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On January 07 2015 16:08 RussianReady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:57 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:51 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 15:42 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:26 Letmelose wrote:On January 07 2015 15:11 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 14:45 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
the ohq hype started before the preseason.
I'm not talking about hype, but the Ohq hype started with the Xenics Storm at Winter 2013-2014. And then died down when they failed to make in out of groups in the next Champions with NJBS. I'm referencing their most recent performances, Ohq and Cain are a top tier combo in Korea. They ca get ahead and can snowball games, while Bang and Wolf are a consistent lane which is what SKT needs. i know that, and that was part of my argument. them carrying games due to snowballing will leave a greater impression, but this produces bias. in terms of raw laning skill they are not better than bang and wolf at all. teamfighting i'll call it even, but bang has the better environment. On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
i think part of it is that monte probably really hates how skt s plays so the wolf bang lane isn't all that hyped. bang has died a total of like 5 times in the entire preseason or thereabout.
I don't think so, SKT S had a play style like CLG.Eu they just wanted to survive to the point of late game and win through superior team-fighting. Bang and Wolf has no reason to be hyped imo. Its a consistent lane that will go even. monte hates how skt s doesn't take objectives and fights while given advantage. it is true bang and wolf are the best part of that team but that becomes muted when all you hear about skt s is how passive they are. the botlane is actually very capable of aggressive play and has a very high mechanical skill level. I liked the tremendous strength Bang and Wolf have shown last year, but you're doing Easyhoon a disservice here. The team lived and died with him, and there's literally no one better doing what he does in my opinion. He was the biggest reason why SK Telecom T1 S was relevant in the scene despite having H0R0. i'm not saying he's not good. he's really good at the zone control and killing creep thing. but that is pretty limited. I think Easyhoon and Horo were a major part in SKT S success, Marin felt was really hit and miss and hadn't reached his carry potential. Bang and Wolf were consistent, I wouldn't say they were a major factor in them winning or losing in most games, they went even in the majority of matches and tried to scale. I guess I'm discrediting them when they picked losing matchups and went even or slightly behind, but they also went that way when they had winning matchups. The bottom lane reminds me of Cop. They were a middle of the pack bot lane and their strength was being consistent horo was really really bad. you can't possibly compare bang to cop. i have no words for this I think that most of the junglers in the competitive scene that can only perform on Lee Sin are meant to fail really hard if they don't get the fucking monk. That's why Horo looked like crap.
I think that the bare minimum requirement to be a pro jungler in Korea is to be able to play Lee Sin 
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If Faker plays most likely the set will go to SKT. But hey who knows hopefully Najin starts Ohq and he can put on his big boy carry pants. SKT Fighting!
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On January 07 2015 15:57 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:51 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 15:42 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:26 Letmelose wrote:On January 07 2015 15:11 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 14:45 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
the ohq hype started before the preseason.
I'm not talking about hype, but the Ohq hype started with the Xenics Storm at Winter 2013-2014. And then died down when they failed to make in out of groups in the next Champions with NJBS. I'm referencing their most recent performances, Ohq and Cain are a top tier combo in Korea. They ca get ahead and can snowball games, while Bang and Wolf are a consistent lane which is what SKT needs. i know that, and that was part of my argument. them carrying games due to snowballing will leave a greater impression, but this produces bias. in terms of raw laning skill they are not better than bang and wolf at all. teamfighting i'll call it even, but bang has the better environment. On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
i think part of it is that monte probably really hates how skt s plays so the wolf bang lane isn't all that hyped. bang has died a total of like 5 times in the entire preseason or thereabout.
I don't think so, SKT S had a play style like CLG.Eu they just wanted to survive to the point of late game and win through superior team-fighting. Bang and Wolf has no reason to be hyped imo. Its a consistent lane that will go even. monte hates how skt s doesn't take objectives and fights while given advantage. it is true bang and wolf are the best part of that team but that becomes muted when all you hear about skt s is how passive they are. the botlane is actually very capable of aggressive play and has a very high mechanical skill level. I liked the tremendous strength Bang and Wolf have shown last year, but you're doing Easyhoon a disservice here. The team lived and died with him, and there's literally no one better doing what he does in my opinion. He was the biggest reason why SK Telecom T1 S was relevant in the scene despite having H0R0. i'm not saying he's not good. he's really good at the zone control and killing creep thing. but that is pretty limited. I think Easyhoon and Horo were a major part in SKT S success, Marin felt was really hit and miss and hadn't reached his carry potential. Bang and Wolf were consistent, I wouldn't say they were a major factor in them winning or losing in most games, they went even in the majority of matches and tried to scale. I guess I'm discrediting them when they picked losing matchups and went even or slightly behind, but they also went that way when they had winning matchups. The bottom lane reminds me of Cop. They were a middle of the pack bot lane and their strength was being consistent horo was really really bad. you can't possibly compare bang to cop. i have no words for this
You're ignoring team synergy between EasyHoon and H0RO (im an idiot). They were scary honestly. the second half is true tho. Cop is no where near as good as Bang.
