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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 15:20:55
January 21 2012 15:19 GMT
#2061
Picks:

SK (first): Morg, Sivir Soraka, Renek Udyr
M5: Ryze Taric, MF Shy, GP
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#2062
On January 22 2012 00:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Watching M5 play makes me realize that all the other teams' teamwork are just so far behind.

If you know enemy team's jungle opens Blue, why would you not try to challenge it at the 2nd spawn?
Most teams too lazy zzz


more like most teams need their own blue. The blues will respawn at the same time so you can't exactly safely take yours and steal theirs.


We haven't seen mutual aggressive before yet, so your point is moot.

Aggressive coordinated teams can steal Blue and take their own on 2nd spawn.

M5 doesn't always start Blue either. I thought Shyvanan started Red most of the time.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
January 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#2063
Stop playing with your wrist Phreak
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#2064
Finally renek in competitive play!

So stoked :D
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 15:21:01
January 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#2065
SK Bans: Nunununu, Karthus, Yorrick
M5 Bans: CassiOPeia, Sona, Rammus

SK Picks: Morgana Instalock, Sivir, Soraka, INTERIORCROCODILERENEKTON, Udyr
M5 Picks: Ryze, Taric, MF, Shyvananana, GP


Note: This Taric+MF line. Isn't that what M5 used to beat TSM over the head?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#2066
On January 22 2012 00:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Why is SK banning Yorock instead of Shyvana ^_^

Indeed. Why no Shivanna ban? I dont get it.

Well Sk has never been very good when it comes to picks and bans.
Off-season = best season
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:21 GMT
#2067
On January 22 2012 00:20 Doctorbeat wrote:
Finally renek in competitive play!

So stoked :D

Voyboy played Renekton a few times, including at IEM Germany subbing for CLG. He did a number top lane.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:21 GMT
#2068
On January 22 2012 00:20 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Why is SK banning Yorock instead of Shyvana ^_^

Indeed. Why no Shivanna ban? I dont get it.

Well Sk has never been very good when it comes to picks and bans.


I think SK is one of those teams that are visably bad at Picks and Bans...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
January 21 2012 15:21 GMT
#2069
On January 22 2012 00:20 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
SK Bans: Nunununu, Karthus, Yorrick
M5 Bans: CassiOPeia, Sona, Rammus

SK Picks: Morgana Instalock, Sivir, Soraka, INTERIORCROCODILERENEKTON, Udyr
M5 Picks: Ryze, Taric, MF, Shyvananana, GP


Note: This Taric+MF line. Isn't that what M5 used to beat TSM over the head?



yes
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 15:21 GMT
#2070
Wait what they left shyvana open again? looks like they don't like their own jungle.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:22 GMT
#2071
Need to step out for Game 2.

Someone take over for Live Reporting please.

Thanks.

ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 21 2012 15:22 GMT
#2072
No point in banning Shyvanna, diamond plays too many champions to outban his jungle, better to focus on lanes that can prevent his tactics.
Go go Alliance.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
January 21 2012 15:22 GMT
#2073
Why Renek ? If Ryze goes top he's gonna own him..
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 21 2012 15:22 GMT
#2074
Phreak should be a rapper
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 21 2012 15:23 GMT
#2075
On January 22 2012 00:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Watching M5 play makes me realize that all the other teams' teamwork are just so far behind.

If you know enemy team's jungle opens Blue, why would you not try to challenge it at the 2nd spawn?
Most teams too lazy zzz


more like most teams need their own blue. The blues will respawn at the same time so you can't exactly safely take yours and steal theirs.


We haven't seen mutual aggressive before yet, so your point is moot.

Aggressive coordinated teams can steal Blue and take their own on 2nd spawn.


If both teams go steal the enemy blue it's just like taking your own though. If you don't send your whole team to counterjungle you're taking a huge risk because they can easily outnumber you and crush you. You'd still likely get your own blue, but if you lose somebody to the invasion then you're still behind. If there was some mutual agreement to have two small skirmishes for the blues then I could see it happening, but I don't think it's worth the risk.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
January 21 2012 15:23 GMT
#2076
I like SKs chances alot more this time around. Picks are alot better imo. Lets see how it goes.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
January 21 2012 15:23 GMT
#2077
Teut posted somewhere in this thread that Diamondguy had crazy win %s with a crazy amount of junglers, so banning Shyvanna is not a priority IMO.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:23 GMT
#2078
On January 22 2012 00:21 daemir wrote:
Wait what they left shyvana open again? looks like they don't like their own jungle.


So, who would we (TL) ban vs M5? :O :O
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:24 GMT
#2079
On January 22 2012 00:23 -Kato- wrote:
Teut posted somewhere in this thread that Diamondguy had crazy win %s with a crazy amount of junglers, so banning Shyvanna is not a priority IMO.

Correct. 68%+ wins on everyone from Xin, Trundle and Udyr.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 21 2012 15:24 GMT
#2080
i dont understand renekton pick before the opponent picked their top.
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