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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 24 2013 21:38 thefreed wrote: Nope I am serious. Ambition is a good player, his consistent. But the new guys that's on the OGN scene especially Faker and Imp. Dude they've been on a whole another level. And if the all star voting was a bit later, like after the finals of ogn. I think they would've been voted all star. Shy is like the second best, but have you seen flame's play recently? it just looks like his a level higher then Shy these days. Yeah I didn't think Insec was that good honestly. I mean when I saw his games, sometimes his good, but other times he didn't look like he had much of an impact, but I think it's because his teamates summday and Ryu are also good too. I would disagree on Cpt Jack or ESPECIALLY score though. I mean they're both meh... Not bad but like not all star potential either. I selected Faker as well when I casted my votes, but that was more to do with the fact that I wanted him to make his international debut against famous names like Alex Ich. Ambition does seem to lack a little in split-second trade calculations compared to Faker, but is a godly player himself who has plenty of other attributes to his name. There's a saying amongst Korean Challenger League solo-que players that three mid-laners are to be feared if you see them in the enemy team: Ambition, Crumble Cookies, and Faker. Faker is on fire, but there's almost no disparity in individual skill between him and Ambition. They are around the same level in my opinion, it's just a matter of personal taste. Shy admitted that Flame is on another level to him multitude of times during interviews. I thought Expession would be a better choice when I casted my votes, but Shy said that he overcame his fear of Expession this season, perhaps indicating that Expession is no longer a player he looks up to. inSec is far superior to CloudTemplar and Helios. I really don't rate the junglers from CJ Entus teams highly at all. I think they are amongst the worst players in their team. I like Bengi and Kakao. Kakao on form has the best map awareness and counter-ganking skills in Korea in my opinion. Imp is sick. His mental fortitude is really lacking though, that may be his only weakness. I still rate PraY as the second best AD carry in Korea, I really like how he keeps things together even when things go wrong. Score is a mediocre player, and Cpt Jack was decent back when SBS was his rival, he is no longer relevant in the discussion of world-class AD carries. There are no AD carries in Korea who can match Imp in terms of mechanics, laning strength, and carrying potential. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
On May 24 2013 21:55 Letmelose wrote: It's only natural that professional teams are superior to randomly assembled teams like these. Professional football teams like Barcelona will always be stronger than national teams like Argentina not because of the individual talents at their disposal, but because they are a well oiled machine whose collective training far exceeds that of the national team. I'm just puzzled why you think the Korean team would be any different since they had a couple of days of practice together at the most. Details of the practice of each of the regions. North America: Went 5-3 overall versus Curse Gaming (the jungle position substituted by IWillDominate), so it would be safe to assume that the North American All Stars team is similar to the level of a regular LCS team. Europe: Went undefeated during their practice sessions versus SK Gaming and Sinners Never Sleep, so it would be safe to assume that the European All Stars team is similar to the level of a top LCS team. China: The only detail I've heard was that the Chinese All Stars team struggled against OMG, which is understandable since Team WE and Invictus Gaming both struggle against OMG. Korea: Reach said in his interview that the Korean All Stars scrimmed against Najin, and CJ Entus teams (not sure which ones in particular since some members are said to be on a break), and had a terrible record against them, so it would be safe to assume that the Korean All Stars team is not at the level of an elite OGN The Champions team. I really don't understand why the Korean All Stars team would be any "better chemistry" or had "more practice" considering the circumstances and the details revealed about the practice methods for each of the regions. Because Insec and Madlife on the same team is disgustingly OP. And I'm not sure how strong of a shot caller IWD is, but isn't SV a pretty critical part of Curse? | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 24 2013 22:33 silencefc wrote: Because Insec and Madlife on the same team is disgustingly OP. And I'm not sure how strong of a shot caller IWD is, but isn't SV a pretty critical part of Curse? The North American All Stars team also had positive records against other LCS teams like Good Game University from what I've read, but I'm not sure. In the end, there's absolutely no reason to suggest that any of the All Stars team are significantly stronger than any of the top level professional teams from the said regions, Korea included. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? The disgustingly over-powered combination of inSec and MadLife you mentioned got destroyed during practice against Korean professional teams (I'm guessing Najin Shield, since they are the only complete team out of the CJ Entus, and Najin teams). This competition says absolutely nothing about the level of professional teams in each of the regions, and not much about the level of individual players since none of them are in optimal conditions. I'm not going to extrapolate much from these games since they mean next to nothing, but it irks me when people assume false things about the Korean team. | ||