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On January 07 2015 16:24 re.Pratus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:57 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:51 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 15:42 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:26 Letmelose wrote:On January 07 2015 15:11 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 14:45 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
the ohq hype started before the preseason.
I'm not talking about hype, but the Ohq hype started with the Xenics Storm at Winter 2013-2014. And then died down when they failed to make in out of groups in the next Champions with NJBS. I'm referencing their most recent performances, Ohq and Cain are a top tier combo in Korea. They ca get ahead and can snowball games, while Bang and Wolf are a consistent lane which is what SKT needs. i know that, and that was part of my argument. them carrying games due to snowballing will leave a greater impression, but this produces bias. in terms of raw laning skill they are not better than bang and wolf at all. teamfighting i'll call it even, but bang has the better environment. On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
i think part of it is that monte probably really hates how skt s plays so the wolf bang lane isn't all that hyped. bang has died a total of like 5 times in the entire preseason or thereabout.
I don't think so, SKT S had a play style like CLG.Eu they just wanted to survive to the point of late game and win through superior team-fighting. Bang and Wolf has no reason to be hyped imo. Its a consistent lane that will go even. monte hates how skt s doesn't take objectives and fights while given advantage. it is true bang and wolf are the best part of that team but that becomes muted when all you hear about skt s is how passive they are. the botlane is actually very capable of aggressive play and has a very high mechanical skill level. I liked the tremendous strength Bang and Wolf have shown last year, but you're doing Easyhoon a disservice here. The team lived and died with him, and there's literally no one better doing what he does in my opinion. He was the biggest reason why SK Telecom T1 S was relevant in the scene despite having H0R0. i'm not saying he's not good. he's really good at the zone control and killing creep thing. but that is pretty limited. I think Easyhoon and Horo were a major part in SKT S success, Marin felt was really hit and miss and hadn't reached his carry potential. Bang and Wolf were consistent, I wouldn't say they were a major factor in them winning or losing in most games, they went even in the majority of matches and tried to scale. I guess I'm discrediting them when they picked losing matchups and went even or slightly behind, but they also went that way when they had winning matchups. The bottom lane reminds me of Cop. They were a middle of the pack bot lane and their strength was being consistent horo was really really bad. you can't possibly compare bang to cop. i have no words for this You're ignoring team synergy between EasyHoon and H0RO. They were scary honestly. the second half is true tho. Cop is no where near as good as Bang.
Never said he was as good, I said he was as cosistant
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On January 07 2015 16:24 re.Pratus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:57 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:51 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 15:42 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:26 Letmelose wrote:On January 07 2015 15:11 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 14:45 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
the ohq hype started before the preseason.
I'm not talking about hype, but the Ohq hype started with the Xenics Storm at Winter 2013-2014. And then died down when they failed to make in out of groups in the next Champions with NJBS. I'm referencing their most recent performances, Ohq and Cain are a top tier combo in Korea. They ca get ahead and can snowball games, while Bang and Wolf are a consistent lane which is what SKT needs. i know that, and that was part of my argument. them carrying games due to snowballing will leave a greater impression, but this produces bias. in terms of raw laning skill they are not better than bang and wolf at all. teamfighting i'll call it even, but bang has the better environment. On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
i think part of it is that monte probably really hates how skt s plays so the wolf bang lane isn't all that hyped. bang has died a total of like 5 times in the entire preseason or thereabout.
I don't think so, SKT S had a play style like CLG.Eu they just wanted to survive to the point of late game and win through superior team-fighting. Bang and Wolf has no reason to be hyped imo. Its a consistent lane that will go even. monte hates how skt s doesn't take objectives and fights while given advantage. it is true bang and wolf are the best part of that team but that becomes muted when all you hear about skt s is how passive they are. the botlane is actually very capable of aggressive play and has a very high mechanical skill level. I liked the tremendous strength Bang and Wolf have shown last year, but you're doing Easyhoon a disservice here. The team lived and died with him, and there's literally no one better doing what he does in my opinion. He was the biggest reason why SK Telecom T1 S was relevant in the scene despite having H0R0. i'm not saying he's not good. he's really good at the zone control and killing creep thing. but that is pretty limited. I think Easyhoon and Horo were a major part in SKT S success, Marin felt was really hit and miss and hadn't reached his carry potential. Bang and Wolf were consistent, I wouldn't say they were a major factor in them winning or losing in most games, they went even in the majority of matches and tried to scale. I guess I'm discrediting them when they picked losing matchups and went even or slightly behind, but they also went that way when they had winning matchups. The bottom lane reminds me of Cop. They were a middle of the pack bot lane and their strength was being consistent horo was really really bad. you can't possibly compare bang to cop. i have no words for this You're ignoring team synergy between EasyHoon and H0RO. They were scary honestly. the second half is true tho. Cop is no where near as good as Bang.
Im an idiot. ignore post
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On January 07 2015 16:24 re.Pratus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:57 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:51 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 15:42 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 15:26 Letmelose wrote:On January 07 2015 15:11 oneofthem wrote:On January 07 2015 14:45 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
the ohq hype started before the preseason.
