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[MLG] Spring Championship 2012 - Page 96
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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On June 11 2012 05:19 Alzadar wrote: I don't get the "Ionic Spark for split pushing" logic. If you are the one pushing, you're just clearing individual waves one at a time, not clearing huge multi-waves. When is the Ionic Spark actually necessary? A split pusher's speed is limited by his own minions, not how long it takes to kill 6 minions. Shen is single target damage so when he clears he needs to spend time killing minions one by one. Ionic spark lets him clear the wave asap. The main thing CLG wants to do is shove the wave as fast as possible and force someone to respond. If they get a tower, great. But it's forcing someone away and into a 4v5 situation that's their key priority. Although, the bonus AS to bring Ki-strike up faster and the hp to make Ki-strike stronger doesn't hurt. But that's still inconsequential to just shoving the wave as quickly as you can. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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On June 11 2012 05:20 AsnSensation wrote: So theres basically Clg vs td -> winner vs Dig and then grand finals vs TS left right? damn should very well go till 3 am CEST: Yup. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14110 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:19 Alzadar wrote: I don't get the "Ionic Spark for split pushing" logic. If you are the one pushing, you're just clearing individual waves one at a time, not clearing huge multi-waves. When is the Ionic Spark actually necessary? A split pusher's speed is limited by his own minions, not how long it takes to kill 6 minions. Shen doesn't have a wave clearing skill. Ionic spark gives him the ability to clear waves quickly. Thats the logic behind ionic spark shen. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:19 Alzadar wrote: I don't get the "Ionic Spark for split pushing" logic. If you are the one pushing, you're just clearing individual waves one at a time, not clearing huge multi-waves. When is the Ionic Spark actually necessary? A split pusher's speed is limited by his own minions, not how long it takes to kill 6 minions. If you have played Shen you probably noticed how slow he clears waves with his purely single target damage kit (I don't count shadow dash possibly catching 2 or more people as a serious source of damage...). The longer it takes for Shen to clear the incoming wave the more damage his own minions take. One item with split pushing capabilities is a good choice on him IMO. Sunfire / Tiamat / Spark seem to be the easiest options. In addition, Shen scales with attack speed and health, which makes the spark a good option. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:20 arb wrote: They ask Chaox how him and Xpecial play bot lane he responds "correctly" what a boss MVP quote of the tournament. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:20 ItsFunToLose wrote: getting all 3 is pretty fun. it really is limited by how long it takes you to kill 6 minions, not sure why you disagree. Even clearing a wave 2-3 seconds faster than wits can be the difference between a free tower, or a secured baron. You can only hit a tower when you have minions to tank it (generalization, obviously). Your minions come at a constant speed. Nearly any champion with damage can clear a single enemy wave faster than his own waves arrive. So you get the hit the tower for the same period of time regardless of how fast you clear. I'm not sure what you mean about making the difference between a free tower and a secured baron. Explain? I understand that "AoE damage -> lets me clear waves faster -> better splitpush" seems intuitive, but I think it's actually wrong. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:14 little fancy wrote: Holy fuck, Galio support SO MUCH influence on teamfight. Very nice timing by chauster to get it fully charged and hitting I guess 4 (?) people at once! Yeah, I've always liked Chauster's support Galio - AFAIK he's the only support who plays him, and lets them either get some really good mindgames going in champion select when someone counterpicks Galio mid, or lets them pick Cass without the Galio counter. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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On June 11 2012 05:26 Haasts wrote: Yeah, I've always liked Chauster's support Galio - AFAIK he's the only support who plays him, and lets them either get some really good mindgames going in champion select when someone counterpicks Galio, or lets them pick Cass without the Galio counter. Also, with HSGG now in the jangle Jiji actually went and learnt how to play Galio. So it's not just a bluff and it's still a legit threat. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:26 Haasts wrote: Yeah, I've always liked Chauster's support Galio - AFAIK he's the only support who plays him, and lets them either get some really good mindgames going in champion select when someone counterpicks Galio mid, or lets them pick Cass without the Galio counter. Except jiji never galio | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:26 Alzadar wrote: You can only hit a tower when you have minions to tank it (generalization, obviously). Your minions come at a constant speed. Nearly any champion with damage can clear a single enemy wave faster than his own waves arrive. So you get the hit the tower for the same period of time regardless of how fast you clear. I'm not sure what you mean about making the difference between a free tower and a secured baron. Explain? I disagree that you hit the tower for the same amount of time regardless of wave clearing speed. I don't think being able to clear a wave faster than yours arrives is a meaningful claim, and there is a large difference between shen's wave clear and pretty much anyone else. The longer it takes shen to waveclear, the longer your team has to essentially ignore his split push and force a 5v(4+teleportshen 5) Lets 1v1, except you go bottom as shen and I go top as shyvana. or shen vs shen. I will buy ionic, and you buy wits. ionic makes a meaningful difference in clear speed compared to wits end. When split pushing you aren't always on the push. there will be a situations where your team was grouped up and ignored bottom for a large period of time and there will be several waves pushing toward your base. if you send shen to start a split push, be prepared to tip toe around for a good 90 seconds before he's able to reverse the wave and start pushing. I'll agree that its pretty much a garbage item on anyone but shen though. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:26 Alzadar wrote: You can only hit a tower when you have minions to tank it (generalization, obviously). Your minions come at a constant speed. Nearly any champion with damage can clear a single enemy wave faster than his own waves arrive. So you get the hit the tower for the same period of time regardless of how fast you clear. I'm not sure what you mean about making the difference between a free tower and a secured baron. Explain? I understand that "AoE damage -> lets me clear waves faster -> better splitpush" seems intuitive, but I think it's actually wrong. You go ahead and prove 'em wrong and come back here and bash us when it's done. It makes SO much sense. HP, AS and the ability to split-push like a cunt. Seems legit | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
edit: oh wow I see. Sending shyvana top lane with jungle jax to bait the malphite conuter pick. smart smart. | ||
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