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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:24 GMT
#3881
Da Ashe ult baits.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 01 2012 20:25 GMT
#3882
Wow..... exhaust karthus, I fucking hate that summoner O.o, I'd be so pissed if I was nyjacky.
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3883
Does Jacky not play Kat. That was the most overzealous kill attempt I've seen in awhile :<
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
December 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3884
LOL, got it that time. Must feel really good to get that kill on Karth.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3885
where's your exhaust Karthus hue hue hue
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:27:19
December 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3886
Cop. 2 for 2!

On December 02 2012 05:26 Numy wrote:
Does Jacky not play Kat. That was the most overzealous kill attempt I've seen in awhile :<


clearly it works, but malunoo was there.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 01 2012 20:27 GMT
#3887
On December 02 2012 05:26 Numy wrote:
Does Jacky not play Kat. That was the most overzealous kill attempt I've seen in awhile :<

He's been playing it recently, still new to it. Ashe arrow probably didn't help lol

2nd times the charm.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:30:41
December 01 2012 20:28 GMT
#3888
Cop, 3 for 3!

#1 Ashe NA.

EDIT: 3 for 4. now.
liftlift > tsm
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:28 GMT
#3889
Voyboy's barrels have been off this series.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 01 2012 20:28 GMT
#3890
On December 02 2012 05:23 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:20 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

I think another problem is a matter of certain champions needing a lot of set-up for the, while someone like Malphite kinda just fits in everywhere (although to varying degrees of effectiveness). With solo-queue being the main form of practise and experimentation for most people, it's hard to create the conditions to fully experiment with the more "exotic" picks.


I think your first point is quite vital. If a champion isn't significantly better than others in that specific niche but has far bigger/worse drawbacks there's almost no point in trying to get it to work.

I think one advantage though is being able to skirt around bans. For example, Master Yi as a replacement for Katarina in M5's team comp (although he needs far more set up than Katarina does).

Also, a lot of players respond badly when playing against champs they don't often play against. The comfort-zone advantage, while not a lot, will eventually come into play when the win margins between teams start converging.

The biggest drawback perhaps is that strats can be shut down with tactical banning, so the amount of time and effort put into developing a strat and the payoff becomes rather skewed. But perhaps in some situations it may be worth it, especially if it means you have a broader repertoire to use and abuse. But there's a team that really emphasises constant innovation, I think teams may find themselves pressured into needing to innovate as well.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 01 2012 20:30 GMT
#3891
Angush's build this game is much better than last time.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:30:47
December 01 2012 20:30 GMT
#3892
Like I said, it's about intelligent drafting. The "niche" picks are suited for 4th/5th pick, but every game has 4th/5th picks. You're not going to pick 5 1st/2nd pick champs every game, and slotting in those champs where the later champ actually fits your needs better results in a weaker draft overall.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 01 2012 20:30 GMT
#3893
On December 02 2012 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop, 3 for 3!

#1 Ashe NA.

missed 1, worst ashe NA
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#3894
Cop Ashe is a waste because it wastes his #1 Phage proc luck.
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SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
December 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#3895
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.


yeah, quite curious to see this list
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#3896
On December 02 2012 05:30 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop, 3 for 3!

#1 Ashe NA.

missed 1, worst ashe NA

Just like Blitz
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:32:22
December 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#3897
Fuck Karthus, that champ is such bullshit. That ultimate just makes me soooooo angry.

Cop 4 for 5, DAMN those arrows so good.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#3898
press R everyone!
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
December 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#3899
Man he pushed R so well.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:33:00
December 01 2012 20:32 GMT
#3900
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

I think 20 is a bit too much.
I'm thinking:
Sejuani
Zed
Tryndamere
Volibear
Talon
Karma
Leblanc
Rammus
Fiora
Galio (unless CLG support Galio makes a comeback? Though Loco still needs to learn regular supports so doubt it)
Brand


Then there's really situational picks but I don't think it's fair to say they shouldn't see competitive play, hell look at the recent AP Yi, GP, and Nasus picks.

Heimer
AP Master Yi
Gankplank
AD Sion
Nasus
Mordekaiser
Poppy

Fizz gets a special placement because he's viable but no one plays him, at least in my opinion.
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