EPTWas the first game good? Worth catching the re-run?
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
Was the first game good? Worth catching the re-run? | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
On April 04 2014 20:59 Dan HH wrote: This scenario is impossible, Prime cannot qualify so one of the SKT teams will. Also this isn't even about actual matchfixing, it's about limiting incentives and suspicions of matchfixing with some very simple measures that most competitions have used for a crapload of years already. Even if S gave their all today, at some point with this format whether it's next week or in 10 years, there will be a case where a team will drop a game because it's better for their sister team. I think he refers to the fact they would get DQed for match fixing. | ||
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ParadeofMadness
United Kingdom1027 Posts
On April 04 2014 20:57 supernovamaniac wrote: Tell me why I shouldn't get salty when people are making serious accusations without clear evidence, and try to witch hunt people out of the scene. funny did you even watch the game? horo half-hearted engages on wukong horo standing still for half a second on second game drake fight easyhoon missing ori ults wolf missing annie ults horo and wolf going for blue invade in game 2, prime flanked from bot tri bush that was warded by skt, took them 2 seconds to react marin giving fb as shyv vs jax in 1v1, jax has tele you look at today, and you look at every game skt s has played, no one would be able to tell same team played if you hid the names. The most hilarious thing was prime didnt play that good, sure in one of their game their strat was unique, but they all made indiviudal mistakes and weird teamfights. Their Leona missed more ults than she hit lol | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 20:59 Dan HH wrote: This scenario is impossible, Prime cannot qualify so one of the SKT teams will. Also this isn't even about actual matchfixing, it's about limiting incentives and suspicions of matchfixing with some very simple measures that most competitions have used for a crapload of years already. Even if S gave their all today, at some point with this format whether it's next week or in 10 years, there will be a case where a team will drop a game because it's better for their sister team. Living with paranoia for 10 years or more isn't the best decision i have to say. On April 04 2014 21:02 ParadeofMadness wrote: funny did you even watch the game? horo half-hearted engages on wukong horo standing still for half a second on second game drake fight easyhoon missing ori ults wolf missing annie ults horo and wolf going for blue invade in game 2, prime flanked from bot tri bush that was warded by skt, took them 2 seconds to react marin giving fb as shyv vs jax in 1v1, jax has tele you look at today, and you look at every game skt s has played, no one would be able to tell same team played if you hid the names. The most hilarious thing was prime didnt play that good, sure in one of their game their strat was unique, but they all made indiviudal mistakes and weird teamfights. Their Leona missed more ults than she hit lol It's not first time of Beelzehan and Easyhoon choking hard. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 04 2014 20:59 Dan HH wrote: This scenario is impossible, Prime cannot qualify so one of the SKT teams will. Also this isn't even about actual matchfixing, it's about limiting incentives and suspicions of matchfixing with some very simple measures that most competitions have used for a crapload of years already. Even if S gave their all today, at some point with this format whether it's next week or in 10 years, there will be a case where a team will drop a game because it's better for their sister team. Exactly my point. This just looks really bad right now -.- On April 04 2014 20:57 supernovamaniac wrote: Tell me why I shouldn't get salty when people are making serious accusations without clear evidence, and try to witch hunt people out of the scene. Yeah you cannot say that there was matchfixing involved and it stupid to be like " uh sure they threw today", but what is even more stuoid is a system where stuff like this can happen. I mean what do you expect? It doesn't get more suspicious than what happened today imo | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:02 ParadeofMadness wrote: funny did you even watch the game? horo half-hearted engages on wukong horo standing still for half a second on second game drake fight easyhoon missing ori ults wolf missing annie ults horo and wolf going for blue invade in game 2, prime flanked from bot tri bush that was warded by skt, took them 2 seconds to react marin giving fb as shyv vs jax in 1v1, jax has tele you look at today, and you look at every game skt s has played, no one would be able to tell same team played if you hid the names. The most hilarious thing was prime didnt play that good, sure in one of their game their strat was unique, but they all made indiviudal mistakes and weird teamfights. Their Leona missed more ults than she hit lol horo standing still beacuse he's trying to steal drake easyhoon didn't really miss ori ults, except the one where he panic ulted because he got dived on by 4 people wolf didn't miss any annie ults, the only "miss" was when zetnjin spellshielded at the right time to defend it marin underestimated jax because he had no ignite am i saying they played perfect? no. s has already shown they're a rollercoaster in how well they play. sometimes they're on and sometimes they're off. apparently players can't tilt or have misplays without being accused of match-fixing? jesus. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:02 ParadeofMadness wrote: funny did you even watch the game? horo half-hearted engages on wukong horo standing still for half a second on second game drake fight easyhoon missing ori ults wolf missing annie ults horo and wolf going for blue invade in game 2, prime flanked from bot tri bush that was warded by skt, took them 2 seconds to react marin giving fb as shyv vs jax in 1v1, jax has tele you look at today, and you look at every game skt s has played, no one would be able to tell same team played if you hid the names. The most hilarious thing was prime didnt play that good, sure in one of their game their strat was unique, but they all made indiviudal mistakes and weird teamfights. Their Leona missed more ults than she hit lol Yeah then I guess SKT K threw against KT A, because I couldnt tell if it was SKT K playing that game. