On February 22 2013 14:05 sylverfyre wrote: There were a lot of conflicting calls, too. SV, Chauster, and HSGG would all be trying to make calls, often conflicting. I think chauster will do fine in the jungle, he's in a good position to lead the team, and it's working.
I'm honestly liking CLG's play more now than I have since well before SV left the team. I honestly think HSGG is getting more flak than he deserves. He's not a perfect player, but he's a lot better than people give him credit for, especially in the 1v2 lane situations, and coming out of laning phase with shit farm from a 1v2, which is so common these days.
It's TSM that I think is weak now.
Yeah, haven't watched the CLG/dig game yet but I agree CLG isn't even in that bad of a spot right now. I'd say they are still the second best NA team at the moment. Although if dig keep this up they might move up in my personal rankings. Talk about that dig turn around. Or maybe they were this good and Week 1 was just a fluke.
im sorry but HSGG played absolutely terribly on Galio. The worst point for me wasnt even when he ulted in his base by mstake, the game was pretty much over at that point. However earlier on in the game at the pivotal baron fight you can clearly see him go in 1v5 and waste his ult while the rest of his team bursted down singed. Had he stayed back a bit and been less aggressive he could've used his ult at a better time providing much needed cc for his team while they bursted down draven or kayle with no fear of a kayle ult. HSGG losing that game i think.
I'm going to rewatch that baron fight because i honestly didn't feel like he misplayed that at all.
Yeah I'm sorry, hotshot going in ahead of his team and ulting the team while they're still being hit by baron and having the -MR of baron is NOT A MISTAKE. Hotshot traded himself for Kiwikid, but the remaining members of Dignitas had taken much more damage than the remaining members of CLG took from Kiwi. Good teamfight start from HSGG. His taunt can't stop smite, there's nothing he could do about that (except for Doublelift to not have been so damn far away when baron was started)
Interestingly enough, baron actually performed a posthumous interruption on Hotshot's ult. Also unfortunate. I didn't even know that could happen.
Chauster was GOING to be right behind Hotshot, but Kiwi ran past him (and also got out from the radius of Hotshot's ulti BARELY in time) and flung him away. Nothing hotshot can do about that, great use of fling from Kiwi. Jatt's actually wrong about Hotshot not catching the other 4 in his taunt - it's just the autoattacks to finish baron were already in the air.
Also, if you look at CLG's positioning, Link and Chauster were ready to go in, but Chauster was flung back by Kiwi and Link pulled back to help keep a ghosting ulting singed off of Doublelift while DL kited and killed. Why is this Hotshot's fault? It's not. It's Kiwi's doing. Don't discredit the good plays of one player as being bad plays by another.
Kayle Draven was a really powerful fight combo there.
If Hotshot waited just three-four extra seconds to go in, CLG's positioning for the fight would've been much stronger. It was absolutely a premature 1v5. In fact, I thought Kiwikid's fling on Chauster was awkward because Hotshot got insta melted and though kiwikid drew good initial aggro, he way overextended immediately after by burning everything to dive Doublelift (which ironically baits CLG to the fight so it would've been a mindgame).
On February 23 2013 04:18 KissBlade wrote: If Hotshot waited just three-four extra seconds to go in, CLG's positioning for the fight would've been much stronger. It was absolutely a premature 1v5. In fact, I thought Kiwikid's fling on Chauster was awkward because Hotshot got insta melted and though kiwikid drew good initial aggro, he way overextended immediately after by burning everything to dive Doublelift (which ironically baits CLG to the fight so it would've been a mindgame).
Dignitas wouldn't still be in the Baron pit 3-4 seconds later. They'd be spreading out so they didn't all get caught in a galio ulti, having already secured the baron buff. If Hotshot hesitated for a split second, he'd be giving Dig the chance to back out of the baron pit and reposition, leaving only Vi in the pit to finish off baron.
If Kiwi's fling on chauster wasn't what it was, chauster and possibly link would have been entering the fight immediately behind Hotshot, providing him support after his ulti was over.
