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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 29 2012 14:27 GMT
#41
tbh, I don't think there's going to be much of "secret" strats. Would be pleasantly surprised otherwise.

And by secret strat, I do mean something relatively new. Last one I can think of off the top of my head was Dig's Lulu comp.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
August 29 2012 14:31 GMT
#42
1: TSM
2: CLG
3: TD

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 29 2012 14:35 GMT
#43
On August 29 2012 23:17 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone else watched the tiebreak qualification games between mme (former mtw) and orb? The first game I didn't really like the teamcomp of Orb
Didn't see picks bans but comps were:
Orb: Tristana / Nunu / Skarner / Yorick / Orianna
mMe: Graves / Lulu / Maokai / Irelia / Cassiopeia

It doesn't feel like Orianna / Yorick / Skarner go well together at all.

Yorick doesn't have a good midgame target for his ult to go zombie mode - sure, ulting tristana late is great, where its sorta giving you two carries but in earlier teamfights when tristana is still weak this is when you see Yorick ulting a mage for them to go Karthus-mode.

Orianna doesn't have anyone who can dive into the enemy team and get an R on many targets. Sure, skarner likes the MS from W, but Skarner wants to kidnap a solitary target, not so much dive into the middle of 5.

Skarner doesn't have a team that will help him "get the grab" except for orianna - he pretty much has to just facetank the enemy team, run in there, and grab someone.

+ Show Spoiler [game1] +
MME wins game 1.

It's a Skarner composition with almost no burst. You should know what my opinions of that are.

They also have nearly no mid-game. The team very much relies on Orianna providing stall to get to their late game powerhouse in Trist+Trist ghost. Yet at the same time, Skarner has a lower lategame presence than other junglers due to QSS. On the other hand mMe has a strong early, mid and late game power curve. Sure, their late game might be lower than mMe. But by the time the late game kicks in, they can still go toe-to-toe and they should be coming in with an advantage to begin with.

oRb just have no real game plan here. It's like a team of " 5nice stuff we can play" rather than "5 champs who are going to murder your face hard and we know how to do it".
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:45:33
August 29 2012 14:41 GMT
#44
On August 29 2012 23:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 23:17 sylverfyre wrote:
Anyone else watched the tiebreak qualification games between mme (former mtw) and orb? The first game I didn't really like the teamcomp of Orb
Didn't see picks bans but comps were:
Orb: Tristana / Nunu / Skarner / Yorick / Orianna
mMe: Graves / Lulu / Maokai / Irelia / Cassiopeia

It doesn't feel like Orianna / Yorick / Skarner go well together at all.

Yorick doesn't have a good midgame target for his ult to go zombie mode - sure, ulting tristana late is great, where its sorta giving you two carries but in earlier teamfights when tristana is still weak this is when you see Yorick ulting a mage for them to go Karthus-mode.

Orianna doesn't have anyone who can dive into the enemy team and get an R on many targets. Sure, skarner likes the MS from W, but Skarner wants to kidnap a solitary target, not so much dive into the middle of 5.

Skarner doesn't have a team that will help him "get the grab" except for orianna - he pretty much has to just facetank the enemy team, run in there, and grab someone.

+ Show Spoiler [game1] +
MME wins game 1.

It's a Skarner composition with almost no burst. You should know what my opinions of that are.

They also have nearly no mid-game. The team very much relies on Orianna providing stall to get to their late game powerhouse in Trist+Trist ghost. Yet at the same time, Skarner has a lower lategame presence than other junglers due to QSS. On the other hand mMe has a strong early, mid and late game power curve. Sure, their late game might be lower than mMe. But by the time the late game kicks in, they can still go toe-to-toe and they should be coming in with an advantage to begin with.

oRb just have no real game plan here. It's like a team of " 5nice stuff we can play" rather than "5 champs who are going to murder your face hard and we know how to do it".

Yeah, there were multiple times that Skarner ran in, lost a lot of health, grabs someone like Irelia (no way could he ever get to Graves)... who just facetanks all 5 for the duration of the grab while Skarner dies faster than she does. It didn't work out at all.

