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At any point of IEM Season 6 Championship, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread.

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Hannover but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 06.03.2012
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:33:07
March 10 2012 21:32 GMT
#6221
On March 11 2012 03:10 Shiv. wrote:
Neat Spreadsheet inc.

nice spreadsheet. guess shen not as strong as people thought. in other news, janna replaces sona as queen of supports.

interesting to note that TSM's most picked champion is Irelia and they never won with her -.- WHY TRM WHY U KEEP PICK IRELIA :O.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 10 2012 21:44 GMT
#6222
On March 11 2012 06:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 03:10 Shiv. wrote:
Neat Spreadsheet inc.

nice spreadsheet. guess shen not as strong as people thought. in other news, janna replaces sona as queen of supports.

interesting to note that TSM's most picked champion is Irelia and they never won with her -.- WHY TRM WHY U KEEP PICK IRELIA :O.


TRM is probably looking at Wickd and thinks he can do it too.

His Teemo is good, his Tryn is good, he has plenty of champions to pick from but he shouldn't pick Irelia.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 10 2012 21:51 GMT
#6223
On March 11 2012 06:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
guess shen not as strong as people thought.

If there was a champ with an ability to instantly kill an entire team once every 10 minutes, but teams still managed to lose with it in a tourny, the champ would not stop being overpowered.

Correlation != Causation.

Just because you don't automatically win with Shen on your team does not make him "not as good as people think." It was shown over and over again just how absurd he is.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 10 2012 22:12 GMT
#6224
On March 11 2012 06:51 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
guess shen not as strong as people thought.

If there was a champ with an ability to instantly kill an entire team once every 10 minutes, but teams still managed to lose with it in a tourny, the champ would not stop being overpowered.

Correlation != Causation.

Just because you don't automatically win with Shen on your team does not make him "not as good as people think." It was shown over and over again just how absurd he is.

correlation doesnt equal causation sure, but when a champion loses over half his games it does tell me that something is up. and i never said he wasn't strong, i said he wasn't as strong as people thought, which I think is perfectly fair considering people were calling him broken and OP
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
March 10 2012 22:12 GMT
#6225
I don't know much about League competitively. Are there any champs that are flat out banned from competitive play?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 10 2012 22:14 GMT
#6226
On March 11 2012 07:12 Dalguno wrote:
I don't know much about League competitively. Are there any champs that are flat out banned from competitive play?

No, but there are champs that are considered so strong they are almost always banned.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
March 10 2012 22:17 GMT
#6227
On March 11 2012 07:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:12 Dalguno wrote:
I don't know much about League competitively. Are there any champs that are flat out banned from competitive play?

No, but there are champs that are considered so strong they are almost always banned.


Ah I see. Who are they?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
March 10 2012 22:17 GMT
#6228
On March 11 2012 07:12 Dalguno wrote:
I don't know much about League competitively. Are there any champs that are flat out banned from competitive play?


Bans have mostly been targeted at teams so I don't think there are any universal bans. And there are patches every 2-3 weeks so a lot of the "OP" champs fall out of favour pretty quickly.

Also, all the VODs should be up in the OP.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
fuzzbox
Profile Joined February 2010
235 Posts
March 10 2012 22:35 GMT
#6229
all this flaming and fanboyism aside, i'm glad M5 won. it gives every other team a "goal" to strive for. i don't think there's been any team in recent LoL history that has dominated as much as M5 has (especially during the finals). competition is always good. now we wait for every other team to step up their game.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 10 2012 22:51 GMT
#6230
On March 11 2012 07:17 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 11 2012 07:12 Dalguno wrote:
I don't know much about League competitively. Are there any champs that are flat out banned from competitive play?

No, but there are champs that are considered so strong they are almost always banned.


Ah I see. Who are they?

they tend to change from patch to patch and nowadays people usually target bans considering how each team only gets 3 bans. the top ban atm is shen. ryze/cassio get banned a lot too, but usually only in competitive play. In terms of solo queue, rammus/shaco are also almost always banned.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 22:58:34
March 10 2012 22:55 GMT
#6231
Wow, just watched the finals games, m5 absolutely crushed dignitas. I am glad m5 won though, as much as I love scarra, i always feel the best team should always win. LoL isn't a game where the best team always wins, yet, because people still need to become much more polished and disciplined as players, but this tourney m5 crushed.

Now if only people could actually vote for the mvps of the event instead of mindlessly voting for players they like.
True skill comes without effort.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
March 10 2012 23:06 GMT
#6232
On March 11 2012 07:55 robertdinh wrote:
Wow, just watched the finals games, m5 absolutely crushed dignitas. I am glad m5 won though, as much as I love scarra, i always feel the best team should always win. LoL isn't a game where the best team always wins, yet, because people still need to become much more polished and disciplined as players, but this tourney m5 crushed.

Now if only people could actually vote for the mvps of the event instead of mindlessly voting for players they like.


