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United States37500 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:20 HyperionDreamer wrote:
They're restreaming fnatic vs. SK right now.... The lee sin pick in lane to go against brand was really really weird. Yeah, lee has some seriously boss sustain, but maxing W means you are sacrificing pretty much all of your midgame damage by neglecting Q and E.
I think Irelia would be a good counterpick to Brand, because the strong damage output of Brand will get held back by the fact that every time he tries to harass Irelia, she has a EW combo that can bring her back to even footing...
I don't know, this is just theorycraft. What does beat Brand these days?
For LS to win that lane, he's have to W dodge every Brand skill shot and land every Q. Otherwise he loses through attrition because of Brand's E.
Cass, Kass, Leblanc, Zilean off the top of my head. Still comes down to player skill in the end. But the four I listed can play footsie with Brand like a boss and have enough distance to dodge Brand's combo.
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What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense.
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On August 20 2011 11:27 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 10:26 dnastyx wrote:
But I think with Hotshot being able to play multiple champions now, CLG is looking really scary again. You can't ban all the champs that they want to play. This is pretty much how I feel right now - if you can successfully ban out ANY member of CLG, forcing them to either play a champion they're unskilled with or change roles, it's Elementz. Hotshot - Nidalee, Jax, Cho'gath, Galio, maybe Morde Saintvicious - Amumu, Nocturne, Alistar, Fiddlesticks, Gangplank Salce - Any viable AP, Salce = 2good Jiji (AD) - Ashe, Corki, Vayne, Caitlyn Elementz - Sona, Janna, Alistar <armchair commentator> He can probably also play Soraka, since she's super easy to not lose lane with right now, but honestly? I think with the right ban strategy, you could get rid of Nidalee and still force CLG into a worse bottom lane composition. Elementz is a good player, but he's practiced for support for the last forever, and even then you don't see him solo-queueing support the way you see other CLG members solo-queue their roles. He doesn't really have the role depth you'd ideally want on a player, and I don't think his other roles are on par with his opponents at Gamescom. With all that said, though, it might not be possible (or worth it) to actually ban Elementz out of his 'good' supports, because it would mean you'd likely be facing off against two of Nidalee, Orianna, Gangplank and Fiddlesticks. But I do think it's something to look for, even if it's just a third ban to force a disadvantaged bottom lane. Even then, you might be able to see Hotshot's sidelane Jax and Jiji do solo-lane Corki or something idk~ </armchair commentator>
If you ban out elementz they take soraka who anyone can play and force the other team to taric. Not sure if clg runs it but soraka+jax beats any taric+carry lane since taric will be constantly oom from the burst and sustain of soraka.
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On August 20 2011 11:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense.
Because Wickd has very odd ideas. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. His ideas in that game? They were just a little bit on the wrong side of working.
+ Show Spoiler +Thornmail vs 3x magic? really?
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On August 20 2011 11:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense.
Aegis and hexdrinker against double ap.
Thought you were talking about gp doing it.
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On August 20 2011 11:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense.
I think it's because you can build null-magic mantle into items that are both offensive and defensive, like hexdrinker and wit's end. Whereas negatron builds purely into defensive items.
I'm assuming you're referring to the Lee Sin play. In which case, he got 2 null-magic mantles so that one could build into mercs, and another into hexdrinker i believe.
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On August 20 2011 11:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'm assuming you're referring to the Lee Sin play. In which case, he got 2 null-magic mantles so that one could build into mercs, and another into hexdrinker.
But then he bought 2 more, which he turned into Spirit Visage and Aegis of the Legion. At some point during all that, he bought a thornmail, too.
On August 20 2011 11:31 bigjenk wrote:
If you ban out elementz they take soraka who anyone can play and force the other team to taric. Not sure if clg runs it but soraka+jax beats any taric+carry lane since taric will be constantly oom from the burst and sustain of soraka.
Yeah, Soraka/Jax is something to look for. It'd almost certainly be Hotshot on Jax, which would create a very interesting / 'vintage' game with Support+Bruiser bot, AP mid and AD top.
I'd like to see it played out, but I probably never will 
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United States37500 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense.
If it's the Mantles themselves we're talking about, it's not that big of a problem. I'd glad trade 60 gold for two levels of MR boost (meaning paying 400 twice getting MR each time rather than sitting until you have 740 and getting a Negatron in one go)
The problem is that Mantles don't really build into anything good. I'm still not sold on Hexdrinker. saint did go double Mantle on GP and made them into Hexdrinker and Aegis, so I guess that was ok since he planned that out.
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Saint also playing leesin strongly lately.
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United States37500 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0izcI.png)
Saw this on reddit, definitely made me smile.
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I think Hexdrinker is very strong against a triple-magic composition with periodic effects like that Amumu/Brand/Annie comp. If you're guaranteed to get that health out of it every fight because there's magic hitting you, it gets a lot stronger.
Dunno about it vs Bruiser/AP/Randomjungle, but vs 3x magic definitely. It's like the anti-magic version of buying Tabi.
