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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 07:43 tobi9999 wrote: only saintvicious builds skarner dps He doesn't even do that in competitive games. The times I watched him play Skarner in CLG scrims, he always went Wriggles->full tank. He plays Wriggle's->Triforce on Skarner/Trundle/etc. in solo queue, but I've pretty much never seen him build that way in serious competitive games. You build DPS a lot of the time in solo queue because: 1) You can't reliably expect your lane carries to play team-fights correctly 2) You have to plan around getting fed and carrying the game and thus having extra gold to work with 3) You can aggressively take farm from your lanes knowing that you will probably use it better than they will These are poor assumptions to make in a competitive game, so you play/build completely differently. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 21 2011 07:43 tobi9999 wrote: lol@ all people thinking they know more about jungling than Jatt. if you put all the gold he had into that game into damage items, he would've have wriggles, triforce and merc treads at the end of the game. he would have died in less than 5 hits to tristana, wouldn't be able to take q's from karthus without having to heal. etcetc.... only saintvicious builds skarner dps OddOne in all him games of skarner (solo queue though) goes wriggles -> boots -> hog -> mercs -> shurelias -> aegis/randuins What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP. Look, I don't know as much about jungling in general as Jatt, but he doesn't play the character right. I've been playing Skarner since release and I've abused him far apart the elo I belong in. Even if they shouldn't have rushed Triforce, Skarner's worthless without adding some threat by adding at least Sheen. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 07:48 Seiuchi wrote: What I'm saying is Saint is the only one that builds Skarner right. And honestly, with Zil on the team, Wriggles/Triforce/Merc Skarner would be a better use of an ult than Triforce Ez and not really tanky or damaging GP. Saint probably would have spent the gold on Wriggles+Mogs+Mercs+Chainvest, tbh. He might even have still gotten Aegis. Again, he only builds DPS on a lot of these junglers in solo queue. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 21 2011 07:53 TheYango wrote: Saint probably would have spent the gold on Wriggles+Mogs+Mercs+Chainvest, tbh. He might even have still gotten Aegis. Again, he only builds DPS on a lot of these junglers in solo queue. At least Wriggles and the attempt at Atma's would have been better than full support. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 07:55 Seiuchi wrote: At least Wriggles and the attempt at Atma's would have been better than full support. The CDR from Shurelyas + the team-wide AD of Aegis was probably worth more damage than a Wriggle's and an unfinished Atma's would have been. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
skarner's use is mostly his ult, it would be much more beneficial to save ult for gangplank who is useful regardless of cooldown situation. he built relatively tanky compared to a triforce build, and he still died in the duration of sona stun. -_- note that they weren't even specifically focusing him this isn't soloqueue IF YOU BUILD DAMAGE YOU WILL BE FOCUSED, AND YOU WILL DIE FAST. don't build tanky on anyone that isn't ranged or isn't an assassin and you are completely useless. | ||
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rigwarl
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TheYango
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 21 2011 07:58 TheYango wrote: The CDR from Shurelyas + the team-wide AD of Aegis was probably worth more damage than a Wriggle's and an unfinished Atma's would have been. I fully disagree having played like 200 Skarner games, but I'm not going to mathcraft it. On November 21 2011 08:00 tobi9999 wrote: why the hell would zilean ult skarner skarner's use is mostly his ult, it would be much more beneficial to save ult for gangplank who is useful regardless of cooldown situation. he built relatively tanky compared to a triforce build, and he still died in the duration of sona stun. -_- note that they weren't even specifically focusing him this isn't soloqueue IF YOU BUILD DAMAGE YOU WILL BE FOCUSED, AND YOU WILL DIE FAST. don't build tanky on anyone that isn't ranged or isn't an assassin and you are completely useless. Skarner with some damage does more teamfight damage than pretty much any champion in the game with how Crystal Slash works. Have you ever played Skarner? | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 21 2011 08:03 rigwarl wrote: And again, the 2nd/3rd tankiest people on the team were RoA Zil and Bloodthirster GP. You want to build Skarner with practically no defense other than a measly amount of health and some MR too? Really? My question, is if everyone's saying WHY WOULD SKARNER BUILD DAMAGE HE NEEDS TANK TO LIVE why you aren't similarly railing on Voyboy for not rushing Warmog's like is standard, instead of rushing BT. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 21 2011 08:03 Seiuchi wrote: I fully disagree having played like 200 Skarner games, but I'm not going to mathcraft it. What mathcraft is there even to do? Unfinished Atmas does NO DAMAGE. 8 AD on 5 people vs. 23 AD on 1 person. 3 champions using the AD makes the Aegis AD worth more. Incidentally, there are 3 AD-based champions on Dignitas' team. I haven't even brought in the CDR yet. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
and the commentary is very solid <3 | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
TSM Bans: Akali, Graves, Soraka EG Picks: Zilean, Taric, Vayne, Rammy, RaidBossSinged TSM Picks: Sona, Yorrick, Maokai, Ezrael, Ryze | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 21 2011 08:06 TheYango wrote: What mathcraft is there even to do? Unfinished Atmas does NO DAMAGE. 8 AD on 5 people vs. 23 AD on 1 person. 3 champions using the AD makes the Aegis AD worth more. Incidentally, there are 3 AD-based champions on Dignitas' team. I haven't even brought in the CDR yet. The 23 AD with repeated crystal slashes is probably going to add up to more damage than 8 to 3 people because of how much you can spam it, especially since GP had no AS. Also the Lantern's going to help Skarner do more early game and gives him a chance at completely the Atmog's. | ||
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triangle
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 21 2011 08:07 taLbuk wrote: though naniwa's run is very impressive i can't help but think how much easier it must be on the mind to only have to win 4 series instead of 10 like nestea mvp and someone like leenock i think regardless of how this ends mvp and leenock have the most impressive runs this tournament Wrong thread  | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
EG: Tristana, Kassadin, Nasus TSM: Sona, Yorick, Maokai, Ezreal, Ryze EG: Zilean, Taric, Vayne, Rammus, Singed | ||
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