CLG particularly NEEDED to have a fight where Vi in particular got caught in the Galio ultimate, so she wasn't free to ult through the team and onto Doublelift from 3 screens away. No amount of positioning from Doublelift could accomplish that by itself. This being the fight where Dig's front line died so cleanly could have been the fight for CLG to win, but I don't think they could disengage after Singed/Vi/Hotshot died and DL's W ran out. You're not giving credit to the part that won it for Dignitas - how friggin insane qtpie could go when he knows he has a Kayle ulti to back him up. Kayle and qtpie completely blew up Aphro (through ulti)/Chauster (through ulti)/Doublelift 3v2 (link was retreating and his spells were on cooldown - the jump onto qtpie was initiated by his charm, though, patoy was retreating after nearly dying to Link, he was 1 kog ult away from death.)
Honestly, Doublelift needed to be at that fight earlier, so that Hotshot's taunt would come with baron STILL ALIVE. He had gone bot because it was pushing, and Dignitas was basically allowed to finish baron before CLG could do anything about it. They actually positioned themselves to do baron before DL even showed, KNOWING he would be the one to go intercept that farm and save his tower (HS tele on CD)
I think DL shouldn't have stayed for as much of the bot lane as he did - clear out the ranged creeps with an E + ulti and get your ass back to mid lane, don't give them the ability to be already started on baron before you start walking over...
Furthermore, remember how GALIO influences a teamfight compared to how SINGED influences a teamfight. Galio gets off a good ultimate, and then he basically only provides poke and a resist buff. He wants teamfights to be quick, press R to win, ult and done. Singed wants to activate his ult and survive for long periods of time running around causing havoc with poison, goo, fling. Galio getting blown up but getting a good ult off, in trade for singed getting blown up but getting a good fling off is a teamfight start WAAAAAAAAY in favor of Galio's team. Note how CLG was basically still all full health after Kiwi died, but Dig was all around half health, except QTpie because of lifesteal. I still don't see how you can blame this fight on Hotshot, if anybody's fault, it's Doublelift's, but even that's unnecessary blame because if left alone, that wave could take out 1 or more turrets bottom, and Dig was HOLDING CLG in the area because they set up that enormous creep wave bot lane.
It's like I said earlier, we need to tear down the walls of HateShot GG on TL xD I don't think he the best top laner or even top 3 NA, but goodness, you guys act like he is in platinum xD
On February 23 2013 04:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's like I said earlier, we need to tear down the walls of HateShot GG on TL xD I don't think he the best top laner or even top 3 NA, but goodness, you guys act like he is in platinum xD
Pretty sure people just expect more from a professional player who has been one for so long .Especially when you bench voyboy and take his place.And that galio build gave me cancer.
What's wrong with building armor and health on Galio (who can ignore poison pretty easily with Bulwark, and when DRAVEN is going crazy and Kayle does mixed damage, but you have pretty good innate MR?) Locket / Glacial (presumably into Frozen Heart) makes sense to me.
On February 23 2013 05:36 sylverfyre wrote: What's wrong with building armor and health on Galio (who can ignore poison pretty easily with Bulwark, and when DRAVEN is going crazy and Kayle does mixed damage, but you have pretty good innate MR?) Locket / Glacial (presumably into Frozen Heart) makes sense to me.
There was no Bulwark on CLG and Galio has no MR scaling. With Scarras build he was dealing mostly magic damage, and true damage at that to anyone below 86 mr when including the Abyssal from Kiwi.
It's kind of sensible to build armor and health against a fed draven, but dignitas was basically double ap. Scarra was pretty much as big as QT at the end of the game and CLG only had one MR item on their team in the form of Abyssal on Link.
On February 23 2013 04:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's like I said earlier, we need to tear down the walls of HateShot GG on TL xD I don't think he the best top laner or even top 3 NA, but goodness, you guys act like he is in platinum xD
People like to hate on him because of various reasons. He tends to lose lane (which isn't necessarily bad if it means more advantages/farm to the rest of his team, sacrificial and shit), his champion pool is still the same as it was in Season 1 as far as we have seen (Galio, Nidalee, etc), he's the guy who benched Crs (which is fanboyed really hard atm).