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On August 20 2011 10:41 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 10:35 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 20 2011 08:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hotshot's "versatility" is playing one good game as Jax, if teams just ban cho and nidalee he will be the same as before. Jiji won't be playing any APs, no jungle worth banning every game. I'm hoping to see saintvicious yi or hotshot morde this tomorrow. Considering how the EU teams never countered Hotshot's farm fest play style Saint's Yi could do really well. They would have to last pick him though, I don't think a top level team would let an early Yi pick go unpunished. I don't really expect Mil to be a problem for CLG the way the games have been going. Mil looked unimpressive against Solomid and CLG recently stomped them. I... what? Yi?
Yi is saint vicious's best champion. However. Yi has a bug that stuns him if he loses sight of his target when alpha striking. As such, Saint has said he isn't playing Yi much. I doubt with a bug like that will be see him playing Yi in a tourney.
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On August 20 2011 11:41 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 10:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 20 2011 10:35 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 20 2011 08:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hotshot's "versatility" is playing one good game as Jax, if teams just ban cho and nidalee he will be the same as before. Jiji won't be playing any APs, no jungle worth banning every game. I'm hoping to see saintvicious yi or hotshot morde this tomorrow. Considering how the EU teams never countered Hotshot's farm fest play style Saint's Yi could do really well. They would have to last pick him though, I don't think a top level team would let an early Yi pick go unpunished. I don't really expect Mil to be a problem for CLG the way the games have been going. Mil looked unimpressive against Solomid and CLG recently stomped them. I... what? Yi? Yi is saint vicious's best champion. However. Yi has a bug that stuns him if he loses sight of his target when alpha striking. As such, Saint has said he isn't playing Yi much. I doubt with a bug like that will be see him playing Yi in a tourney.
I confirmed the bug and reported it to Riot npnp.
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On August 20 2011 11:35 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 11:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense. If it's the Mantles themselves we're talking about, it's not that big of a problem. I'd glad trade 60 gold for two levels of MR boost (meaning paying 400 twice getting MR each time rather than sitting until you have 740 and getting a Negatron in one go) The problem is that Mantles don't really build into anything good. I'm still not sold on Hexdrinker. saint did go double Mantle on GP and made them into Hexdrinker and Aegis, so I guess that was ok since he planned that out.
Hexdrinker is a real good item on Lee Sin for laning, especially against Brand like Wickd was. MR, the 300 shield if you're getting burst down, and the 30 AD is real good on Lee Sin cause his ratios are so boss.
Also, he bought both the null-magic mantles in one swoop, and after he had already bought mercs and hexdrinker. Wtf?
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On August 20 2011 11:42 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 11:41 Insanious wrote:On August 20 2011 10:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On August 20 2011 10:35 Jacobs Ladder wrote:On August 20 2011 08:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hotshot's "versatility" is playing one good game as Jax, if teams just ban cho and nidalee he will be the same as before. Jiji won't be playing any APs, no jungle worth banning every game. I'm hoping to see saintvicious yi or hotshot morde this tomorrow. Considering how the EU teams never countered Hotshot's farm fest play style Saint's Yi could do really well. They would have to last pick him though, I don't think a top level team would let an early Yi pick go unpunished. I don't really expect Mil to be a problem for CLG the way the games have been going. Mil looked unimpressive against Solomid and CLG recently stomped them. I... what? Yi? Yi is saint vicious's best champion. However. Yi has a bug that stuns him if he loses sight of his target when alpha striking. As such, Saint has said he isn't playing Yi much. I doubt with a bug like that will be see him playing Yi in a tourney. I confirmed the bug and reported it to Riot npnp.
riot best fix what moonbear reports.
moonbear king
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United States37500 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:45 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 11:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On August 20 2011 11:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:
What's with the null-magic mantle stacking? If you've got 800 gold for that, spend 740 and get a Negatron for the same amount of MR and 60 less gold.
Simply doesn't make sense. If it's the Mantles themselves we're talking about, it's not that big of a problem. I'd glad trade 60 gold for two levels of MR boost (meaning paying 400 twice getting MR each time rather than sitting until you have 740 and getting a Negatron in one go) The problem is that Mantles don't really build into anything good. I'm still not sold on Hexdrinker. saint did go double Mantle on GP and made them into Hexdrinker and Aegis, so I guess that was ok since he planned that out. Hexdrinker is a real good item on Lee Sin for laning, especially against Brand like Wickd was. MR, the 300 shield if you're getting burst down, and the 30 AD is real good on Lee Sin cause his ratios are so boss. Also, he bought both the null-magic mantles in one swoop, and after he had already bought mercs and hexdrinker. Wtf?
He ended up building one of those Mantles into a Visage at the end but regardless.
dat Wickd build... jebus. >_>
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From what i saw last 2 days, CLG will win this IEM. I know tough battles are ahead but imo they can win. Rooting for fnatic though. Maybe they can win both IEM and Estars. That would be awesome.
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Any place to watch the vods that is not the official page?
I'm doing overtime on saturday and I really want to watch the games on dead time.
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I'm annoyed, I still haven't gotten to watch the CLG vs SK or CLG vs Fnatic games.
Why did they run Kassadin? I'm assuming they did it to counter Orianna but Annie was available and Annie is probably one of the best answers to an Orianna.
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I also don't understand the kassadin pick and I don't really notice what in their picks was supposed to help vs cho'gath. Kass might be able to harass oriana okayis maybe, but I didn't feel it matched the rest of fnatic lineup.
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