Likee seriously, this game they literally picked a comp that could only be successful if the enemy team walks up to them. They got no poke, no siege, and mediocre pick. Lacking hard cc too. Their one engage in j4 was useless vs literally the whole of GMB. Then they fuck around the first 20 minutes like they always do and wait to get outscaled and outflanked.
At this point EL's entire game plan rests on the other team fucking up, and if they dont, well rough, maybe next game.
On February 14 2015 05:19 AlterKot wrote: Deficio + Pira might actually be my favorite casting duo in League. I'm glad at least one good thing came from Riot killing Chinese esports.
On February 14 2015 05:19 AlterKot wrote: Deficio + Pira might actually be my favorite casting duo in League. I'm glad at least one good thing came from Riot killing Chinese esports.
RIP Frosk Queen :'(
OK so for whatever reason I didn't want to admit it but I didn't like her casting all that much. She's part of two talk shows so it's all fine though.
On February 14 2015 05:19 AlterKot wrote: Deficio + Pira might actually be my favorite casting duo in League. I'm glad at least one good thing came from Riot killing Chinese esports.
Wouldnt go as far as favourite but they are pretty good together.
When they dove top tower in early game he gave up kill for no reason as he overcomitted. Got caught when EL sieged inhib tower and was about to win wich lead to team getting aced. Ulted Nidalee at dragon and got himself killed without doing anything which lead to dragon and baron for Gambit. Ulted Kalista in top jungle without doing anything as she instantly jumped out. Finally at nexus defense jumped in and died without doing anything as his team was not close at all.
On February 14 2015 05:22 Redox wrote: This was just laughable play from Shook all game.
When they dove top tower in early game he gave up kill for no reason as he overcomitted. Got caught when EL sieged inhib tower and was about to win wich lead to team getting aced. Ulted Nidalee at dragon and got himself killed without doing anything which lead to dragon and baron for Gambit. Ulted Kalista in top jungle without doing anything as she instantly jumped out. Finally at nexus defense jumped in and died without doing anything as his team was not close at all.
To be fair, there was no one he really could have ulted later in the game, while being useful. Seriously outpicked
On February 14 2015 05:22 Redox wrote: This was just laughable play from Shook all game.
When they dove top tower in early game he gave up kill for no reason as he overcomitted. Got caught when EL sieged inhib tower and was about to win wich lead to team getting aced. Ulted Nidalee at dragon and got himself killed without doing anything which lead to dragon and baron for Gambit. Ulted Kalista in top jungle without doing anything as she instantly jumped out. Finally at nexus defense jumped in and died without doing anything as his team was not close at all.
That's Shook though. He'll be trash for 70% of the games then a god in the 30%.
On February 14 2015 05:22 Redox wrote: This was just laughable play from Shook all game.
When they dove top tower in early game he gave up kill for no reason as he overcomitted. Got caught when EL sieged inhib tower and was about to win wich lead to team getting aced. Ulted Nidalee at dragon and got himself killed without doing anything which lead to dragon and baron for Gambit. Ulted Kalista in top jungle without doing anything as she instantly jumped out. Finally at nexus defense jumped in and died without doing anything as his team was not close at all.
To be fair, there was no one he really could have ulted later in the game, while being useful. Seriously outpicked
Please. Just because you have no good ult targets you dont have to randomly jump into the enemy team and die.
On February 14 2015 05:22 Redox wrote: This was just laughable play from Shook all game.
When they dove top tower in early game he gave up kill for no reason as he overcomitted. Got caught when EL sieged inhib tower and was about to win wich lead to team getting aced. Ulted Nidalee at dragon and got himself killed without doing anything which lead to dragon and baron for Gambit. Ulted Kalista in top jungle without doing anything as she instantly jumped out. Finally at nexus defense jumped in and died without doing anything as his team was not close at all.
he played pretty bad but to be fair 3/5 members of Gambit could jump out of his ult really easily and Thresh can also escape his ult via Kalista ult. So really the only member of Gambit that couldn't escape J4 ult is Morg, but even she's bad target cause of Zhonyas.
