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On April 06 2014 20:45 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 20:26 AsnSensation wrote:
Sneaky is playing so solid pretty much every game and I can't believe people still don't think he's up there with Doublelift& Turtle. Maybe less flashy plays but always doing well and he has never singlehandidly costed his team a game. Arguably his role is easier because he's not expected to be main force behind the team's victories like Doublelift (and Turtle in rare occasions Bjerg isn't carrying), so less pressure and more time to focus on the few things he's expected to do. It's like in EU LCS where guys like Rekkles and Candypanda are so good that even when Forgiven and Tabzz do what their team needs from them, most people agree that the former are better simply because their teams rely on them more, so they have to do all the extra work on top of just going even/ahead in your lane and positioning decently in teamfights.
I am not sure I followed this... Are you saying Sneaky is worse because his team is so much better than the other ADC's teams?
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I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
God damn it, Curse Academy won.
2x20 for LMQ l0l.
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On April 06 2014 21:38 AlterKot wrote:
I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team?
I felt like it was more because he was so unremarkable in his play. Not because of his team. Sneaky takes over games about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 times.
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looking forward to todays eg vs xdg match. may the better one win in glory.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 07 2014 00:24 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 21:38 AlterKot wrote:
I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team? I felt like it was more because he was so unremarkable in his play. Not because of his team. Sneaky takes over games about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 times.
Thing is that Sneaky was playing Ashe and Varus mainly last season, being absolute full utility for C9 while Hai was playing Zed/Kha'Zix/Kennen/Jayce and Balls was rolling with Meteos.
Because of it people tend to think that C9 will live without him ezpz.
Doublelift is doing same right now what Sneaky was doing last season but Liftlift is playing Vayne occassionally and roll with it.
Ofc their botlane << Rush Hour and < WT/Xpecial but other aren't close.
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sneaky is sneaky with his carrying huehue
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On April 07 2014 00:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 00:24 Sleight wrote:On April 06 2014 21:38 AlterKot wrote:
I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team? I felt like it was more because he was so unremarkable in his play. Not because of his team. Sneaky takes over games about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 times. Thing is that Sneaky was playing Ashe and Varus mainly last season, being absolute full utility for C9 while Hai was playing Zed/Kha'Zix/Kennen/Jayce and Balls was rolling with Meteos. Because of it people tend to think that C9 will live without him ezpz. Doublelift is doing same right now what Sneaky was doing last season but Liftlift is playing Vayne occassionally and roll with it. Ofc their botlane << Rush Hour and < WT/Xpecial but other aren't close.
That is a joke right? You can't actually claim SneakyNation aren't playing as well as TurtleSpecial. Rush hour is a distinct #1 but Sneaky is leagues above WT in stats.
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On April 07 2014 01:24 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 00:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 07 2014 00:24 Sleight wrote:On April 06 2014 21:38 AlterKot wrote:
I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team? I felt like it was more because he was so unremarkable in his play. Not because of his team. Sneaky takes over games about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 times. Thing is that Sneaky was playing Ashe and Varus mainly last season, being absolute full utility for C9 while Hai was playing Zed/Kha'Zix/Kennen/Jayce and Balls was rolling with Meteos. Because of it people tend to think that C9 will live without him ezpz. Doublelift is doing same right now what Sneaky was doing last season but Liftlift is playing Vayne occassionally and roll with it. Ofc their botlane << Rush Hour and < WT/Xpecial but other aren't close. That is a joke right? You can't actually claim SneakyNation aren't playing as well as TurtleSpecial. Rush hour is a distinct #1 but Sneaky is leagues above WT in stats.
Who fucking cares about stats?
It's like saying that kda is only thing which can be used to prove that you're godlike.
Sneaky has 1,5:1 kills to Doublelift, it doesn't mean that Sneaky is going ham and Doublelift is just passive farming.
WT is carrying hard this season because if Bjergsen fails, he can't trust in Dyrus/TOO to carry.
