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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 20 2012 13:43 GMT
#1181
On January 20 2012 22:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 22:33 Slayer91 wrote:
Just for the record diamondprox just played the best jungle I have ever seen since the new jungle came out.


Never watched a EU stream before (no Fnatic, no SK, etc) but I'm eager to watch M5 on Own3d next week.
huehue. :3

Edit: Anyone on EU want to look up Diamond's Shy runes for me? tyty~

Page Drakon:
AD Reds+Quints, Armour Yellows, AS Blues

9-21-0 Masteries

It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 13:45:10
January 20 2012 13:44 GMT
#1182
You priortize based on the situation, it's exactly the same with every other jungle. Shyvanna has more effective counter jungle and less effective ganks so her priorties shift accordingly. Especially against a ganking jungler which increases the probability they'll have camps up and also that they'll be lower level and easy to bully out if you meet them in the jungle.

That said, farming your jungle will sometimes take priority as well. Darien had very good control over top lane and mid was feeding which helped invade the red side jungle. He only went into the blue side jungle when he had oracles and ward control there.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 20 2012 13:45 GMT
#1183
On January 20 2012 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 22:38 Keniji wrote:
They played amazing.

The interview was awesome, too. Alex seems like a really cool/nice guy with alot of knowledge not only about the game but also about the competition both EU and US.


Ditto.

I have somewhat mixed feelings about M5's manner wards though. And there's hearsay about M5 trashtalking other teams (both NA and EU) after scrims.

:<<<<

I find it so retarded that people would shittalk after scrims lol. Like, it's completely just practice for both your team's benefits and what do you do besides lose a practice partner? Scrims shouldn't be for competitive reasons.
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 13:49:58
January 20 2012 13:49 GMT
#1184
Thanks guys! I was afraid my questions would be too technical, so I threw in the TSM flame-bait (didn't go for it. Good guy Alex) and the "do a shoutout in Russian".

I'm super excited about this team. So happy the hype wasn't premature. That scarra snipe over the cliff, I almost fell of my chair.

M5 - Sypher next. Uhm. I just gave lounet my condolences ;P Honestly, I do not think Sypher have any chance at all (I'd never say this on stream, but there it is). I'll do Dig - aAa after, probably deciding the second place in the group.

EDIT to add: we'll keep doing interviews as long as the games are this quick. Post here if you got questions and we'll try to work them in (provided we see the questions in time)
My modesty is awesome.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 20 2012 13:49 GMT
#1185
M5 seems to only respect mTl.tt and CLGeu as teams, maybe aAa too seing as they got destroyed in the go4lol. Not too surprised about that since only CLGeu has given them proper trouble.
Go go Alliance.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 20 2012 13:49 GMT
#1186
On January 20 2012 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 22:38 Keniji wrote:
They played amazing.

The interview was awesome, too. Alex seems like a really cool/nice guy with alot of knowledge not only about the game but also about the competition both EU and US.


Ditto.

I have somewhat mixed feelings about M5's manner wards though. And there's hearsay about M5 trashtalking other teams (both NA and EU) after scrims.

:<<<<

Russians are often not very polite, but its generelly not meant to be that offensive.
Just different mentality.
Off-season = best season
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 14:13:28
January 20 2012 13:54 GMT
#1187
I felt like the 2nd dragon, where Kennen left top lane open to Irelia w/o securing the drake in exchange, was another point too. With Swain so bullied (and no wards wtf) they'd need other lanes to pull out, and Voyboy lost his lead (even ended up behind in cs) for no gain. It even lead to his tower falling a lot earlier I believe.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
January 20 2012 13:54 GMT
#1188
On January 20 2012 22:19 NotSorry wrote:
hopefully they don't make us wait an hour for the next game

I would actually like to start games faster but for this tournament we will show matches strictly according to the schedule. I understand it is boring to watch the whole groupstage in one sitting like this but there are a ton of people from other timezones that are tuning in for particular matches and they appreciate that the matches are starting on time. Do the best, play a game while waiting for the next round...
@ESL_Shawn
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 20 2012 13:55 GMT
#1189
On January 20 2012 22:49 dooraven wrote:
M5 seems to only respect mTl.tt and CLGeu as teams, maybe aAa too seing as they got destroyed in the go4lol. Not too surprised about that since only CLGeu has given them proper trouble.


Tell us moar about this mTI.tt...