Elements biggest issue is pick ban.I have yet to see a game in which they dont get outpicked hard.Is there really nobody who competent enough to make them at leastnot lose it so hard?
I doubt EL really "prepare" comps. They seem center around what each player wants to play. Rekkles gets Graves constantly, Shook gets whatever he's not trash on and then Froggen just picks what he wants forcing Wickd to some random shit.
On February 14 2015 05:27 Gorsameth wrote: The ability of professional teams to pick a comp that cannot fight unless their opponents screw up never stops amazing me.
Surely at some point when preparing comps someone has to answer the question "how do we start a fight?"
You do not always have to start a fight. EL comp was very good at controling and taking objectives. At some point opponent has to come to you if he doesnt want to concede 5 dragons. One problem was that Shook wanted to start fights no matter what all on his own.
On February 14 2015 05:19 AlterKot wrote: Deficio + Pira might actually be my favorite casting duo in League. I'm glad at least one good thing came from Riot killing Chinese esports.
RIP Frosk Queen :'(
OK so for whatever reason I didn't want to admit it but I didn't like her casting all that much. She's part of two talk shows so it's all fine though.
On February 14 2015 05:27 Gorsameth wrote: The ability of professional teams to pick a comp that cannot fight unless their opponents screw up never stops amazing me.
Surely at some point when preparing comps someone has to answer the question "how do we start a fight?"
You do not always have to start a fight. EL comp was very good at controling and taking objectives. At some point opponent has to come to you if he doesnt want to concede 5 dragons. One problem was that Shook wanted to start fights no matter what all on his own.
But then you are giving the opponent the chance to get their stun and picks off.
Unless your going for super heavy poke comp (which this wasn't) your going to need some form of reliable engage or your playing at the whims of the other team.
Fnatic left CW with ever possible power pick they could want. That CW passed on Gnar is bizzarre to me, they could've lissandra/gnar/j4/sivir/annie and just gone full wrecking crew. Graves and Cass are fine as well. Fnatic just taking their Rengar-centric comp and hoping they'll outplay a CW that got basically everything
I was pretty uninspired by Freeze's chalenger career but I also kept saying that it's criminal he couldn't find an LCS team for such a long time so I guess I can say I always knew he's good :> ? Also people who say CW should've gotten Gnar are forgetting who's CW's toplaner lol
On February 14 2015 05:54 Numy wrote: Fnatic what are you doing...
Having bad lanes and Rengar? How dare they be behind, holy moly.
Febiven not going for Azir is going to cost them this game. And actually, it almost confirms SK to Katowice, Forg1ven and crew can even lose to Fnatic, just need to win other game next week.
On February 14 2015 05:54 Numy wrote: Fnatic what are you doing...
Having bad lanes and Rengar? How dare they be behind, holy moly.
Febiven not going for Azir is going to cost them this game. And actually, it almost confirms SK to Katowice, Forg1ven and crew can even lose to Fnatic, just need to win other game next week.
On February 14 2015 05:54 Numy wrote: Fnatic what are you doing...
Having bad lanes and Rengar? How dare they be behind, holy moly.
Well that has nothing to do with re-engaging 2v4 then Feb flashing in for the J4 kill.
Even if they didn't do it, they were already almost out of this game. If Febiven went for Azir, RO got other cat with Corgi first lock going bot, Fnatic would have won at first dragon, instead just get roflstomped.
On February 14 2015 05:56 Ansibled wrote: Forg1ven vs PraY (and hopefully Doublelift).
I am so hyped.
Styz is gonna unlock his potential and make weixiao proud at Katowice I promise
Please for the love of all that is holy let the NA and EU teams not get rocked by a lower-tier chinese team. EU and NA would just look SO bad if that happened
On February 14 2015 05:56 Ansibled wrote: Forg1ven vs PraY (and hopefully Doublelift).
