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On May 24 2013 21:13 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:07 silencefc wrote:
I think the KR Allstar team might be stronger than any other KR team, where as every other Allstar team seems weaker than their respective teams. Huh? What gave you this idea?
*Assuming every team mentioned had all of their players (NA vs TSM would mean there are 2 Dyrus and 2 Xspecial).
The impression I got was that both WE and IG seemed stronger than China Allstar team. Both Gambit Gaming and Evil Geniuses seemed stronger than EU Allstar. Dignitas, Curse, and TSM seem stronger than NA Allstar.
There's probably a pool of another ~8 KR players you can swap in and out of the KR Allstar team without making it weaker but KR has their best Jungler and Support with top KR Mid and Top players. Pray is definitely not bad and better than Woong and Locodoco, but Score and Imp may have been better choices.
These are my personal observations without any real evidence so take it with a grain of salt.
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On May 24 2013 21:14 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:12 Alaric wrote:On May 24 2013 21:05 MoonBear wrote:On May 24 2013 21:03 Alaric wrote:On May 24 2013 21:00 Antyee wrote:On May 24 2013 20:56 MoonBear wrote:
Ambition chaining his R-Q is so pretty Yeah. For some reason, the animation reminds me of Yuyuko o.o ?_? Also, that timing is soooo permissive, wtf. Touhou reference haha Yeah but I wasn't sure how I should be reminded of Yuyuko. Because the crescent shape reminds him of her fan? Diana's ult with her Q flowing beside her reminded me of Yuyuko's dashes in soku. I honestly don't know why though.
But Yuyuko's skillset is cool and good-looking as hell! Diana's is good-looking too but everytime I see somebody Q-R like that I minirage inside at the "requirement" of "hitting a skillshot before". :<
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On May 24 2013 21:23 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:21 Keniji wrote:
You could argue that xpeke might have done better than alex, but they have a pretty similiar skill level I'd say. Alex might have played worse than usual, too.
I really hope EU wins vs NA tomorrow so we can see if EU can do better (I don't expect them to win, but to do better at least) or if Korea is just as much on another level as it seemed today. Especially if Alex get outclassed as much again. Especially considering we praise mid as EUs best role by far.
btw. while madlifes blitz was definitely better than edwards, his thresh was on par. I just dont understand the Trynd pick at all, but I was ready at the time to be blown away. Then he rushed bork, dafuq man T_T
well he forced diana out of lane(who surprisingly was very ahead in cs) but at this point ambition switched with ryze who was stomping alex
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I honestly thought that
Flame should've gone in place of Shy, skill wise I think this to be true... I mean Flame has been on another level recently.
But I also thought Insec was weak compared to Helios or Cloudtemplar. After seeing today's games... It made me realize just how good InSec actually was.
I think Ambition is good, but he's not as good as Faker...
Pray... he's alright, not as good as imp though.
But like Imp, Faker, and Insec are all carry type of players. good at mechanics and stuff.
so I am not sure how that team comp would work out.
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On May 24 2013 21:12 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:10 Cubu wrote:
I just realised that NA played better than EU. I mean, at least the game went back and forth for NA vs CN, EU was gradually falling behind as the game went on. To be fair, I usually hate on Dlift, but he fucking played like a boss in the second game.
He got caught a little bit too often alone on the sidelanes in my opinion. Just got safed by the team twice with barely any hp (and died the other time without help). Also the position reverse initiate into the tower was not so smart. Overall he played well, but definitely not "like a boss".
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i voted for flame to represent korea... but even shy delivered
the guy has just been another level recently ... been closely following his probuilds xD
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On May 24 2013 21:33 pindleskin wrote:
i voted for flame to represent korea... but even shy delivered
the guy has just been another level recently ... been closely following his probuilds xD
Where do u see his pro builds?
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On May 24 2013 21:31 thefreed wrote:
I honestly thought that
Flame should've gone in place of Shy, skill wise I think this to be true... I mean Flame has been on another level recently.
But I also thought Insec was weak compared to Helios or Cloudtemplar. After seeing today's games... It made me realize just how good InSec actually was.
I think Ambition is good, but he's not as good as Faker...
Pray... he's alright, not as good as imp though.
