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On April 29 2013 00:45 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 00:33 Shikyo wrote:On April 29 2013 00:30 Redox wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. Yeah lets just look at the last game. People call Ahri bad and peke goes legendary with her against op Khazix. Khazix seriously is not OP anymore. On April 29 2013 00:31 Silvanel wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. I am not saying its Riots fault, there are multiple reasons contributing. I am only disagreeing with the claim that champion pool is very diverse. What would your ideal spread be like? How many different champions do you want being played over 10 times over 112 games? If the game was as balanced as possible, don't you realize that LESS champions would get picked over 10 times in over 112 games? So is your argument that 32 is too many or too few? I would like no champion played/banned over 40% of games.
Does someone has stats about Dota just to compare?
I think both games have the same numbers of heroes? Perhaps less for Dota.
I'm going to try and search.
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^ Dota has less hero variety
On April 29 2013 00:45 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 00:33 Shikyo wrote:On April 29 2013 00:30 Redox wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. Yeah lets just look at the last game. People call Ahri bad and peke goes legendary with her against op Khazix. Khazix seriously is not OP anymore. On April 29 2013 00:31 Silvanel wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. I am not saying its Riots fault, there are multiple reasons contributing. I am only disagreeing with the claim that champion pool is very diverse. What would your ideal spread be like? How many different champions do you want being played over 10 times over 112 games? If the game was as balanced as possible, don't you realize that LESS champions would get picked over 10 times in over 112 games? So is your argument that 32 is too many or too few? I would like no champion played/banned over 40% of games.
Good luck finding a game with 100+ champions where there is even one champion that doesn't deserve a spot in the top 16 60% of the time.
There's intentionally champions that are stable and generally always good, and niche champions that are good for very specific things. Otherwise you might as well have 5v5 blitzcrank only
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Kennen is such a strong pick vs Gambit team comp. Hes gonna stun them all, looking good for Fnatic already. Let's see how Gambit plays this out.
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I would like no champion played/banned in over 40% of games.
That probably would not happen even if champions were perfectly balanced, due to respect bans/picks
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whyyyy this Kennen pick again. Hope he does better than in the first match
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On April 29 2013 00:45 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 00:33 Shikyo wrote:On April 29 2013 00:30 Redox wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. Yeah lets just look at the last game. People call Ahri bad and peke goes legendary with her against op Khazix. Khazix seriously is not OP anymore. On April 29 2013 00:31 Silvanel wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. I am not saying its Riots fault, there are multiple reasons contributing. I am only disagreeing with the claim that champion pool is very diverse. What would your ideal spread be like? How many different champions do you want being played over 10 times over 112 games? If the game was as balanced as possible, don't you realize that LESS champions would get picked over 10 times in over 112 games? So is your argument that 32 is too many or too few? I would like no champion played/banned in over 40% of games.
There will always be one or a few champions that will be picked a lot at least for a certain amount of time. After all this is one of the main factors that determines balancing. You cant nerf champions before they are played a lot.
Also there will always be certain champs en vogue with the players, no matter how balanced they are. And lastly a player only needs a limited number of champs to fulfill his role. Of course he will play again and again what he is good with.
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Shikyo like theres a lot good MOBA games to choose from..... I will keep watching this game since i play it with friends, however i do wish there were more diversity in champions played.
Redox: the problem is most guys play the same champs. I love Anivia bans against froggen, and Draven against Hosan. Diveristy, pleyer dependant bans.
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On April 29 2013 00:47 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 00:45 Silvanel wrote:On April 29 2013 00:33 Shikyo wrote:On April 29 2013 00:30 Redox wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. Yeah lets just look at the last game. People call Ahri bad and peke goes legendary with her against op Khazix. Khazix seriously is not OP anymore. On April 29 2013 00:31 Silvanel wrote:On April 29 2013 00:25 JonGalt wrote:On April 29 2013 00:15 Silvanel wrote:
Yet only 32 champs were selected more than 10 times, some of them almost always Elise = 50 bans and 34 picks, Tresh 42 bans and 43 picks. And among the 49 rest slected most of champs are pretty low like , panth -1 pick, gp 1pick, riven 1-pick vlad 1-pick, trynda-1ban no picks....sivier 1 pick, rengar 1-pick morgana 1-pick, LebLanc 1-pick ,garen 1-pick, corki 1-pick, and so on....