I am so hyped.
Styz is gonna unlock his potential and make weixiao proud at Katowice I promise
Please for the love of all that is holy let the NA and EU teams not get rocked by a lower-tier chinese team. EU and NA would just look SO bad if that happened
~4th - 8th place KR depending on who you asked rocked NA and EU last year, so why not 11th place CN this year :D
On February 14 2015 05:56 Ansibled wrote: Forg1ven vs PraY (and hopefully Doublelift).
I am so hyped.
Styz is gonna unlock his potential and make weixiao proud at Katowice I promise
Please for the love of all that is holy let the NA and EU teams not get rocked by a lower-tier chinese team. EU and NA would just look SO bad if that happened
~4th - 8th place KR depending on who you asked rocked NA and EU last year, so why not 11th place CN this year :D
I can accept KT Bullets, given that Korea last year was arguably the strongest any region has ever been relative to the rest of the world. The LPL is an excellent league right now but cmon, its not last years OGN and WE have yet to win a single series!
I know EU and NA arent great but can we not be COMPLETE laughingstocks?
On February 14 2015 05:56 Ansibled wrote: Forg1ven vs PraY (and hopefully Doublelift).
I am so hyped.
Styz is gonna unlock his potential and make weixiao proud at Katowice I promise
Please for the love of all that is holy let the NA and EU teams not get rocked by a lower-tier chinese team. EU and NA would just look SO bad if that happened
~4th - 8th place KR depending on who you asked rocked NA and EU last year, so why not 11th place CN this year :D
I for one greatly enjoy the salt of the NA/EU fans
Chokenhagen wolves are panicking. They have no idea what to do with this leave so they're letting the game reach the point where Fnatic can win one teamfight and then win the game.
Rekkles has never hard carried his team 1v5 after everyone else on his team fails. He is really good at capitalizing (aka stealing kills) when his team is ahead and is non-existent when behind.
My personal litmus test of if a player is fit to be an elite carry is if he can, in the face of all adversity and feeding teammates, still manage to squeeze out a win. As much as I dislike Froggen he has done that before. Rekkles? Never.
It's so sad to watch vardags when he plays like this. Pretty sure he missed or cancelled his autoattack that last fight so he ended up moving forward right into mym burst
Well, credit where it's due, MYM is being decisive vs. UOL which is good vs. this kind of comp. Too many teams just sit there and eat poke and never just yolo go for it.
MYM didn't even get super amazing engages, they just all went for it and it worked out. Too often teams are obsessed with waiting for the perfect engage and end up losing all objectives/HP before the opportunity comes up.
On February 14 2015 07:34 nafta wrote: Also this game is a very good example why graves is played.Most fights he literally does nothing except press r and he still does very good damage.
Graves is only played in west because of low skill ceiling. It's easy to be useful, even if you're a mediocre ADC. in a region where there are relevant ADC's (like China+Korea), Graves is rarely played.
On February 14 2015 07:34 nafta wrote: Also this game is a very good example why graves is played.Most fights he literally does nothing except press r and he still does very good damage.
Graves is only played in west because of low skill ceiling. It's easy to be useful, even if you're a mediocre ADC. in a region where there are relevant ADC's (like China+Korea), Graves is rarely played.
On February 14 2015 07:33 Radoq wrote: LOL I have no words for Vardags.
I believe the words are "get better".
I believe it's actually 'and here is your replacement, Tabzz'
UoL are like the c9 of EU. They essentially came up together, and I doubt he will be replaced any time soon.
RIP Gilius.
Yeaaaaaa... Gilius wasn't actually their original jungler either. Their main jungler Dan or something couldn't play because he wanted to focus on school. UoL went into LCS with their jungler still undecided.
I sincerely hope Vardags shapes up as uol is a fun team to watch. I don't know if he goes on tilt, or just doesn't react to different things fast enough.
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