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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 21 2014 18:41 GMT
#3761
On September 22 2014 03:36 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:30 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:38 ShootAnonymous wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:29 Doctorbeat wrote:
So what are the highlight games of today, missed most of them.

AHQ - EDG game 1
SK - TSM if you want to see clowny things. I legit laughed out loud several times >_>
SSW - EDG if you want to see systematic dominance


I'm not seeing the vod of ahq - EDG :/



ty.

Btw anyone else think Lustboy's been pretty damn good so far? At least compared to the rest of TSM.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 21 2014 18:45 GMT
#3762
On September 22 2014 03:25 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:20 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:40 3 Lions wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:39 AsnSensation wrote:
Who's tsm going to scrim against now going back to korea? Shield and Blue not cause they are in singapore and white's obviously not going to play them. Leaves the chinese teams only.

the CJ, KT, and SKT teams? maybe they're on break though


Will it help on the other side, Samsungs are just on another level from whole Korea in general and Korea don't drop games in general by itself.
Samsung White is arguably even stronger right now than SKT T1 K on peak form in Champions Winter.

Do you think SSW in their current form would win a Korean championship without dropping a game ?


You need to consider that when SKT T1 K were on peak, there were basically only White standing on their way and Blaze got smashed without chance being considered top-2.

If White can avoid Blue in Champions, they can win without dropping a game, on the other hand, they're not that practical as was Faker's team, so they can throw 1-2, so i guess, it's pretty low possibility but they have a chance.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 21 2014 18:46 GMT
#3763
Will a korean team lose a single game to a non korean team?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
September 21 2014 18:53 GMT
#3764
On September 22 2014 03:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Will a korean team lose a single game to a non korean team?

probably not.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 21 2014 18:56 GMT
#3765
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 21 2014 18:56 GMT
#3766
On September 22 2014 03:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Will a korean team lose a single game to a non korean team?

Unlikely. While some players so far have shown that they can hang with the Koreans (Westdoor, holy shit that man broke his back trying to carry), for the most part teams get outskilled on so many positions that it's impossible to overcome even if they have a couple lanes that are equal or better.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
September 21 2014 19:07 GMT
#3767
I'm about 15min into the SK-TSM game. Someone please put together a TSM Amazing compliation from this tournament. His Lee Sin really is blind.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 19:11:16
September 21 2014 19:10 GMT
#3768
After what I've seen from china so far Korea seems pretty invincible, although the Samsung teams a a lot stronger than Najin so mayyyybe
Carrilord has arrived.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 19:28:10
September 21 2014 19:25 GMT
#3769
On September 22 2014 03:45 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:25 Maluk wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:20 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:40 3 Lions wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:39 AsnSensation wrote:
Who's tsm going to scrim against now going back to korea? Shield and Blue not cause they are in singapore and white's obviously not going to play them. Leaves the chinese teams only.

the CJ, KT, and SKT teams? maybe they're on break though


Will it help on the other side, Samsungs are just on another level from whole Korea in general and Korea don't drop games in general by itself.
Samsung White is arguably even stronger right now than SKT T1 K on peak form in Champions Winter.

Do you think SSW in their current form would win a Korean championship without dropping a game ?


You need to consider that when SKT T1 K were on peak, there were basically only White standing on their way and Blaze got smashed without chance being considered top-2.

If White can avoid Blue in Champions, they can win without dropping a game, on the other hand, they're not that practical as was Faker's team, so they can throw 1-2, so i guess, it's pretty low possibility but they have a chance.

White is not stronger then K at their peak, no way. There is no evidence of that.
On September 22 2014 03:56 AlterKot wrote:
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.

Their current support is at similar lvl to Kiwi, so they will not take game of them.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
September 21 2014 19:38 GMT
#3770
On September 22 2014 03:41 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:36 AsnSensation wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:30 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:38 ShootAnonymous wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:29 Doctorbeat wrote:
So what are the highlight games of today, missed most of them.

AHQ - EDG game 1
SK - TSM if you want to see clowny things. I legit laughed out loud several times >_>
SSW - EDG if you want to see systematic dominance


I'm not seeing the vod of ahq - EDG :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbx4LHZNbug&t=11m19s


ty.

Btw anyone else think Lustboy's been pretty damn good so far? At least compared to the rest of TSM.

Dyrus is doing pretty damn well too.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 21 2014 19:44 GMT
#3771
On September 22 2014 04:25 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:45 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:25 Maluk wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:20 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:40 3 Lions wrote:
On September 22 2014 02:39 AsnSensation wrote:
Who's tsm going to scrim against now going back to korea? Shield and Blue not cause they are in singapore and white's obviously not going to play them. Leaves the chinese teams only.

the CJ, KT, and SKT teams? maybe they're on break though


Will it help on the other side, Samsungs are just on another level from whole Korea in general and Korea don't drop games in general by itself.
Samsung White is arguably even stronger right now than SKT T1 K on peak form in Champions Winter.

Do you think SSW in their current form would win a Korean championship without dropping a game ?


You need to consider that when SKT T1 K were on peak, there were basically only White standing on their way and Blaze got smashed without chance being considered top-2.

If White can avoid Blue in Champions, they can win without dropping a game, on the other hand, they're not that practical as was Faker's team, so they can throw 1-2, so i guess, it's pretty low possibility but they have a chance.

White is not stronger then K at their peak, no way. There is no evidence of that.
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:56 AlterKot wrote:
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.

Their current support is at similar lvl to Kiwi, so they will not take game of them.