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napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
January 20 2012 13:58 GMT
#1190
Whole Riot around here? ^_^
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
January 20 2012 13:59 GMT
#1191
Mistral are one of the best teams from EUNE, now competing on EUW. You'll be able to see them in action in the King of Europe tournament coming up end of January (which I may or may not co-commentate with Deman) They're proper scary as well.
My modesty is awesome.
l3ird
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States368 Posts
January 20 2012 14:01 GMT
#1192
mtl's a strong upcoming euro team; i've only seen one streamer for 10winstreak that plays with us for that!
MGN
Profile Joined June 2011
France383 Posts
January 20 2012 14:02 GMT
#1193
On January 20 2012 22:49 DanielZKlein wrote:
Thanks guys! I was afraid my questions would be too technical, so I threw in the TSM flame-bait (didn't go for it. Good guy Alex) and the "do a shoutout in Russian".

I'm super excited about this team. So happy the hype wasn't premature. That scarra snipe over the cliff, I almost fell of my chair.

M5 - Sypher next. Uhm. I just gave lounet my condolences ;P Honestly, I do not think Sypher have any chance at all (I'd never say this on stream, but there it is). I'll do Dig - aAa after, probably deciding the second place in the group.

EDIT to add: we'll keep doing interviews as long as the games are this quick. Post here if you got questions and we'll try to work them in (provided we see the questions in time)


I love your interviews ! =) keep it up !! and gogo aAa !
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
January 20 2012 14:02 GMT
#1194
On January 20 2012 22:54 Shawngood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 22:19 NotSorry wrote:
hopefully they don't make us wait an hour for the next game

I would actually like to start games faster but for this tournament we will show matches strictly according to the schedule. I understand it is boring to watch the whole groupstage in one sitting like this but there are a ton of people from other timezones that are tuning in for particular matches and they appreciate that the matches are starting on time. Do the best, play a game while waiting for the next round...


Also it has to be said games are REALLY fast this tournament so far. Got to make a schedule that can deal with 70 minute games and delays, but once you have a schedule you can't fast forward.
My modesty is awesome.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
January 20 2012 14:02 GMT
#1195
Can't wait to see M5 vs TSM (assuming M5 crushes their grp).. Real trashtalk if TSM wins.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 20 2012 14:02 GMT
#1196
Lithuanian team.

mTl.tt is probably the 3rd or 4th strongest team at the moment in EUW, it's composed of Angush, Svenskern, extinct, Prepared and Sleeper.

Angush is the only top laner in the game that has consistently given wickd trouble and has beaten him several times (it's about even right now). The unique thing about mTl.tt is that they run a battle botlane which is according to krepo (clgeu's support) "retarded as hell to lane against". They're very strong.
Go go Alliance.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 14:06:28
January 20 2012 14:05 GMT
#1197
Diamond proc profile:
Solo Q, 2355, #3 on EU.
Champs played in ranked season 2:
Lee sin, 92-33, 73.6% win
Udyr, 39,16, 70.9% win
Xin Zhao, 24-8, 75% win
Trundle, 22-6, 78.6% win
Nocturne, 18-8, 69.2% win
Shyvana, 18-5 78.3% win
Skarner, 16-7, 69.8% win
Maokai, 10-5, 66.6% win

His shaco/rammus etc win rates are lower but he doesn't play them that much. Seems to sometimes play solo top as well.
Masteries: Looks like 9/21/0, could be another jungle tho.
Shyvana rune pages: "drakon"
armour yellows,
attack speed blues,
ad quints,
ad reds.

Interesting he doesn't use move quints. He uses the same page as me on udyr though (medved = bear in russian)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 14:07:48
January 20 2012 14:05 GMT
#1198
On January 20 2012 23:02 dooraven wrote:
Lithuanian team.

mTl.tt is probably the 3rd or 4th strongest team at the moment in EUW, it's composed of Angush, Svenskern, extinct, Prepared and Sleeper.

Angush is the only top laner in the game that has consistently given wickd trouble and has beaten him several times (it's about even right now). The unique thing about mTl.tt is that they run a battle botlane which is according to krepo (clgeu's support) "retarded as hell to lane against". They're very strong.


Battle botlane... is that someone like Goose's Jarvan/Leona combo?
Round off (your) current top 3 please?

Thanks for your answers, dooraven.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 14:07:36
January 20 2012 14:07 GMT
#1199
Derp, quoting same person twice...
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 14:10:11
January 20 2012 14:08 GMT
#1200
The AS blues means he favours early game speed over mid/late strength on shyvana. The rush to razors and stealing buffs points to the same thing. Wriggles isn't that amazing on shyvana except for speed on buff camps and dragon which aren't as hard in new jungle but it looks like he really likes to take them down fast.

He was going wriggles/mercs/phage/wits FYI, in match history his last build finished the wits.

There's no out banning this guy. He can play around 5 jungles at world class level it seems. Another 5 or so that don't get played any more. He doesn't play rammus though. He doesn't like the gank dependent junglers that much, not a big fan of tree either.
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