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Watched all games now as I couldn't catch them live.
NA actually played pretty well apart from awful calls. They need to change the caller or make him get a clue, whoever it is. If it's saintvicious that is pretty much a lost cause, though. That also is why I wouldn't have had SV in the allstar team - TOO would have fit far better imo.
China didn't look that amazing. Looked good but not as good as I expected. PDD was amazing, though. Still, I have my doubts about them being able to defeat Korea here. Korea themselves looked really good, especially Insec. Pray played worse than both DL and WX in my opinion but the rest of the team, especially InSec, was really good.
Europe looked terrible all around. Yellowpete played quite poorly yet he still was the best player in the team in my opinion.
As is it's looking sort of like:
Korea > China >> NA >>>>>>>>>> EU
Oh and Nasus Q -> smite isn't really that good a spike because you can read it so easily. Then again SV isn't exactly a good smiter and he was lower lvl so meh.
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On May 25 2013 01:06 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 00:11 Sermokala wrote:On May 25 2013 00:00 WhiteDog wrote:On May 24 2013 23:53 Mondeezy wrote:
How were the EU vs KR games on a scale of 1 to 10? I'd say 4 or 5, nothing too fancy, and no real tension in the match as, even if early game 1 was in favor of EU, it quickly switched back to KR favor, so it was all decided pretty quickly overall. The only reason you would watch it is for Shy's ryze top lane and one or two insec signature kick. Or if you want to see Alexich pick a useless hero. On May 24 2013 23:33 Reggiegigas wrote:
EU suffered greatly from the language barrier I think. The communication cannot have been anywhere near as crisp as when it's all 5 gambit players for instance.
But regardless, Korea is far superior.
I think NA can beat EU tomorrow for above mentioned reason. Diamond and soaz have been showing good form though so they might carry. Really got a lot of respect for those two after this series. I don't think so at all. Personally I see two reasons for the pick and the way they played : either they thought they had something special with the tryndamere and KR just crushed their hope, or they realised they could not win 0-1 because, to be fair, KR allstar team was just more solid, and decided not to show anything and try again from the loser bracket. You didn't recommend the god level ali play from madlife? Seriously if you ever need one game to show you why he is called god in korea its game 1 with those ali plays. Well, Madlife's alistar was top notch (I said before that him and ambition won that first game), but it's not something that is shiny enough for me to recommend someone watching it. Sure if you like watching a text book support play dominating his lane, why not.
Was there a lane swap in that game? I could really use some VoDs or Alistar duo lane play.
Edit: thx, brb watching.
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On May 25 2013 01:12 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:06 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2013 00:11 Sermokala wrote:On May 25 2013 00:00 WhiteDog wrote:On May 24 2013 23:53 Mondeezy wrote:
How were the EU vs KR games on a scale of 1 to 10? I'd say 4 or 5, nothing too fancy, and no real tension in the match as, even if early game 1 was in favor of EU, it quickly switched back to KR favor, so it was all decided pretty quickly overall. The only reason you would watch it is for Shy's ryze top lane and one or two insec signature kick. Or if you want to see Alexich pick a useless hero. On May 24 2013 23:33 Reggiegigas wrote:
EU suffered greatly from the language barrier I think. The communication cannot have been anywhere near as crisp as when it's all 5 gambit players for instance.
But regardless, Korea is far superior.
I think NA can beat EU tomorrow for above mentioned reason. Diamond and soaz have been showing good form though so they might carry. Really got a lot of respect for those two after this series. I don't think so at all. Personally I see two reasons for the pick and the way they played : either they thought they had something special with the tryndamere and KR just crushed their hope, or they realised they could not win 0-1 because, to be fair, KR allstar team was just more solid, and decided not to show anything and try again from the loser bracket. You didn't recommend the god level ali play from madlife? Seriously if you ever need one game to show you why he is called god in korea its game 1 with those ali plays. Well, Madlife's alistar was top notch (I said before that him and ambition won that first game), but it's not something that is shiny enough for me to recommend someone watching it. Sure if you like watching a text book support play dominating his lane, why not. Was there a lane swap in that game? I could really use some VoDs or Alistar duo lane play.
No, alistar caitlyn vs varus blitzcrank on botlane if I remember well.
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I'm trying to watch the vods but I'm getting no sound on twitch and youtube is only 240p :<
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What stuck with me is the early interview with Alex where Phreak asked Alex who was the all star within the team and Alex just told him that the question was rather rude :D and he would not awnser it. That says alot about a persons carracter to me personaly.
Also NA kinda looked really good unlike EU they seem to have taken this very serieus and actualy prepared like mad, it shows and deserves props.
EU just looked lackluster, game one was oke ish, second not worth the watch.
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Thanks man working well. Forgot about Azubu
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The real question for today is:
Will QTpie eat his socks if + Show Spoiler + NA beats EU?
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I'm at work so can't watch VODs for awhile but people on reddit said that Double outperformed WeiXiao in both games, how true is this?
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On May 25 2013 01:48 overt wrote:
I'm at work so can't watch VODs for awhile but people on reddit said that Double outperformed WeiXiao in both games, how true is this?
He had more cs than weixiao in both games. i cant talk about game 1 because i didnt see whole game but he outperformed weixiao in game 2.
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On May 25 2013 01:48 overt wrote:
I'm at work so can't watch VODs for awhile but people on reddit said that Double outperformed WeiXiao in both games, how true is this?