Please, that's an insult to Kiwikid.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 21 2014 20:01 GMT
#3772
On September 22 2014 04:07 Sandster wrote:
I'm about 15min into the SK-TSM game. Someone please put together a TSM Amazing compliation from this tournament. His Lee Sin really is blind.


Yeah.... I mean I guess he has put on some pressure, but I can't recall a single Q he landed.

Bjregfson has been a beast, and Dyrus has played well with exception of the first Starhorn game (but I think he wasn't expecting that Rengar).

I do think Lustboy has been their MVP tho.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 21 2014 20:07 GMT
#3773
On September 22 2014 04:25 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 03:56 AlterKot wrote:
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.

Their current support is at similar lvl to Kiwi, so they will not take game of them.

First of all, #freecloud

Second of all, gogoing/loveling/cool 3v5 hype.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 21 2014 20:27 GMT
#3774
On September 22 2014 03:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Will a korean team lose a single game to a non korean team?


I expect someone to drop a game, and hey there's even still the possibility of Blue throwing so they don't have to teamkill until the finals, which for Korean eSports wouldn't be unusual.

I could see Shield dropping games, even in groups. I think both Alliance and C9 could be threatening and besides Watch and Dade I don't think the rest of the Korean players have a lot of international experience, which makes me think that random shit can indeed happen. Blue is obviously stronger in general and the sister team of White, so my bet is on Shield. But hey, it's just a pretty random expectation by me tbh, I don't have any deep sophisticated analysis to make a prediction that is worth something, just my feelings from closely following Shield in OGN.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 21 2014 20:35 GMT
#3775
On September 22 2014 05:07 AlterKot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 04:25 orzeu wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:56 AlterKot wrote:
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.

Their current support is at similar lvl to Kiwi, so they will not take game of them.

First of all, #freecloud

Second of all, gogoing/loveling/cool 3v5 hype.

Cloud being toxic will go down as one of the most unfortunate things ever in Chinese LoL. I really wish they picked up ahrl or sicca for the squad but sicca had disputes and ahrl is an outcast because he left WE.A so he wouldn't drag them down because he had a GF
Glorious SEA doto
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 21 2014 21:06 GMT
#3776
I dont think najin is behind the Samsung teams at all. Koreans gonna korea next week too
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 21:15:56
September 21 2014 21:15 GMT
#3777
On September 22 2014 06:06 SagaZ wrote:
I dont think najin is behind the Samsung teams at all. Koreans gonna korea next week too


When you have basically 2 competitive lanes instead of 3, it's actually not working against Samsung. It might be ok against Telecoms, Jin Air or IM, but not Samsung.

+ watch has to play out of his mind for Shield to be at least somewhat competent against Samsungs and it rarely happens.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 21:19:25
September 21 2014 21:17 GMT
#3778
The problem with najin is that watch is so up and down, some days he's up there with spirit and dandy and other days he's a jungler whose name starts with R tier and zefa generally trudges in mediocrity except for when he occasionally plays out of his mind. Those two simply lack the consistent top tier play to really put them over the samsungs with confidence.
Thaat being said, their late game decision making is still the best in the world. If they can keep a series in their home turf of the endgame they could do it but white's early aggression and blue's midgame teamfighting imo is just too much for white shield unless the stars align for watch and zefa like they did at regionals
Glorious SEA doto
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
September 21 2014 21:24 GMT
#3779
On September 22 2014 05:35 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 05:07 AlterKot wrote:
On September 22 2014 04:25 orzeu wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:56 AlterKot wrote:
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.

Their current support is at similar lvl to Kiwi, so they will not take game of them.

First of all, #freecloud

Second of all, gogoing/loveling/cool 3v5 hype.

Cloud being toxic will go down as one of the most unfortunate things ever in Chinese LoL. I really wish they picked up ahrl or sicca for the squad but sicca had disputes and ahrl is an outcast because he left WE.A so he wouldn't drag them down because he had a GF

Can someone explain what happened to cloud to me since I dont watch the chinese scene very much? was he banned by LPL or just the team or something?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 21:35:31
September 21 2014 21:35 GMT
#3780
On September 22 2014 06:24 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 05:35 Fusilero wrote:
On September 22 2014 05:07 AlterKot wrote:
On September 22 2014 04:25 orzeu wrote:
On September 22 2014 03:56 AlterKot wrote:
For whatever reason I still believe in OMG and their ability to take a game, either from Blue or Shield.

Their current support is at similar lvl to Kiwi, so they will not take game of them.

First of all, #freecloud

Second of all, gogoing/loveling/cool 3v5 hype.

Cloud being toxic will go down as one of the most unfortunate things ever in Chinese LoL. I really wish they picked up ahrl or sicca for the squad but sicca had disputes and ahrl is an outcast because he left WE.A so he wouldn't drag them down because he had a GF

Can someone explain what happened to cloud to me since I dont watch the chinese scene very much? was he banned by LPL or just the team or something?

So pomelo stepped down from the roster after all-stars, OMG decided to move lovelin back to jungle and they picked up this high ranked soloQ support cloud. Now things started off dandy, cloud played well. He got san fed, they were near the top of LPL and it was all going great. Then OMG lost matches, turns out that cloud didn't handle it that well, infact he was downright cancerous to the team and raged on san all the time and so he had to be removed. Now they had a problem, they needed a new support on short notice, lovelin is jungle now and they had a good thing going there so they took dada back onto the squad, he got caught loads, san lost even more will to live and here we are now with one of the best bots in China becoming one of the worst.
Glorious SEA doto
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