I'm not talking about hype, but the Ohq hype started with the Xenics Storm at Winter 2013-2014. And then died down when they failed to make in out of groups in the next Champions with NJBS. I'm referencing their most recent performances, Ohq and Cain are a top tier combo in Korea. They ca get ahead and can snowball games, while Bang and Wolf are a consistent lane which is what SKT needs. i know that, and that was part of my argument. them carrying games due to snowballing will leave a greater impression, but this produces bias. in terms of raw laning skill they are not better than bang and wolf at all. teamfighting i'll call it even, but bang has the better environment. On January 07 2015 14:07 oneofthem wrote:
i think part of it is that monte probably really hates how skt s plays so the wolf bang lane isn't all that hyped. bang has died a total of like 5 times in the entire preseason or thereabout.
I don't think so, SKT S had a play style like CLG.Eu they just wanted to survive to the point of late game and win through superior team-fighting. Bang and Wolf has no reason to be hyped imo. Its a consistent lane that will go even. monte hates how skt s doesn't take objectives and fights while given advantage. it is true bang and wolf are the best part of that team but that becomes muted when all you hear about skt s is how passive they are. the botlane is actually very capable of aggressive play and has a very high mechanical skill level. I liked the tremendous strength Bang and Wolf have shown last year, but you're doing Easyhoon a disservice here. The team lived and died with him, and there's literally no one better doing what he does in my opinion. He was the biggest reason why SK Telecom T1 S was relevant in the scene despite having H0R0. i'm not saying he's not good. he's really good at the zone control and killing creep thing. but that is pretty limited. I think Easyhoon and Horo were a major part in SKT S success, Marin felt was really hit and miss and hadn't reached his carry potential. Bang and Wolf were consistent, I wouldn't say they were a major factor in them winning or losing in most games, they went even in the majority of matches and tried to scale. I guess I'm discrediting them when they picked losing matchups and went even or slightly behind, but they also went that way when they had winning matchups. The bottom lane reminds me of Cop. They were a middle of the pack bot lane and their strength was being consistent horo was really really bad. you can't possibly compare bang to cop. i have no words for this You're ignoring team synergy between EasyHoon and H0RO (im an idiot lol). They were scary honestly. the second half is true tho. Cop is no where near as good as Bang.
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On January 07 2015 16:30 oneofthem wrote:
consistently strong yea
We were talking about the time with bot lanes of Imp/Mata, Deft/Heart, Arrow/Hachani and Zefa/Gorilla (Who were slumping hard in champions, although take in mind their gauntlet run which was less than two weeks later)
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Missed a bit of Faker in my life. Can't wait! 
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SKT going to 2-0, MaRin MVP
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Wouldn't mind getting head/heart polls for these like Sc2 does.
Predicting 2-1 SKT unless Faker goes off both games and doesn't have to 1v9. Najin is pretty strong and, currently, SKT's only competition imo. Still, hoping for the Najwin because KT is best KT.
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some1 update the calendar pls, it starts 1h15 mins from now right?
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Any OGN subscribers here? What is the point of staying subscribed? Besides supporting ongamenet of course.
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Tonight will be when faker retakes his throne in korea
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On January 07 2015 16:50 Virus Rex wrote:
Any OGN subscribers here? What is the point of staying subscribed? Besides supporting ongamenet of course.
No news about the VODs system. You might only have access if you keep the sub.
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Any OGN subscribers here? What is the point of staying subscribed? Besides supporting ongamenet of course.
Probably for other games hosted by OGN, but not worth for League of Legends now
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On January 07 2015 16:50 Virus Rex wrote:
Any OGN subscribers here? What is the point of staying subscribed? Besides supporting ongamenet of course.
I think Riot's only purchased the rebroadcast rights, so I think VoDs and live HD are still sub only benefits.
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On January 07 2015 16:40 LilBigBlue wrote:We were talking about the time with bot lanes of Imp/Mata, Deft/Heart, Arrow/Hachani and Zefa/Gorilla (Who were slumping hard in champions, although take in mind their gauntlet run which was less than two weeks later)
They're bottom lanes of strong teams not necessarily strong bottom lanes.
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On January 07 2015 16:59 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 16:40 LilBigBlue wrote:On January 07 2015 16:30 oneofthem wrote:
consistently strong yea We were talking about the time with bot lanes of Imp/Mata, Deft/Heart, Arrow/Hachani and Zefa/Gorilla (Who were slumping hard in champions, although take in mind their gauntlet run which was less than two weeks later) They're bottom lanes of strong teams not necessarily strong bottom lanes.
Well depends what you view as a strong bot lane. Imp/Mata, Arrow/Hachani were playmamking lanes, most of the time they would get ahead and carry though picks ect. Then you had Zefa/Gorilla and Deft/Heart they would go even in the lane most of the time and carry from team-fights which was Bang and Wolfs style. Deft/Heart and Zefa/Gorilla were arguably better as this and this can be backed by their results.
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![[image loading]](http://www.liquidlegends.net/staff/Fionn/Intro.gif)
Preview of the new intro. Can you tell who they picked through the seizure inducing quick cuts?
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