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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:24 GMT
#2081
On January 22 2012 00:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:21 daemir wrote:
Wait what they left shyvana open again? looks like they don't like their own jungle.


So, who would we (TL) ban vs M5? :O :O

Ban down one complete lane, force M5 into picking something and kill that lane. I don't think scatterbans will work.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 21 2012 15:25 GMT
#2082
On January 22 2012 00:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:20 Redox wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Why is SK banning Yorock instead of Shyvana ^_^

Indeed. Why no Shivanna ban? I dont get it.

Well Sk has never been very good when it comes to picks and bans.


I think SK is one of those teams that are visably bad at Picks and Bans...

If you listen to them while they play their scrims, it shows how bad they are tactics wise. Its quite embarrassing, they dont think about team synergy AT ALL, they are just stuck in lane phase with their mind, and so limited at that (e.g. Oce)
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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
January 21 2012 15:25 GMT
#2083
This dodge.. omg
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:25 GMT
#2084
Shyvana almost caught at her Wraiths by SK taking the long way around.

GP, MF and Taric steal SK Wraiths and Red.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:26 GMT
#2085
On January 22 2012 00:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Watching M5 play makes me realize that all the other teams' teamwork are just so far behind.

If you know enemy team's jungle opens Blue, why would you not try to challenge it at the 2nd spawn?
Most teams too lazy zzz


more like most teams need their own blue. The blues will respawn at the same time so you can't exactly safely take yours and steal theirs.


We haven't seen mutual aggressive before yet, so your point is moot.

Aggressive coordinated teams can steal Blue and take their own on 2nd spawn.


If both teams go steal the enemy blue it's just like taking your own though. If you don't send your whole team to counterjungle you're taking a huge risk because they can easily outnumber you and crush you. You'd still likely get your own blue, but if you lose somebody to the invasion then you're still behind. If there was some mutual agreement to have two small skirmishes for the blues then I could see it happening, but I don't think it's worth the risk.


My point is that we've never see games where a team tries to coordinate a 2nd Blue steal when it's common knowledge the timings for it.

I understand the risk but that's why it'd pay off for the more coordinated team.

If it became a trend for a bit to steal enemy 2nd Blue, I could further see why teams would resort back to just taking their own Blue.

The crux argument is why pro teams aren't taking the initiative to be more aggressive and coordinate and build up a early/mid game adv.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 21 2012 15:26 GMT
#2086
On January 22 2012 00:23 Senx wrote:
I like SKs chances alot more this time around. Picks are alot better imo. Lets see how it goes.

Overall it doesnt seem bad to me either. But why Renekton? He falls off so hard late game.
Off-season = best season
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 21 2012 15:26 GMT
#2087
Am i the only one surprised by seeing both supports starting having CV? :x
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 21 2012 15:26 GMT
#2088
On January 22 2012 00:26 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:23 Senx wrote:
I like SKs chances alot more this time around. Picks are alot better imo. Lets see how it goes.

Overall it doesnt seem bad to me either. But why Renekton? He falls off so hard late game.

early game is their problem though :o
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:26 GMT
#2089
GP takes red, buys a ward and teles top again. Shyvanana with a stolen Red camping mid.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 21 2012 15:27 GMT
#2090
woow phreak rly? I hadl no idea, maybe you should make a champion spotlight for her !
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:27 GMT
#2091
Shyvanana takes her own Blue at 4:15. Trying to throw SK timing out of whack.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:28 GMT
#2092
On January 22 2012 00:26 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:23 Senx wrote:
I like SKs chances alot more this time around. Picks are alot better imo. Lets see how it goes.

Overall it doesnt seem bad to me either. But why Renekton? He falls off so hard late game.


Renek is a weird pick... very bad pick tbh.

Renek is viable just has certain points in the game where he's not as solid.

Like LaNague said, picking Renek before enemy team shows their Top Lane pick is flat out stupid move during Picks/Bans.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:28 GMT
#2093
GP just buying a million pots to fight Renek. Sivir getting a lot of Qs off on MF.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:28 GMT
#2094
MF+Taric burst on Sivir take her low. But MF only on 300. Both sides use heal.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 21 2012 15:29 GMT
#2095
On January 22 2012 00:26 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Watching M5 play makes me realize that all the other teams' teamwork are just so far behind.

If you know enemy team's jungle opens Blue, why would you not try to challenge it at the 2nd spawn?
Most teams too lazy zzz


more like most teams need their own blue. The blues will respawn at the same time so you can't exactly safely take yours and steal theirs.


We haven't seen mutual aggressive before yet, so your point is moot.

Aggressive coordinated teams can steal Blue and take their own on 2nd spawn.


If both teams go steal the enemy blue it's just like taking your own though. If you don't send your whole team to counterjungle you're taking a huge risk because they can easily outnumber you and crush you. You'd still likely get your own blue, but if you lose somebody to the invasion then you're still behind. If there was some mutual agreement to have two small skirmishes for the blues then I could see it happening, but I don't think it's worth the risk.


My point is that we've never see games where a team tries to coordinate a 2nd Blue steal when it's common knowledge the timings for it.

I understand the risk but that's why it'd pay off for the more coordinated team.

If it became a trend for a bit to steal enemy 2nd Blue, I could further see why teams would resort back to just taking their own Blue.

The crux argument is why pro teams aren't taking the initiative to be more aggressive and coordinate and build up a early/mid game adv.


Because if you screw it up they're going to get a free dragon or you're going to get behind if nothing else. I think the risk doesn't warrant the reward, but I'm probably the safest player in league of legends ^_^ Farm at turret all day.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 15:29 GMT
#2096
On January 22 2012 00:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:21 daemir wrote:
Wait what they left shyvana open again? looks like they don't like their own jungle.


So, who would we (TL) ban vs M5? :O :O


I would "waste" that 1 ban on shyv simply because of how fast she is now and diamond likes that early oracles. After a few clears, SK is gonna be blind on the map.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:29 GMT
#2097
Ryze backs to buy Tears at 5:50 and Shyvanana covers lane.

GP kills Renek straight up top lane. Keeps pushing hard for creep advantage. Those million pots paying off.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
January 21 2012 15:30 GMT
#2098
ok Nvm, GP is gonna get ultra fed vs this renekton.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 21 2012 15:31 GMT
#2099
renekton losing his lane very hard, shouldnt have picked renekton like that (unless you are voyboy ofc)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:31 GMT
#2100
On January 22 2012 00:29 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:21 daemir wrote:
Wait what they left shyvana open again? looks like they don't like their own jungle.


So, who would we (TL) ban vs M5? :O :O


I would "waste" that 1 ban on shyv simply because of how fast she is now and diamond likes that early oracles. After a few clears, SK is gonna be blind on the map.


+1 this.

I'd ban Shy simply because how "comfortable" Diamond is getting with her at this tournament.
It might not be possible to ban out Diamond but you don't ever want player getting into "the zone".
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