But like Imp, Faker, and Insec are all carry type of players. good at mechanics and stuff.
so I am not sure how that team comp would work out.
not sure if trolling or...
Ambition got over 1 year to lose midlane at any tour/broadcast game
Shy is the best team fighter ever played a moba game
Insec is by far the best jungler with deep pool that can adjust to any type of games
I would agree on imp being better than pray but so is cpt.jack or score
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On May 24 2013 21:31 thefreed wrote:
I honestly thought that
Flame should've gone in place of Shy, skill wise I think this to be true... I mean Flame has been on another level recently.
But I also thought Insec was weak compared to Helios or Cloudtemplar. After seeing today's games... It made me realize just how good InSec actually was.
I think Ambition is good, but he's not as good as Faker...
Pray... he's alright, not as good as imp though.
But like Imp, Faker, and Insec are all carry type of players. good at mechanics and stuff.
so I am not sure how that team comp would work out.
TBH almost any Korean ad other than locodoco and woong could've played better than Pray today. He was consistently missing skillshots and being unable to follow up on Madlife's hooks. But its ok, the Chinese team got shafted with voting in XiaoXiao instead of Lovelin or Fzzf. Also Zztai would've been a much better pick in an all-star setting due to his mechanical superiority.
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On May 24 2013 21:35 Loganion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:31 thefreed wrote:
I honestly thought that
Flame should've gone in place of Shy, skill wise I think this to be true... I mean Flame has been on another level recently.
But I also thought Insec was weak compared to Helios or Cloudtemplar. After seeing today's games... It made me realize just how good InSec actually was.
I think Ambition is good, but he's not as good as Faker...
Pray... he's alright, not as good as imp though.
But like Imp, Faker, and Insec are all carry type of players. good at mechanics and stuff.
so I am not sure how that team comp would work out. not sure if trolling or... Ambition got over 1 year to lose midlane at any tour/broadcast game Shy is the best team fighter ever played a moba game Insec is by far the best jungler with deep pool that can adjust to any type of games I would agree on imp being better than pray but so is cpt.jack or score
Nope I am serious.
Ambition is a good player, his consistent. But the new guys that's on the OGN scene especially Faker and Imp. Dude they've been on a whole another level. And if the all star voting was a bit later, like after the finals of ogn. I think they would've been voted all star.
Shy is like the second best, but have you seen flame's play recently? it just looks like his a level higher then Shy these days.
Yeah I didn't think Insec was that good honestly. I mean when I saw his games, sometimes his good, but other times he didn't look like he had much of an impact, but I think it's because his teamates summday and Ryu are also good too.
I would disagree on Cpt Jack or ESPECIALLY score though. I mean they're both meh... Not bad but like not all star potential either.
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Lets be honest, did anyone ever think scarra and saint were up to international level?
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On May 24 2013 21:38 schmutttt wrote:
Lets be honest, did anyone ever think scarra and saint were up to international level?
I thought Saint vicious and double lift did really well today's games. if the other three were on par they would've beat China
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Xpecial did well too don't forget. He pairs well with Doublelift.
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Honestly... same old Saint. Steals all the kills, still can't outsmite anyone even with a level/control advantage, backs in dumb places, and initiates super questionable fights. When is this guy gonna learn? Saint pressures early game far better than anyNA jungler, but everything else... I don't know.
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On May 24 2013 21:46 upperbound wrote:
Honestly... same old Saint. Steals all the kills, still can't outsmite anyone even with a level/control advantage, backs in dumb places, and initiates super questionable fights. When is this guy gonna learn? Saint pressures early game far better than anyNA jungler, but everything else... I don't know.
Actually saint was lower level(12 to 13) even though he was 6/0/3 to 0/3/2.That doesn't really matter though.His smite didn't get used in the fight.Dlift tried to ulti nasus but it was too late.
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Diamond, sadly, hasn't been playing leesin recently so I don't think we're going to see him contest Insec "best leesin World".
To everyone saying NA looks better then EU, CN isn't close to KR level of coordination. Also weird picks from alex and soaz looks like he's still adjusting (didn't he arrive only yesterday?).
