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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 20 2011 22:45 GMT
#741
I guess I couldn't have been more wrong. Gunna have to wait for VODS before I get to actually make any stand on their play. Work all weekend is a bitch just to try and have thanksgiving off.

Epik Hwaiting!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 22:51:52
November 20 2011 22:46 GMT
#742
On November 21 2011 07:43 tobi9999 wrote:
only saintvicious builds skarner dps

He doesn't even do that in competitive games. The times I watched him play Skarner in CLG scrims, he always went Wriggles->full tank. He plays Wriggle's->Triforce on Skarner/Trundle/etc. in solo queue, but I've pretty much never seen him build that way in serious competitive games.

You build DPS a lot of the time in solo queue because:
1) You can't reliably expect your lane carries to play team-fights correctly
2) You have to plan around getting fed and carrying the game and thus having extra gold to work with
3) You can aggressively take farm from your lanes knowing that you will probably use it better than they will

These are poor assumptions to make in a competitive game, so you play/build completely differently.
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Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#743
On November 21 2011 07:43 tobi9999 wrote:
lol@ all people thinking they know more about jungling than Jatt.


if you put all the gold he had into that game into damage items, he would've have wriggles, triforce and merc treads at the end of the game.

he would have died in less than 5 hits to tristana, wouldn't be able to take q's from karthus without having to heal. etcetc....

only saintvicious builds skarner dps

OddOne in all him games of skarner (solo queue though) goes wriggles -> boots -> hog -> mercs -> shurelias -> aegis/randuins



What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP.

Look, I don't know as much about jungling in general as Jatt, but he doesn't play the character right. I've been playing Skarner since release and I've abused him far apart the elo I belong in. Even if they shouldn't have rushed Triforce, Skarner's worthless without adding some threat by adding at least Sheen.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 20 2011 22:53 GMT
#744
On November 21 2011 07:48 Seiuchi wrote:
What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP.

Saint probably would have spent the gold on Wriggles+Mogs+Mercs+Chainvest, tbh. He might even have still gotten Aegis.

Again, he only builds DPS on a lot of these junglers in solo queue.
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Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 20 2011 22:55 GMT
#745
On November 21 2011 07:53 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 07:48 Seiuchi wrote:
What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP.

Saint probably would have spent the gold on Wriggles+Mogs+Mercs+Chainvest, tbh. He might even have still gotten Aegis.

Again, he only builds DPS on a lot of these junglers in solo queue.


At least Wriggles and the attempt at Atma's would have been better than full support.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 20 2011 22:58 GMT
#746
On November 21 2011 07:55 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 07:53 TheYango wrote:
On November 21 2011 07:48 Seiuchi wrote:
What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP.

Saint probably would have spent the gold on Wriggles+Mogs+Mercs+Chainvest, tbh. He might even have still gotten Aegis.

Again, he only builds DPS on a lot of these junglers in solo queue.


At least Wriggles and the attempt at Atma's would have been better than full support.

The CDR from Shurelyas + the team-wide AD of Aegis was probably worth more damage than a Wriggle's and an unfinished Atma's would have been.
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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
November 20 2011 23:00 GMT
#747
why the hell would zilean ult skarner

skarner's use is mostly his ult, it would be much more beneficial to save ult for gangplank who is useful regardless of cooldown situation.

he built relatively tanky compared to a triforce build, and he still died in the duration of sona stun. -_-
note that they weren't even specifically focusing him
this isn't soloqueue

IF YOU BUILD DAMAGE YOU WILL BE FOCUSED, AND YOU WILL DIE FAST.

don't build tanky on anyone that isn't ranged or isn't an assassin and you are completely useless.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 20 2011 23:03 GMT
#748
And again, the 2nd/3rd tankiest people on the team were RoA Zil and Bloodthirster GP. You want to build Skarner with practically no defense other than a measly amount of health and some MR too? Really?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:03:58
November 20 2011 23:03 GMT
#749
Jatt honestly could have had a lot more leeway with his itemization if he got to pick up more lane farm. Jatt and Saint both usually end up with 2/3-3/4 of their laners' CS, and you'll notice in that game, the amount he got was much lower. Largely, I think this is because in their team-comp, the laner who can afford to let Skarner farm his lane is Zilean--but Scarra got so behind early that he never got to do that, because he needed to farm his lane just to put himself back on track.
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Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 20 2011 23:03 GMT
#750
On November 21 2011 07:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 07:55 Seiuchi wrote:
On November 21 2011 07:53 TheYango wrote:
On November 21 2011 07:48 Seiuchi wrote:
What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP.