WeiXiao and XiaoXiao didn't look in sync as FzzF and WeiXiao (tbh WeiXiao isn't even doing as spectacularly in general lately) but I don't know if Double outperformed necessarily since they were in different scenarios both games. Xpecial did outplay XiaoXiao that FB first game.
edit: actually I take that back. In hindsight I do think Double played better those games. The Xpecial/Doublelift pair definitely looked very crisp.
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I'm busy watching game one and Double is def playing better than Wx. Wx is missing ultis and messing up where as Double is for the most part playing well. The call to fight top while he was bot was super retarded but don't know if that was his fault or teams fault. Man the minute Dyrus hits an ulti they do well but he waits until they super behind to do so. Pity Dyrus/Saint played so bad.
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On May 25 2013 01:49 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:48 overt wrote:
I'm at work so can't watch VODs for awhile but people on reddit said that Double outperformed WeiXiao in both games, how true is this? He had more cs than weixiao in both games. i cant talk about game 1 because i didnt see whole game but he outperformed weixiao in game 2.
Think people are a bit quick to jump on that tbh. Doublelift was getting all the sidelane farm in the first game, he actually didn't do amazingly in lane although he didn't lose it hard either in a hard matchup for him.
2nd game was 2v1 lanes so it's hard to see individual performance from that.
To me it seemed like Doublelift/Xpecial was the only lane that held their own by themselves. Keeping in mind that Xiaoxiao is objectively one of the worse chinese supports I'd rate liftlift and wx about even. Imp is up there too, along with Score's last OGN season (he has been mediocre this season really). I don't know as much about SEA/Chinese ADCs on other teams though so not sure about other contenders but top 3 is probably imp/liftlift/wx yeah. But I wouldn't say one is clearly better than the other 2 atm.
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On May 25 2013 01:56 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:49 Mensol wrote:On May 25 2013 01:48 overt wrote:
I'm at work so can't watch VODs for awhile but people on reddit said that Double outperformed WeiXiao in both games, how true is this? He had more cs than weixiao in both games. i cant talk about game 1 because i didnt see whole game but he outperformed weixiao in game 2. Think people are a bit quick to jump on that tbh. Doublelift was getting all the sidelane farm in the first game, he actually didn't do amazingly in lane although he didn't lose it hard either in a hard matchup for him. 2nd game was 2v1 lanes so it's hard to see individual performance from that. To me it seemed like Doublelift/Xpecial was the only lane that held their own by themselves. Keeping in mind that Xiaoxiao is objectively one of the worse chinese supports I'd rate liftlift and wx about even. Imp is up there too, along with Score's last OGN season (he has been mediocre this season really). I don't know as much about SEA/Chinese ADCs on other teams though so not sure about other contenders but top 3 is probably imp/liftlift/wx yeah. But I wouldn't say one is clearly better than the other 2 atm.
Doublelift was down 19 to 6 in cs and about to be pushed out of lane until Xiao Xiao tried to dive for fb. Then it all snowballed out of control from there. He was also ALWAYS farming sidelanes while WX was taking objectives with his team. Even after the Xiao Xiao firstblood WX was still ahead in cs during the laning phase.
I don't think that doublelift is even with WX, maybe mechanically, but WX has a bigger champion pool and makes MUCH better decisions.
If watching China play in Allstars shows me anything, its that IG.Kid is a pretty damn good player to be able to do solidly, with XiaoXiao as his support.
Also the majority of laning phase is predicated on the support, and XiaoXiao does not mesh as well with WX as Xspecial does with Doublelift.
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Dlift is no where near WX's level. In the straight up 2v2 in the first game he was down 15 cs. In the second game, the only reason why dlift was close was b/c SV camped bot lane so urgot was basically farming an empty lane.
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Hello, I've arrived to make excuses for NA's play. We totally dont suck. Pls address all reality checks to my PO box
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On May 25 2013 02:13 cgrinker wrote:Hello, I've arrived to make excuses for NA's play. We totally dont suck. Pls address all reality checks to my PO box
I say NA is the favorite to beat EU if both teams play at the level they were at today.
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On May 25 2013 02:10 czylu wrote:
Dlift is no where near WX's level. In the straight up 2v2 in the first game he was down 15 cs. In the second game, the only reason why dlift was close was b/c SV camped bot lane so urgot was basically farming an empty lane.
Lol,dbl 1vs 2-3 vs misaya,troll; and wx( ok he is like 2 lvls above two)
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On May 25 2013 02:10 czylu wrote:
Dlift is no where near WX's level. In the straight up 2v2 in the first game he was down 15 cs. In the second game, the only reason why dlift was close was b/c SV camped bot lane so urgot was basically farming an empty lane.
Varus/thresh should beat janna/vayne without too much trouble so that should be expected lol.Some might disagree but imo neither of them did that much the second game.When dlift survived that gank and they killed ryze he didn't really do anything that special(other than land his e on wx but that is more of a mistake on wx's part also it was funny that saint didn't use his locket).In the baron pit he used his ult too late on nasus which is quite a big mistake considering he is just running in a straight line towards it.
The engage on ryze under tower was really bad too but there is no way to know if he did the call or his team told him to engage.
I really hope eu step up though and especially alex .
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NA beats EU 2-1 and gets easily 2-0'd out by Korea. Madlife goes mejais occult and hits 20 stacks at 4 minutes.
Only one of those sentences are wrong.
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