And Sneaky has Balls, Hai and Meteos, who just smash every early/mid game, and when they fail, C9 typically fall as well.
Sneaky right now is like Yellowpete in CLG.EU when there was Froggen, then there was Wickd, and only then there was Yellowpete in farm priorities.
And Yellowpete was holding same numbers in OGN to what Sneaky has right now.
And Lemon. When he plays good, he plays good. But if he starts to fail, then C9.Prime botlane is like C9.EU botlane when Voidle and Hjarnan just go onto ultimate feed mission if they failed early.
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On April 07 2014 01:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 01:24 Sleight wrote:On April 07 2014 00:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 07 2014 00:24 Sleight wrote:On April 06 2014 21:38 AlterKot wrote:
I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team? I felt like it was more because he was so unremarkable in his play. Not because of his team. Sneaky takes over games about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 times. Thing is that Sneaky was playing Ashe and Varus mainly last season, being absolute full utility for C9 while Hai was playing Zed/Kha'Zix/Kennen/Jayce and Balls was rolling with Meteos. Because of it people tend to think that C9 will live without him ezpz. Doublelift is doing same right now what Sneaky was doing last season but Liftlift is playing Vayne occassionally and roll with it. Ofc their botlane << Rush Hour and < WT/Xpecial but other aren't close. That is a joke right? You can't actually claim SneakyNation aren't playing as well as TurtleSpecial. Rush hour is a distinct #1 but Sneaky is leagues above WT in stats. Who fucking cares about stats? It's like saying that kda is only thing which can be used to prove that you're godlike. Sneaky has 1,5:1 kills to Doublelift, it doesn't mean that Sneaky is going ham and Doublelift is just passive farming. WT is carrying hard this season because if Bjergsen fails, he can't trust in Dyrus/TOO to carry. And Sneaky has Balls, Hai and Meteos, who just smash every early/mid game, and when they fail, C9 typically fall as well. Sneaky right now is like Yellowpete in CLG.EU when there was Froggen, then there was Wickd, and only then there was Yellowpete in farm priorities. And Yellowpete was holding same numbers in OGN to what Sneaky has right now. And Lemon. When he plays good, he plays good. But if he starts to fail, then C9.Prime botlane is like C9.EU botlane when Voidle and Hjarnan just go onto ultimate feed mission if they failed early.
TSM fanboys have a majestic nature to their denialism. It is such a wonderful thing to behold. Now, let's observe as their favorite players really aren't at fault for unimpressive performances...
Stats are more meaningful when the teams are virtually identical in terms of record. CLG's stats are trash because they were trash for half the season.
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On April 07 2014 02:01 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 01:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 07 2014 01:24 Sleight wrote:On April 07 2014 00:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 07 2014 00:24 Sleight wrote:On April 06 2014 21:38 AlterKot wrote:
I'm saying Sneaky doesn't get as much credit as Doublelift or Turtle because his performance isn't as important to the team's victory as that of afromentioned players. His role isn't as important as that of Lift's or Turtle's, so he has smaller shoes to fit. It's easier for him to fulfill his role than for guys like Double who is expected to carry his team (and often does so), whereas Sneaky is one of the least important members of his team as the ones making plays are usually Meteos and Balls. Therefore, I don't think his performance is strong enough to say he's as good as Lift and Turtle.