On the other hand Shy, Ambition and Pray may not be the best at their respective position but they are really solid so it mashes pretty well in a team where insexygodlife are making plays. I'm not sure how a 5 playmakers KR allstar team would work (sounds scary though)
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On May 24 2013 21:26 silencefc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:13 Letmelose wrote:On May 24 2013 21:07 silencefc wrote:
I think the KR Allstar team might be stronger than any other KR team, where as every other Allstar team seems weaker than their respective teams. Huh? What gave you this idea? *Assuming every team mentioned had all of their players (NA vs TSM would mean there are 2 Dyrus and 2 Xspecial). The impression I got was that both WE and IG seemed stronger than China Allstar team. Both Gambit Gaming and Evil Geniuses seemed stronger than EU Allstar. Dignitas, Curse, and TSM seem stronger than NA Allstar. There's probably a pool of another ~8 KR players you can swap in and out of the KR Allstar team without making it weaker but KR has their best Jungler and Support with top KR Mid and Top players. Pray is definitely not bad and better than Woong and Locodoco, but Score and Imp may have been better choices. These are my personal observations without any real evidence so take it with a grain of salt.
It's only natural that professional teams are superior to randomly assembled teams like these. Professional football teams like Barcelona will always be stronger than national teams like Argentina not because of the individual talents at their disposal, but because they are a well oiled machine whose collective training far exceeds that of the national team. I'm just puzzled why you think the Korean team would be any different since they had a couple of days of practice together at the most.
Details of the practice of each of the regions.
North America: Went 5-3 overall versus Curse Gaming (the jungle position substituted by IWillDominate), so it would be safe to assume that the North American All Stars team is similar to the level of a regular LCS team.
Europe: Went undefeated during their practice sessions versus SK Gaming and Sinners Never Sleep, so it would be safe to assume that the European All Stars team is similar to the level of a top LCS team.
China: The only detail I've heard was that the Chinese All Stars team struggled against OMG, which is understandable since Team WE and Invictus Gaming both struggle against OMG.
Korea: Reach said in his interview that the Korean All Stars scrimmed against Najin, and CJ Entus teams (not sure which ones in particular since some members are said to be on a break), and had a terrible record against them, so it would be safe to assume that the Korean All Stars team is not at the level of an elite OGN The Champions team.
I really don't understand why the Korean All Stars team would be any "better chemistry" or had "more practice" considering the circumstances and the details revealed about the practice methods for each of the regions.
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On May 24 2013 21:38 thefreed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:35 Loganion wrote:On May 24 2013 21:31 thefreed wrote:
I honestly thought that
Flame should've gone in place of Shy, skill wise I think this to be true... I mean Flame has been on another level recently.
But I also thought Insec was weak compared to Helios or Cloudtemplar. After seeing today's games... It made me realize just how good InSec actually was.
I think Ambition is good, but he's not as good as Faker...
Pray... he's alright, not as good as imp though.
But like Imp, Faker, and Insec are all carry type of players. good at mechanics and stuff.
so I am not sure how that team comp would work out. not sure if trolling or... Ambition got over 1 year to lose midlane at any tour/broadcast game Shy is the best team fighter ever played a moba game Insec is by far the best jungler with deep pool that can adjust to any type of games I would agree on imp being better than pray but so is cpt.jack or score Nope I am serious. Ambition is a good player, his consistent. But the new guys that's on the OGN scene especially Faker and Imp. Dude they've been on a whole another level. And if the all star voting was a bit later, like after the finals of ogn. I think they would've been voted all star. Shy is like the second best, but have you seen flame's play recently? it just looks like his a level higher then Shy these days. Yeah I didn't think Insec was that good honestly. I mean when I saw his games, sometimes his good, but other times he didn't look like he had much of an impact, but I think it's because his teamates summday and Ryu are also good too. I would disagree on Cpt Jack or ESPECIALLY score though. I mean they're both meh... Not bad but like not all star potential either.
Faker is to Korea what Pdd is to China. Both are the undisputed king of solo queue in their respective countries. If Korea had Imp and Faker, I wouldn't say they would be on another level, but they definitely would be better, barring team chemistry issues.
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Didnt get to see the games sadly, but from what I hear EU and NA got thrashed? Meh =/
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