Game 2 Picks:
MME: Sona Ryze Graves Maokai Yorick
Orb: Soraka Vayne Orianna Nocturne Malphite

I like orb's teamcomp a bit better this time, but Yorick + Ryze gives exactly what I was complaining Yorick + Orianna didn't have. Meanwhile however, Malphite Nocturne gives Orianna the kind of front line she wants - a dive-deep front line (Especially Malphite Ori's RR combo)

BTW, since the videos are unlisted youtube videos and the Riot portal has MASSIVE SPOILERS, here are the youtube links to the games between MME Ferus and Orbit Gaming

+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +

+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
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qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
August 29 2012 14:43 GMT
#45
So pumped to hear some good old TONS OF DAMAGE

RIP KT.Violet
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
August 29 2012 14:47 GMT
#46
I'm going to the Toronto barcraft for this... I hope CLG takes it
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
August 29 2012 15:01 GMT
#47
After last weekend, I expect TD to do incredibly well.
Top3:
TSM
CLG
Curse/TD
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3238 Posts
August 29 2012 15:31 GMT
#48
after what happened last year with the seed swap because of Regi/TSM and Dahn/EG, the 2 tsm teams might meet at semis?
noone believes that TSM has the power to ask evo to forfeit?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
August 29 2012 15:41 GMT
#49
On August 30 2012 00:31 misirlou wrote:
after what happened last year with the seed swap because of Regi/TSM and Dahn/EG, the 2 tsm teams might meet at semis?
noone believes that TSM has the power to ask evo to forfeit?


Nope, No one believes Evo will get past Curse.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
August 29 2012 15:51 GMT
#50
I hate this system, where losing one set can force you out of the tournament. Would suck if we don't see a top team in the finals because they play one set badly.
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 29 2012 16:02 GMT
#51
On August 30 2012 00:41 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 00:31 misirlou wrote:
after what happened last year with the seed swap because of Regi/TSM and Dahn/EG, the 2 tsm teams might meet at semis?
noone believes that TSM has the power to ask evo to forfeit?


Nope, No one believes Evo will get past Curse.


They won't. Evo is just not strong right now, especially after Aphromoo left. Curse is a much stronger team. I'd say they're good for top4 if not top3.
derp
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 16:08:10
August 29 2012 16:07 GMT
#52
So, dignitas vs dynamic again?

Guess i'll be watching a lot of non-dig games. Unless crumbz somehow transforms into a good top.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 29 2012 16:24 GMT
#53
hmm I think TD will do it and take 3rd...

I'm always super scared for TSM tho because they have their derp moments where Regi feeds super heavily and then Chaox/Dyrus dont end up carrying his ass.. meh guess because of stream revenue they don't really need the riot salary anyways
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
August 29 2012 16:29 GMT
#54
1. TSM
2. CLG.NA
3. Curse.NA

Although I hope for some upsets, maybe Legion can take the third place?
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 16:31:07
August 29 2012 16:30 GMT
#55
I think at least one of the favorites will drop in Round 1. The difference between top and bottom seeds is much smaller here than at Gamescom. I'd say Evo is the only team without a decent chance at winning the whole thing.
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
August 29 2012 16:31 GMT
#56
Can someone please tell me why Riot would choose Jaws and Jatt as casters as opposed to Deman and/or anyone else? I hardly ever see or hear anything good being said about their casting (cough, nunu counterjungling, cough)
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 29 2012 16:33 GMT
#57
Jaws is still relatively new, but Jatt is quite gud. Don't know why you're unhappy with the lineup.

As for Deman, he's out of vacation days. He'd like to be at PAX but shoutcasting for him is still just a hobby.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 16:36:34
August 29 2012 16:33 GMT
#58
I really agree. I don't like the idea of a single-elimination QUALIFIER. I understand that these are seeded positions, but they're seeded based on old performances (and in many cases, old lineups) and it feels like there should be a group stage before it goes into single elim knockout brackets, to sort out the chaff (Evo...) from people who deserve to be ahead of them (Ferus) before having to take it to the top teams. Ferus fought hard in a limited amount of time to win 8th seed, but all they get out of it is a date with TSM. Then again, we might have a Regiderp, so who knows.

If it were differently organized, I'd put TD or Legion as making top 3, but with things like this, I really can't say.

Predictions:
TSM
Dignitas
Legion (gotta go with an upset happening somewhere, and CLGNA has looked pretty shaky lately.)
Curse.NA
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
August 29 2012 16:33 GMT
#59
On August 30 2012 01:30 Dan HH wrote:
I think at least one of the favorites will drop in Round 1. The difference between top and bottom seeds is much smaller here than at Gamescom. I'd say Evo is the only team without a decent chance at winning the whole thing.


I agree with you, but I also think Legion have a chance to get a spot.
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
SimulatedAnneal
Profile Joined March 2012
765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 16:36:43
August 29 2012 16:34 GMT
#60
On August 30 2012 01:31 SoulSever wrote:
Can someone please tell me why Riot would choose Jaws and Jatt as casters as opposed to Deman and/or anyone else? I hardly ever see or hear anything good being said about their casting (cough, nunu counterjungling, cough)


Those four work for Riot. This is their first independently run event so they're trying to use their own people. Everyone else is independent or works for a different company(Joe for ESL, Hatperson for IGN, etc).
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