In my book 32/110 is super low. Consider that there are 6 bans and 10 picks and ONLY 32 champs were commonly involved. There were 112 games played....
PS.DATA for LCS EU.
Edit:
Elise banned/picked in 75% of games.
Jarvan 59,8%
Kha 58,9%
Nasus 49,1%
Renekton 50%
Shen 77,7%
Sona 50%
Tresh 67,9%
Xin 52%
Yes same champs are played over and over again.
I'd argue that it's more the fault of the community and players rather than riot. They don't like to experiment often (save for a few). I think there are a lot more champions that are viable, people just don't want to make them work. I am not saying its Riots fault, there are multiple reasons contributing. I am only disagreeing with the claim that champion pool is very diverse. What would your ideal spread be like? How many different champions do you want being played over 10 times over 112 games? If the game was as balanced as possible, don't you realize that LESS champions would get picked over 10 times in over 112 games? So is your argument that 32 is too many or too few? I would like no champion played/banned over 40% of games. Does someone has stats about Dota just to compare? I think both games have the same numbers of heroes? Perhaps less for Dota. I'm going to try and search.
Nyx/Kotl/Magnus are picked or banned in nearly every single match ever, batrider and naix has pretty silly pick/ban rate as well.
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Soaz is slightly fucked in the top lane, somehow it pushed to Genja
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Did they play the third place match?
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It's because balancing 100 different units is pretty different from balancing 2 or 3 or even 40 like some fighting games have(and they are generally imbalanced). The only competition is basically DotA2.
Champions I don't think I've seen in LCS:
Heimerdinger, Karma, Master Yi, Mordekaiser, Poppy, Sion, Swain, Talon
Even if I'm wrong somewhere, that's still quite good and I wouldn't even say any of those champions are totally useless apart from Heimerdinger and Karma.
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God Soaz almost killed one.
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On April 29 2013 00:52 Silvanel wrote:
Shikyo like theres a lot good MOBA games to choose from..... I will keep watching this game since i play it with friends, however i do wish there were more diversity in champions played.
Redox: the problem is most guys play the same champs. I love Anivia bans against froggen, and Draven against Hosan. Diveristy, pleyer dependant bans.
I think we can agree that there should be more bans to force players to learn more different champs.
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Great call on the countergank. Nice strategy there.
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On April 29 2013 01:01 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 00:52 Silvanel wrote:
Shikyo like theres a lot good MOBA games to choose from..... I will keep watching this game since i play it with friends, however i do wish there were more diversity in champions played.
Redox: the problem is most guys play the same champs. I love Anivia bans against froggen, and Draven against Hosan. Diveristy, pleyer dependant bans. I think we can agree that there should be more bans to force players to learn more different champs.
Oh definitely, I would love to have 5 bans per team personally. It would likely help diversify the champion pool significantly with just that.
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On April 29 2013 01:01 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 00:52 Silvanel wrote:
Shikyo like theres a lot good MOBA games to choose from..... I will keep watching this game since i play it with friends, however i do wish there were more diversity in champions played.
Redox: the problem is most guys play the same champs. I love Anivia bans against froggen, and Draven against Hosan. Diveristy, pleyer dependant bans. I think we can agree that there should be more bans to force players to learn more different champs.
disagree, imo they should tone some champions down/buff others and keep 3 bans
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If xPeke doesn't rush Hourglass before haunting guise and boots I ...
Oh lord he got sorc boots ._. I have a bad feeling.
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The danger with having many bans is that players will never get to play their signature champions. It's already bad now but with extra bans we'll never see Froggen on Anivia, Edward on Thresh etc
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Soaz just bought 3 longswords again lol
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On April 29 2013 01:06 nafta wrote:
Soaz just bought 3 longswords again lol
It's so frustrating going back between 1200 and 1300 gold -.-
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