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: Exactly my point. This just looks really bad right now -.- Go join Riot then and argue that every KeSPA organisation has to have only 1 team instead of 2. It will help Korean LoL for sure. On April 04 2014 21:07 supernovamaniac wrote: Yeah then I guess SKT K threw against KT A, because I couldnt tell if it was SKT K playing that game. If Casper played instead of non-trained Pooh, we could have been saved from those stupid accusations in match-fixing by SKT T1. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:02 ParadeofMadness wrote: funny did you even watch the game? horo half-hearted engages on wukong horo standing still for half a second on second game drake fight easyhoon missing ori ults wolf missing annie ults horo and wolf going for blue invade in game 2, prime flanked from bot tri bush that was warded by skt, took them 2 seconds to react marin giving fb as shyv vs jax in 1v1, jax has tele you look at today, and you look at every game skt s has played, no one would be able to tell same team played if you hid the names. The most hilarious thing was prime didnt play that good, sure in one of their game their strat was unique, but they all made indiviudal mistakes and weird teamfights. Their Leona missed more ults than she hit lol No, just no. First, none of what you described happened the way you're framing it(or at all), second, emotions don't lie(except in people that are trained to do it), and those S players looked genuinely broken up about losing their guaranteed playoff spot. Apparently they all took some acting lessons while they were practicing how to lose on purpose without looking like they were losing on purpose. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
+ the fact about the points, K going to Allstars and stuff. Stop it already. SKT S just came in way too confident and Prime wanted to prove they were on the level, here comes your upset. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:02 QuixoticO wrote: Ah, no I thought it would be a 3-way tie-break. The repercussions for SKT1 matchfixing are far more worse than just a DQ though. It's really really bad for the scene to accuse one of the most prestigious organizations for matchfixing. It's really silly. I think he refers to the fact they would get DQed for match fixing. Koreans aren't robots who play perfectly every game. Even the best implode in high pressure situations. | ||
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urasyupi2
United States810 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9129 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:07 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Go join Riot then and argue that every KeSPA organisation has to have only 1 team instead of 2. It will help Korean LoL for sure. This is a false dichotomy, those aren't the only options. It would be very simple to offer group stage protection like in UCL and keep sister teams but make it so they can't be in the same group | ||
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:11 urasyupi2 wrote: Hm, just me or does it look like Hanlabong is wearing pajamas? its the prime plaid pajama pants. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:07 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Go join Riot then and argue that every KeSPA organisation has to have only 1 team instead of 2. It will help Korean LoL for sure. Did i even say this has to be done? I actually don't like this solution either, but if you have a group stage where things like this can happen there is obviously something wrong with the system | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:12 Dan HH wrote: This is a false dichotomy, those aren't the only options. It would be very simple to offer group stage protection like in UCL and keep sister teams but make it so they can't be in the same group I bet, playing sister teams is WAY HARDER than playing other teams. And not only because they know your playstyle and stuff from inside but because they have relationships between them. And what the fuck is the difference between playing sister team in groupstage and in playoffs if you suspect them in anything? If you're not accusing them in matchfixing with irrefutable evidence, then just stop it. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:12 Dan HH wrote: This is a false dichotomy, those aren't the only options. It would be very simple to offer group stage protection like in UCL and keep sister teams but make it so they can't be in the same group If there is a problem, its within the organizations having multiple teams. The Champions system was made so that everyone has equal chance, and everyone is treated the same. If they keep sister teams out, that is already catering to those organizations that has multiple teams in individual tournament. If this was a problem, BW and SC2 tournaments should've kept players from same team away from each other instead of having stupid group selections. Which also gives some players tons of advantage, especially for players within same team because they are not stressed about the fact that they have to teamkill during group stages. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On April 04 2014 21:14 The_Red_Viper wrote: Did i even say this has to be done? I actually don't like this solution either, but if you have a group stage where things like this can happen there is obviously something wrong with the system I don't think it's problematic. If you have two sister teams that can practice together, they have an advantage over teams so it's just a fair thing they'll then face the risk of having one team beating the other. | ||
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