On February 23 2013 04:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's like I said earlier, we need to tear down the walls of HateShot GG on TL xD I don't think he the best top laner or even top 3 NA, but goodness, you guys act like he is in platinum xD
I rather have elementz on support than shitshotgg on top.
On February 23 2013 04:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It's like I said earlier, we need to tear down the walls of HateShot GG on TL xD I don't think he the best top laner or even top 3 NA, but goodness, you guys act like he is in platinum xD
He fucking wasted his ult randomly, like you can do that sort of mistakes when you play at top level. To be fair, I'm pretty sure the guy gets so much shit for those bad plays that he plays in a mental state that makes him play this bad. It hurts just watching his face during CLG vs Dig, how depressed he seems to be.
Hotshot did not perform well yesterday, but I don't think anyone on CLG did. They simply didn't look prepared after having a day week off. A fair share of questionable calls, some clear misplays, poor itemizations, and poor team compositions. The thing is he's also the team leader so he's going to take extra heat for all of that.
Edit2: Regarding Thresh: I know EU has been talking/hyping him, but I haven't seen much from NA. It's weird because they love Blitz (at least in soloQ), but I expect to see him a lot during EU this weekend, and then maybe picked up by NA next week.
On February 23 2013 06:27 CreationSoul wrote: I actually thought Tresh would be picked more often but only 1 ban in 4 games.......
Wasn't he supposed to be OP?
Maybe some teams expected him to be banned and thus didn't plan their strategies around him or didn't prepare anything. Since that happened yesterday though, maybe we'll see some teams come up with a comp involving Thresh, expecting the "not banned not picked" trend to continue and hand him freely to them.
Hotshot played badly yesterday and that random utl was funny as hell yeah but everyone on clg played like shit, even Doublelift.
Also no matter how much Chauster loves Lee and I might be wrong here, but Lee Sin feels like such a weak pick at the moment for me. Like, in all those super lowkill games where no junglers seems to be able to make something happen, I'd rather have a Hecarim, Xin or Jarvan in the mid-lategame.
On February 23 2013 06:38 AsnSensation wrote: Hotshot played badly yesterday and that random utl was funny as hell yeah but everyone on clg played like shit, even Doublelift.
Also no matter how much Chauster loves Lee and I might be wrong here, but Lee Sin feels like such a weak pick at the moment for me. Like, in all those super lowkill games where no junglers seems to be able to make something happen, I'd rather have a Hecarim, Xin or Jarvan in the mid-lategame.
Lee is a weak pick. After his nerf, he's just a small step above trash tier. He used to be an amazing dueler who could gank easily but had no lategame. Now he's a bad dueler who can gank ok and has no lategame.
y thats the same I'm seeing in SoloQ, Lee used to be an absolute beast lvl 3-4 doublebuff and everyone had to run away from him, nowadays jungers like Vi, Xin or Heca flex their muscles and scream: COME AT ME BRO
On February 23 2013 06:53 AsnSensation wrote: y thats the same I'm seeing in SoloQ, Lee used to be an absolute beast lvl 3-4 doublebuff and everyone had to run away from him, nowadays jungers like Vi, Xin or Heca flex their muscles and scream: COME AT ME BRO
I actually think Xin is the only one who can win that duel. Maybe Vi if she has double E's.
Vi is way too autoattack-reliant once her Q and E charges are down to be able to outdamage Lee through his E debuff. She can scare him away in most cases because he won't be aware of that, and won't have enough time before the laners collapse for his dps to catch up to her initial burst.
On February 23 2013 06:53 AsnSensation wrote: y thats the same I'm seeing in SoloQ, Lee used to be an absolute beast lvl 3-4 doublebuff and everyone had to run away from him, nowadays jungers like Vi, Xin or Heca flex their muscles and scream: COME AT ME BRO
I actually think Xin is the only one who can win that duel. Maybe Vi if she has double E's.
Elise destroys Lee Sin 1v1 unless he can flash both her human form W and E (but then elise should win if she flashes his Q). Volibear might not win 1v1, but he is probably still too dangerous for Lee to fight, simply because it takes damn ages for Volibear to die.
EPT
.Especially when you bench voyboy and take his place.And that galio build gave me cancer.
