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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:37 GMT
#2121
SK makes their first team play of the semis.

Sivir Morg Soraka kill MF after SK takes the first tower of the game.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 21 2012 15:38 GMT
#2122
On January 22 2012 00:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Can someone explain why no one seems to ban shyvana when that's m5's like favorite hero


SK is bad a Picks/Bans is my take of things.

Maybe it's the "NO WAY, SHYVANA IS A BAD HERO COME ON" mentality
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23379 Posts
January 21 2012 15:38 GMT
#2123
On January 20 2012 23:05 Slayer91 wrote:
Diamond proc profile:
Solo Q, 2355, #3 on EU.
Champs played in ranked season 2:
Lee sin, 92-33, 73.6% win
Udyr, 39,16, 70.9% win
Xin Zhao, 24-8, 75% win
Trundle, 22-6, 78.6% win
Nocturne, 18-8, 69.2% win
Shyvana, 18-5 78.3% win
Skarner, 16-7, 69.8% win
Maokai, 10-5, 66.6% win

His shaco/rammus etc win rates are lower but he doesn't play them that much. Seems to sometimes play solo top as well.
Masteries: Looks like 9/21/0, could be another jungle tho.
Shyvana rune pages: "drakon"
armour yellows,
attack speed blues,
ad quints,
ad reds.

Interesting he doesn't use move quints. He uses the same page as me on udyr though (medved = bear in russian)


Although this is true, it's probably better to ban shyvanna because the counterjungling m5 pull off with her is never seen before which is exactly the type of things you want to ban out in tournaments. You want to stay within your comfort zone. However, udyr can kind of do it but he relies more on blue buff. Riven can do it pretty well too as can lee sin.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 21 2012 15:38 GMT
#2124
Nice play by SK bot lane. I think from the start of the game they should have focused on beating M5's bot, since they have the best chance there.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 15:39 GMT
#2125
On January 22 2012 00:38 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 23:05 Slayer91 wrote:
Diamond proc profile:
Solo Q, 2355, #3 on EU.
Champs played in ranked season 2:
Lee sin, 92-33, 73.6% win
Udyr, 39,16, 70.9% win
Xin Zhao, 24-8, 75% win
Trundle, 22-6, 78.6% win
Nocturne, 18-8, 69.2% win
Shyvana, 18-5 78.3% win
Skarner, 16-7, 69.8% win
Maokai, 10-5, 66.6% win

His shaco/rammus etc win rates are lower but he doesn't play them that much. Seems to sometimes play solo top as well.
Masteries: Looks like 9/21/0, could be another jungle tho.
Shyvana rune pages: "drakon"
armour yellows,
attack speed blues,
ad quints,
ad reds.

Interesting he doesn't use move quints. He uses the same page as me on udyr though (medved = bear in russian)


Although this is true, it's probably better to ban shyvanna because the counterjungling m5 pull off with her is never seen before which is exactly the type of things you want to ban out in tournaments. You want to stay within your comfort zone. However, udyr can kind of do it but he relies more on blue buff. Riven can do it pretty well too as can lee sin.


Staying in your comfort zone, keeping the enemy team off kilt.

Seems like such a plain concept but it really is a big deal for tournaments and competitions.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 21 2012 15:39 GMT
#2126
On January 22 2012 00:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Can someone explain why no one seems to ban shyvana when that's m5's like favorite hero


SK is bad a Picks/Bans is my take of things.

Maybe it's the "NO WAY, SHYVANA IS A BAD HERO COME ON" mentality

?? I'm pretty sure that Shyv isn't considered a bad hero, just for some reason noone plays him (like eg. Jarman)
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 21 2012 15:40 GMT
#2127
i wanna see an M5 vs TSM final with TSM winning!
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 15:40 GMT
#2128
Hey look, oracles on shyvana...baron time soon
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 21 2012 15:40 GMT
#2129
M5 just making plays. Chunking SK and then follow up with Dragon. *sigh*

SK no tactical foresight.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 21 2012 15:41 GMT
#2130
as seen in this dragon fight, M5 just trusts each other and has superior teamplay, SK didnt even know if they wanted to engage or not and got onwed during the second they thought about it.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 21 2012 15:41 GMT
#2131
I feel like M5 is counter meta'ing everyone. They know all the tendencies of their opponent's comps and when they go for buffs/where they'll be set up and they're just 100% ready to pounce on it.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 21 2012 15:41 GMT
#2132
SK Got their blue buff holy shit?!
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
January 21 2012 15:42 GMT
#2133
18 minutes for first blue for morgana
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
January 21 2012 15:42 GMT
#2134
The commentators don't even know what to say. Just "M5 is dominating".
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 21 2012 15:42 GMT
#2135
M5 doing the PD build on miss fortune now ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 21 2012 15:43 GMT
#2136
On January 22 2012 00:39 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 22 2012 00:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Can someone explain why no one seems to ban shyvana when that's m5's like favorite hero


SK is bad a Picks/Bans is my take of things.

Maybe it's the "NO WAY, SHYVANA IS A BAD HERO COME ON" mentality

?? I'm pretty sure that Shyv isn't considered a bad hero, just for some reason noone plays him (like eg. Jarman)

By bad I meant not viable competitively. People bashed her for not having CC's and gank potential, but really, I don't see shyvana going for ganks, but rather putting a lot of pressure on their jungle and buffs. It's kind of a new competitive meta, really.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 21 2012 15:45 GMT
#2137
I thinkthey shoulda banned GP, not Shyv. He feels a lot more important to the team.
#freeshauni
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
January 21 2012 15:45 GMT
#2138
On January 22 2012 00:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 00:38 Slayer91 wrote:
On January 20 2012 23:05 Slayer91 wrote:
Diamond proc profile:
Solo Q, 2355, #3 on EU.
Champs played in ranked season 2:
Lee sin, 92-33, 73.6% win
Udyr, 39,16, 70.9% win
Xin Zhao, 24-8, 75% win
Trundle, 22-6, 78.6% win
Nocturne, 18-8, 69.2% win
Shyvana, 18-5 78.3% win
Skarner, 16-7, 69.8% win
Maokai, 10-5, 66.6% win

His shaco/rammus etc win rates are lower but he doesn't play them that much. Seems to sometimes play solo top as well.
Masteries: Looks like 9/21/0, could be another jungle tho.
Shyvana rune pages: "drakon"
armour yellows,
attack speed blues,
ad quints,
ad reds.

Interesting he doesn't use move quints. He uses the same page as me on udyr though (medved = bear in russian)


Although this is true, it's probably better to ban shyvanna because the counterjungling m5 pull off with her is never seen before which is exactly the type of things you want to ban out in tournaments. You want to stay within your comfort zone. However, udyr can kind of do it but he relies more on blue buff. Riven can do it pretty well too as can lee sin.


Staying in your comfort zone, keeping the enemy team off kilt.

Seems like such a plain concept but it really is a big deal for tournaments and competitions.


My guess: they want M5 to continue playing Shyv cos now at least they have *some* experience with M5's Shyv. If they force M5 to play some other jungler who knows what other crazy stuff they're going to have to go up against.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 21 2012 15:45 GMT
#2139
this is just so painful to watch solotop
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 15:46 GMT
#2140
Ryze has a kill, equal farm with Morg, gonna stomp late game. Top lane GP just raped the lane, completely. Bot lane is a tad ahead for M5.
M5 winning lanes, jungling is on its own class and their teamplay is top notch. Don't see what could happen for SK to get out of this.
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