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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
December 01 2012 20:15 GMT
#3861
7 flashes spent, no kills.
Zero fighting.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
December 01 2012 20:15 GMT
#3862
On December 02 2012 05:12 Numy wrote:
Seems like Curse.EU are forced into picking karthus to deny Jacky.


Yeah, this is what Reggie should've done yesterday. Exhaust Karthus real terror as Kat.

Ohh shiiiii. SO much level 1 aggro.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 01 2012 20:16 GMT
#3863
On December 02 2012 05:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
wtf stanley elise build. I didnt know Elise does so much dmg O_O

The beauty of % health damage spells and high base damage with magic pen.

People need to stop saying champs are bad just after they come out =(

I mean people will always say champs suck if their kit isn't straight forward and they aren't doing tons of damage right away. Problem was Elise is she isn't great mid where a lot of people assumed she would be played. It's mostly Riot just swinging the nerf/buff bat too quickly in almost all scenarios.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#3864
SICK WARD PLACEMENT FROM VOYBOY. SO GUD.
liftlift > tsm
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#3865
Cop is clearly not an experienced Ashe player. Look at that horrid skin.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:19:00
December 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#3866
He warded tri this time!

Edit: I meant side bush...whatever it's called...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#3867
On December 02 2012 05:18 Slow Motion wrote:
Cop is clearly not an experienced Ashe player. Look at that horrid skin.


Genja doesnt use Ashe skins iirc.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#3868
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:19:03
December 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#3869
On December 02 2012 05:18 Slow Motion wrote:
Cop is clearly not an experienced Ashe player. Look at that horrid skin.

Amethyst Ashe <3
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 01 2012 20:19 GMT
#3870
On December 02 2012 05:18 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:18 Slow Motion wrote:
Cop is clearly not an experienced Ashe player. Look at that horrid skin.


Genja doesnt use Ashe skins iirc.


Genja doesn't use Skins.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:21:18
December 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#3871
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

Even with those "20" they still have very niche picks, that could happen.


lol gragas 1v2 lane so silly good.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#3872
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

Who are the 20? I Heimer is the only one that really stands out to me, the other ones are probably just easily countered. Sej lol?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#3873
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

I think another problem is a matter of certain champions needing a lot of set-up for the, while someone like Malphite kinda just fits in everywhere (although to varying degrees of effectiveness). With solo-queue being the main form of practise and experimentation for most people, it's hard to create the conditions to fully experiment with the more "exotic" picks.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#3874
Trade Flash for Wraiths lol
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#3875
Jacky trades flash for blue wraith
Administrator@TL_Zess
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#3876
Blue wraith =/= to flash
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
December 01 2012 20:22 GMT
#3877
Nice dive with Kat. Didn't even need Ashe Arrow.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:22 GMT
#3878
YES! I love you Jacky!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 01 2012 20:22 GMT
#3879
That dive was calculated, very clean.
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 01 2012 20:23 GMT
#3880
On December 02 2012 05:20 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

I think another problem is a matter of certain champions needing a lot of set-up for the, while someone like Malphite kinda just fits in everywhere (although to varying degrees of effectiveness). With solo-queue being the main form of practise and experimentation for most people, it's hard to create the conditions to fully experiment with the more "exotic" picks.


I think your first point is quite vital. If a champion isn't significantly better than others in that specific niche but has far bigger/worse drawbacks there's almost no point in trying to get it to work.
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