Remember when Chaox called himself the best ADC in NA and after he left the team, everyone said that it's easy to be a good ADC on the best team? I felt like it was more because he was so unremarkable in his play. Not because of his team. Sneaky takes over games about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 times. Thing is that Sneaky was playing Ashe and Varus mainly last season, being absolute full utility for C9 while Hai was playing Zed/Kha'Zix/Kennen/Jayce and Balls was rolling with Meteos. Because of it people tend to think that C9 will live without him ezpz. Doublelift is doing same right now what Sneaky was doing last season but Liftlift is playing Vayne occassionally and roll with it. Ofc their botlane << Rush Hour and < WT/Xpecial but other aren't close. That is a joke right? You can't actually claim SneakyNation aren't playing as well as TurtleSpecial. Rush hour is a distinct #1 but Sneaky is leagues above WT in stats. Who fucking cares about stats? It's like saying that kda is only thing which can be used to prove that you're godlike. Sneaky has 1,5:1 kills to Doublelift, it doesn't mean that Sneaky is going ham and Doublelift is just passive farming. WT is carrying hard this season because if Bjergsen fails, he can't trust in Dyrus/TOO to carry. And Sneaky has Balls, Hai and Meteos, who just smash every early/mid game, and when they fail, C9 typically fall as well. Sneaky right now is like Yellowpete in CLG.EU when there was Froggen, then there was Wickd, and only then there was Yellowpete in farm priorities. And Yellowpete was holding same numbers in OGN to what Sneaky has right now. And Lemon. When he plays good, he plays good. But if he starts to fail, then C9.Prime botlane is like C9.EU botlane when Voidle and Hjarnan just go onto ultimate feed mission if they failed early. TSM fanboys have a majestic nature to their denialism. It is such a wonderful thing to behold. Now, let's observe as their favorite players really aren't at fault for unimpressive performances... Stats are more meaningful when the teams are virtually identical in terms of record. CLG's stats are trash because they were trash for half the season.
You're calling me a TSM fanboy? I'm sad that i can't report it l0l.
CLG's stats are way better than last season and season before and whole year before.
Meanwhile, this bug is way older than Aatrox's one :D
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What the fuck, multiple times at worlds the glitch happened to benny which cost vulcan some pretty big losses. That was worlds and nothing. Now CLG gets the glitch in a match that doesn't matter and shen is disabled? Fuck everything.
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On April 07 2014 02:22 Fusilero wrote:
What the fuck, multiple times at worlds the glitch happened to benny which cost vulcan some pretty big losses. That was worlds and nothing. Now CLG gets the glitch in a match that doesn't matter and shen is disabled? Fuck everything.
But no remake, wait.
Riot?
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Most likely CLG actually declined a remake, rito said they remade SK vs gambit because SK neither declined or accepted a remake.
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On April 06 2014 09:59 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th You're underestimating how important all the other players on SKT are imo. For example Bengi sets up so many of the kills for the team (iirc in the article I wrote for Worlds Review he sets up like 80+% of the early game kills and most of them aren't even mid lane kills).
You are underestimating how good Faker is.
He went 20-0 as Riven mid in NA SOLO QUEUE. He's an absolute BEAST.
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On April 07 2014 02:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 02:22 Fusilero wrote:
What the fuck, multiple times at worlds the glitch happened to benny which cost vulcan some pretty big losses. That was worlds and nothing. Now CLG gets the glitch in a match that doesn't matter and shen is disabled? Fuck everything. But no remake, wait. Riot?
I think it's funnier that Shen got banned when this is a known bug that's been around for over a year now I believe.
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On April 07 2014 02:30 Fusilero wrote:
Most likely CLG actually declined a remake, rito said they remade SK vs gambit because SK neither declined or accepted a remake.
They actually didn't give SK a choice. They just forced a RM. This time... I dunno. That shen bug is so old news. Notice how Balls never has a problem with it? Just don't start spaming E prior to TPing. That is the trigger for the bug as I remember it from last year.
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What bug is that ? I don't remember
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On April 07 2014 02:38 RouaF wrote:
What bug is that ? I don't remember
If you spam taunt enough you can sometimes accidentally cancel your shen ult. It happened to nien yesterday when dexter tried to flank with the kha'zix submarine combo
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On April 07 2014 02:38 RouaF wrote:
What bug is that ? I don't remember
Nien "canceled" his ult and didn't join the fight. " " because you can't actually intentional cancel but only thanks to a bug which has been around for years.
WP Rito.
imagine the shitstorm if clg wasn't actualyl locked in for 3rd and this happened in a playoff game and they ask for a remake at 40minutes into the game while being a good chunk of gold down.
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