Saint probably would have spent the gold on Wriggles+Mogs+Mercs+Chainvest, tbh. He might even have still gotten Aegis.

Again, he only builds DPS on a lot of these junglers in solo queue.


At least Wriggles and the attempt at Atma's would have been better than full support.

The CDR from Shurelyas + the team-wide AD of Aegis was probably worth more damage than a Wriggle's and an unfinished Atma's would have been.


I fully disagree having played like 200 Skarner games, but I'm not going to mathcraft it.

On November 21 2011 08:00 tobi9999 wrote:
why the hell would zilean ult skarner

skarner's use is mostly his ult, it would be much more beneficial to save ult for gangplank who is useful regardless of cooldown situation.

he built relatively tanky compared to a triforce build, and he still died in the duration of sona stun. -_-
note that they weren't even specifically focusing him
this isn't soloqueue

IF YOU BUILD DAMAGE YOU WILL BE FOCUSED, AND YOU WILL DIE FAST.

don't build tanky on anyone that isn't ranged or isn't an assassin and you are completely useless.


Skarner with some damage does more teamfight damage than pretty much any champion in the game with how Crystal Slash works.

Have you ever played Skarner?
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 20 2011 23:05 GMT
#751
On November 21 2011 08:03 rigwarl wrote:
And again, the 2nd/3rd tankiest people on the team were RoA Zil and Bloodthirster GP. You want to build Skarner with practically no defense other than a measly amount of health and some MR too? Really?


My question, is if everyone's saying WHY WOULD SKARNER BUILD DAMAGE HE NEEDS TANK TO LIVE why you aren't similarly railing on Voyboy for not rushing Warmog's like is standard, instead of rushing BT.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:06:29
November 20 2011 23:06 GMT
#752
On November 21 2011 08:03 Seiuchi wrote:
I fully disagree having played like 200 Skarner games, but I'm not going to mathcraft it.

What mathcraft is there even to do?

Unfinished Atmas does NO DAMAGE.

8 AD on 5 people vs. 23 AD on 1 person. 3 champions using the AD makes the Aegis AD worth more. Incidentally, there are 3 AD-based champions on Dignitas' team.

I haven't even brought in the CDR yet.
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
November 20 2011 23:07 GMT
#753
before the finals I must give some credit to MLG commentator, observer did an awesome job this time haha trololol

and the commentary is very solid <3
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:09:49
November 20 2011 23:07 GMT
#754
edit: posted in wrong thread
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:09:46
November 20 2011 23:08 GMT
#755
EG Bans: TristTrist, Kasadin, Nasus
TSM Bans: Akali, Graves, Soraka

EG Picks: Zilean, Taric, Vayne, Rammy, RaidBossSinged
TSM Picks: Sona, Yorrick, Maokai, Ezrael, Ryze
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 20 2011 23:08 GMT
#756
On November 21 2011 08:06 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 08:03 Seiuchi wrote:
I fully disagree having played like 200 Skarner games, but I'm not going to mathcraft it.

What mathcraft is there even to do?

Unfinished Atmas does NO DAMAGE.

8 AD on 5 people vs. 23 AD on 1 person. 3 champions using the AD makes the Aegis AD worth more. Incidentally, there are 3 AD-based champions on Dignitas' team.

I haven't even brought in the CDR yet.


The 23 AD with repeated crystal slashes is probably going to add up to more damage than 8 to 3 people because of how much you can spam it, especially since GP had no AS.

Also the Lantern's going to help Skarner do more early game and gives him a chance at completely the Atmog's.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
November 20 2011 23:08 GMT
#757
What's with Xpecial not playing Alistar anymore?
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 20 2011 23:08 GMT
#758
watch out guys he plays skarner in solo q, super pro comin through
Brees on in
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 20 2011 23:09 GMT
#759
On November 21 2011 08:07 taLbuk wrote:
though naniwa's run is very impressive i can't help but think how much easier it must be on the mind to only have to win 4 series instead of 10 like nestea mvp and someone like leenock

i think regardless of how this ends mvp and leenock have the most impressive runs this tournament

Wrong thread
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 20 2011 23:09 GMT
#760
TSM: Akali, Graves, Soraka
EG: Tristana, Kassadin, Nasus

TSM: Sona, Yorick, Maokai, Ezreal, Ryze
EG: Zilean, Taric, Vayne, Rammus, Singed
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