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Reggiegigas
234 Posts
But regardless, Korea is far superior. I think NA can beat EU tomorrow for above mentioned reason. Diamond and soaz have been showing good form though so they might carry. Really got a lot of respect for those two after this series. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
Lol yeah same question. I wanted to see what he uses on his Ryze top but there's nothing on Probuilds. | ||
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Serendipityx
United States595 Posts
On May 24 2013 23:53 Mondeezy wrote: How were the EU vs KR games on a scale of 1 to 10? game 2 isn't worth watching, game 1 is close up until like midgame then it starts snowballing. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 24 2013 23:53 Mondeezy wrote: How were the EU vs KR games on a scale of 1 to 10? I'd say 4 or 5, nothing too fancy, and no real tension in the match as, even if early game 1 was in favor of EU, it quickly switched back to KR favor, so it was all decided pretty quickly overall. The only reason you would watch it is for Shy's ryze top lane and one or two insec signature kick. Or if you want to see Alexich pick a useless hero. On May 24 2013 23:33 Reggiegigas wrote: EU suffered greatly from the language barrier I think. The communication cannot have been anywhere near as crisp as when it's all 5 gambit players for instance. But regardless, Korea is far superior. I think NA can beat EU tomorrow for above mentioned reason. Diamond and soaz have been showing good form though so they might carry. Really got a lot of respect for those two after this series. I don't think so at all. Personally I see two reasons for the pick and the way they played : either they thought they had something special with the tryndamere and KR just crushed their hope, or they realised they could not win 0-1 because, to be fair, KR allstar team was just more solid, and decided not to show anything and try again from the loser bracket. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14210 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:00 WhiteDog wrote: I'd say 4 or 5, nothing too fancy, and no real tension in the match as, even if early game 1 was in favor of EU, it quickly switched back to KR favor, so it was all decided pretty quickly overall. The only reason you would watch it is for Shy's ryze top lane and one or two insec signature kick. Or if you want to see Alexich pick a useless hero. I don't think so at all. Personally I see two reasons for the pick and the way they played : either they thought they had something special with the tryndamere and KR just crushed their hope, or they realised they could not win 0-1 because, to be fair, KR allstar team was just more solid, and decided not to show anything and try again from the loser bracket. You didn't recommend the god level ali play from madlife? Seriously if you ever need one game to show you why he is called god in korea its game 1 with those ali plays. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
My bad feeling about EU team is confirmed, I see them losing to NA tomorrow... | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On May 24 2013 23:53 Mondeezy wrote: How were the EU vs KR games on a scale of 1 to 10? On a scale of 1 to 10. They could be rated Lee Sin highlight Reel and Cameo Madlife plays. Shy and Ambition both played solidly. On a side note, I love how people completely downrate NA's play which was in all honesty pretty good (especially compared to EU). Game 1 Saint stealing Baron and NA actually mounting a comeback was pretty cool to watch. (and his spectacular throw at the end =\) Game 2 was actually China not having answers for quite some time before some mechanics issues on a turret dive wrecked NA's momentum. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 25 2013 00:11 Sermokala wrote: You didn't recommend the god level ali play from madlife? Seriously if you ever need one game to show you why he is called god in korea its game 1 with those ali plays. Well, Madlife's alistar was top notch (I said before that him and ambition won that first game), but it's not something that is shiny enough for me to recommend someone watching it. Sure if you like watching a text book support play dominating his lane, why not. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:07 3 Lions wrote: I dunno if anyone noticed, but in Game 2 of NA vs CN the baron actually did its knock-back right after Sona flash-ult'd NA, dunno how that impacted NA's coordination around baron (saint in particular) but I think it definitely was a big factor and really a huge piece of luck for China I don't think it really played a lot. The main problem was that NA was not patient enough and just engaged at the wrong place - under a tower. The baron in itself didn't gave china the win. I'm actually pretty impressed at china and korea's teams ability to play behind. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:07 3 Lions wrote: I dunno if anyone noticed, but in Game 2 of NA vs CN the baron actually did its knock-back right after Sona flash-ult'd NA, dunno how that impacted NA's coordination around baron (saint in particular) but I think it definitely was a big factor and really a huge piece of luck for China They did point out Saint didn't manage to get in range for his frenzy + smite spike whereas Nasus did get in range for his Q + smite spike (which is pretty significant considering Saint was a level down.) In addition, Doublelift (got stunned?) didn't suppress Nasus asap which was their only way of lockout the smite steal tbh. | ||
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