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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:52:10
February 16 2014 21:51 GMT
#1181
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 16 2014 21:51 GMT
#1182
meteos is everywhere
Bronze player stuck in platinum
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 16 2014 21:52 GMT
#1183
Why Cruzer stay toplane? that gank was telegraphed..
liftlift > tsm
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 16 2014 21:52 GMT
#1184
yeah, rest of dignitas gonna make veigar pick irrelevant
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 16 2014 21:52 GMT
#1185
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?

It's actually pretty rare to land the W on Veigar, the only reason to get some points in it is for wave clear, the teamfight presence of the E is much more important.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#1186
On February 17 2014 06:51 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:49 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 Lylat wrote:
Scarra doesn't farm with q ?

did you not read the AMA? tehre was a veigar only player in NA that did an AMA, pretty much said "don't farm with Q early on, it's a noob trap". Just harrass with it, just grab the AP farm with it when the enemy laner is gone.

Yeah I thought I heard that long time ago but couldn't remember, thanks


basically becasue W is virtually impossible to hit on a champion without 2 points in stun, casting Q tell them "I can't do anything if you attack me now"
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#1187
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?

W has a huge AP ratio anyway, and you won't hit it if you don't put more levels into E because the stun won't last long enough.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#1188
On February 17 2014 06:51 Nos- wrote:
meteos is everywhere


I feel like c9 does this lvl 6-7 gank 2v1 top gank every game and they get the kill everytime.
phathom321
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:59:33
February 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#1189
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?

Doesn't veigar's W have a 1.0 ap ratio? I'd be my guess that with a ratio so high the damage it gets from extra points isn't very good in comparison to the extra AP from kills with his Q or extra stun duration from E.
"Dying in the line of duty is heroic, but dying while unemployed is just stupid." -L
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#1190
Okay, crumbzz, that was impressive.
liftlift > tsm
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
February 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#1191
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?


It does but if people get tenacity you will not hit e into w without a maxed e In addition to that Veigars E is one of the best non ultimate CCs in the whole game, its crazy good
lol acc: Entenzwerg EUW http://www.twitch.tv/Entenzwerg league of legends stream (challenger EuW)
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
February 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#1192
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?

I feel like Ws strong AP scaling and tough time actually hitting it make additional points in it... errr... pointless
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
February 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#1193
Man if Qt hadn't derped the laning phase so hard this would be a pretty good position for dig.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#1194
C9 borked this gank by popping Sivir's shield, it gave him the mana to use his ult and survive.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#1195
Worst game I've been by qtpie.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#1196
qtpie, why are you even that far in lane without kiwi? like wut the fuck.
Vlat, plz. slap some commonsense in!
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
February 16 2014 21:55 GMT
#1197
On February 17 2014 06:53 Ente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?


It does but if people get tenacity you will not hit e into w without a maxed e In addition to that Veigars E is one of the best non ultimate CCs in the whole game, its crazy good

2.5s stun. Longer than Fiddle fear and Rammus taunt, and those are single target.

Morg binding is the only thing longer (I believe), and it isn't AoE.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
February 16 2014 21:55 GMT
#1198
On February 17 2014 06:53 Ente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?


It does but if people get tenacity you will not hit e into w without a maxed e In addition to that Veigars E is one of the best non ultimate CCs in the whole game, its crazy good


Wow, a lot of people responded. Thanks for the response.
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:56:58
February 16 2014 21:55 GMT
#1199
A different idea about Veigar, you should be able to insta stun pantheon when he ults in + lategame he could oneshot Mundo the more I think about it the more sense that pick makes

Edit: scratch the Mundo part I am retarded mundo is in his team
lol acc: Entenzwerg EUW http://www.twitch.tv/Entenzwerg league of legends stream (challenger EuW)
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
February 16 2014 21:56 GMT
#1200
On February 17 2014 06:55 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:53 Ente wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:
So speaking of veigar. I was randomly watching Scarra's stream, and he seems to max E(event horizon) second rather than getting one or two more points into the W(dark matter) earlier and somewhat splitting it up. He had only 1 point in W for the majority of the game. I looked up veigar on probuilds.net, and it showed the same pattern by scarra(He gets his second point of W at level 14). Is there a reason for that? I don't quite understand why he chooses to max E over W(that is aside from Level 5 event horizon being a full second longer stun duration). My question being, doesn't it delays veigar's damage by a lot?


It does but if people get tenacity you will not hit e into w without a maxed e In addition to that Veigars E is one of the best non ultimate CCs in the whole game, its crazy good

2.5s stun. Longer than Fiddle fear and Rammus taunt, and those are single target.

Morg binding is the only thing longer (I believe), and it isn't AoE.

Ashe arrow is (potentially) Longer
lol acc: Entenzwerg EUW http://www.twitch.tv/Entenzwerg league of legends stream (challenger EuW)
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