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Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
February 16 2014 21:15 GMT
#1021
On February 17 2014 06:14 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:12 Redox wrote:
So for real now, is there any chance that there will be a roster change on XDG mid season? A new jungler might do a lot for them. They could also get a new ad and put Xmithie in jungle again.


Zuna is like, brother of the manager or something? I don't keep up with the internal workings of team but I seem to recall reading it recently.

his brother is the coach
TSM
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 16 2014 21:15 GMT
#1022
On February 17 2014 06:14 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:12 Redox wrote:
So for real now, is there any chance that there will be a roster change on XDG mid season? A new jungler might do a lot for them. They could also get a new ad and put Xmithie in jungle again.


Zuna is like, brother of the manager or something? I don't keep up with the internal workings of team but I seem to recall reading it recently.

Brother of the coach, I don't think he actually has that much control over the roster so it's just full retard.
Glorious SEA doto
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 16 2014 21:15 GMT
#1023
On February 17 2014 06:13 Ente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:11 Chicane wrote:
I can't help but think Zekent would be doing better....

At least Dominate is continuing to show why he is a better jungler than Saint, so I'm glad he kept his position.

While I dont know the exact thought process/how correct it is the reasoning for swapping in saint for zekent was not because they thought that Saint is the better support. The argument was that the shotcalling was bad and Saint used to be their shotcaller.

And great shotcalling is more important than a better support


I guess I just have to assume his shotcalling was good, because I always knew Saint as the guy who would dive in way ahead of his team and die when they were behind. He had a very bad tendency of suiciding when he was jungling for them.

Their shotcalling also doesn't seem to have improved to be honest, but perhaps it is more definitive. I guess if they feel it is worth having Saint over Zekent then they really feel it is working (though they only just started playing with him recently so maybe they are still trying it out).
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 16 2014 21:15 GMT
#1024
On February 17 2014 06:15 Haasts wrote:
Can't load the stream, and as much as I'm enjoying the plaintive suffering in LR, would someone be able to give me a quick update on gold/kills/towers/&c? <3

even in turrets at 5. Crs up 15-7 kills. Crs up 67K-61K gold
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:16:33
February 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#1025
Curse won?
LOL
Better to watch JD-HerO.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:17:18
February 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#1026
Thank god this game is over. The other 3 can't be as bad. Can't be.

ps: dat zuna farm
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
February 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#1027
On February 17 2014 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If only they had Zekent Crs would've ended 10 minutes ago

it's like people can't fucking listen.
no one is claiming saint is a better support player than zekent.
people can't seem to understand that they sacrificed support skills for ingame shotcalling.


can you honestly say that CRS shotcalling has improved enough to justify the change though? if they had good shotcalling these games would be infinitely cleaner.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#1028
Stop playing gragas mancloud
Glorious SEA doto
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
February 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#1029
mancloud's positioning was horrible wtf
TSM
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1030
I'm not even happy with that win.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1031
Cop the god with a solid game. Voyboy getting carried hard and questionable pick/laningphase. Almost feels like he went for vlad because he has sustain/manaless because he wasn't confident in his laningphase. Well better than his spirit visage / merctreads vlad game vs Cloud 9.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1032
On February 17 2014 06:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Curse won?
LOL
Better to watch JD-HerO.


It's awesome matchups like that which makes me wish I still had an interest in SC2.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1033
On February 17 2014 06:16 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If only they had Zekent Crs would've ended 10 minutes ago

it's like people can't fucking listen.
no one is claiming saint is a better support player than zekent.
people can't seem to understand that they sacrificed support skills for ingame shotcalling.


can you honestly say that CRS shotcalling has improved enough to justify the change though? if they had good shotcalling these games would be infinitely cleaner.

better shotcalling != good shotcalling.
liftlift > tsm
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:18:35
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1034
Voyboy dives deep into the teamfight and dies, but he takes Mancloud all of XDG down with him.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1035
On February 17 2014 06:17 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm not even happy with that win.


40 minutes of pain
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1036
On February 17 2014 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If only they had Zekent Crs would've ended 10 minutes ago

it's like people can't fucking listen.
no one is claiming saint is a better support player than zekent.
people can't seem to understand that they sacrificed support skills for ingame shotcalling.
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:14 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:11 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:11 Zato-1 wrote:
Vlad with Rylai's is scary


I really hate the Liandry's though. I really don't like that item.

It's a lot of damage, like A LOT of damage, especially on olaf and trundle.

also, WTF SAINT.


Of course it's a lot of damage, but it's DoT and current health damage. Unless you are poking with your spells, you don't usually get much out of it. IMO it's better to just build more AP.

the fights are going to start lasting a very long time, gunna make voyboy do a lot of damage with that liandries.


See, the problem is that he is Vladimir. That last fight, for example, despite being very ahead he only lived for that long (he even had Zhonya's).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1037
Like I've been saying. Mancloud's mid and late game have always been this horrible.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 16 2014 21:18 GMT
#1038
On February 17 2014 06:17 Zato-1 wrote:
Voyboy dives deep into the teamfight and dies, but he takes Mancloud the rest of XDG down with him.

Did Voy even get his ult of? Did not see it.
Off-season = best season
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
February 16 2014 21:18 GMT
#1039
On February 17 2014 06:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:16 Woony wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If only they had Zekent Crs would've ended 10 minutes ago

it's like people can't fucking listen.
no one is claiming saint is a better support player than zekent.
people can't seem to understand that they sacrificed support skills for ingame shotcalling.


can you honestly say that CRS shotcalling has improved enough to justify the change though? if they had good shotcalling these games would be infinitely cleaner.

better shotcalling != good shotcalling.


sure but I don't see a huge improvement tbh
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 21:19:26
February 16 2014 21:18 GMT
#1040
St.V gunna be the next Yolostar imo.
Tons of deaths in first split.
then turn into a god support late on.
On February 17 2014 06:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If only they had Zekent Crs would've ended 10 minutes ago

it's like people can't fucking listen.
no one is claiming saint is a better support player than zekent.
people can't seem to understand that they sacrificed support skills for ingame shotcalling.
On February 17 2014 06:14 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:12 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:11 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:11 Zato-1 wrote:
Vlad with Rylai's is scary


I really hate the Liandry's though. I really don't like that item.

It's a lot of damage, like A LOT of damage, especially on olaf and trundle.

also, WTF SAINT.


Of course it's a lot of damage, but it's DoT and current health damage. Unless you are poking with your spells, you don't usually get much out of it. IMO it's better to just build more AP.

the fights are going to start lasting a very long time, gunna make voyboy do a lot of damage with that liandries.


See, the problem is that he is Vladimir. That last fight, for example, despite being very ahead he only lived for that long (he even had Zhonya's).

Voyboy did that fight so fucking poorly, he pooled at 100% health, like a tard.
But if he fights correctly, he would be doing like tons of damage with that liandries.
On February 17 2014 06:18 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:16 Woony wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:13 SharkStarcraft wrote:
If only they had Zekent Crs would've ended 10 minutes ago

it's like people can't fucking listen.
no one is claiming saint is a better support player than zekent.
people can't seem to understand that they sacrificed support skills for ingame shotcalling.


can you honestly say that CRS shotcalling has improved enough to justify the change though? if they had good shotcalling these games would be infinitely cleaner.

better shotcalling != good shotcalling.


sure but I don't see a huge improvement tbh

calls feel more definitive to me.
liftlift > tsm
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