It's just a flaw with the IEM voting system - the voting ended before the start of the finals so they can get everything ready for the awards ceremony. Voyboy had an amazing semifinals against aAa whereas M5 won, but not in a flashy fashion (CLG lost more so than M5 won). It's easier to remember the performance of a single player compared to the performance of a team.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
March 10 2012 23:09 GMT
#6233
On March 11 2012 08:06 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:55 robertdinh wrote:
Wow, just watched the finals games, m5 absolutely crushed dignitas. I am glad m5 won though, as much as I love scarra, i always feel the best team should always win. LoL isn't a game where the best team always wins, yet, because people still need to become much more polished and disciplined as players, but this tourney m5 crushed.

Now if only people could actually vote for the mvps of the event instead of mindlessly voting for players they like.


It's just a flaw with the IEM voting system - the voting ended before the start of the finals so they can get everything ready for the awards ceremony. Voyboy had an amazing semifinals against aAa whereas M5 won, but not in a flashy fashion (CLG lost more so than M5 won). It's easier to remember the performance of a single player compared to the performance of a team.


I also think a lot of people have a thing against m5 because they end up crushing every team that the fans usually cheer for.

Like for example, someone might be a clg fan, then clg gets eliminated by m5, so in that person's mind they sorta hate m5.
True skill comes without effort.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 10 2012 23:11 GMT
#6234
On March 11 2012 08:09 robertdinh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 08:06 JBright wrote:
On March 11 2012 07:55 robertdinh wrote:
Wow, just watched the finals games, m5 absolutely crushed dignitas. I am glad m5 won though, as much as I love scarra, i always feel the best team should always win. LoL isn't a game where the best team always wins, yet, because people still need to become much more polished and disciplined as players, but this tourney m5 crushed.

Now if only people could actually vote for the mvps of the event instead of mindlessly voting for players they like.


It's just a flaw with the IEM voting system - the voting ended before the start of the finals so they can get everything ready for the awards ceremony. Voyboy had an amazing semifinals against aAa whereas M5 won, but not in a flashy fashion (CLG lost more so than M5 won). It's easier to remember the performance of a single player compared to the performance of a team.


I also think a lot of people have a thing against m5 because they end up crushing every team that the fans usually cheer for.

Like for example, someone might be a clg fan, then clg gets eliminated by m5, so in that person's mind they sorta hate m5.


The M5 BM incident against Mono also wasn't that long ago. And yeah, most people don't like to see their team getting taken out. I was cheering for CLG and was disappointed that they couldn't take on M5.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 23:22:36
March 10 2012 23:22 GMT
#6235
On March 11 2012 07:12 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:51 Craton wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
guess shen not as strong as people thought.

If there was a champ with an ability to instantly kill an entire team once every 10 minutes, but teams still managed to lose with it in a tourny, the champ would not stop being overpowered.

Correlation != Causation.

Just because you don't automatically win with Shen on your team does not make him "not as good as people think." It was shown over and over again just how absurd he is.

correlation doesnt equal causation sure, but when a champion loses over half his games it does tell me that something is up. and i never said he wasn't strong, i said he wasn't as strong as people thought, which I think is perfectly fair considering people were calling him broken and OP

Shen is broken and horribly overpowered. I don't know why you think that the only evidence of a champion being OP is that their team automatically wins just by virtue of possessing said champ. There are some champs that are mostly OP because of solo queue dynamics that don't dominate in ranked, but Shen is a perfect example of a champion that's OP in every arena. That fact doesn't change just because lesser players or teams got a hold of him and still found ways to lose. I'm pretty sure there were also cases where Shen dominated all game but the rest of the team flopped too hard to win.

He will be nerfed again, mark my words.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Leonnoel
Profile Joined March 2012
France17 Posts
March 10 2012 23:48 GMT
#6236

Shen is broken and horribly overpowered. I don't know why you think that the only evidence of a champion being OP is that their team automatically wins just by virtue of possessing said champ. There are some champs that are mostly OP because of solo queue dynamics that don't dominate in ranked, but Shen is a perfect example of a champion that's OP in every arena. That fact doesn't change just because lesser players or teams got a hold of him and still found ways to lose. I'm pretty sure there were also cases where Shen dominated all game but the rest of the team flopped too hard to win.

He will be nerfed again, mark my words.


I find Lee Sin to have dominated (i.e champ is key source for making plays in game) much more then Shen this tournament though its true Shen was banned most of the time.

Is Lee Sin considered broken and horribly overpowered ?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 10 2012 23:53 GMT
#6237
who was Curse's ringer?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 10 2012 23:57 GMT
#6238
On March 11 2012 08:53 Kenpachi wrote:
who was Curse's ringer?

pfote the german guy
GANDHISAUCE
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
March 10 2012 23:58 GMT
#6239
anyone know when tsm/clg will be back and streaming again?
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 11 2012 00:01 GMT
#6240
On March 11 2012 08:58 Xevious wrote:
anyone know when tsm/clg will be back and streaming again?


Probably Monday for TSM

CLG is flying straight to Korea so don't expect them to streaming at their usual times anymore
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